snowstormm:


I liked mess o...but handle sabi lie


he tweeted messi had most goals,most assists,most dribbles,most chance created, most man of the match...which was a lie...he tweeted many lie also

he is pakistani

I was FL at some time but later Unfollow him because of his lies.

So he is a PAKI.

hardeycute:
How does this correlate with a Portuguese NT full of average players to a star studded Argentine NT?
Portugal 2012 EUROs semi finalist,eliminated by Spain(cup winner)After Extra Time
True
Are you not shameless?You mentioned why they were able to qualify which is according to the books

The fact is that their qualification was not a ruse but a merited one

You want to blame a team that won the cup or the so called 'heavyweights' that failed to deliver?This your logic is unreasonable

Fixed.

Never realised there is a reward for failure,playing in a WC final to only end up losing.A u20 and Olympic competition is being compared to a Continental championship?Do you have to sound like this to make a point ?
If we can't give credit to Cr7 for Portugal's EURO success why should we commend a serial failure?

2010 WC-Stat padded in the GS,in the Knockout stage he was lost and more importantly on that catastrophic night(to Argentines) he was missing

WITH RONALDO

1. World cup 2010 ronaldo features in all games and portugal gets knocked out in round one.
2. Euro 2012 ronaldo plays against spain and portugal gets knocked out.
3. World cup 2014 ronaldo features in all and gets knocked out in round one.
4. Confederations cup 2017 ronaldo features against chile and portugal gets knocked out.

WITHOUT RONALDO

1. Euro 2016 ronaldo does not feature in the final and portugal win.
2. Confederations cup 2017 ronaldo does not feature in the 3rd place against mexico and portugal win.

Infact ronaldo is the one holding the portugal side back. They lose when he features.

Portugal have never had no bums in their national team. All of these players played with ronaldo when in their primes;
Nani, Quaresma, Bruno Alvez, Pepe, Moutinho, Contreao.

Not the kinds of players to leave portugal struggling with north Korea and ghana in the world cups if you ask me.

Everything we comment on is in relative terms. Ronaldo relative to Messi. And so like you said while Messi was padding up stats in the group stage Ronaldo was padding a single goal against Ghana in one world cup and a sinlge goal against North korea in another.

That's why i mentioned grey areas. smart people always pay attention to details and see millions of grey areas, not so smart people do not care about details and see black and white, yes or no, win or lose. that's not me that's philosophy. Not winning the trophy doesn't amount to failure.

On an individual level playing in a world cup final and winning the golden ball is far far far greater than winning the euros while not playing in the final. On an individual level i say! It's logic, except for mischief makers.

It's not about deafening your eyes and blinding your eyes to the substance or the details.

There was nothing magical about ronaldo in euro 2016.
You guys just need to slow your roll about that.
Even after euro 2016 and a 5th ballon dor I still listened to several sport luminaries including Ray Hudson, Graham Souness and Gary Linekar who all still say it's not a debate, Messi for them all day all night.

It's not a crime to support ronaldo and claim he is the better player but trust me as far as the entire world goes, you are in the minority.

All these talk about Messi losing in 3 finals wouldn't change any of that.

tesppidd:



It's not a crime to support ronaldo and claim he is the better player but trust me as far as the entire world goes, you are in the minority.

All these talk about Messi losing in 3 finals wouldn't change any of that.

Except Ronaldo has been voted the best player in the world 4 times in the last five years.

It's not a crime to support Messi, but as far as the entire world goes Ronaldo is the best player in the world.

Nihilist:


Except Ronaldo has been voted the best player in the world 4 times in the last five years.

It's not a crime to support Messi, but as far as the entire world goes Ronaldo is the best player in the world.

Hehehehe. On the contrary Messi has been the best player in the world since 2009.

The ballon dor sometimes goes to the best player in the best team in the world. That's how Ronaldo gets a shot at it.

tesppidd:
Hehehehe. On the contrary Messi has been the best player in the world since 2009.
.

This is your opinion not a fact.

The undisputable fact as it stands is the Ronaldo has been awarded the FIFA award for world best player 4 times in the last 5 years which automatically makes a mockery of your earlier claims.

