Lucasiangrey:
since richard dawkins is phd and professor,you agree with him on the topic " evolution ".

Do you?

butterflyl1on:


The opinion was not of a blogger but an interviewed guest who has a PhD in the History and Philosophy of Science from the University of Cambridge and is the author of The Genesis of Science: How the Christian Middle Ages Launched the Scientific Revolution (published in the UK as God’s Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science).

Why not read it. Is it because it's a blog? Leave wetin dem write for motor body enter motor.

Having a PhD in history and philosophy doesn't mean that a person can NOT say thrash. The guy did NOT provide any reason to show how christianity gave birth to science. How did the believe in Jesus give birth to biology, chemistry and physics?

Even the comments from the blog page showed that most people disagreed with his opinion you can read the comments yourself.

butterflyl1on:


I know some gist is hard for your Lilly liver to swallow but sadly for you we all do not have to be like you.

Nobody taught me anything. Who would? In a religious home where none was a Christian who would teach me about Christianity there? Maybe you were the one who taught me then when you were an alleged ardent Christian before you now switched to your latest atheist cruise ship

You said you were religious at age 10 but you weren't a christian. What religion did you belong to at that age? Who would you asked, your parents or Sunday school techers must have taught you about your religion. You had to be indoctrinated with the stories at an early age for it to make any meaning to you.

Or are you still going to lie that you discovered the bible and christian theology on your own without anybody teaching you anything about it?

butterflyl1on:


Do you?

i just started reading more on evolution...well,such theories are allowed in sciences...it makes more sense to a man born in a world without religion or any believe than the creationist version(made from dust...i don't just get).

dalaman:


Having a PhD in history and philosophy doesn't mean that a person can NOT say thrash. The guy did NOT provide any reason to show how christianity gave birth to science. How did the believe in Jesus give birth to biology, chemistry and physics?

Even the comments from the blog page showed that most people disagreed with his opinion you can read the comments yourself.

Same way your lack of any credible qualifications linked to religion, science, philosophy, et al ALWAYS makes you say trash.

butterflyl1on:


WRONG!

I was born into a religious home and not a Christian home. Again you would do well to note the difference.

Being a Christian had no link to being religious and neither does being born into a church going presumed God loving home make one a Christian. It's like saying being born a human means I must always stand erect and not sit or crawl or bend over.

WE CHOOSE WHO WE BECOME. NOBODY IN CHRISTIANITY IS MADE TO BECOME A CHRISTIAN. you can be made to be religious but like I said, being a Christian has no link to being religious.

I hope this clear explanation I am giving you for the umpteenth time would make you cease from making such silly assumptions again.

Christianity is a religion and that puts an end to all the nonsene you are saying. Until you can put christianity under a classification that is not regarded as a religion then you can take your pitiful and nonsense talk somewhere else. Christianity remains a religion and it is among the religion of the world that people practice.

This your statement that you were born into a religious home and not a christian home is a FALSE dichotomy. We're your parents Hindus or Muslims? They were christians as such you were born into a christian home, they might be lukewarm christians but they were christians all the same . It's funny how you guys dismiss people's christianity but run to it when you need it. If your parents where great scientist that made very important scientific discoveries you'll be quick to tell us that they were christians the way you rush to grab scientist that are christians regardless of whether they were lukewarm christians or not. You are a joke.

You were made to become a Christian through systematic indoctrination over the years, at age 10 if I had asked you what your religion was you would have told me you were a christian, you would have told me that you were taught about Jesus in Sunday school and would have told me a few among the popular bible stories. You did NOT just wake up and discover the bible and it's stories, you were indoctrinated with it during the course of your life by others and that is the fact.

Studies after studies have shown that a great majority of the people that are practicing what ever religion we have today were born into it and that remains the fact. Your lies and spin will never change that but only make you a laughing stock.

butterflyl1on:


Same way your lack of any credible qualifications linked to religion, science, philosophy, et al ALWAYS makes you say trash.

