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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 2:53pm On Dec 07, 2017
Joebie:
This reminds me of Cameroon at the WCQ. I like reading news like this..
I hope Argentina's coach also toes this same line of thinking.


That is not the Croatian national team coach though.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:53pm On Dec 07, 2017
tbaba1234:
I posted this earlier but i still find this story unbelievable.. Never heard a story like this before.. Stealing? You are in a position where several young Nigerian players hope to be and you are stealing from the team.

Two Championship footballers were today charged with burglary after items were allegedly stolen from a nightclub staff room, police said.

Southampton players Nathan Dyer, 20, and Bradley Wright-Phillips, 23, were charged following an incident at the Bar Bluu club in Southsea, Hants, on Feb 28.

Police were alerted after the pair were allegedly captured on CCTV entering an unlocked staff room at the club with a group of friends during the early hours of the morning.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2145283/Footballers-Bradley-Wright-Phillips-and-Nathan-Dyer-charged-with-burglary.html

It happened before. Back then when it happened, Bradley being a known City former player shouldered the weight of the negative publicity. Today, as I checked the news, I was shocked to see the second player was Dyer who played for Swansea.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by lexyman(m): 2:53pm On Dec 07, 2017
Icon4s:


Hmmmm...noted.

Iheanacho the "press" master you get work here. grin


the scoreline of our match against Croatia will be similar to the scoreline of France 98 ...Nigeria vs Spain 3;2
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 2:54pm On Dec 07, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Do not lecture me on grant. You can say maybe Nsofor had a poor attitude or something else. Not get into gear. When Nsofor was dropped, he was in full gear. I had a friend who used to laugh at West Ham during their losing spell when Nsofor was dropped.

Even Slimani who is the top forward of Algeria is Finding it hard getting playing time. Playing for the U21 shows a player ready to work hard despite not seeing sufficient games. It is also a Sign of Humility. I think in Manchester United, Victor Valdes did the same when he was not seeing games at Manchester United. We are talking of a multiple Champions League winning goal keeper and a keeper who won multiple League titles.
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:55pm On Dec 07, 2017
lexyman:



the scoreline of our match against Croatia will be similar to the scoreline of France 98 ...Nigeria vs Spain 3;2

Mba, I prefer the Nigeria vs Bulgaria, 1994 WC, kind of scoreline 3:0. wink

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:56pm On Dec 07, 2017
forgiveness:


Now, you are talking and I agree with you 100%. This is why we have to look a CF of both modern and traditional point man in our team.

Finito finally.

The number of traditional strikers will be Limited with more modern forwards taken most of the positions to allow fluidity of the formation.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 2:56pm On Dec 07, 2017
Kalapizim:
Even Chelsea's Batsuwayi played for the youth side yesterday, 24hrs after playing against Athletico Madrid on Tuesday. getting fit is the key.

You see.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 2:58pm On Dec 07, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Two Championship footballers were today charged with burglary after items were allegedly stolen from a nightclub staff room, police said.

Southampton players Nathan Dyer, 20, and Bradley Wright-Phillips, 23, were charged following an incident at the Bar Bluu club in Southsea, Hants, on Feb 28.

Police were alerted after the pair were allegedly captured on CCTV entering an unlocked staff room at the club with a group of friends during the early hours of the morning.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2145283/Footballers-Bradley-Wright-Phillips-and-Nathan-Dyer-charged-with-burglary.html

It happened before. Back then when it happened, Bradley being a known City former player shouldered the weight of the negative publicity. Today, as I checked the news, I was shocked to see the second player was Dyer who played for Swansea.

It is one thing to mess up at a night club. It is another to mess up at your place of work

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 2:58pm On Dec 07, 2017
goldfish80:


I had to lecture you on Avram Grant incase it escaped you he was the manager at West Ham at the time.
West Ham in that particular season were very poor. They were in a relegation fight from start of the season till the end. At the time, they had accomplished international players like Demba Ba, Diamanti, Carlton Cole and Beni Mccarthy. It was academic they will rotate the team especially with the circumstance surrounding them that season.

Nsofor was firing with all cylinders. His drop did not look as a case of rotation. It looked totally unfair, dropping one of their best performing players. Funny part is that the team tanked after such comical decision. If it was an English boy, Heads will roll.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 2:59pm On Dec 07, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Do not lecture me on grant. You can say maybe Nsofor had a poor attitude or something else. Not get into gear. When Nsofor was dropped, he was in full gear. I had a friend who used to laugh at West Ham during their losing spell when Nsofor was dropped.

Even Slimani who is the top forward of Algeria is Finding it hard getting playing time. Playing for the U21 shows a player ready to work hard despite not seeing sufficient games. It is also a Sign of Humility. I think in Manchester United, Victor Valdes did the same when he was not seeing games at Manchester United. We are talking of a multiple Champions League winning goal keeper and a keeper who won multiple League titles.

