Beckino:
I love this question. Oya come and defend your ''perfect'' God!

chemystery:
Christians, without sentiment or fear of going to hell, let's look at god's actions as recorded in the bible, and how they yielded a positive result at the end.

Action:
God destroyed the entire world with flood to usher in a sinless generation

Result:
The world still got populated with even more sinners as compared to the time of Noah.


Action:
God instructed the killing of idol worshippers so that he will be the only god worshipped by humanity

Result:
Over 4,000 gods are worshipped by humanity today


Action:
God sent his son to pay the price for the sins of the world

Result:
Those who don't believe, or those not born into the religion that believe will have to pay for their own sins in hell

Why does god take actions if such actions will not yield a positive result at the end?
Sometimes these actions involve killing of innocent babies as well as ripping open pregnant women and killing unborn babies. This is more reason god should have ensure all his actions yields something positive, otherwise, all the killings were just done in vain.

hisgrace090:
God gives man freedom to decide what to do, but advice him to do good for his own good

Det,30:19

He is a truthful God because he that some will default and promise to punish them accordingly.

Despite the huge fight against crime in the world today, crime continues. But that will not permit one to say that world effort in crime fighting is yielding negative result.

hisgrace090:
God gives man freedom to decide what to do, but advice him to do good for his own good

Det,30:19

He is a truthful God because he that some will default and promise to punish them accordingly.

Despite the huge fight against crime in the world today, crime continues. But that will not permit one to say that world effort in crime fighting is yielding negative result.

Zither:


Oga, whatever God does has already been planned even before He created the world. Since you don't know the past or the future of the world it is ignorance that makes you question His ways.

In 2 Timothy 1:9, the Apostle Paul wrote, "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began"

In Jeremiah 1:5, God told the prophet, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; and before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you, and I ordained you a prophet unto the nations."

If God already knew everyone of us before we were conceived, and even before time began, then you should know that His actions have greater purpose and impact than what your imagination can understand.

Besides, the Bible did not say God destroyed the world to usher in a sinless generation... Really? Even after the death of Jesus Christ the world is still not sinless let alone the time before He came which is thousands of years in distance.

God instructed the killing of Idol worshippers so that He would be the only God worshipped today.... Again, really?
Do you know that putting anything before God is idolatry? You don't necessarily have to carve an image and bow to it to term it idolatry. Why didn't God kill such people? gods carved with wood or stone or myth does not change the fact that there is no god besides God.

Maybe you have pretended to be ignorant on the fact that there are many converts to different religions everyday: Muslims to Christians, Christians to Muslims, Christians to Judaism, Buddhists to Muslims or Christians...and the list goes on. Everyone has heard about Jesus the Son of God whether you were born into Christianity or not.....speaking about our computer age time. It is up to you to accept Him or reject Him - your choice but you can never claim ignorance of Him.

God never fails because He is the One who wields success and failure.... He sees and knows what you can never see or know

plaetton:

If everything, from the beginning of the universe to the end has been meticulously planned by God, then kindly tell us the purpose of Religion, faith, worship and prayers .

You should agree with me then that Religion , faith ,worship and prayers are a total waste of time, perhaps even irritating to God, redundant and superfluous, and of course , a big scam.
Do you agree ?

Zither:


Oga, whatever God does has already been planned even before He created the world. Since you don't know the past or the future of the world it is ignorance that makes you question His ways.

In 2 Timothy 1:9, the Apostle Paul wrote, "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began"

In Jeremiah 1:5, God told the prophet, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; and before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you, and I ordained you a prophet unto the nations."

If God already knew everyone of us before we were conceived, and even before time began, then you should know that His actions have greater purpose and impact than what your imagination can understand.

Besides, the Bible did not say God destroyed the world to usher in a sinless generation... Really? Even after the death of Jesus Christ the world is still not sinless let alone the time before He came which is thousands of years in distance.

God instructed the killing of Idol worshippers so that He would be the only God worshipped today.... Again, really?
Do you know that putting anything before God is idolatry? You don't necessarily have to carve an image and bow to it to term it idolatry. Why didn't God kill such people? gods carved with wood or stone or myth does not change the fact that there is no god besides God.

Maybe you have pretended to be ignorant on the fact that there are many converts to different religions everyday: Muslims to Christians, Christians to Muslims, Christians to Judaism, Buddhists to Muslims or Christians...and the list goes on. Everyone has heard about Jesus the Son of God whether you were born into Christianity or not.....speaking about our computer age time. It is up to you to accept Him or reject Him - your choice but you can never claim ignorance of Him.

God never fails because He is the One who wields success and failure.... He sees and knows what you can never see or know

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THIS IS THE POINT.

plaetton:

If everything, from the beginning of the universe to the end has been meticulously planned by God, then kindly tell us the purpose of Religion, faith, worship and prayers .

You should agree with me then that Religion , faith ,worship and prayers are a total waste of time, perhaps even irritating to God, redundant and superfluous, and of course , a big scam.
Do you agree ?

plaetton:

If everything, from the beginning of the universe to the end has been meticulously planned by God, then kindly tell us the purpose of Religion, faith, worship and prayers .

