what our pastors are even guilty of. Eldee, I respect u for this one!

Eldee is being clever by half.
Maids are not slaves.

A house help : Someone voluntarily offering a helping hand.
A slave: One forcefully compelled to do the "MASTERS/SLAVE OWNERS bidding .


What part of this don't you understand Mr Eldee?
I think say you graduate from Unilag. . . .
Brain dead clodpoles everywhere spewing fecal matter in desperate search of attention.
Baba graduate.

Xisnin:
Eldee is being clever by half.
Maids are not slaves.

He is simply being a dolt, and that's it!
Nothing clever about exhibiting stupidity of legendary magnitude.

Women will flee this thread....especially the very lazy ones that bring nothing to marriage besides sex!

monex:


It is slavery !

(1) you cant employ a child - child labor

(2) you don't pay the child the wages but instead pay someone else - human trafficking

all the child gets from you depends on your benevolence e.g. school, food, shelter etc.

employ an above 18 house maid and pay him/her for her services directly.

1.) You can't employ a child, that is why they are not being paid and the person
they stay with qualifies as a guardian. There is no owner since nobody was bought and sold.
2.) Since most maids are extended family members who are given out by their parents who
are usually in contact, it is not trafficking.
Remuneration don't have to be money. There are many under-18 apprentices who has to serve
their boss for some number of years before being "settled". They are not slaves.
For many of this category of people, it is their one shot to success in life.
3.) You were once dependent on someone's benevolence, that didn't make you an ex-slave
It is isn't labour laws or social laws that make slavery irritating but the slavery itself, after all,
there was a time when slavery was backed by laws.
By your logic, if you have ever bought a goods or service from a person under the age of 18,
you can be said to benefit from slavery.

Eldee has no point.
While it is wrong to subject maids to unfair treatments.
Maids don't qualify as slaves.

oyb:


Answer the question, can you subject your children to the same?

All you are doing is defending exploitation of the poor by the rich. Slave owners also believed they were doing slaves favours. Have you not read how some said that the slaves in the white house had it good?

You are not helping a child if you give him room board and a pittance in exchange for his /her servitude. You are callously exploiting the child's circumstances for your own convenience.

God bless u

Jubilancy:
I like to think of it as employment # tagging it as slavery is way over the top for me

it is slavery....those who work for you do they have their freedom,I mean school, get comfort a place where they sleep...


my employer if she open eyes for me I dey open eyes for am too...it is because i m using my intellect... now imagine some with no degree.

ivolt:
Eldee has no point.
While it is wrong to subject maids to unfair treatments.
Maids don't qualify as slaves.

they are slaves my friend if you don't give them what you give and do to children

LordIsaac:
Women will flee this thread....especially the very lazy ones that bring nothing to marriage besides sex!

correct man...you self d thing

phreakabit:
A house help : Someone voluntarily offering a helping hand.
A slave: One forcefully compelled to do the "MASTERS/SLAVE OWNERS bidding .


What part of this don't you understand Mr Eldee?
I think say you graduate from Unilag. . . .
Brain dead clodpoles everywhere spewing fecal matter in desperate search of attention.
Baba graduate.

the guy is right...haven't you see what is done to house help by their employer....or you do read news here...

Angy55:
100% true but it's better to be a slave in your homeland than be a slave in another man's land

now you are talking

oyb:


Answer the question, can you subject your children to the same?

All you are doing is defending exploitation of the poor by the rich. Slave owners also believed they were doing slaves favours. Have you not read how some said that the slaves in the white house had it good?

You are not helping a child if you give him room board and a pittance in exchange for his /her servitude. You are callously exploiting the child's circumstances for your own convenience.

I have showed you the obvious factors that lead to indectured servitude and and those factors don't apply to me or my children. You don't theoerize two parallel subjects and vilify the house help system when the circumstances surrounding both are unsimilar.
I don't understand what you are still ranting about.

Jubilancy:
I like to think of it as employment # tagging it as slavery is way over the top for me

Engaging a minor as domestic worker is child labour & it's a criminal offence madam & when you even deny her education and other necessities of life unlike your own children, is even worse. If you do this, you are simply nothing but a slave master!

Rubyventures:


I disagree, it doesn't matter where it happens there is nothing better about slavery.

Yeah, nothing good about slavery but the chances of escaping and getting freed are higher than when you are in a faraway land.

Fourwinds:
they are slaves my friend if you don't give them what you give and do to children

Check the meaning of slavery.

Let help push a campaign, So that our voice can be heard

monex:


It is slavery !

(1) you cant employ a child - child labor

(2) you don't pay the child the wages but instead pay someone else - human trafficking

all the child gets from you depends on your benevolence e.g. school, food, shelter etc.

employ an above 18 house maid and pay him/her for her services directly.

Sensible enough... I agree with this,

ivolt:


Check the meaning of slavery.

call a dog Wizkid....does that change what it is actually....words are just labels

Xisnin:


1.) You can't employ a child, that is why they are not being paid and the person
they stay with qualifies as a guardian. There is no owner since nobody was bought and sold.
2.) Since most maids are extended family members who are given out by their parents who
are usually in contact, it is not trafficking.
Remuneration don't have to be money. There are many under-18 apprentices who has to serve
their boss for some number of years before being "settled". They are not slaves.
For many of this category of people, it is their one shot to success in life.
3.) You were once dependent on someone's benevolence, that didn't make you an ex-slave
It is isn't labour laws or social laws that make slavery irritating but the slavery itself, after all,
there was a time when slavery was backed by laws.
By your logic, if you have ever bought a goods or service from a person under the age of 18,
you can be said to benefit from slavery.

i like your response. this is why religion never opposed slavery as a vice but rather focused on fundamental rights and dignity of a human.