The ballon dor sometimes goes to the best player in the best team in the world. That's how Ronaldo Messi gets a shot at it

Same difference. Messi's run of consecutive Balon Dors unsurprisingly came during the period where Barca were the best team in the world.

Nihilist:

This is your opinion not a fact.

The undisputable fact as it stands is the Ronaldo has been awarded the FIFA award for world best player 4 times in the last 5 years which automatically makes a mockery of your earlier claims.



Same difference. Messi's run of consecutive Balon Dors unsurprisingly came during the period where Barca were the best team in the world.

Even looking beyond all of the awards and trophies. The techniques of football are as follows;

1. Goal scoring.
2. Dribbling.
3. Creating chances.
4. Vision.
5. Passing.

In which of the above is Ronaldo better than Messi?
Not forgetting that Ronaldo has just about 30 more goals in about 150 more games than Messi.

Absolutely none.
And that's crazy.

Picture Messi and Ronaldo in the same team. Messi would be excelling in all 5 of the above while Ronaldo would be excelling in just 1.

PS.

It's not even about the number of ballon dors no more.
Cus when Messi had 4 and Ronaldo had just a lone ballon dor, most of you could still swear that Ronaldo was 100 times better than Messi.

I find messi better....using the parameter stated above does it means zaha,neymar,hazard,dybala are better than ronaldo cuz they excellent in 4 to 5 of d formula stated


To me,best player is who performs most consistently and excell in big games

tesppidd:
Even looking beyond all of the awards and trophies. The techniques of football are as follows;

1. Goal scoring.
2. Dribbling.
3. Creating chances.
4. Vision.
5. Passing.

In which of the above is Ronaldo better than Messi?
Not forgetting that Ronaldo has just about 30 more goals in about 150 more games than Messi.

Absolutely none.
And that's crazy.

Picture Messi and Ronaldo in the same team. Messi would be excelling in all 5 of the above while Ronaldo would be excelling in just 1.

PS.

It's not even about the number of ballon dors no more.
Cus when Messi had 4 and Ronaldo had just a lone ballon dor, most of you could swear that Ronaldo was 100 times better than Messi.

I dont really care about your epistle up there bro. Im not here to qualify your opinion on who the better player is.
You might as well consider a Mcdonalds meal gourmet fare, or believe that Buhari is here to fight corruption.

Thats your prerogative. Its your opinion not a fact.

The FACT here is that when vote was put to journalists, footballers and coaches on who the best player in the world is, the majority have chosen Ronaldo 4 times in the last 5 years.

So your statement about Ororo being a minority choice is null and void.

snowstormm:
I find messi better....using the parameter stated above does it means zaha,neymar,hazard,dybala are better than ronaldo cuz they excellent in 4 to 5 of d formula stated


To me,best player is who performs most consistently and excell in big games

ronaldo is a million times better than them in terms of goal scoring. the margin gets too wide. they cannot be compared.

so goal scoring is the toast of football.

in this grading goal scoring could carry a load of say 10 while others might carry a 5 or thereabout.

and it gets ridiculous because messi still has got a far better goal scoring prowess than ronaldo.

imagine 30 plus goals in over 150 plus games!

tesppidd:

WITH RONALDO

1. World cup 2010 ronaldo features in all games and portugal gets knocked out in round one

You got your fact wrong here.Portugal finished 2nd below Brazil and get knocked out by Spain(WC winner) in R16

2. Euro 2012 ronaldo plays against spain and portugal gets knocked out

You didn't mention it was after extra time and he didn't even play his kick from the penalty spot

3. World cup 2014 ronaldo features in all and gets knocked out in round one

You are right here.Injured Ronaldo

4. Confederations cup 2017 ronaldo features against chile and portugal gets knocked out.

Let me remind you that this same Chile denied the midget glory on two different occasion
WITHOUT RONALDO

1. Euro 2016 ronaldo does not feature in the final and portugal win

I should stop replying you here but your mischievousness would not allow you to acknowledge that he contributed 6/9 goals prior to the final

2. Confederations cup 2017 ronaldo does not feature in the 3rd place against mexico and portugal win

Losers Final?

