paxonel:

The title is the summary, but at the end of the post i mentioned that.
Whether what the bible says is true or not, it is reasonable to to say let it is be so, because the promise of life after death is a good promise.

It's like someone promise you that a good gift is somewhere for you. You can only access the gift only when you believe it is true that the gift is there.

And you are doubting even when you are not 100% sure whether what the person is saying is true.
Is there wisdom there?
Be sincere

paxonel:
What's Pascal wanger whatever?? Explain

hopefulLandlord:


a promise being good to you and you wishing it were true does not make it true
I deposited 35,000,000,000 into your account, you'll access the money when you believe it hard enough

There are flying pigs that said they'll fly next week and incinerate anyone who doesn't believe they exist with their fire, better believe it so you do don't get turned to ashes

does that make flying pigs convincing?

paxonel:

In christianity you don't need to bet what you already have.
You have your life to enjoy, but……

thoth:

Bleep! what's wrong with this guy ? What life do you HAVE to enjoy as a Christian ? Christians don't even have a life!
if i am a Christian then i am already dead cus am no longer living, what kind of odd is that ? Jeeesu!
if you have this kind of odd in bet9ja will you play it ?

paxonel:

You are not being realistic in your acertion.
Your ticket go cast o,
The saying that christians do not have life on their own but the life of God implies that God gave us the life to live for him. That means our lives are meant to create positive impact on earth, not that christians don't have life.

If i don't have life who is now responding to you?
Ghost?

Can ghost type on nairaland?

paxonel:

What's Pascal wanger whatever??
Explain

paxonel:

You may call it imagination.

But it is far more than real. We can't see spirits does not mean that they do not exist.

God exist!

I have seen his miracles before, including his prophecies of the bible which was written years ago being fulfilled today, something no one can explain.

So, it's beyond mere imagination

paxonel:

You may call it imagination.
But it is far more than real. We can't see spirits does not mean that they do not exist.
God exist!
I have seen his miracles before, including his prophecies of the bible which was written years ago being fulfilled today, something no one can explain.
So, it's beyond mere imagination

Lucasiangrey:
hmmm...you believe that someday,stars will "fall unto the earth".(rev 6:12-14). ?

hopefulLandlord:

I call it a "claim" another logic fail if we go with this, let's see.....
We can't see flying pigs does not mean that they do not exist.

We can't see Bigfoots does not mean that they do not exist.

We can't see dragons does not mean that they do not exist. those entities up there exists too...

please, tell us those prophesies being fulfilled today that hadn't been fulfilled beforehmmmmm

1Sharon:


You gon learn today

paxonel:

I don't believe that!
Are stars smaller than the earth?
Certainly, churches are misinterpreting revelation 6.
That's not what it meant

thoth:
you see why i stay away from Christians cus when they try to scam you and it didn't they will try to take by force from you. My life belongs to me and given to my by anybody.
How will you that i have a life and then in the same statement tell me that i don't have a life cus it belongs to someone ?so if someone doesn't want to give his life to Christ you guys will forcefully claim it, just like that ?
Christianity remains the biggest scam on earth.
there's nothing positive about the Christians, sorry o.

paxonel:

When i say God exist, i meant in the spirit realm not in this physical world. Now, that is beyond imagination. Like i say, there are evidences which are miracles and religion.

But you can't categorize flying pigs, dragons, bigfoots, etc as spirits simply because you have never seen them before. If what you have never seen before is not having any impact on earth how then do you know they exist?
It's not possible.

But again, God is having great impacts on earth. That's why religions have been in existence as long as the history of mankind

Christianity came on board approximately 2000 years ago starting with just 120 adherents. Within just only 2000 years billions of adherents are found all over the world.

Now,thats fulfillment of a prophecy of the bible.

You remember the error of Galeleo involving the Roman catholic?
It did not stop christianity from growing.

How about Charles Darwin's postulates?
They only help us to know more, they didn't stop the growth of christianity and impacts of God on earth.

I bet you, so many moral codes used by athiests today were gotten from the bible.

So..