How did the believe in Jesus give birth to maths, biology, chemistry and physics? You can go and plagiarize from any christian blog or apologetic site and drop it here for us. We are waiting.

dalaman:


You said you were religious at age 10 but you weren't a christian. What religion did you belong to at that age? Who would you asked, your parents or Sunday school techers must have taught you about your religion. You had to be indoctrinated with the stories at an early age for it to make any meaning to you.

Or are you still going to lie that you discovered the bible and christian theology on your own without anybody teaching you anything about it?

I repeat I was not a Christian at that age. Christianity entails a certain level of SPIRITUAL MATURITY AND WILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT ALLTHE BAGGAGE IT COMES WITH BE IT GOOD OR BAD. CHRISTIANITY IS NOT GENETICALLY PASSED ON. NEITHER IS IT AN HEIRLOOM YOU PASS ON FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION.

why is it that something so simple is ALWAYS very hard for you to grasp?

I suppose at age 10 I was being taught Leviticus and Isaiah and Daniel and all the other extremely deep prophetic books . I must have been a genius then to have fully grasped them at such-and-such age (even if I was taught)

My alleged teacher must probably have started the lessons from when I was perhaps 5 years old

I NEVER discovered Christian theology. I DISCOVERED CHRIST. For the umpteenth time you would do well to note the difference.

dalaman:


Christianity is a religion and that puts an end to all the nonsene you are saying. Until you can put christianity under a classification that is not regarded as a religion then you can take your pitiful and nonsense talk somewhere else. Christianity remains a religion and it is among the religion of the world that people practice.

This your statement that you were born into a religious home and not a christian home is a FALSE dichotomy. We're your parents Hindus or Muslims? They were christians as such you were born into a christian home, they might be lukewarm christians but they were christians all the same . It's funny how you guys dismiss people's christianity but run to it when you need it. If your parents where great scientist that made very important scientific discoveries you'll be quick to tell us that they were christians the way you rush to grab scientist that are christians regardless of whether they were lukewarm christians or not. You are a joke.

You were made to become a Christian through systematic indoctrination over the years, at age 10 if I had asked you what your religion was you would have told me you were a christian, you would have told me that you were taught about Jesus in Sunday school and would have told me a few among the popular bible stories. You did NOT just wake up and discover the bible and it's stories, you were indoctrinated with it during the course of your life by others and that is the fact.

Studies after studies have shown that a great majority of the people that are practicing what ever religion we have today were born into it and that remains the fact. Your lies and spin will never change that but only make you a laughing stock.

One word for all you just ranted and projected up there is IGNORANCE!

no wonder your arguments are always nonsensical

Lucasiangrey:
i just started reading more on evolution...well,such theories are allowed in sciences...it makes more sense to a man born in a world without religion or any believe than the creationist version(made from dust...i don't just get).

So because you were born into a world without religion or belief made you see evolution as sensible

Tell me about indoctrination again please

butterflyl1on:



I repeat I was not a Christian at that age. Christianity entails a certain level of SPIRITUAL MATURITY AND WILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT ALLTHE BAGGAGE IT COMES WITH BE IT GOOD OR BAD. CHRISTIANITY IS NOT GENETICALLY PASSED ON. NEITHER IS IT AN HEIRLOOM YOU PASS ON FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION.

You were, if I had asked you to tell me your religion at that age you would have stated that you were a christian. Christianity is passed from generation to generation. In fact we know the history of christianity our ancestors were forced to accept the religion, some werrands even killed because they resisted. Millions in south America were killed because they refused to accept the religion, force and coresion have been used to make people accept the religion. History says you don't know what you are talking about. If all the christian parents that have kids under the age of 5 refuse to take them to sunday school or mention anything about christianity to them till they are 21 years old, the number of christians in the world will reduce by 70 percent in the next 50 years.

why is it that something so simple is ALWAYS very hard for you to grasp?