Infact ronaldo is the one holding the portugal side back. They lose when he features

2018 WCQ vs Switzerland he didn't featured but they lose.His stat padding 15goals made Portugal to avoid the Play offs but you are ignorant of this

2013- 4 goals Vs Sweden that ended Zlatan's international career and helped his NT to the WC,you were not opportuned to own a phone during that time?

Portugal have never had no bums in their national team. All of these players played with ronaldo when in their primes;
Nani, Quaresma, Bruno Alvez, Pepe, Moutinho, Contreao

Playing in your prime translates to brilliance? That is a foolish conclusion man.
Tiago Raul
Almeida Hugo
Sima
Ricardo,Do you know all these bums?2010 WC squad.Cr7 wasting his prime with average players

Not the kinds of players to leave portugal struggling with north Korea and ghana in the world cups if you ask me

Can't relate with this

Everything we comment on is in relative terms. Ronaldo relative to Messi. And so like you said while Messi was padding up stats in the group stage Ronaldo was padding a single goal against Ghana in one world cup and a sinlge goal against North korea in another

Midget got Lavezzi,Di Maria,Pipita,Tevez,Rojo,Palacio,Aguero,Garay,Maschero and Zabaleta in their prime.

That's why i mentioned grey areas. smart people always pay attention to details and see millions of grey areas, not so smart people do not care about details and see black and white, yes or no, win or lose. that's not me that's philosophy. Not winning the trophy doesn't amount to failure

Your definition of failure is proponent to the narrative you desire to uphold so is mine.

Not winning is not failure? What is it then?You don't need to sound illogical to hold a positive stand on Midget WC final loss

On an individual level playing in a world cup final and winning the golden ball is far far far greater than winning the euros while not playing in the final. On an individual level i say! It's logic, except for mischief makers.

Playing in a WC final where you existed in 'inexistence' without a contribution only to be considered for an Award you don't deserve.

Golden ball to him was a consolation given by individuals who represent little of the football fanatics.

It's not about deafening your eyes and blinding your eyes to the substance or the details

Same as being mischievous in refuting facts and reality

There was nothing magical about ronaldo in euro 2016.
You guys just need to slow your till about that

But Midget was magical in 2015,2015,2016.How does that sound? Who needs magic to win trophies or to perform brilliantly?3 goals 3 assists with motivation from the sideline is not magical but 'practical and realistic'

Even after euro 2016 and a 5th ballon dor I still listened to several sport luminaries including Ray Hudson, Graham Souness and Gary Linekar who all still say it's not a debate, Messi for them all day all night

Lineaker an ex Barca,a Midget asslickèr?
Writers that have shown biases?
Hudson,a commentator fan of Midget and Barka with beIN?
These are people with their fûcking opinion that can't influence result of awards but only make Barka fans have oragasm when they read or listen to them

It's not a crime to support ronaldo and claim he is the better player but trust me as far as the entire world goes, you are in the minority

Did you conduct a poll or from your one room in IKorodu you already know the figures?

Minority with 4/5 BDOs/Fifa POTY award?Your claim doesn't sound correct and confident

All these talk about Messi losing in 3 finals wouldn't change any of that.

To you alone and all other student of that school of thought alone

hardeycute:
You got your fact wrong here.Portugal finished 2nd below Brazil and get knocked out by Spain(WC winner) in R16
You didn't mention it was after extra time and he didn't even play his kick from the penalty spot
You are right here.Injured Ronaldo
Let me remind you that this same Chile denied the midget glory on two different occasion
WITHOUT RONALDO

I should stop replying you here but your mischievousness would not allow you to acknowledge that he contributed 6/9 goals prior to the final
Losers Final?

2018 WCQ vs Switzerland he didn't featured but they lose.His stat padding 15goals made Portugal to avoid the Play offs but you are ignorant of this

2013- 4 goals Vs Sweden that ended Zlatan's international career and helped his NT to the WC,you were not opportuned to own a phone during that time?

