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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Jarus(m): 7:23am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Joebie: Before some of you joined NL not to talk of starting this thread, some of us have been discussing this issue of APOTY every year. I took part in every NL thread on APOTY in the last 10 years! And before I discovered NL in 2007, I have been actively been discussing APOTY award since 1998, offline. When it comes to Nigerian football, only very few folks here are as passionate as I am. This is just being realistic, no Nigerian has deserved APOTY and not given. The nearest was JJ vs Hadji in 1998 and JJ vs Eto'o in 2004, but still Hadji and Eto'o had a slight edge in the 2 years. There is also a school of thought that believes Ghana's Kuffour deserved the 1999 award ahead of our own Kanu. I don't agree with that but it is worth mentioning that even in some of those controversial periods favoured Nigeria. The earlier we realize that no one is sitting somewhere denying Nigerian players any award, the better. If you do very well and shut down the world of football like Eto'o, Drogba, Yaya, Aubameyang etc, no one will deny you any award. Let's face it, what we have been producing in the last 15 years are just average players. Produce world beaters like Yaya, Drogba, Eto'o, Aubameyang etc and see if you will no win it. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Jarus(m): 7:28am On Dec 21, 2017 |
forgiveness: You are very funny. Drogba that was the 10th best player in the world in 2005 was the player you want to compare with Martins? Essien, the best player in French League and 22nd in the World for 2005? You talked about FIFA stuff, but those 3 players got bigger recognition by FIFA, and you want the order to change in Africa? 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 8:46am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Jarus: OK. What did Samuel Eto do in 2003/2004 season that made CAF gave him the award? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 8:47am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Jarus: The French connection worked for Drogba and Essien in that FIFA stuff. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 9:27am On Dec 21, 2017 |
forgiveness: What carryover? Must you be petty? obviously l wanted to give you benefit of doubt that you couldnt have compared any African player with 04/05 Eto. Especially not when Samuel was crowned 3rd best player in the world, the second African ever to make the podium. I'm quite disappointed that you have people showing solidarity with you in a thread with an above average IQ . The false sense of victimisation or prejudice against Nigerian players is quite worrisome, especially when you have supposed educated people sharing parochial thoughts like this. 1 Like
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 9:36am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Nigerian Duo React After Man City Debuts; Guardiola Hails Adarabioyo Again Published: December 20, 2017 Nigerian Duo React After Man City Debuts; Guardiola Hails Adarabioyo Again For the first time in his managerial career, Manchester City coach Pep Guardiola handed minutes to three talented Nigerian players in his side's win on penalties against Leicester City in the League Cup on Tuesday night. Central defender Tosin Adarabioyo impressed in a full shift for the Citizens, Lukas Nmecha came off the bench in the 88th minute and the two players were joined on the pitch by Tom Dele-Bashiru in the first minute of second-half stoppage time. Lukas Nmecha and Tom Dele-Bashiru took to the social networks to express their joy at making their maiden appearances for the Citizens shortly after the game at the King Power Stadium. Nmecha said : ''Great experience getting my debut today, the team and fans were fantastic! �''. Dele-Bashiru added : ''What a great win! Also very humbled to make my professional debut���'' Meanwhile, City coach Pep Guardiola was pleased with the performance of Tosin Adarabioyo, and told Manchester City's official website : ''Our young players played so well. Brahim (Diaz), Tosin (Adarabioyo) and Phil (Foden) played really well and I’m so happy.'' Manchester City's Nigerian contingent will discover their next opponents in the League Cup when the semi-final draw takes place on Wednesday night. Igho Kingsley http://www.allnigeriasoccer.com/read_news.php?nid=25896 |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 9:40am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Icon79:That's beside the point my man. The immediate context that made me quote you was because it seems you were trying - needlessly in my opinion - to goad oasis07 into engaging in a spat with the lady. Commendably he was wise enough not to travel that road. It's nothing now. Cheers all the same. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 9:42am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Joebie:I didn't actually I checked my mentions and replied you before I came to the thread |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 9:48am On Dec 21, 2017 |
goldfish80: FIFA is FIFA, CAF is CAF. Ok, let me agree you thought Eto won AFCON in 2004 hence your wrong submissions. Let me also agree Eto was the best in 2004/2005 season but can you pls explain what he did to win the award for the 2002/2003 and 2003/2004 season? Oh! I remember he played for middle table Mallorca then. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 9:49am On Dec 21, 2017 |
BascoVanVeli: Make no mistake about this, Nash was a proper floor general. The only downside in his game was the defense. Obviously his 6'2 frame is a disadvantage. Also, as a PG your shooting ability counts a lot. Stephen curry is at a different level mainly because of his shooting. By the way, I'm not hyping up Nash like that. I just had to highlight his abilities to show Icon79, Nash wasn't some pub player who fraudulently won the Mvp. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Jarus(m): 9:49am On Dec 21, 2017 |
forgiveness: LOL. Better concede. You keep introducing more ridiculous arguments. French connection in FIFA. I thought you guys talk of French connection only in CAF. Ronaldinho, Kaka, CR7 and Messi must have had "French connection" too. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Jarus(m): 10:07am On Dec 21, 2017 |
forgiveness: His winning 2004 APOTY award also included performance for the 2004 part of 2004/2005 - 22 goals in 43 matches for Maĺlorca in 2003/2004 ( including 17 league goals) - And he was signed by Barca in the middle of 2004 and started banging many goals in La Liga and UCL before the end of 2004.