Lucasiangrey:
why should a book inspired by a perfect god be controversial?...are u a christian as a result of believing in the bible Or you are a christian,so you have to(must) believe in the bible?.

hopefulLandlord:

I'm just humouring you right now

There are NO evidence the spiritual exists either
I'll just pretend you didn't say the above cuz its too illogical and self defeating

this is bad presentation, you should've cited the verse(s) that predicted Christianity would have billions of adherents
I'm yet to see the relevance of these

don't even go there or I'll go nuclear on you, never talk about the moral argument with me, you'll wish you didn't
so?

paxonel:

I have seen it, i have learnt.
Is it not the mathematician who developed the Pascal triangle used to solve complex polynomials?

hopefulLandlord:

I'm afraid this thinking is also extremely flawed

first off, Pascal's wager creates a False Dichotomy by assuming its "Christianity" vs "Atheism" but a simple look at religion generally shows that's not the case

the wager pretends the abrahamic god is the only god but we know there are huge number of god claims around the world and many of them have afterlife claims of their own

secondly, the god Christians claim to serve, Abrahamic god" has 3 major religions (islam Judaism Christianity) attached to it, each claiming to be the true religion and all others are wrong and each with afterlife claims

Thirdly, even Christianity has thousands of sects, each claiming to be right and many claiming others are wrong and are doomed to hell, so your bet is not as clear cut as the "win-win" you're touting

I don't have enough time to say much more but I like ending posts like this by telling everyone not be coerced into choosing a belief out of fear cuz whichever one you chose can still lead to hell

Pascal's wager actually proves a god created by man exists as its simply based on wishful thinking

Lucasiangrey:
why should a book inspired by a perfect god be controversial?...are u a christian as a result of believing in the bible Or you are a christian,so you have to(must) believe in the bible?.

paxonel:

That's your own personal opinion, perhaps based from your experiences.
But it's not all that may have your kind of experiences.
No one is forcing anyone to believe this modern day again.
We believe because we did not create ourselves. Certainly, we will die someday, something we can't control.

May be you can control yours, you can stop yourself from dying when the day comes that's why you are saying your life belongs to you

paxonel:

That's your own personal opinion, perhaps based from your experiences.
But it's not all that may have your kind of experiences.
No one is forcing anyone to believe this modern day again.
We believe because we did not create ourselves. Certainly, we will die someday, something we can't control.

May be you can control yours, you can stop yourself from dying when the day comes that's why you are saying your life belongs to you

Zither:


True talk but tell me…how many scientists have died and resurrected and mentioned that they witnessed Allah or Zeus or Diana or other gods besides the Christian God in the afterlife? There are many documented reports of atheists having out of body experiences but tell me how many of them have reported seeing Krishna, Buddha, or Ra?

There are thousands of gods being worshipped on earth but you cannot successfully convince yourself that the Christian God of Abraham has not made His existence known to you in so many ways such that you lack any reasonable or valid excuse to doubt Him.

Simply, there are thousands of gods who lack a single living or dead witness of their existence, but there is a God who has thousands and thousands of witnesses that have reported seeing HIm in the afterlife with medical documents to backup their reports as authentic.

Your excuse of a thousand gods on earth will only be valid when you give us proof of people who have witnessed them.

What is the factor that characterizes the worldwide witness of the Christian God by people all over the world including kids from the tender ages of four (when their minds are still free of influence of opinion) and above but appears to be absent with all other gods?

If there are truly other gods as the atheists are wont to quote as excuse for their lack of belief, what scientific proof do this gods have for their existence as the Christian God has?

