Good job..... MuttleyLaff and plainbibletruth for holding these tithe yahoos to stand still with scripture.....

Goshen360:
Good job..... MuttleyLaff and plainbibletruth for holding these tithe yahoos to stand still with scripture.....

Thanks.
We'll just continue to pray that believers' understanding will be open to see their privileged position in Christ Jesus. That they'll come to see that their blessings from God is not because of "do's and don't's" they engage in but Christ.

Allta:
May I humbly add that those that tithe are supposed to eat their tithes, spend their tithe money alongside those who needs help most.

And for you guys who don’t agree with me, I beseech you tonstudy Deut 14 with patience.

You got it wrong . That’s a different 10%. It’s not the tithe given to God . Read

Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Allta:
May I humbly add that those that tithe are supposed to eat their tithes, spend their tithe money alongside those who needs help most.

And for you guys who don’t agree with me, I beseech you tonstudy Deut 14 with patience

petra1:
You got it wrong.
That’s a different 10%.
It’s not the tithe given to God. Read

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land,
whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's:
it is holy unto the Lord.

Petra1 read the bolded in your above referenced bible verse to see it is tithe given to God.

That tithe, which along with most other mandatory and obligatory tithes, is God's
and all the tenths are set apart for God
(i.e. it's holy unto the Owner or Lord)

God determined, how each tithes, which originally are His, are dispersed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8ycSJyh9U&t=1261s Daddy Freeze Selfish Hidden Agenda On Tithing

Osezua:
Daddy Freeze Selfish Hidden Agenda On Tithing

Rightly dividing the Word of Truth for the Christian, when it comes to tithing, should be: "where does the Bible say that Christian should pay tithe?"

Unfortunately NONE of the Pastors have been able to provide clear biblical reference for that WITHOUT HAVING to go back to Abraham or the Mosaic Law.

Can you provide clear biblical support for these your claims?:

1. Tithe can be paid as an act of faith, an act of worship, as a basis of prosperity, for protection, as acknowledgement of grace, or acknowledgement of the sovereignty of God.
2. You can come up with a personal rationale for tithing, like Jacob.

The Christian is not to live his spiritual life in a vacuum. It should be based on the objective truth of the Word and nothing else.

petra1:


The church doesn't have a new bible .

Tithe belongs to God period . They had the scripture . If they had any change they would have mentioned it. At least Paul spoke Against corcumcision .

What is the new law. What bible were they studying in the church . New law? Or Torah

What is there then?

Petra1, when you go back to pre-law or Mosaic Law to justify tithing, since you can't find anything supporting it in the EPISTLES, you are BELITTLING the work and position of Christ under the New Covenant.

When you REDUCE the importance of the EPISTLES by saying that the only Scripture we have is the Torah, then you MUST be holding on to ANOTHER GOSPEL.

But the good news about the New Covenant in Jesus Christ was preached by the Apostles. The New Covenant was NOT preached before the Mosaic Law or under the Law.

Details of the spiritual life under the New Covenant is found LARGELY in the EPISTLES. Mandatory Tithing is not given as part of the Christian's life under the New Covenant.

The New Covenant is not about outward conformity to the Law BUT always about the inner man. Therefore when a physical observance like tithing is given the prominence it has been given by modern churches then something is wrong.

petra1:


You got it wrong . That’s a different 10%. It’s not the tithe given to God . Read

Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Indulge me please....

So now there are different kinds of tithes...surely this is not totally accurate

10% as defined in OT is pretty clear to me, we should not try to use semantics to justify our understanding, or lack thereof a subject matter

Deut 14 is pretty clear on how to execute ‘tithing’, pls reread and come back to comment

Did our pastors tell us tithe is supposed to be an annual event? Not monthly? Did they mention how it should be observed the third year vs every other years? Deut 14: v22 vs v28

Allta:


Indulge me please....