I had to lecture you on Avram Grant incase it escaped you he was the manager at West Ham at the time.
West Ham in that particular season were very poor. They were in a relegation fight from start of the season till the end. At the time, they had accomplished international players like Demba Ba, Diamanti, Carlton Cole and Beni Mccarthy. It was academic they will rotate the team especially with the circumstance surrounding them that season.

Slimani haven't leaved up to his reputation. Two seasons ago, he was one of the most sort after strikers in the world after scoring 30+goals for sporting Lisbon. I don't know his numbers with Leicester but I'm pretty sure he haven't scored up to 5 goals for the team. Its not a matter of bias or prejudice. He simply haven't performed.

Humility or no humility, Kelechi didn't make a good career decision staying back in England. A world cup striker shouldn't be playing at the U21 level.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:02pm On Dec 07, 2017
tbaba1234:


It is one thing to mess up at a night club. It is another to mess up at your place of work

For real. I hope he gets past this negativity and learns from it. I hope he starts with a public apology. Apologize to his team mates, manager and club. Then go out and do some charity work. Some community service and donate to charity. Become a symbol of change and he will be shocked at the effect of his gestures. When people see you are really sorry, it can touch their hearts to forgive.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 3:04pm On Dec 07, 2017
Icon4s:


I am looking at a 4-4-2 with 2 false 9s.

I am not so comfortable with that 3 back line. What do you think?
When we're defending or off possession, its 5-3-2. The two wingbacks join the defence to make it five defenders.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:05pm On Dec 07, 2017
goldfish80:


I had to lecture you on Avram Grant incase it escaped you he was the manager at West Ham at the time.
West Ham in that particular season were very poor. They were in a relegation fight from start of the season till the end. At the time, they had accomplished international players like Demba Ba, Diamanti, Carlton Cole and Beni Mccarthy. It was academic they will rotate the team especially with the circumstance surrounding them that season.

Slimani haven't leaved up to his reputation. Two seasons ago, he was one of the lost sort after strikers in the world after scoring 30+goals for sporting Lisbon. I don't know his numbers with Leicester but I'm pretty sure he haven't scored up to 5 goals for the team. Its not a matter of bias or prejudice. He simply haven't performed.

Humility or no humility, Kelechi didn't make a good career decision staying back in England. A world cup striker shouldn't be playing at the U21 level.

I do not think the debate is still about career decision. I also feel and before he left, hammered it was not the best move. It is not about how a man falls but how he Picks himself up. Nacho playing with the U21 is a good move that should be encouraged.

If the passport is the issue, he waits and gets it. The hunts for a club with a history of playing free flowing football and with a manager that shares the ideology. Then move on from there.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 3:06pm On Dec 07, 2017
Icon4s:


Does Alex Iwobi not play with the U21s once in a while?

Just a couple of years back Oxlade-Chamberlein and Walcott also featured for the Arsenal U21s even though they were already full members of the 3 Lions.

It is just a bid to keep them match fit.

I don't see any thing wrong with that

I dint know about Alex Iwobi playing for the arsenal U21's.

I don't know about Walcott's case in particular but I do know that an injured player is often made to play with the U21 for fitness. Wilshere this seasons started out at the U21's to regain match fitness. Immediately he got fit, he was drafted straight to the main team.

In essence, if a player is not injured but made to play with the U21's, it usually signals demotion.
Nobody should be happy about this situation.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon79(m): 3:07pm On Dec 07, 2017
Actually, I beg to differ. They are all very skillful and technical players but they are slow. I think we'll outrun them in the midfield. I like our chances in pitting Onazi, Ndidi, and Mikel against Rakitic, Kovacic, and Modric.


O pari

TheGoodJoe:
Kovacic, Modric and Rakitic is sure a deadly combination for us to face due to their intense work rate in the midfield. They might not offer the right defensive balance but their overall work rate is certainly a problem for us to face.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:13pm On Dec 07, 2017
MetalJigsaw:
When we're defending its 5-3-2. The two wingbacks join the defence to make it five defenders.

Watch that Argentina's second goal. The one Aguero scored. The LWB was completely in a no man's land when Pavon led that attack before crossing to Aguero. That is one of the demerits of the Wing Back play.
This kind of formation suits you when you score first and then you need to maintain the lead and then comfortably switch to 5 defenders formation.
That second goal came because we decided to push out to get an equalizer. You can easily find yourself 3 goals down within 45mins.

I still feel that formation will limit the team's full potentials. Wingers and Full backs would now be battling for 2 positions rather than 4 positions. Many of our wingers and Full backs will not make it to Russia then.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 3:13pm On Dec 07, 2017
junnyjake:


Truth be told.