You should agree with me then that Religion , faith ,worship and prayers are a total waste of time, perhaps even irritating to God, redundant and superfluous, and of course , a big scam.
Do you agree ?

chemystery:
Christians, without sentiment or fear of going to hell, let's look at god's actions as recorded in the bible, and how they yielded a positive result at the end.

Action:
God destroyed the entire world with flood to usher in a sinless generation

Result:
The world still got populated with even more sinners as compared to the time of Noah.


Action:
God instructed the killing of idol worshippers so that he will be the only god worshipped by humanity

Result:
Over 4,000 gods are worshipped by humanity today


Action:
God sent his son to pay the price for the sins of the world

Result:
Those who don't believe, or those not born into the religion that believe will have to pay for their own sins in hell

Why does god take actions if such actions will not yield a positive result at the end?
Sometimes these actions involve killing of innocent babies as well as ripping open pregnant women and killing unborn babies. This is more reason god should have ensure all his actions yields something positive, otherwise, all the killings were just done in vain.

Zither:


On the contrary. That I am very certain what you will do in the future does not mean I control or plan your actions. In the same vein, God knowing what you desire or need even before you have the idea does not make Him obliged to answer.

God gives man the freedom to choose even if He already knew the choice man would make. His qualities of love and fairness give us the opportunities to obey or disobey Him, the freedom to be who we want to be, to follow Him or reject Him. His pre-knowledge of your actions does not interfere in your plans and decision-making. That is solely you and you alone.

He knew many would reject Him and few would accept Him but He did not count it a waste of time; He came nonetheless to save the few that by their freedom of choice accepted Him. This is the same thing that happened in the time of Noah. God told Noah to preach about the coming destruction even though He knew that only eight souls would be saved.

If God took actions to thwart every decision of man that is not favourable to Him then He would have denied man the use of his free will and as such He would not be fair to judge mankind.

At least, in judgment no one can accuse God of impartiality. No one can tell God, "You did not give me the opportunity to change" or accuse God by saying something like, "If you had not interfered in my life I would have served You."

God may already know what you would do but He lets you live your life so that you become solely responsible for your actions, to worship Him, curse Him, deny Him, love Him, hate Him, pray to Him, doubt Him....the choice is yours.

In essence, they are not a waste of time; rather they represent choices that remind us we are in control of our actions, not God.

chemystery:

If I understand you very well, you mean god already planned what will happen before creating the world?
You mean he already planned to make Satan tempt Adam and eve?
You mean he already planned to drown his own creation sin he already planned?
You mean god already planned the 1st and 2nd world war?
You mean god already planned the 4000 gods worshipped by humanity?
You mean god already planned to burn those who worshipped the 4000 gods in his plan?
You mean god already planned for those that will burn in hell for eternity?
You mean a loving god sat down and drafted all these evil plans for humanity?

If god already have a plan, doesn't that make your prayers useless? Since if your prayer request isn't in the plan, such prayer is redundant and won't be answered. And if your request is already in the plan, such prayer is futile because such request will be granted whether you pray or not.

Go and read your bible again. God destroyed the world because he found the man sinful. What outcome then does god expect at then end of the flood? A sinful generation too? If so then he only did the flood just for the fun.

He had already mentioned that he is a jealous god, and no other god should be worshipped except him. Therefore instructing the killing of those worshipping other gods imply what? That he wants to be the only one worshipped! Common sense bro.

There are over 7billion people here in the world with over 4000 gods. Tell me now, how many of the 4000 gods do you know? OK, you get it. Next time don't assume everyone have heard about your imaginary Jesus. Meanwhile, that is not the point. The point is: if Jesus have paid for their sins, why do they have to pay for it again in hell?

OK, but he regretted creating man (Gen.6:6). Why? Because he didn't know they will disappoint him. This also answers the first point above because a god who had planned before creating the earth would know no regret. Or did he also plan his own regret?

Zither:


On the contrary. That I am very certain what you will do in the future does not mean I control or plan your actions. In the same vein, God knowing what you desire or need even before you have the idea does not make Him obliged to answer.

God gives man the freedom to choose even if He already knew the choice man would make. His qualities of love and fairness give us the opportunities to obey or disobey Him, the freedom to be who we want to be, to follow Him or reject Him. His pre-knowledge of your actions does not interfere in your plans and decision-making. That is solely you and you alone.

He knew many would reject Him and few would accept Him but He did not count it a waste of time; He came nonetheless to save the few that by their freedom of choice accepted Him. This is the same thing that happened in the time of Noah. God told Noah to preach about the coming destruction even though He knew that only eight souls would be saved.

If God took actions to thwart every decision of man that is not favourable to Him then He would have denied man the use of his free will and as such He would not be fair to judge mankind.

At least, in judgment no one can accuse God of impartiality. No one can tell God, "You did not give me the opportunity to change" or accuse God by saying something like, "If you had not interfered in my life I would have served You."

God may already know what you would do but He lets you live your life so that you become solely responsible for your actions, to worship Him, curse Him, deny Him, love Him, hate Him, doubt Him....the choice is yours.

In essence, they are not a waste of time; rather they represent choices that remind us we are in control of our actions, not God.

