danvon:
No wonder your a Jehovah witness you guys don't dare read the king James Bible the only verse correct is the one about job, Exodus 4:19 "And the lord said unto moses in midian Go return into Egypt for all the men are dead which sought thy life" Genesis 1:24 "And God said let the earth bring forth living creature after his kind,cattle and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after it's kind: and it was so" Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto higher powers. You guys and your fake Bibles we have a soul which is different from your body Isaiah 10:18 "And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as standard-beareth fainteth" psalm 16:10 "For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy one to see corruption"

lovingJehovah:
Jehovah's witnesses read many Bible translations including the KJV. It is not good to malign others, bro. Making blasphemous comments about others to make them vicious before the eyes of others is not a good thing to do for any Christian. The Bible does not encourage that. But, since you said that we do not read the KJV, let us see if you read it at all. Genesis 2:7 in the KJV is in perfect agreement with Jehovah's Witnesses belief of the soul. Below are two different KJV editions to your delight.

Genesis 2:7
King James Bible
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

King James 2000 Bible
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Now, will you tender a public apology to the Jehovah's witnesses for blasphemy?

danvon:
Does that mean that soul is the same as the body the words living/ soul/ simply differentiates it , should have just used alive,

danvon:
anyway I don't owe you guys any apology I made no insult,

danvon:
you guys don't believe Jesus is the Savior,

danvon:
the existence of hell,

danvon:
the blessed Trinity

danvon:
you actually believe in second chances (reincarnation)

danvon:
sometimes I wonder why you guys carry Bibles you clearly don't believe anything there,

danvon:
till I realized you never carry the King James Bible

Scholar8200:
And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Luke 12:4,5

Scholar8200:
in two clear verses, two JW doctrines (hell=grave {if hell=grave, why is being cast therein a Judgement executed? were all the worthies of the OT so judged then? } and immortality of the soul are found wanting!)
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
and they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Revelations 6:9,10
Explain the highlighted in the light of your claims.

lovingJehovah:

Ezekiel 18:4 Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so also the soul of the son—to me they belong. The soul who sins is the one who will die.
Jehovah alone has the final decision to bring one back to life or forget about him. For example, Lazarus and Jairus daughter were raised up. They came back with refreshed bodies, especially Lazarus who was in his third phase of decomposition. They were resurrected to become living souls again. A living soul is a person who is living or a living creature as most Bible translations would use it. Consider 1 Peter 3:20 "... eight souls, were carried safely through the water." That was talking about Noah and his family after surviving the flood. They were referred to as souls just as Adam was referred to as a living soul at creation.

The Bible tells us that the dead are in the memory of God Revelation 3:5; Isaiah 26:14.

The book of Revelation is a vision of what is to happen. It does not mean that people are literally crying because the Bible says that the dead are conscious of nothing at all.

God has all righteous ones in his memory and he will avenge their deaths at a set date. The sense of depicting the soul as a spirit that leaves the body wearing a designer's outfit and able to inflict pain on humans is a hoax. Psalm 146:4 His spirit goes out, he(the sinning SOUL that died) returns to the ground;
On that very day his thoughts perish.

There is no separate mention of God creating the soul distinctively. He created man, blew in the breadth of life and he became a living soul. The adjective 'living' used before the word 'soul' gives a good explanation. Ezekiel 18:20 The soul dies and at death, Man knows nothing at all Ecclesiastes 9:5.

Ecclesiastes 3:5 for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. 20 All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust

danvon:
No blessed Trinity isn't found but what other name do you give three persons one God

danvon:
"For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead" (Romans 1:20).

danvon:
The word Godhead implies Trinity, “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” (I John 5:7).

danvon:
Colossians 2:9For in [Christ] dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all" (II Corinthians 13:14)

danvon:
, you believe in hell then your not a Jehovah witness your topic itself denies the existence of hell, you believe in second chances which is the same as reincarnation here's a Jehovah witness tract about hell https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/who-goes-to-hell/#?insight or check out this https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/what-is-hell/#?insight

danvon:
Jehovah witness are just brainwashed complete waste of time talking to them

Scholar8200:

You did nothing about the passage you re-quoted:
And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Luke 12:4,5
Why did Jesus describe being cast into hell as a higher level of judgement and why did He differentiate between death (by killing) and death(by being cast into hell).
Explain this in the light of your claim.