So now there are different kinds of tithes...surely this is not totally accurate

10% as defined in OT is pretty clear to me, we should not try to use semantics to justify our understanding, or lack thereof a subject matter

Deut 14 is pretty clear on how to execute ‘tithing’,
pls reread and come back to comment

Did our pastors tell us tithe is supposed to be an annual event? Not monthly? Did they mention how it should be observed the third year vs every other years? Deut 14: v22 vs v28

SACRED TITHE TO GOD

Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

The sacred tithe to God was strictly to be managed by the priests for the sanctueary work and welfare for the levites and priests

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

God told the people to use another 10% for the poor every 3 years and another 10% for a feast .these have nothing to do with the sacred tithe to God .
THE 10% FOR FEAST
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

10% FOR THE POOR EVERY 3 YEARS

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

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SACRED TITHE TO GOD

Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

The sacred tithe to God was strictly to be managed by the priests for the sanctueary work and welfare for the levites and priests

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

God told the people to use another 10% for the poor every 3 years and another 10% for a feast .these have nothing to do with the sacred tithe to God .
THE 10% FOR FEAST
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

10% FOR THE POOR EVERY 3 YEARS

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.[/quote]

Petra1, Which of these types of tithing does today's tithers follow as directly specified? Or in a modified form?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYFkEh5bEXw

TITHING IS NOT A CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE
by Russell Earl Kelly, PHD

plainbibletruth:
TITHING: How Today's Christian Got it Wrong

1. There is NO WHERE in the Acts of the Apostles or the epistles that tithing is prescribed for the Christian.

2. Incidentally the CHURCH in Acts of the Apostle had a situation where some felt that Christians had to continue to follow all that is in the Mosaic Law. (Acts 15)

3. At the end of the day the Holy Spirit guided them to the conclusion that Christians are not to follow the Law.

4. Christians who INSIST on tithing or threaten others on tithing or even advocate monetary blessings for tithers ALL GO BACK TO THE OLD COVENANT to justify their positions.

5. Whilst they claim to be under the New Covenant it still seem more comfortable for them to run back to the old to determine how to live their NEW LIFE IN CHRIST.

6. TWO general positions by tithe advocates are: (1) Tithing based on the Law of Moses and (2) Tithing based on recording of tithing practice before the Law e.g. Abraham's incident with Melchizedek.

7. Interestingly the prescription for tithing under the Mosaic Law is very clear. It was ONLY AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE that were to be tithed.

8. When any pastor or person resort to the book of Malachi (particularly chapter 3) to justify tithing what such people fail to point out is that the TITHES refered to there is the ones prescribed by the Mosaic Law. So, such a person needs to show how and what EXACTLY the Mosaic Law prescribed as tithes. Malachi chapter 4 verse 4 clearly ask the same audience of book to remember the law of Moses.

9. For those who use Abraham's encounter with Melchizedek to justify tithing they need to see that that incident only showed what happened. There was no instructions to pay tithe as a result of what Abraham did. Abraham did many other things, including telling lies, but no one (I hope) will use those incidents as a RULE for Christian living today.

10. Besides, Abraham was neither compelled not cajoled to give. Secondly he gave out of SPOILS OF WAR not from his business. Honesty demands that this incident is really not a best example to give but since pro-tithers look for anywhere and anything that SUGGESTS tithing they run to it.

11. Other tithe advocates pick on the statement of Jesus in Mathew 23:23 - "“Woe to you, [self-righteous] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you give a tenth (tithe) of your mint and dill and cumin [focusing on minor matters], and have neglected the weightier [more important moral and spiritual] provisions of the Law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the [primary] things you ought to have done without neglecting the others."
MATTHEW 23:23 AMP

12. What Jesus was saying that the Pharisees tithed were ALL plant items, not money.

13. Tithes advocates looking at this verse CONVENIENTLY ignore the FACT that Jesus said there were other things that were WEIGHTIER.