EmperorHarry:

A female atheist...Hmmm...your kind is rare... It's like 1 in 300 females,and in Nigeria it's like 1 in 100,000 females...how is it being a female atheist?
I'm really curious to find out if your don't mind

Zither:








How is Jesus imaginary? Tell me the massacre of Christians in Rome a few years after Christ's crucifixion was imagined....or that the tomb where Christ was buried was imaginary.

chemystery:
Christians, without sentiment or fear of going to hell, let's look at god's actions as recorded in the bible, and how they yielded a positive result at the end.

Action:
God destroyed the entire world with flood to usher in a sinless generation

Result:
The world still got populated with even more sinners as compared to the time of Noah.


Action:
God instructed the killing of idol worshippers so that he will be the only god worshipped by humanity

Result:
Over 4,000 gods are worshipped by humanity today


Action:
God sent his son to pay the price for the sins of the world

Result:
Those who don't believe, or those not born into the religion that believe will have to pay for their own sins in hell

Why does god take actions if such actions will not yield a positive result at the end?
Sometimes these actions involve killing of innocent babies as well as ripping open pregnant women and killing unborn babies. This is more reason god should have ensure all his actions yields something positive, otherwise, all the killings were just done in vain.

Beckino:

Feels good (though I now look like a devil in the eyes of many. I imagine them saying 'get thee behind me satan whenever I ask them some questions). I've learnt to be more cautious about what I believe.

plaetton:

If everything, from the beginning of the universe to the end has been meticulously planned by God, then kindly tell us the purpose of Religion, faith, worship and prayers .

You should agree with me then that Religion , faith ,worship and prayers are a total waste of time, perhaps even irritating to God, redundant and superfluous, and of course , a big scam.
Do you agree ?

Beckino:

Feels good (though I now look like a devil in the eyes of many. I imagine them saying 'get thee behind me satan whenever I ask them some questions). I've learnt to be more cautious about what I believe.

EmperorHarry:

Lol...I tots get it
Question tho...Do you think that there could be a God outside religion?

Like there could be a chance that he exists but religion somehow makes you discard everything that has to do with God cos of the ridiculous theories they've created?

I just feel like conversating and learning something new... Nothing to do

Zither:


I never said God plans human actions. Please don't misquote me on that. I said and I quote, "whatever God does has already been planned even before He created the world". The key phrase here is - whatever God does - as opposed to whatever man does.

Like I said previously, God gives you your freedom to plan and direct your life without His interference. You are responsible for your decision and action to love, murder, help, destroy, and whatever, but God already has His plan that has been waiting for perfect timing to be executed. As such, nothing takes Him by surprise. Your definition of success is different from His definition as night from day.

Okay genius, if God destroyed the world so that it would usher in a sinless generation then why did He bother to plan to give mankind grace through Christ even before He formed the world? The things which happened in the old testament are a shadow of things to come...a prophecy of the future through events. God does not do things for fun of it, not especially when human lives are at stake. The judgment that fell on Sodom and Gomorrah and the world of Noah did not precede His constant warnings to repent. The same judgment would have fallen on Nineveh but they repented and averted the destruction. Do you think God has changed because we are in the 21st century? In our time preachers and believers have been constantly warning of the coming judgment and urging mankind to repent and when the day of judgment arrives you will know why...that it is not for fun.

God never changes. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. If that was God's nature - killing people who worshipped other gods - then we should all be dead by now, don't you think?

Enough to know that they are all myths. Where was Zeus when the message of the gospel was spreading all over the world? Where were Krishna, Amadioha, Allah, Buddha, and all other gods when the message of Jesus Christ spread from continent to continent, and where are they now?
The fact that you serve a different god does not mean you have not heard about Jesus Christ....at least 99% of the world already heard the gospel in whatever language they understand.

How is Jesus imaginary? Tell me the massacre of Christians in Rome a few years after Christ's crucifixion was imagined....or that the tomb where Christ was buried was imaginary....or that Pontius Pilate, under who Christ was crucified, was an imaginary work of fiction...

It is just like in the garden of Eden when God came as usual to fellowship with man but Adam and Eve had hidden themselves because their eyes had opened. There, God asked, "Adam, where are you?" and the next question, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded that you should not eat?"

Peeps like you reading this verses would conclude that God had no idea Adam and Eve would disobey Him and that God was ignorant of their state after the disobedience. God said in Isaiah 46:10, that He is a God capable of "Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, `My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure" It then means God was not trying to convey ignorance of the result of the works of His hand but that He was passing the message of His displeasure... Man was created in God's image. Man is emotional because God is emotional, too. Nothing takes Him by surprise does not mean He is a God without feelings, a God that does not feel disappointment or pain even though He already knew it would happen.

EmperorHarry:

Lol...I tots get it
Question tho...Do you think that there could be a God outside religion?...Like there could be a chance that he exists but religion somehow makes you discard everything that has to do with God cos of the ridiculous theories they've created?
I just feel like conversating and learning something new... Nothing to do

adepeter2027:
LoL
Hope you're aware Satan gat 7bedroom flat for ya in hell àbí.