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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by daveP(m): 11:46am On Dec 26, 2017
Why cant they simply groom, ginger up what we currently have? yeah the gloves are large to fit, but the gk department is the only one that relies majorly on confidence. Imagine what drilling can do for the goalies we currently have prior to the wc? Twil go a long long way. Cos as much as i was on Vincent's side for all that happened, i'm getting fed up with no visible progress on his comeback. What if he agrees 2months to game 1, and gets an injury in/or before camp? Let's begin to do stuff that can bring colossal outcome in 140days please for the gks we have.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:47am On Dec 26, 2017
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Did they score from it?

Brace up, Ezenwa is on the plane to Russia.

The Algerians created chances from it and if Ezenwa is in goal for us in the World Cup, I will call any opposing coaching crew ignorant who do not exploit that weakness after studying that tape. That will be a recipe for thrashing us.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:47am On Dec 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Did you not see what the Algerians did? They noticed this weakness of Ezenwa and exploited it. So good was their execution they made Ezenwa look average.

Underrating the role is sending weak keepers in the name of experience over keepers who have better qualities to bring to the table.

If Rohr would be comfortable with Alampasu, Uzoho, Ajiboye and co on that ur list why would he be eager to have Enyeama back?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:50am On Dec 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


The Algerians created chances from it and if Ezenwa is in goal for us in the World Cup, I will call any opposing coaching crew who do not exploit that weakness after studying that tape. That will be a recipe for thrashing us.

Do you know dealing with crosses was also Peter Rufai's problem?

Most of the goals he conceded were headers.
Enyeama had that problem at a point in time but worked on it. That is why we have goalkeeper trainers.

You don't flood your goal keeping department for the World Cup with Rookies.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:50am On Dec 26, 2017
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If Rohr would be comfortable with Alampasu, Uzoho, Ajiboye and co on that ur list why would he be eager to have Enyeama back?

I am also eager for Enyeama to come back and become part of the pool of our keepers. However, that should be on Enyeama's terms. Not us begging him to come back. Also, as long as the screening is fair and without bias, and the best mounts the goal, if it is Enyeama, Good.

If Enyeama does not want to come back, we should not cry a river. We brace up, screen out the best three and select the best to keep in goal.

Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:52am On Dec 26, 2017
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Do you know dealing with crosses was also Peter Rufai's problem?

Most of the goals he conceded were headers.
Enyeama had that problem at a point in time but worked on it. That is why we have goalkeeper trainers.

You don't flood your goal keeping department for the World Cup with Rookies.

You are making my point for me. Carrying a goalkeeper with World experience with weaknesses result in thrashing. Why are you eager for us to go with that same recipe and expect a different result?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:54am On Dec 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


I am also eager for Enyeama to come back and become part of the pool of our keepers. However, that should be on Enyeama's terms. Not us begging him to come back. Also, as long as the screening is unfair and bias, and the best mounts the goal, if it is Enyeama, Good.

If Enyeama does not want to come back, we should not cry a river. We brace up, screen out the best three and select the best to keep in goal.

Finito.

Of course we all want the best that can do the job.

But note that selecting a "Best" keeper" is not as straight as selecting a "Best striker".
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:54am On Dec 26, 2017
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Do you know dealing with crosses was also Peter Rufai's problem?

Most of the goals he conceded were headers.
Enyeama had that problem at a point in time but worked on it. That is why we have goalkeeper trainers.

You don't flood your goal keeping department for the World Cup with Rookies.

I say, do not flood the team with Rookies or experience keepers. Flood the team with the best goalkeepers among the bunch we have,whether rookie or experienced.

Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:55am On Dec 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


You are making my point for me. Carrying a goalkeeper with World experience with weaknesses result in thrashing. Why are you eager for us to go with that same recipe and expect a different result.

Do you know Uzoho's weaknesses?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:57am On Dec 26, 2017
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Of course we all want the best that can do the job.

But note that selecting a "Best" keeper" is not as straight as selecting a "Best striker".