None of those FBs would ever take Nigeria as their only option.

Ryan knows he won't get a place with the Eagles now, the midfield position is choked, which is why he says he'd like to concentrate more on his club.


How good is Ryan Sanusi?


Compared with Kelechi Nwakali



Questence.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:14pm On Dec 07, 2017
goldfish80:


I dint know about Alex Iwobi playing for the arsenal U21's.

I don't know about Walcott's case in particular but I do know that an injured player is often made to play with the U21 for fitness. Wilshere this seasons started out at the U21's to regain match fitness. Immediately he got fit, he was drafted straight to the main team.

In essence, if a player is not injured but made to play with the U21's, it usually signals demotion.
Nobody should be happy about this situation.

Likewise Iheanacho just recovering from Injury.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by MetalJigsaw(m): 3:15pm On Dec 07, 2017
Icon4s:


That Iwobi-Iheanacho with Mikel behind the duo front line against Argentina na killer o.

I think we need to switch to a 4-4-2 in one of our friendlies so we try that combo again. Omo! the fluency and efficiency of that attack too sweet. Iwobi and Iheanacho upfront with Mikel providing the passes. And V.Moses doing his own damage from one of the wings and Simon/Onyekuru doing the other.
Yeah! But what about the midfield? We'll need distinguished DMs and an AM in the midfield which is Mikel, Ndidi and Ogu/Onazi. Because 4-4-2 leaves just two midfielders.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 3:15pm On Dec 07, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


I do not think the debate is still about career decision. I also feel and before he left, hammered it was not the best move. It is not about how a man falls but how he Picks himself up. Nacho playing with the U21 is a good move that should be encouraged.

If the passport is the issue, he waits and gets it. The hunts for a club with a history of playing free flowing football and with a manager that shares the ideology. Then move on from there.

It is about career decision. Every serious international player considers the best move for him before making a decision especially in a world cup year. Why do you think Origi left Liverpool?
Decision to move just because of passport and not football is a very daft excuse to sign for Leicester
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Trudy12(f): 3:16pm On Dec 07, 2017
Icon4s:


That is one of the demerits of that 3-5-2 formation. It will not allow us to maximize our potentials.
But If we must play 3-5-2 and we have to bring in Victor Moses we line up like this:

............Moses..........Iheanacho

........................Iwobi
Idowu......Mikel.............Ndidi....Shehu

.......Balogun......Awaziem.......Ekong


I prefer Moses in the attack and not as Wing Back. He is our major attacking weapon.



i prefer the first formation.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 3:16pm On Dec 07, 2017
Icon4s:


Likewise Iheanacho just recovering from Injury.
Which injury was he recovering from? I thought he played against Argentina and Algeria?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon79(m): 3:17pm On Dec 07, 2017
Actually, this doesn't mean nada. Anybody can play with the youth side either because he's recovering from injury or because the coach needed you to try out a specific role. I will only get concerned if he keeps playing with the youth side.


O pari

goldfish80:
This can't be right. Never knew things have gotten this bad for Kelechi.
Under twenty what?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:31pm On Dec 07, 2017
MetalJigsaw:
Yeah! But what about the midfield? We'll need distinguished DMs and an AM in the midfield which is Mikel, Ndidi and Ogu/Onazi. Because 4-4-2 leaves just two midfielders.

One of the two false 9s joins the attack when on the offensive and also joins the midfield when chasing the ball. Iwobi can do that perfectly.
Just like switching between 4-5-1 and 4-4-2. Rohr played that formation in one of the games during the qualifiers. Recall the game against Zambia in Ndola. Iheanacho played that role.

It was like:

....Ideye....Iheanacho

...........Mikel


But for the Croatia game for now I would still recommend a traditional 4-5-1

I am only suggesting we try the 4-4-2 in any of our next friendlies. But if it can work a against France and England why cant it work against Croatia?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 3:34pm On Dec 07, 2017
Icon4s:


Watch that Argentina's second goal. The one Aguero scored. The LWB was completely in a no man's land when Pavon led that attack before crossing to Aguero. That is one of the demerits of the Wing Back play.
This kind of formation suits you when you score first and then you need to maintain the lead and then comfortably switch to 5 defenders formation.
That second goal came because we decided to push out to get an equalizer. You can easily find yourself 3 goals down within 45mins.

I still feel that formation will limit the team's full potentials. Wingers and Full backs would now be battling for 2 positions rather than 4 positions. Many of our wingers and Full backs will not make it to Russia then.
What about Chelsea who won the league and are currently doing well with the three back line formation?

