CityJoe:


Scored in both legs, does not mean he was explosive. Keep in mind, there were attributes I was looking for to see if Mbappe was special. In that game, he failed to tick them. Today, the attributes I look for are far different because of growing in understanding.

That was why I wanted to read my stance then. It does not change.

So, attacking because someone proved his point, means you want to hold a rigid stance to an opinion even if you did not understand it.

Not me. I am eager to keep learning. I like to learn and get a deeper understanding of the game. I watch Gabriel Jesus and point to people where Iheanacho needs to adapt his game to meet the requirements Guardiola wanted from him.

blueto:
Iwobi have been playing better for Nigeria than for Arsenal, and sometimes he plays for Nigeria it seems that he is underutilized at Arsenal. The freedom he enjoys from playing SE games and also the love and support from Nigeria fans have made it more comfortable for him to deliver his best. Unlike in Arsenal where he is too careful not to make a mistake on the field of play, and thereby not doing so great. [/b]Freedom is what actually “frees” people to live to their best.[/b]

As it stands now, Iwobi should be starting games for the SE.

goldfish80:


So now you subtly admit you were arguing against Mbappe from the position of ignorance.
Sometimes, I wonder how you manage to keep a straight face and write some Fonthill things you write.

goldfish80:


He was absolutely explosive in the game against City. As a matter of fact, he got worldwide recognition on the back of the City performance.

krattoss:
almost all the formations and analysis been portrayed here are nothing but mere fantasy from the person portraying it as its not even near what the manager thinks or what's currently on board... just like some people here realising their own worldcup list and preferable line up. ..isn't that fantasy and speculation. .
At the end of the day, @ the coach does what he likes and feel is good...
Everybody been forming pundit
Its actually fun thoor but its no different from beer parlour talk and draggings @ viewing centres and all that...
The truth is.....NONE OF THESE OPINIONS MATTER AS IT SOLELY ENDS HERE

goldfish80:

elyte89:




Boss,take it or leave it,moses influence on d pitch against Cameroon home and away made us to cart away four points from d Cameroonians, if not for him


I doubt if we would av qualified,cos it was those two matches DT sealed our qualification


Yes he has more "freedom" in eagles Jersey Dan Chelsea...maybe u re now cin d "freedom" as a negativity, I don't knw and beside.. Same tin for iwobi,he plays with freedom when playing for eagles Dan arsenal,though d latter doesn't hold on much to d ball Dan former. Having said dt,generally moses style for eagles hasnt affected d team negatively


Not DT if he had played a one touch football for eagles we would av won with a wider margin or played better,all in all,victory is what matter most.

goldfish80:

blueto:
You are right but that is why the next sentence says “sometimes” in the post.

Has he been able to replicate the form against Zambia and Argentina in Arsenal? Wenger demands goals from him when he scores for Nigeria, I think that is not the best. He may not be the guy that performs best with too much pressure on him.

Humility017:

oga please let us play ebuehi there abeg...
the guy played better in the last friendly....

afterall the formation is not new to him....i think he sometimes play in similar role for his club....

Mujtahida:

It's quite obvious that Ebuehi played better as wingback than Shehu but still we have to stick to Shehu but why is nobody saying we should continue to use Aina as LWB . Is it fear or what or the believe that Ebuehi is too green for such responsibility?I guess it has to do with the fact that Ebuehi is a 'boy' and Shehu is a 'man'. Yet that boy played well against Di Maria who has always been a handful against us. The only thing I noticed is that Ebuehi was allowing crosses to come through from his wing.

kennysville:


Systematically!!!..... Imagine, the guy cant even trap ball well anymore. Ball control that is as basic to almost everyone that kicks anything in Naija. Even Grass tackling him out of the blues so tey him go fall before ball reach am. I no go forgive Pep lailai. If e like make e win champions league, fa cup and EPL join for the next 20 seasons.

Listen Iheanacho, I dey with you gidigba. Look to God almighty. Bible says he is the confidence of all the ends of the earth. You can do it. Just believe!!! O pari, finito, C'est fini.... i for add spanish join am but ehn.... e get as e be!

CityJoe:


Tell me the key attribute of Mbappe that makes Guardiola prefer him over Iheanacho.

goldfish80:


Let's not derail the thread with this discussion. I believe I've made my point.
Although I must say Mbappe scored in both legs to bundle Man city out of the Champions league.

CityJoe:


Childish jibe. I have repeated my point over and over again. Kelechi Iheanacho is one of the most lethal finishers around. What Mbappe and co. have ahead of him is more all round play. It took me time to decode it, I am willing to learn. Now I get it. I keep studying Gabriel Jesus to understand what Guardiola wants.

As for the finishing, I rate Iheanacho ahead of them but I want Nacho to work hard to add more to his game.

Joebie:
Yes he's had a higher goals per minutes ratio for Nigeria. But that does not tell the whole story.
Before that Zambia game, didn't we think he performed better for Arsenal?

Modified
I refuse to rate him on Wenger's terms.

peterd53:


His dribbles, positioning

Icon4s:


It is because they have been playing against European teams who also play organized football.

I saw their coach the other day making mouth that they can beat us because we are not organized. I just laughed.

Let them face us first and we will disorganize them with our unpredictable style of play.

Our team is unpredictable. That is a major strength. Some opponents see us as a team which likes to build attack slowly while some say we are quick in building attack.

Go look at all our WC qualifiers we approached each game almost differently.