I suppose at age 10 I was being taught Leviticus and Isaiah and Daniel and all the other extremely deep prophetic books . I must have been a genius then to have fully grasped them at such-and-such age (even if I was taught)

My alleged teacher must probably have started the lessons from when I was perhaps 5 years old

Leviticus, Isiah and Daniel does not make one a christian. Wheb I was a kid I was taight that"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son and whom ever believes in him". . . This is what makes one a christian. The belief that God gave his son to die for humanity's salvation, who ever believes that and accepts it and does what Jesus said he should do is a christian not Isiah or Leviticus and Daniel. . . 10 years old are christians so long as they truly believe that Jesus was sacrificed for them and try to follow his comandements. This is what is taught everywhere.

I NEVER discovered Christian theology. I DISCOVERED CHRIST. For the umpteenth time you would do well to note the difference.

You did, you can not separate christian theology and Christ. If you disagree them tell me how you can separate the two.

butterflyl1on:



One word for all you just ranted and projected up there is IGNORANCE!

no wonder your arguments are always nonsensical

You mean your nonsense that christianity isn't a religion abi? Tell me the classification that christianity belongs to na since according to you it is no longer a religion.

dalaman:


You were, if I had asked you to tell me your religion at that age you would have stated that you were a christian. Christianity is passed from generation to generation. In fact we know the history of christianity our ancestors were forced to accept the religion, some werrands even killed because they resisted. Millions in south America were killed because they refused to accept the religion, force and coresion have been used to make people accept the religion. History says you don't know what you are talking about. If all the christian parents that have kids under the age of 5 refuse to take them to sunday school or mention anything about christianity to them till they are 21 years old, the number of christians in the world will reduce by 70 percent in the next 50 years.




Leviticus, Isiah and Daniel does not make one a christian. Wheb I was a kid I was taight that"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son and whom ever believes in him". . . This is what makes one a christian. The belief that God gave his son to die for humanity's salvation, who ever believes that and accepts it and does what Jesus said he should do is a christian not Isiah or Leviticus and Daniel. . . 10 years old are christians so long as they truly believe that Jesus was sacrificed for them and try to follow his comandements. This is what is taught everywhere.




You did, you can not separate christian theology and Christ. If you disagree them tell me how you can separate the two.

LMAO maybe if you had also asked me to state my profession at that age I would have told you I am a super hero and specifically superman

I guess watching too many cartoons or super heroes at that age can make one dream big right? But does that make me superman?

Maybe next time you see a 10 year old, ask him to define reproduction for you and when he does, feel free to accept what he says as genuine knowledge

For the rest of your comments again all I can say is one word IGNORANCE

(IN CASE YOU HAVENT NOTICED, I AM DELIBERATELY REFRAINING FROM ENGAGING YOU IN ANYTHING LENGHTY TODAY BECAUSE YOU ARE SIMPLY A WASTE OF TYPING ENERGY WITH YOUR DEEP ROOTED IGNORANCE)

dalaman:


You mean your nonsense that christianity isn't a religion abi? Tell me the classification that christianity belongs to na since according to you it is no longer a religion.

You keep dumping tons of ignorance on me

butterflyl1on:


You keep dumping tons of ignorance on me

Shebi you've given christianity a classification and made it not to be a religion na. Well done.

butterflyl1on:


So because you were born into a world without religion or belief made you see evolution as sensible

Tell me about indoctrination again please

...the "man" in that context isn't me(i was born in a christian family,and i am still a christian in a way... just that i am a bit sincere about the chance that the god of the bible is real in the face of all the contradictions in the bible).

butterflyl1on:



LMAO maybe if you had also asked me to state my profession at that age I would have told you I am a super hero and specifically superman

I guess watching too many cartoons or super heroes at that age can make one dream big right? But does that make me superman?

Children at age 10 have religions. My daughter is 10, if you ask her her to tell you what her religion is, she'll gladly say she's a christian. She can tell you in her little way what it means to be a christian. I know 10 year old mechanic / carpenter apprentice, if you ask them what their job is they'll tell you they are mechanics or carpenters. Watching TV is not a profession.

Maybe next time you see a 10 year old, ask him to define reproduction for you and when he does, feel free to accept what he says as genuine knowledge

A ten years old can be taught what reproduction is, and if asked will explain to you in his/her own way based on his/her own understanding.