Why? Because we are used to using mediocre terms like Experience and team harmony to justify selecting poor choices ahead of better ones?

That is what led Peter Rufai to our goal and let in flogging.

The best is the best. There are drills and routines to find out the best. Test them out with scrimmage games and select the best quality with limited weaknesses.

If Agu can not do the job, he should honorably resign.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:04pm On Dec 26, 2017
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Do you know Uzoho's weaknesses?


So far, I have not pinpointed any but I have pinpointed that of Ezenwa. Clearly Uzoho is a better and stronger option with respect to dealing with aerial threats.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:08pm On Dec 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Why? Because we are used to using mediocre terms like Experience and team harmony to justify selecting poor choices ahead of better ones?

That is what led Peter Rufai to our goal and let in flogging.

The best is the best. There are drills and routines to find out the best. Test them out with scrimmage games and select the best quality with limited weaknesses.

If Agu can not do the job, he should honorably resign.

Peter Rufai was the only available credible option after Ike pulled out due to injury and Baruwa made a mess of himself. Are you sure you watched Rufai during his playing days?

You and this your drills. Haha. You make me laugh.

Goalkeeper selection is a lot more complicated than selecting an outfield player.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:10pm On Dec 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


So far, I have not pinpointed any but I have pinpointed that of Ezenwa. Clearly Uzoho is a better and stronger option with respect to dealing with aerial threats.

Aha! because Uzoho has not been tested. But you have seen the best and worst of Ezenwa.

I don't have anything against Uzoho but he is not tested enough to get my nod.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:12pm On Dec 26, 2017
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Peter Rufai was the only available credible option after Ike pulled out due to injury and Baruwa made a mess of himself. Are you sure you watched Rufai during his playing days?

You and this your drills. Haha. You make me laugh.

Goalkeeper selection is a lot more complicated than selecting an outfield player.

How the heck did we send a keeper based on his yesteryears performances and expect his experience will save us? That was ridiculous. Your still playing that card. Did I watch him in his better playing days? That was not the issue. Was he suitable and ready than the loads of young keepers we had? People played the herculean card of the World Cup and we got embarrassed.

We had to screen and select the best after injuries knocked out Baruwa and Ike. Are you telling me there were no other choices in all the leagues in Nigeria and overseas than a knocked up Peter Rufai. Based on experience.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:15pm On Dec 26, 2017
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Aha! because Uzoho has not been tested. But you have seen the best and worst of Ezenwa.

I don't have anything against Uzoho but he is not tested enough to get my nod.

Ezenwa's weakness is a clear one. Maybe that is why he has not been a regular, even in his local club. It is big. It is stupid for an opposing coach not to exploit Ezenwa's weakness. Uzoho on the other hand is good in the air. That makes him a better candidate, unless you have seen a weakness.

I am not even asking for Uzoho to get a free pass. I want Alampasu and Ajiboye also unfairly screened and the very best among our quality keepers to go. Not some bias selection based on experience.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 12:20pm On Dec 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Can you give your reason why you think Chidiebere Nwakali's invitation was not justified?
hi bro hope you enjoyed your Christmas I know you directed the question at Kog but let me give my own opinion. For me nwakali's invitation was not justified not because he doesn't have potential but he hasn't done enough to warrant a call up. I felt his performances and not the country or club he played in per se were not up to scratch. In my opinion players ahead of him like Sokari (he has been invited now), joel obi (admittedly he was injured at the time), ifeanyi Matthew, his brother k.nwakali even ajagun should have been called before him.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:24pm On Dec 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Ezenwa's weakness is a clear one. Maybe that is why he has not been a regular, even in his local club. It is big. It is stupid for an opposing coach not to exploit Ezenwa's weakness. Uzoho on the other hand is good in the air. That makes him a better candidate, unless you have seen a weakness.

I am not even asking for Uzoho to get a free pass. I want Alampasu and Ajiboye also unfairly screened and the very best among our quality keepers to go. Not some bias selection based on experience.