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 10:16am On Dec 21, 2017 |
forgiveness: I discussed extensively how the SE defeated Cameroun ,with Bonfere giving Christian Chukwu tips in 2004 before the world cup qualifiers in Uyo. Its laughable in your skewed imagination, I said Eto'o won the Afcon in 2004. What Eto'o did to win in 2002/03? 2003/04? Afcon title Afcon top scorer confederations cup finalist Copa de rey (Mallorca) Mallorca all time leading scorer Pichichi [ 2nd to Villa while at Mallorca, lost this award on the final day] List Obafemi Martins record for Nigeria between 2003-06. I'm asking you a second time. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Daejoyoung: 10:41am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Jarus:22 goals for Mallorca(a mid table team), but someone just argued if you do not play for top clubs only, you cannot win the APOTHY. Again the question is...What are the criterias for winning APOTHY? why does it keep changing? Y'all defending CAF here do not seem to get the point. 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 10:44am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Jarus: Oga! Those are South Americans. They are marketable. CAF award was introduced by a French magazine. Finito. Why do you think they gave it to Jean Managa Onguene ahead of Segun Odegbami in 1980 despite the fact that he helped Nigeria to win their first AFCON in 1980? Only French won it before the main CAF award was introduced and unfortunately the other French President favoured his colonial colleagues. French has influence in FIFA to promote players from their league. French influence in CAF no get part two. Wetin you think say make Ikpeba win? However, Nigerian arrogant nature towards other African countries whenever they win has denied them the favour from them. Yaya winning Apoty because he scored two goals does not hold water for me because Taye Taiwo also scored a goal in the finals that won Marseille their Coupe de la Ligue and he was the man of the match. Don't forget he scored a total of 5 goals from his difficult defensive duty that same 2010/2011 season Yaya toure won the award. What did Seyedou. Keita do that same season? Did he also score 2 goals in any finals? CAF can deceive the mumus not me. 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Daejoyoung: 10:46am On Dec 21, 2017 |
goldfish80:Afcon title, Afcon top scorer, confederations cup, all of these were before the 2002/2003 season. What did he do specifically in 2003 to win the award? Mallorca was not a top team then. Some have downplayed Odemwinge in 2011 for making his exploits in WestHam. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 10:49am On Dec 21, 2017 |
goldfish80: I beg to disagree with you on the reason for Nash's poor defense. It had to do with his footwork and athleticism and not his height. He payed in an era filled with very athletic point guards and he couldn't guard them. Besides, Chris Paul (a 6ft PG), has been nominated to the a NBA defensive team nine times while Sidney Moncrief (a 6'3 guard for the Milwaukee Bucks of the 80s) and Gary payton (a 6'4 gaurd for the Seattle Supersonics of the 90s) both won the Defensive payer of the year when they played. So i don't think his height was the reason for his poor defense But i know he deserved both MVP awards. This is a guy who turned the fortunes of the Phoenix suns when he came from a 20+ win/season team to a play off team with 60+ wins in his first season and at least 55+ wins in subsequent seasons. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 10:52am On Dec 21, 2017 |
goldfish80: Haha! Nobi you? Can you pls list those achievements according to their seasons? Thanks |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 10:59am On Dec 21, 2017 |
darkelf: I take Magic because he was the best player in a much tougher era. We are talking about Larry Bird, The Bad Boys, Dr J, Dom Wilkins, Clyde the glide, The Dream and so much more. With Magic the greatness was not with the numbers but the total package of wat he brings to a team. U can play him anywhere on the court and he would dominate all the same. He was very unselfish unlike MJ who ragged and beat teammates instead of helping to improve them. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:05am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Daejoyoung:which country won the Afcon in 2002? Whih country reprssented Africa at the 2004 confederations cup and played up to the finals? Was Osaze one the top scorers in the Epl with (a respectable )15 goals? Amir Zaki scored same number with Wigan and won the Afcon with Egypt in 2008, yet he didn't win. Are Egyptians hated also across Africa? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:06am On Dec 21, 2017 |