Playing in your prime translates to brilliance? That is a foolish conclusion man.
Tiago Raul
Almeida Hugo
Sima
Ricardo,Do you know all these bums?2010 WC squad.Cr7 wasting his prime with average players

Can't relate with this

Midget got Lavezzi,Di Maria,Pipita,Tevez,Rojo,Palacio,Aguero,Garay,Maschero and Zabaleta in their prime.

Your definition of failure is proponent to the narrative you desire to uphold so is mine.

Not winning is not failure? What is it then?You don't need to sound illogical to hold a positive stand on Midget WC final loss

Playing in a WC final where you existed in 'inexistence' without a contribution only to be considered for an Award you don't deserve.

Golden ball to him was a consolation given by individuals who represent little of the football fanatics.

Same as being mischievous in refuting facts and reality
But Midget was magical in 2015,2015,2016.How does that sound? Who needs magic to win trophies or to perform brilliantly?3 goals 3 assists with motivation from the sideline is not magical but 'practical and realistic'
Lineaker an ex Barca,a Midget asslickèr?
Writers that have shown biases?
Hudson,a commentator fan of Midget and Barka with beIN?
These are people with their fûcking opinion that can't influence result of awards but only make Barka fans have oragasm when they read or listen to them
Did you conduct a poll or from your one room in IKorodu you already know the figures?

Minority with 4/5 BDOs/Fifa POTY award?Your claim doesn't sound correct and confident

To you alone and all other student of that school of thought alone

I guess it was the minority that voted when messi was voted best player 4 times in a row.

For someone who claims to post facts how does ronaldo who scored only 3 goals out of 8 portugal scored prior to the final amount to 6/9 of the teams goals??

Bale with a team worse than ronaldo's scored the smae amount of goals as ronaldo in euro 2016.

oseriki9:
Bale with a team worse than ronaldo's scored the smae amount of goals as ronaldo in euro 2016.

Whose goals eliminated the other?

You need to define how you want your goals to be crucial to your cause,can't be like one Midget in a WC tourney padded stats in GS and failed to surface in the preceding stages.
Let's not forget he bottled a 10 goal lead last season in the UCL

2014 WC
Muller 5 goals 2 assists
James 6 goals 2 assists
Neymar 4 goals 1 assist
Benzema 3 goals 3 assists
Kroos 2 goals 4 assists

Look at the injustice done to the other top great performer then one taju will come here to brag about a dubious golden ball.

Golden ball because your name is Messi,Tch.The 2010 Sneidjer robbery comes to mind

oseriki9:

I guess it was the minority that voted when messi was voted best player 4 times in a row

Tch Tch Tch Tch

One of your deluded fans said the minority are the one supporting Cr7 so I countered him.Please read and understand very well before replying a post.

I do my best to attack issues by paragraph

For someone who claims to post facts how does ronaldo who scored only 3 goals out of 8 portugal scored prior to the final amount to 6/9 of the teams goals??

Boy go back to read.

'contributed' is the key word. 3 goals 3 assists

hardeycute:
Whose goals eliminated the other?

You need to define how you want your goals to be crucial to your cause,can't be like one Midget in a WC tourney padded stats in GS and failed to surface in the preceding stages.
Let's not forget he bottled a 10 goal lead last season in the UCL

2014 WC
Muller 5 goals 2 assists
James 6 goals 2 assists
Neymar 4 goals 1 assist
Benzema 3 goals 3 assists

IIRC messi scored two goals against nigeria in the group stage remove the messi goals 3 points gone...he scored another one against iran if he didn't score 2 points gone....he scored another one in the 2-1 win against bosnia remove that another 2 points gone.....that shows you that messi was instrumental to Argentina's progression...without his goals Argentina would have had just two points, how was this not crucial to Argentina's cause.

Make I sharpaly book seat here ahead of Saturday's party. I don even forget say I get room here before. Make anybody no touch my space here o!!!

My friends . . See you on Saturday.

hardeycute:
Tch Tch Tch Tch

One of your deluded fans said the minority are the one supporting Cr7 so I countered him.Please read and understand very well before replying a post.

I do my best to attack issues by paragraph
Boy go back to read.