With that formation, it will be very difficult for Nigeria to concede in the first place. Nigeria conceded the first goal because of the mistake from the goalkeeper that resulted to that freekick, so we can say that Argentina may not have even scored in that game. Chelsea conceded few goals with the three back line last season, we have Iwodu who you even said it yourself that he recovers in time to join the defense as a wing back, and also Shehu/Ebuehi doing okay. So as for me, the 3-5-2 formation is a formation that should be used against teams like Croatia and Argentina for now, if it proves to be better in the coming friendlies. A five man defence (wing backs inclusive) may be necessary to thwart the attacking threats of those star studded teams.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:34pm On Dec 07, 2017
goldfish80:

Which injury was he recovering from? I thought he played against Argentina and Algeria?

He was not listed for the first EPL game on return from the international break. Forgotten who they played.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:35pm On Dec 07, 2017
Icon79:
Actually, I beg to differ. They are all very skillful and technical players but they are slow. I think we'll outrun them in the midfield. I like our chances in pitting Onazi, Ndidi, and Mikel against Rakitic, Kovacic, and Modric.


O pari


I think the Croatians have a faster midfield trio than us. Ndidi and Modric are about the same in respect to speed. Kovacic is faster than Onazi. Rakitic is faster than Mikel Obi. Coupled with the technical abilities in passing, shooting and Dribbling, makes the Croatians a better combo.

However, with effective strategy and tactics, we can match them.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon79(m): 3:36pm On Dec 07, 2017
Nna, I don taya for that argument sef. Anyone who watched those series of games and concluded that Victor Obinna Nsofor wasn't playing well needs to have his head examined (no offence). He was simply their best player ... to the extent that even the usually biased British commentators were singing his praises during every game.



O pari

TheGoodJoe:


Nsofor was firing with all cylinders. His drop did not look as a case of rotation. It looked totally unfair, dropping one of their best performing players. Funny part is that the team tanked after such comical decision. If it was an English boy, Heads will roll.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:37pm On Dec 07, 2017
blueto:
What about Chelsea who won the league and are currently doing well with the three back line formation?

With that formation, it will be very difficult for Nigeria to concede in the first place. Nigeria conceded the first goal because of the mistake from the goalkeeper that resulted to that freekick, so we can say that Argentina may not have even scored in that game. Chelsea conceded few goals with the three back line last season, we have Iwodu who you even said it yourself that he is recovers in time to join the defense as a wing back, and also Shehu/Ebuehi doing okay. So as for me, the 3-5-2 formation is a formation that should be used against teams like Croatia and Argentina for now, if it proves to be better in the coming friendlies. A five man defence (wing backs inclusive) may be necessary to thwart the attacking threats of those star studded teams.

Keep in mind, Conte has to drill the team almost every week. So it is easier to organize their play. Keep in mind also the vast options of quality players.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 3:37pm On Dec 07, 2017
blueto:
What about Chelsea who won the league and are currently doing well with the three back line formation?

With that formation, it will be very difficult for Nigeria to concede in the first place. Nigeria conceded the first goal because of the mistake from the goalkeeper that resulted to that freekick, so we can say that Argentina may not have even scored in that game. Chelsea conceded few goals with the three back line last season, we have Iwodu who you even said it yourself that he is recovers in time to join the defense as a wing back, and also Shehu/Ebuehi doing okay. So as for me, the 3-5-2 formation is a formation that should be used against teams like Croatia and Argentina for now, if it proves to be better in the coming friendlies. A five man defence (wing backs inclusive) may be necessary to thwart the attacking threats of those star studded teams.

How did Chelsea fair in their first few games of trying that formation?

It took a run of games.

For the world cup. If you try it with 2 games and it fails, you are out. No second chance. It is very dicey.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon79(m): 3:39pm On Dec 07, 2017
Wow! I must be watching a different game all these while. Modric as fast as Ndidi? Kovacic faster than Onazi??

Anyway, this is one of those arguments that we would get you nowhere, so I am not even gonna try. When we play then in June then we shall see.


O pari

TheGoodJoe:


I think the Croatians have a faster midfield trio than us. Ndidi and Modric are about the same in respect to speed. Kovacic is faster than Onazi. Rakitic is faster than Mikel Obi. Coupled with the technical abilities in passing, shooting and Dribbling, makes the Croatians a better combo.

However, with effective strategy and tactics, we can match.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 3:40pm On Dec 07, 2017
Questence:



How good is Ryan Sanusi?


Compared with Kelechi Nwakali



Questence.


Well K. Nwakali hasn't really been seeing games this season. He's got one goal so far, He's played from the wings some of the time at his new club which is not his favorite position. His style could be likened to that of Mikel.


Ryan Sanusi, Is a solid DMF/CMF, his style of play is a bit similar to Moussa Dembele his cousin at Tottenham. He's also got an eye for goals too. He's more experienced than Kelechi.

At the moment I'd rate Sanusi higher.

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