The versatility of our players did not help matters for our opponents. As you are planning to stop Iwobi from doing damage from the wings, he starts from a more central position. As you are planning to stop Etebo from the CMF he starts from the AMF position. Moses can initiate attacks from both the left , Right and centre. Maybe that is why the Icelanders see us a not organized meanwhile that versatility is our strength.

Argentina are still Wondering how we managed to beat them in that friendly.

peterd53:


His dribbles, positioning

Humility017:

Lol....just that ebuehi was more lively against Argentina...and he brought more urgency to our attack....
It seems the dude is good wit his passes and crosses too....

had mikel lay off that ball to him...I bet it would have resorted in something catastrophic....I mean against Argentina.

peterd53:


His dribbles, positioning

Mujtahida:
This has to do more with perception formed on the basis of his past. Presently he is not selfish as such

.
How did he score the first goal against Algeria? He dribbled his way into the box, passed the ball to Iheanacho but it struck a defender and came back to him. There wasn't any clear situation where one could have said 'ohhhhhh if only Vicmo had passed the ball we would have scored. Against Cameroon in Nigeria he powered two of our goals. Mikel freed him from deep in our half, he ran with the ball. Mind you there was nobody to pass the ball to because we were on a counter except Simon Moses. He passed to Simon at the right time. Simon squared for him and he scored.
In a counter, an attacker needs to run with the ball because most times its just him and another attacker who push the counter. I bet Vicmo did better than both Iwobi Iheanacho on the counter. Once Iwobi would have freed Iheanacho but he failed. Twice Iheanacho would have freed Iwobi but he failed. How come Vicmo released the ball for Iheanacho against Algeria, how come he released the ball to Simon against Cameroon?

There wasn't any such golden chance Vicmo denied Ighalo against Cameroon. Have you forgotten how he passed the ball to Ighalo twice against Zambia? I do not agree that he's been selfish so far at least not the way you guys make it look. As in to me it's exaggerated. And I trust you realise that of all our attackers Vicmo is the most defensively disciplined.

tbaba1234:


Onazi dropped form How??

Onazi was easily one of Nigeria's best players in the game against Cameroon.

Mujtahida:

Catastrophic: that is what we should be doing to teams. Visiting them with chaos and leaving them in catastrophy

forgiveness:


All you said is true. However, if Vicmo was not selfish in the second leg against Cameroon, we could have won with the match.

There was a particular moment out of few I can remember vividly he was supposed to pass rather than shot.

That particular moment was when he choosed to shot the ball in the box instead of passing the ball to Echiejile who was totally unmarked on the left side in the box.


I was personally pissed off with that his move. It is for this reason i want Echiejile in the WC squad because I noticed he sometimes sneaked into scoring position but he doesn't get the pass at the right time.

elyte89:



Am still saying it,instead of dropping etebo for Joel,I would rada substitute a slot to accommodate d two

Or better still,ogu won't go ,


Etebo on his gud day, its better Dan any midfielder asyde Mikel(DT Algeria home match is an example,so versatile



BTW,AGU STILL dey too na,d guy fit go,cos rohr like d guy.

Icon4s:


If Rohr should line up a 4 defenders set up, would u rather he starts Ebuehi or Shehu at RB?

CityJoe:


cc: goldfish80
Before you even started digging post, I clearly stated it here.

So, what is the key attribute that makes Guardiola rate Gabriel Jesus and Mbappe over Iheanacho?

goldfish80:

You were quick to judge when you had little information. Be rest assured I will keep beating you with the "Kelechi better than Mbappe stick" at my convince.

Taliban:


In my own humble assessment, we shouldn't take more than a maximum of 8 defenders as one our midfielders can comfortably play as a centre-back (Ndidi). Considering all the names we have, I would say baring injuries or loss of form, the names Forgiveness has put forward are almost sure-bets. Echiejile is I believe the only true LB, the others are kind of jack of all trades, versatile players. I would also pick Omeruo ahead of Agbo because he showed us against Argentina that he hasn't actually lost it and if we play like we did against the Argies, we would need a reliable back up for the three CBs. Unhappy as I am typing this, I think one of Shehu, Ebuhei, Aina or Idowu would have to be dropped. I would be shocked if it's Shehu so the axe is in Rohr's hand and he can swing it as he deems fit.

My list of 8 defenders would be
Ekong
Leon
Awaziem
Shehu
Echejile
Omeruo
Ebuhei
Idowu/Aina

I will say we need to see more of Idowu before we can actually say he's the best since sliced bread. Judging by Aina's first game, he wowed us all and then in the 2nd and 3rd we started seeing his weaknesses. Who knows what will happen to Tyronne and Idowu in their next games too.

CityJoe:


Straight face how. Unless you feel you are all knowing and you do not learn as time goes on. I was totally wrong on Mbappe. My stance has changed totally. There is nothing like keeping a straight face. I keep learning.

I can say, I watch David Silva intently to decipher why Guardiola feels he is an unbelievable genius. I have not seen what Guardiola is looking for and will keep looking.

Even in all those arguments in the past, no one hit why Mbappe is special. It is not just about goals that people were talking. It took me time to decipher it. Not from even watching Mbappe but Gabriel Jesus. Now I want to watch Mbappe games to see more of what I have deciphered.

I learn. That is why I can feel glad seeing my shift/growth in understanding. Not ignorance.

You are the one who is suicidal when you are wrong. Not me. I am glad when I learn something new.