How many of Uzoho's games have you watched to conclude he is better in the air? Is it because of his height? Peter Rufai even despite his height struggled with Aerial duels.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:30pm On Dec 26, 2017
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How many of Uzoho's games have you watched to conclude he is better in the air? Is it because of his height? Peter Rufai even despite his height struggled with Aerial duels

I already made a clear statement on this. Against Argentina, we saw Uzoho's strength and quality in the air. If you like give Ezenwa hundred games, he can not have that aerial strength.

Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 12:30pm On Dec 26, 2017
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How many of Uzoho's games have you watched to conclude he is better in the air? Is it because of his height? Peter Rufai even despite his height struggled with Aerial duels.



ehn, that's why we are saying they should play him in more friendlies now. Against Argentina he showed that he was good in the air, not once did the fumble with any cross, there was no scramble for any loose balls, nothing of that sort.

So, there are glimpses that he is probably better with it and the fact that he has 8 clean sheets in 11 games also shows he is probably good with crosses because many must have come at him in those games he kept clean sheets.

Let Uzoho start against Poland in March, we will get to see more by then, but don't throw him away because he hasn't been playing for 10 years. De Gea and Courtois haven't been playing as many years as so many older goalies, but they are great at their jobs already

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:35pm On Dec 26, 2017
chrisooblog:
hi bro hope you enjoyed your Christmas I know you directed the question at Kog but let me give my own opinion. For me nwakali's invitation was not justified not because he doesn't have potential but he hasn't done enough to warrant a call up. I felt his performances and not the country or club he played in per se were not up to scratch. In my opinion players ahead of him like Sokari (he has been invited now), joel obi (admittedly he was injured at the time), ifeanyi Matthew, his brother k.nwakali even ajagun should have been called before him.


That is the problem a lot of people are making with respect to Chidiebere Nwakali's invitation. They have midfielders they want to play the role and want players from glorified leagues.

Newsflash; we lack players with the attributes of Onazi who are playing in glorified leagues.

The names of players you listed there are not naturally defensive midfielders. They will hardly get picked to play the defensive midfield role ahead of players who play that role naturally.

Also, Chidiebere Nwakali is one of the few DMF's we have who rely on pace than positioning. Also he can play as a right back. These are qualities he has that the names you listed above do not have. This is why I feel he got the call to join in camp to get a closer look. Unless you have players that fit in the attributes I ticked, I do not see how anyone will say Chidiebere Nwakali invitation is unjustified.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 12:36pm On Dec 26, 2017
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Of course we all want the best that can do the job.

But note that selecting a "Best" keeper" is not as straight as selecting a "Best striker".

I see u are trying to drag this ur "not there yet" philosophy into our keeping department
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:37pm On Dec 26, 2017
safarigirl:
ehn, that's why we are saying they should play him in more friendlies now. Against Argentina he showed that he was good in the air, not once did the fumble with any cross, there was no scramble for any loose balls, nothing of that sort.

So, there are glimpses that he is probably better with it and the fact that he has 8 clean sheets in 11 games also shows he is probably good with crosses because many must have come at him in those games he kept clean sheets.

Let Uzoho start against Poland in March, we will get to see more by then, but don't throw him away because he hasn't been playing for 10 years. De Gea and Courtois haven't been playing as many years as so many older goalies, but they are great at their jobs already



I am not throwing him away. I am not just convinced. That's all.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:38pm On Dec 26, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


How the heck did we send a keeper based on his yesteryears performances and expect his experience will save us? That was ridiculous. Your still playing that card. Did I watch him in his better playing days? That was not the issue. Was he suitable and ready than the loads of young keepers we had? People played the herculean card of the World Cup and we got embarrassed.

We had to screen and select the best after injuries knocked out Baruwa and Ike. Are you telling me there were no other choices in all the leagues in Nigeria and overseas than a knocked up Peter Rufai. Based on experience.

I guess you know better than Bora Milutinovic then.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 12:38pm On Dec 26, 2017
Humility017:

the udeze that said...it is for men...
what did he play for Nigeria at the world cup?
anybody can open their mouth to talk words all because they're ex-internationals people will begin to see those words as authority.