For the rest of your comments again all I can say is one word IGNORANCE

(IN CASE YOU HAVENT NOTICED, I AM DELIBERATELY REFRAINING FROM ENGAGING YOU IN ANYTHING LENGHTY TODAY BECAUSE YOU ARE SIMPLY A WASTE OF TYPING ENERGY WITH YOUR DEEP ROOTED IGNORANCE)

Seems you didn't take your drugs today. Hurry up and take them. Mental issues are not to be toyed with.

This one had me laughing. Butterflyl1on comes to mind.

Lucasiangrey:
...the "man" in that context isn't me(i was born in a christian family,and i am still a christian in a way... just that i am a bit sincere about the chance that the god of the bible is real in the face of all the contradictions in the bible).

You are a Christian humanist and not a secular humanist. Besides the Bible has no contradictions.

comments from dalaman ,hopefullandlord etc tell much about how atheists educate you while allowing you to exercise the right to objectiveness or skepticism,which is natural(i think),serves as a basis for atheism itself but taken away by religion...atheist have to teach again how to be objective and inquisitive,they are trying...bro butterflyl1on ,i suggest you check for more hitchen's debate on religion.

butterflyl1on:


You are a Christian humanist and not a secular humanist. Besides the Bible has no contradictions.

i am secular 'cos i don't believe in the spiritual...i take my religion as christianity 'cos i won't like to leave the religion column of a form empty...and i am actually surrounded by christians(g.o and apostles as siblings and relatives).

dalaman:


Children at age 10 have religions. My daughter is 10, if you ask her her to tell you what her religion is, she'll gladly say she's a christian. She can tell you in her little way what it means to be a christian. I know 10 year old mechanic / carpenter apprentice, if you ask them what their job is they'll tell you they are mechanics or carpenters. Watching TV is not a profession.



A ten years old can be taught what reproduction is, and if asked will explain to you in his/her own way based on his/her own understanding.

For the rest of your comments again all I can say is one word IGNORANCE



Seems you didn't take your drugs today. Hurry up and take them. Mental issues are not to be toyed with.

Stop lying to your daughter.

Her saying she is a Christian at age 10 doesn't make her one. Is she LIKE CHRIST IN ALL THINGS?

IF SHE ISNT THEN YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVING HER INTO LETTING HER BELIEVE AND DECLARE WHAT SHE IS NOT.

like I said, Nobody inherits Christianity and it isn't genetically passed on. Deal with your ignorance and stop deceiving yourself

Lucasiangrey:
i am secular 'cos i don't believe in the spiritual...i take my religion as christianity 'cos i won't like to leave the religion column of a form empty...and i am actually surrounded by christians(g.o and apostles as siblings and relatives).

CC dalaman consider the bolted. Does that make him a Christian? Simply because he says he is does it make him one even if he did not state why he says he is a Christian?

Can you now see how ignorant you have been? Here the OP declares himself as Christian as a claim but not a reality.

You would do well to again note the difference.

butterflyl1on:


Stop lying to your daughter.

Her saying she is a Christian at age 10 doesn't make her one. Is she LIKE CHRIST IN ALL THINGS?

IF SHE ISNT THEN YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVING HER INTO LETTING HER BELIEVE AND DECLARE WHAT SHE IS NOT.

like I said, Nobody inherits Christianity and it isn't genetically passed on. Deal with your ignorance and stop deceiving yourself

. Are you like Christ in all things? Why then are you deceiving yourself and claiming to be what you are not? Christianity is not only inherited it is even forced upon people.

butterflyl1on:


CC dalaman consider the bolted. Does that make him a Christian? Simply because he says he is does it make him one even if he did not state why he says he is a Christian?

Can you now see how ignorant you have been? Here the OP declares himself as Christian as a claim but not a reality.

You would do well to again note the difference.

Are you a christian in reality? Are you like Christ in all things?

dalaman:


. Are you like Christ in all things? Why then are you deceiving yourself and claiming to be what you are not? Christianity is not only inherited it is even forced upon people.