However, this togo/benin trafficking thing is a bit different. it is not a case of a parent handing over their child to you as a guardian. In this, you pay for the services of the child so this is labour. You pay these monies to someone else (typically not related to the child but brought the child from togo) hence the exploitation by that person. Finally this chuld or the parents do not have a right to withdraw from this contract. The supposed guardian (who is a trafficker) forces the child to serve you. If you reject the child, they simply go serve someone else.

in the maid/external family member scenario, you auto become the guardian of that child.

the under-18 apprentices are not slaves since they are directly going to earn a reward. usually there is an unwritten contract with a fixed term/tenor. They can even ask to be settled midway into the contract. It however could be child labour depending on age limits for child labour.

You'll be surprised this doesn't happen exclusively in Libya....
It's common practice in many Arabic states to see the dark skinned tribes as inferior to them and the slavery and maltreatment no be here.....

A little googling and you'll see more than 10 countries where slavery is still shamelessly, openly and foolishly practiced.......
I for don cause serious trouble if I dey there, just a small plan of their strongholds and taking charge of it while you give them really tough surprise fightback would stop all these nonsense...

Fourwinds:
the guy is right...haven't you see what is done to house help by their employer....or you do read news here...

You are generalizing with that stereotypical statement?

phreakabit:

You are generalizing with that stereotypical statement?

it is not a generalization... go to crime section of nairaland you will see daily violence again housemaids... it is not new here...Oga Seun can bear witness

Rokia2:
In Walter White voice, you're Goddamn right!

^^^^kaiii..yansh yansh yansh yansh....see delicious eatable yansh!!!!!!!

Nigeria version of what's happening in Libya is in lekki. Those "idiots" under the guise of wealth humiliate humanity with the tag of "employment". You need to know what I'm saying.

Angy55:
100% true but it's better to be a slave in your homeland than be a slave in another man's land

It is better not to be a slave at all.

solasoulmusic:
Slaves are bought and sold one time but employment is paying wages monthly so please how is that similar I applaud him for fighting a brave fight but abeg please wetin concern employment and slavery ...have you seen a slave with a bank account exactly

Ure a big fool... If u don't understand his message just rot away...

Employing anyone below 18 years old especially a child is an abuse and can be tagged as slavery.
This is quite prevalent among your people who go to the village to bring small children to come and be working for you and I'm almost certain that you are currently engaged in such, little wonder you are trying hard to justify this evil act!

KemjikaEme:
Nothing can be compared to human slavery especially when it done by other races as a result of their prejudice against Black people.
It absolutely disgust me when people try to theorize Black Slavery and attempt to give it other definitions. What is happenning in Libya is Pure Slavery which is entirely different from House helps and Child Labour.
All countries in the world have house helps,assistants,nannies etc that either live with them or away from them.
Child labour is another evil that equally present in most countries around the world.


From time immemorial in Africa, children and adults are often employed to help around the house and take care of younger children and usually under the care of their gurdians.
Slavery on the other hand is the enslavement of human beings,the buying, selling and absolute ownership of human beings.
The Househelp is employed to work and is placed under the care of her gurdians, Slaves are owned by individuals and bound to their owners.
Africans should stop being stupid, slavery is not equivalent to employment of househelps!!
Slavery in Libya is incomparable to any sort of indectured servitude/house help.

Employing anyone below 18 years old especially a child is an abuse and can be tagged as slavery.
This is quite prevalent among your people who go to the village to bring small children to come and slave away for you while your own children have all the freedom and. Opportunities of growing and developing properly. I'm almost certain that you are currently engaged in such, little wonder you are trying hard to justify this evil act!

KemjikaEme:
Nothing can be compared to human slavery especially when it done by other races as a result of their prejudice against Black people.
It absolutely disgust me when people try to theorize Black Slavery and attempt to give it other definitions. What is happenning in Libya is Pure Slavery which is entirely different from House helps and Child Labour.
All countries in the world have house helps,assistants,nannies etc that either live with them or away from them.
Child labour is another evil that equally present in most countries around the world.


From time immemorial in Africa, children and adults are often employed to help around the house and take care of younger children and usually under the care of their gurdians.
Slavery on the other hand is the enslavement of human beings,the buying, selling and absolute ownership of human beings.
The Househelp is employed to work and is placed under the care of her gurdians, Slaves are owned by individuals and bound to their owners.
Africans should stop being stupid, slavery is not equivalent to employment of househelps!!
Slavery in Libya is incomparable to any sort of indectured servitude/house help.

Jubilancy:
I like to think of it as employment # tagging it as slavery is way over the top for me

. then try compare it with your own definition of slavery and see if there is any difference.

Jubilancy:
I like to think of it as employment # tagging it as slavery is way over the top for me

Sounds like you have one of them girls in your house? It's slavery dear.