'contributed' is the key word. 3 goals 3 assists

Okay agreed...but you are still wrong, you said he contributed 6/9 goals prior to the finals...how is that possible when portugal scored eight goals prior to the finals....also if you want about goals not crucial to your cause...ronaldo's two goals in the group stage should be removed because Portugal would have advanced without it while Messi's four goals in the group stage were crucial....meaning 4/8 of his contributions were actually crucial as opposed to messi's 5/8 on a much bigger stage.

What if paulinho scores a hatrick at the bernaleo

oseriki9:

Okay agreed...but you are still wrong, you said he contributed 6/9 goals prior to the finals...how is that possible when portugal scored eight goals prior to the finals

I will acknowledge my error here.
You are actually making a good case for me. 6/8 is a more attractive stats .

also if you want about goals not crucial to your cause...ronaldo's two goals in the group stage should be removed because Portugal would have advanced without it

This is false,Portugal - 3 draws.removing Cr7 goals will result to 2 draws and a defeat which will make Albania finished as 'the best losers'

while Messi's four goals in the group stage were crucial.

Yep and stat padding

oseriki9:

IIRC messi scored two goals against nigeria in the group stage remove the messi goals 3 points gone...he scored another one against iran if he didn't score 2 points gone....he scored another one in the 2-1 win against bosnia remove that another 2 points gone.....that shows you that messi was instrumental to Argentina's progression...without his goals Argentina would have had just two points, how was this not crucial to Argentina's cause.

Crucial and stat padding .

Netherlands,Germany,Switzerland and Belgium,where was he?

hardeycute:
I will acknowledge my error here.
You are actually making a good case for me. 6/8 is a more attractive stats .
This is false,Portugal - 3 draws.removing Cr7 goals will result to 2 draws and a defeat which will make Albania finished as 'the best losers' Yep and stat padding

Albania didn't even play in Portugal's group...and portugal will have qualified witbout Ronaldo's goals because Austria lost 2 and drew 1.

hardeycute:
I will acknowledge my error here.
You are actually making a good case for me. 6/8 is a more attractive stats .
This is false,Portugal - 3 draws.removing Cr7 goals will result to 2 draws and a defeat which will make Albania finished as 'the best losers' Yep and stat padding

Not if two were not crucial

oseriki9:

Albania didn't even play in Portugal's group...and portugal will have qualified witbout Ronaldo's goals because Austria lost 2 and drew 1.

Check Group A.

Albania W1 L 2 - 3 points

Portugal D2 L1 (removing goals scored by Cr7)

hardeycute:
Crucial and stat padding .

Netherlands,Germany,Switzerland and Belgium,where was he?

This is the main problem with u Ronaldo fanboys. It is only goals y'all use for comparison. You don't use general performance.


Ronaldo hasn't performed well in a match until he scores, this is the way everybody sees it. During Madrid's last La Liga match against Sevilla, Ronaldo scored a brace and was given the MOTM, he was being praised for "getting back on form" it made everyone forget the fact that he had just 22 successful passes in 90 minutes.

Without goals Ororo is nothing. No effectiveness on the pitch, no creativity, nothing! nothing! nothing! Except goalscoring and that's the only thing u use to compare him with Messi.

Use general performance if you're sure your Ororo is the most "complete player in history"

Hardecute

Messi almost single handedly dragged argentina to the world cup final.

Yes he didn't score after the group stages.
But he created chances all through the competition.
Messi isn't even the goal scorer/striker for argentina.
So why should goal scoring be an issue?

Well I am not surprised; Ronaldo fan boys are programmed not to see football beyond goals.
Why? Because their Lord Ronaldo is useless when he's not scoring.

Back to the issue.

Messi dragged argentina to the final and others like Higuain couldn't complement him in the final like others did for Diego Maradona.
The big stars they talk about like Aguero, Higuain, Pastore are serial floppers in an argentinean jersey.
Dr Maria never makes it to any quarter final without his legs failing him.
So I ask, who are the superstars?


Some of the detractors like hardecute say; no it was de maria who led argentina all the way. The very same de maria who broke his legs by the quarter finals?