More mental forced projections again and deep ignorance on display. Despite all I have typed he still says the above. Smh

dalaman:


Are you a christian I'm reality? Are you like Christ in all things?

More ignorance. Na Wa o.

butterflyl1on:


CC dalaman consider the bolted. Does that make him a Christian? Simply because he says he is does it make him one even if he did not state why he says he is a Christian?

Can you now see how ignorant you have been? Here the OP declares himself as Christian as a claim but not a reality.

You would do well to again note the difference.

If i did not tell you that and i had it in mind ...may be kept it as a secret and I am here arguing in your favor ...Won't you support me?...I know you will ...So then how do i verify that you butterfly1on is not an atheist hiding under the image of christianity?...Even if I am not sure about the existence of a God or Spiritual realm,there is one thing I am sure of ,that the christianity today is what you choose and want it to be...You will say to be a christian is to be christ-like...In the bible , Did Christ commit a single sin?,but have you?...so what part of christ are you like?...Christians today choose the part of christ they like...Don't try to make christianity special !

Lucasiangrey:


If i did not tell you that and i had it in mind ...may be kept it as a secret and I am here arguing in your favor ...Won't you support me?...I know you will ...So then how do i verify that you butterfly1on is not an atheist hiding under the image of christianity?...Even if I am not sure about the existence of a God or Spiritual realm,there is one thing I am sure of ,that the christianity today is what you choose and want it to be...You will say to be a christian is to be christ-like...In the bible , Did Christ commit a single sin?,but have you?...so what part of christ are you like?...Christians today choose the part of christ they like...Don't try to make christianity special !

LMAO Christianity IS special and you can take that to the bank. Plus even if you had not stated what you did I still would have known that you were not a Christian.

1. We test every spirit.
2. We prove the word
3. The spirit of God in you would have borne witness to mine that you and I are one.
4. My ability to discern you.

There are no 2 standards to Christianity. It's either you are or you are not. You cannot serve two masters.

So stop joining the other fellow in being ignorant

butterflyl1on:


LMAO Christianity IS special and you can take that to the bank. Plus even if you had not stated what you did I still would have known that you were not a Christian.

1. We test every spirit.
2. We prove the word
3. The spirit of God in you would have borne witness to mine that you and I are one.
4. My ability to discern you.

There are no 2 standards to Christianity. It's either you are or you are not. You cannot serve two masters.

So stop joining the other fellow in being ignorant

The problem with religious people is lie....not lying to others ....no no no...Lying to one's self...I think it happens unconciously..just ask yourself "Have i felt my spirit or spirit of god before?"...and don't lie to yourself . ...


Well , forget that ...just answer the following ,please.

Pastor E.A Adeboye and Pastor W.F Kumuyi ....Which one of them has the spirit of God that bears witness to yours ? both? none?...Don't tell me you can't declare it here ...remember you are christ-like and christ was fearless.

Lucasiangrey:


The problem with religious people is lie....not lying to others ....no no no...Lying to one's self...I think it happens unconciously..just ask yourself "Have i felt my spirit or spirit of god before?"...and don't lie to yourself . ...


Well , forget that ...just answer the following ,please.

Pastor E.A Adeboye and Pastor W.F Kumuyi ....Which one of them has the spirit of God that bears witness to yours ? both? none?...Don't tell me you can't declare it here ...remember you are christ-like and christ was fearless.

Hahahahaha I will answer even the question you asked that I forget.

I HAVE FELT THE SPIRIT OF GOD. I FEEL HIM ALWAYS. HE IS NOT A PAST EXPERIENCE. HE IS A CONSTANT EXPERIENCE TO GODS OWN.

adeboye and kumuyi are both of the same spirit which is of God but with individual specific assignments. Both bear witness with mine and I see both as my spiritual fathers.

butterflyl1on:




More mental forced projections again and deep ignorance on display. Despite all I have typed he still says the above. Smh

From your statements it's obvious that your mental illness is fully back. You asked me if my daughter does like Christ in all things and used that as a basis to disqualify her as a christian. I also asked you the same question and you are claiming that am forcing projections on you. Weren't you forcing your projections on my child?