14. They pick on the tithe aspect and BLOW it out of context and over and above everything else that Jesus was trying to point out.

15. No SINGLE Biblical instruction exists for tithes to be changed from AGRIC produce to money.

16. When the Bible said:
"For Christ is the end of the law [it leads to Him and its purpose is fulfilled in Him], for [granting] righteousness to everyone who believes [in Him as Savior]."
ROMANS 10:4 AMP
It meant EVERYTHING culminates in Christ.

17. How today's Christian is to give is clearly stated in scriptures:
"Let each one give [thoughtfully and with purpose] just as he has decided in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver [and delights in the one whose heart is in his gift]. 2 CORINTHIANS 9:7

18. When Christians are emotionally pressured to give, that amounts to human good and legalism contrary to the life of GRACE that is the plan of God for the Christian.

simple truth! but unfortunate that the truth will not be accepted! thank you for the strength of your defence! speak where the bible speaks and be silent where it's silent!

petra1:


SACRED TITHE TO GOD

Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

The sacred tithe to God was strictly to be managed by the priests for the sanctueary work and welfare for the levites and priests

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

God told the people to use another 10% for the poor every 3 years and another 10% for a feast .these have nothing to do with the sacred tithe to God .
THE 10% FOR FEAST
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

10% FOR THE POOR EVERY 3 YEARS

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

Dear friend, which Tithe is sacred and which is not sacred? Let’s not put a semantical spin on this. Tithe is Tithe, it is a mosaic law as commanded by God to Israelites.

Also, I have a question....have u ever paid Tithe to Levites before? Did you ever eat your Tithe everywhere and share Tithe with the needies and foreigners?

The only time money was referenced with Tithe was if your produce is so big that you can’t carry it to your choice of place to eat it.

There is never a place in the Bible where Christians were told to Tithe their church. 10% is too limiting of a giving principle for Christians. Rather, we were encouraged to generously give. Who cares if I choose to give 100% or 5% towards the work of God or help the needies? God loves a cheerful giver.

Christians are Givers, not Tithers!
Jews are Tithers, not Givers!!

Allta:

Dear friend, which Tithe is sacred and which is not sacred? Let’s not put a semantical spin on this. Tithe is Tithe, it is a mosaic law as commanded by God to Israelites.

Also, I have a question....have u ever paid Tithe to Levites before? Did you ever eat your Tithe everywhere and share Tithe with the needies and foreigners?

The only time money was referenced with Tithe was if your produce is so big that you can’t carry it to your choice of place to eat it.

There is never a place in the Bible where Christians were told to Tithe their church. 10% is too limiting of a giving principle for Christians. Rather, we were encouraged to generously give. Who cares if I choose to give 100% or 5% towards the work of God or help the needies? God loves a cheerful giver.

Christians are Givers, not Tithers!
Jews are Tithers, not Givers!!

Indeed!
The bolded is the summary of the matter.
The Christian is to be a giver. But he is not TIED to a specific type or way of giving such as TITHING.

Tithers are using what their high priest - Jesus - never considered as a "WEIGHTIER" matter to harass, threaten and even ridicule other believers. They are majoring in the minor. They have ignored GRACE in giving to God and turned to WORKS like the Pharisees.

plainbibletruth great post, Christians need to know the truth. Paul tried to prove that the Law has ended for us but he also tried to prove that the Law has been fulfilled in Christ. The Law is a shadow and the reality is Christ.

In the book of Hebrews he tried to prove how certain things in the Law now have there reality in Christ. I wrote a post that proves how tithe in the Old Testament is a shadow of a reality in Christ. In this post try to demonstrate the reality of tithe in Christ. I believe the reason why Christians cannot let go of tithing is because they haven't seen the reality, so they hold on to the shadows.

This is the link to the post that demonstrates the reality of tithe in Christ:
http://www.hiswordxray.com/2016/10/christ-is-tithe.html?m=1