Some say; no it was mascherano. The same mascherano whose only notable contribution was a good tackle against holland?

Confused bunch! Lol.

I am defindefinitely not up for this back and forth today, there's money to be made.

Taking your country to the FIFA world cup final and winning the golden ball is by far far far a greater feat than taking your team to a miserly euros final and not playing in it.
I can't be arsed!

*Goal scoring
*Passing
*Vision
*Creating chances
*Dribbling

I challenge you to tell me in what area Ronaldo beats Messi.
I challenge you to tell me where he even equals Messi.

TLona1:


This is the main problem with u Ronaldo fanboys. It is only goals y'all use for comparison. You don't use general performance.


Ronaldo hasn't performed well in a match until he scores, this is the way everybody sees it. During Madrid's last La Liga match against Sevilla, Ronaldo scored a brace and was given the MOTM, he was being praised for "getting back on form" it made everyone forget the fact that he had just 22 successful passes in 90 minutes.

Without goals Ororo is nothing. No effectiveness on the pitch, no creativity, nothing! nothing! nothing! Except goalscoring and that's the only thing u use to compare him with Messi.

Use general performance if you're sure your Ororo is the most "complete player in history"

Walahi. Aljizira vs Real. 40-something minutes into the game, they post CR7 stats. 9 - 10 shots only 1 on target. I begin to wonder if that man get any sense at all!

I see no reason why any good loving sport fan will argue with a madridiot fan about messi being the greatest footballer of his generation and amongst the top 5 greatest in history of the beautiful round leather game..

If football most respected pundits all over the world can come to the fact. that messi is far superior to ronaldo and in fact declared messi as the greatest of his generation, i honestly see no point why my Catalan brothers in this thread are arguing with an ordinary madridiost with a sagem phone..

This words below are words of one of the greatest football pundits on earth..
Cristiano will definitely go down as one of the
game's greats and deservedly so.
But he is not the best player in the world right now.

however many Ballons d'Ors he wins - he is certainly
not the finest footballer in history and his generation because that title belongs to Lionel messi..

Can't really be arguing with WhoScored stans, 4-4-2 merchants goal.com readers

People who hardly watch their team play can't hold opinion on a rival team you only watch during El Classico of final marches

Expect a player with a low centre of gravity not have a dribbling ability? Can I say he is bad in the air?

Passing? Tch
Vision? What is this about?
Dribbl✔️ing Yes

A man who failed to win any of the 3 major consecutive finals he played in is the GOAT? That indicates his cluelessness whenever he is out of his comfort zone(barka)

Barcelona GOAT.
Argentina GOAT?

I urge my fellow cules to desist from arguing with this madridiots. If they want to argue let them go and argue in that their ghost thread. I have come to realize that most madridiots are pained man u fans. It's obvious RONALDO isn't worthy to be considered as greatest of all time. He isn't even the greatest in Portugal.. Ask any Portuguese and they will tell you EUSEBIO is greater than him. Same thing with Madrid Stefano and puskas are still miles ahead of him in greatness. Same thing with barca legend cruyff. Penalso ain't shit compared to this nuggets not to talk messi nd pele. Just Google greatest footballer of all time and you will see the verdicts

I am confident we will still hump Madrid tomorrow at the benebeu

y'all should end this already.. we've got El classico tomao

Umtiti
Demböuz

emmyspark007:
I urge my fellow cules to desist from arguing with this madridiots. If they want to argue let them go and argue in that their ghost thread. I have come to realize that most madridiots are pained man u fans. It's obvious RONALDO isn't worthy to be considered as greatest of all time. He isn't even the greatest in Portugal.. Ask any Portuguese and they will tell you EUSEBIO is greater than him. Same thing with Madrid Stefano and puskas are still miles ahead of him in greatness. Same thing with barca legend cruyff. Penalso ain't shit compared to this nuggets not to talk messi nd pele. Just Google greatest footballer of all time and you will see the verdicts

I am confident we will still hump Madrid tomorrow at the benebeu

Bros, make we no decieve ourselves! Ronaldo surpassed eusebio a long time.