forgiveness: List Martins achievement for Nigeria between 2003-06 in no particular order. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:08am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Daejoyoung: Haha! Let us wait for his defensive response. Maybe CAF accumulated all his past achievement to award him in 2003 and 2004. Odenwingie was EPL African best player of the year for that season and he won EPL player of the months two times which made him the sixth player in the history of EPL to had won it. He broke many West Brom's records in the procces but he was not even nominated for APOTy award. Why? Wetin yaya do? 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 11:10am On Dec 21, 2017 |
goldfish80:so, CAF has no specific criteria then The award is bogus and shoddy 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Jarus(m): 11:13am On Dec 21, 2017 |
forgiveness: How can you hold CAF responsible for awards awarded not by it but by an independent magazine? You have been grabbing straws. CAF started awarding early 90s. And from Nigerians dominated 1993 - 1999. You mentioned French influence in FIFA and I showed you how no French connection stopped Kaka, Ronnie, Messi, CR7 from winning FIFA WPOTY, you brought another straw that they are South Americans (after killing your French connection argument). Lol Guy, stop the petty victimization cry, if you performed very well, no connection anywhere will stop you from winning any award. A Weah from an English speaking small African country as Liberia even won WPOTYand APOTY. Do very well and see whether anyone will deny you any award. I just dont like cry-babyism. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:21am On Dec 21, 2017 |
goldfish80: I thought CAF award depends on a season performance. Why should I list all his achievements? Tell me what Eto did in 2003/2004. Thanks |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:29am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Jarus: Well, everybody is entitled to his microscopic view points. Chikena. It seems you don't know much about the history and politics of CAF. Even FIFA knows they are corrupt. Didn't you hear how one Former FIFA President influenced a player to win FIFA award. Now, let us forget all these and move on to my questions in my last comment Can you pls answer the last four paragraphs? Thanks |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:36am On Dec 21, 2017 |
safarigirl: Awards are what they are. Hardly you can have an individual award which satisfies all parties. Yaya Toure even felt aggrieved PEA won APOTY ahead of him. Grammies, Oscars, BET and the likes have witnessed some controversies in the past, more still to come in future. It is very human to feel hard done, when things dont go your way. However, going out of your way to present unsubstantiated, cooked up and frivolous claims as evidence of prejudice in a court of public opinion, of well read people can never stand. I'm sorry 5 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:39am On Dec 21, 2017 |
forgiveness:Season achievement for both club and country. Now list Obafemi Martins achievement s for Nigeria in the said period. Why is this simple task proving too difficult? I have listed that of Eto'o |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Jarus(m): 11:39am On Dec 21, 2017 |
forgiveness: You probably dont follow CAF/FIFA as much as I do. Point to the 4 paras you were referring to. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:47am On Dec 21, 2017 |
goldfish80: Asking for Martins stats for 2003/2004 is inconsequential because I never considered him or included him in that discussion. So, tell me about Eto 2003/2004 achievements and forget about Martins. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:51am On Dec 21, 2017 |
Jarus: forgiveness: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Daejoyoung: 11:54am On Dec 21, 2017 |
goldfish80:My question is... Why was Eto given the award in 2003? Are you saying this was based on his past achievements? 1 Like |
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