In No place in the Scripture is Book of Life = God's Memory. Let's not digress though.

Problem is when ,in trying to defend your doctrine, you accuse God of being deceptive! Why will He use such if He meant something else? Again let's not digress.

His thoughts is not his soul! By the way regarding the highlighted, where did anyone make that claim? Methinks it will be right to say that to whoever said so.


Ecclesiastes you quoted here speaks in the sense of , "dust thou art" since animals too are dust. And spirit used here refers to breath. But then kindly explain this:
And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Luke 12:4,5
What makes God's own more grievous that Jesus said to fear Him if all that can be done by God is killing the body?

danvon:
What point that your completely off point? You guys are brainwashed that's the truth plain and simple dialogue requires honesty

lovingJehovah:
Let me ask you one question, we have read the story of creation and Jesus has come and gone. We have the Bible as our authority and we seek answers in it.
Can you kiindly explain to me using your Bible, when soul was created and who created it?

lovingJehovah:
Let me ask you one question, we have read the story of creation and Jesus has come and gone. We have the Bible as our authority and we seek answers in it.
Can you kindly explain to me using your Bible, when soul was created and who created it?

Scholar8200:


And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Luke 12:4,5
What makes God's own more grievous that Jesus said to fear Him if all that can be done by God is killing the body?

danvon:
Genesis 2:7 God formed man, and breathe into nostrils the breathe of life and man became a living soul, God formed man if soul doesn't exist why wasn't he immediately alive

Scholar8200:
Thank you, why didnt God have to do same for the animals?

danvon:
He made man in his own image, Body soul spirit I don't believe this you actually compared human with animals

Scholar8200:
You are getting me wrong.

danvon:
Genesis 2:7 God formed man, and breathe into nostrils the breathe of life and man became a living soul, God formed man if soul doesn't exist why wasn't he immediately alive

danvon:
Sorry thought u were that Jehovah witness up there

lovingJehovah:
The adjective there is the answer. He became a LIVING soul. You just quoted Genesis 2:7 and you did not see the breath of LIFE? The breath of LIFE made him a LIVING soul. The Bible says that the soul that sins will die Ezekiel 18:20.
Does the soul commit a sin separately from the body for it to warrant the sentence of the Body that dies? When Adam sinned, a part of his punishments was death, so was it his soul that sinned? If the soul is separate from the body, what sin does it commit that would cause it to partake in the punishment of the body?
Does the soul have a brain to think or hear? Where does the soul go after death? Show me in the Bible. The Bible clearly spoke about the spirit (which is the breath of life) returning to God but what about the soul?
Kindly tell me, when was the soul created and by who?

danvon:
The "die" refers to "hell"

lovingJehovah:
Your hands must be sweating badly for you to be the missing target. Just relax, it is not a battle. We are all here to study the Bible. No one is here to win a medal.

danvon:
oh it's a battle my friend you insulting the word of God it's like a gunshot

lovingJehovah:
I will repost my previous comment because my questions were not answered.

Does the soul commit a sin separately from the body for it to warrant the sentence of the Body that dies? When Adam sinned, a part of his punishments was death, so was it his soul that sinned? If the soul is separate from the body, what sin does it commit that would cause it to partake in the punishment of the body?
Does the soul have a brain to think or hear? Where does the soul go after death? Show me in the Bible. The Bible clearly spoke about the spirit (which is the breath of life) returning to God but what about the soul?
Kindly tell me, when was the soul created and by who?

danvon:
Not accepting Jesus as your lord and Savior is the sin, the sin of unbelief the Bible says we are all born sinners Romans (5:8, 6:23) revelation21:8 Ephesians 2:8,9your body sins separately from the soul
God created the soul
Acts2:27 "Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer my soul to see corruption"

lovingJehovah:
The Bible clearly spoke about the spirit (which is the breath of life) returning to God but what about the soul?

lovingJehovah:
I will suspend my response because I really need you to answer this question. When was the soul created and by who? Show me from the Bible