The Bible says that God "…sits above the circle of the earth." If it had said anything that is not consistent with the shape of the earth atheists would have consistently used it to support their claim that the Christian God is a figment of imagination. However, their silence regarding this verse is deafening. If this verse was made centuries ago when science was still in its cradle, before the debate of the earth's shape, is this not one among unarguable proofs that there is one true God - the Christian God? What other so-called gods there be have made such mind boggling truth that science cannot deny?

thoth:
I hate hypocrisy, not because it results in double standards but because it stinks,
How many of those who claim to witness the Christian God can prove to us that they really witnessed it ?
So after smoking a kilo of weed and i woke up the next day and say that i saw God in my dream you will believe me ? ofcourse any christian would for they are not known for logical reasoning.
Now turn this situation around and i proclaim that i witnessed Vishnu and the Christians will call me a liar.(Double Standards).
Let those that claim to have seen god come and prove it for us. I saw Fela last night, who did you saw ?

paxonel:

First, I'm a christian because i was born into a christian home.
But I still have to read the bible to confirm what i was told by my parents and pastors, some of which i soon discover that they were not true.

The fault is not from the bible, but from what i was told by humans who were trying to interprete the bible to their own understanding.

I have to discard the ones i saw that they were not true and maintain the ones that are true.

The same thing applies to your atheism too. There are ideas in your athiesm that are faulty, you will have to discard them.
And that will require you being very objective

milkymesh:
Wow. I'm so proud of you. You see, most religious people suspend their brain.
You just gave me a perfect food for thought.
Thank you

Zither:


True talk but tell me…how many scientists have died and resurrected and mentioned that they witnessed Allah or Zeus or Diana or other gods besides the Christian God in the afterlife? There are many documented reports of atheists having out of body experiences but tell me how many of them have reported seeing Krishna, Buddha, or Ra?

There are thousands of gods being worshipped on earth but you cannot successfully convince yourself that the Christian God of Abraham has not made His existence known to you in so many ways such that you lack any reasonable or valid excuse to doubt Him.

Simply, there are thousands of gods who lack a single living or dead witness of their existence, but there is a God who has thousands and thousands of witnesses that have reported seeing HIm in the afterlife with medical documents to backup their reports as authentic.

Your excuse of a thousand gods on earth will only be valid when you give us proof of people who have witnessed them.

What is the factor that characterizes the worldwide witness of the Christian God by people all over the world including kids from the tender ages of four (when their minds are still free of influence of opinion) and above but appears to be absent with all other gods?

If there are truly other gods as the atheists are wont to quote as excuse for their lack of belief, what scientific proof do this gods have for their existence as the Christian God has?

The Bible says that God "…sits above the circle of the earth." If it had said anything that is not consistent with the shape of the earth atheists would have consistently used it to support their claim that the Christian God is a figment of imagination. However, their silence regarding this verse is deafening. If this verse was made centuries ago when science was still in its cradle, before the debate of the earth's shape, is this not one among unarguable proofs that there is one true God - the Christian God? What other so-called gods there be have made such mind boggling truth that science cannot deny?

Lucasiangrey:
you are very fortunate you came from a christian family ...congrats...I just feel sorry for those that are from a Muslim family , since they most likely will act like you ;"read the quran , discern the seeming truth from the lies , discard the lies and go with the truth and hence smartly become a muslim"...Or what do you think? .....By the way , how did you get to the conclusion that I am an atheist?...what are the faulty ideas in atheism ?.

thoth:
Don't try to individualize a social problem, Americans do this a lot and now Christians too, I am not the primary factor that decides the validity of your claim, rather every individual really wants to do what the Christians abhor, hence they threaten one with hell fire.

we did not create ourselves..fact. Christians can't prove how God created us...fact, Christians die same way atheists and pagans die......another fact.
Now who is trying to scam who ?

paxonel:

Thanks!!

And, sorry for referring to you as and atheist if you are not one.

Atheism agrees they do not know everything, yet they strongly oppose that God exist as if they are 100% sure.

Not that they have some holy book that link to some spirits which tells them what to believe, but they based their assertion on physical methologies, scientific experimentation and human reasoning and experiences.
meanwhile the God they are trying to probe it existence through these physical methods is a spirit which do not appear in a physical form but lives in man.
This kind of experimentation, human experiences and reasoning leads to falsehood when it comes to whether people should be idealists or materialists.

However, i do not dispute that scientific experimentation, human reasoning and experiences do help humans through knowledge and understanding undertake the right decisions in life, all I'm saying is, their relevance are limited to only this physical life and our five senses.