Lol, chai

Bros you made my day. Very funny

Don't mind them. They took them there and they choked, woefully I must add.

Hopefully, our boys in Russia 2018 will perform far better
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 12:39pm On Dec 26, 2017
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Peter Rufai was the only available credible option after Ike pulled out due to injury and Baruwa made a mess of himself. Are you sure you watched Rufai during his playing days?

You and this your drills. Haha. You make me laugh.

Goalkeeper selection is a lot more complicated than selecting an outfield player.
I disagree sir rufai wasn't the only good option we had then. Godwin okpara was doing well for Orlando pirates but he wasn't given a chance to prove himself. I'm also sure there were other good talented home based keepers

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by darkelf: 12:40pm On Dec 26, 2017
Humility017:

since you guys are clamouring for martins...
better we invite all the available old men.

still scouting if there is still any...besides this two....so we can all deliberate on it...if possible rohr invites them all....

Ohhh my God

Your words are jocular today ooo
cheesy grin grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:41pm On Dec 26, 2017
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I have been waiting for people to role out names like Owen, Ronaldo, Pele and co who competed as teenagers at the World Cup. But look at those names again. They are no mediocre names in football.
And they are all forwards and not Goalies or defenders.

If Uzoho was a De' Gea or Courtious at their teenages no problems. Do you know the weight of responsibility that follows being a Word Cup goalie for an under dog like Nigeria? Since after the late 90s Nigeria ceased to be a Super power and mostly under dogs in any games we played in the WC.
Until we beat Bosnia in 2014 the last WC game we won was against Bulgaria in 1998.
Go look at the statistics of the number of saves made by both Ike and Enyeama for each game from 2002 WC to 2014WC. The only game in our last 3 WC that we were on the front foot from start to finish was against Iran. The other games we were mostly under heavy attacks and our goalkeepers saved the day for us. Even winning MOTM even despite defeats.
Believe it or not we are still under dogs. In the game against Croatia I expect them to be the more offensive side with numerous shots on goal. We would be counting on quick counters on that game.
I don't know how you guys come to have confidence in Uzoho. I don't trust that guy yet.
Your analysis is deep but the thing is ezenwa doesn't give us much to hold on to.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:41pm On Dec 26, 2017
BascoVanVeli:


I see u are trying to drag this ur "not there yet" philosophy into our keeping department

Hahaha.

Time will tell.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:45pm On Dec 26, 2017
Mujtahida:

Your analysis is deep but the thing is ezenwa doesn't give us much to hold on to.

That is why we need Enyeama and not Uzoho.

Rohr is hopeful Enyeama will rescind his decision so why should we write Enyeama off already?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 12:52pm On Dec 26, 2017
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I have been waiting for people to role out names like Owen, Ronaldo, Pele and co who competed as teenagers at the World Cup. But look at those names again. They are no mediocre names in football.
And they are all forwards and not Goalies or defenders.

If Uzoho was a De' Gea or Courtious at their teenages no problems. Do you know the weight of responsibility that follows being a Word Cup goalie for an under dog like Nigeria? Since after the late 90s Nigeria ceased to be a Super power and mostly under dogs in any games we played in the WC.
Until we beat Bosnia in 2014 the last WC game we won was against Bulgaria in 1998.
Go look at the statistics of the number of saves made by both Ike and Enyeama for each game from 2002 WC to 2014WC. The only game in our last 3 WC that we were on the front foot from start to finish was against Iran. The other games we were mostly under heavy attacks and our goalkeepers saved the day for us. Even winning MOTM even despite defeats.
Believe it or not we are still under dogs. In the game against Croatia I expect them to be the more offensive side with numerous shots on goal. We would be counting on quick counters on that game.
I don't know how you guys come to have confidence in Uzoho. I don't trust that guy yet.
I'm still surprised at the confidence people have at the rookie keeper after just 45min of football and he wasn't really tested. though the other alternatives have not really covered their selves in glory, but we shouldn't just conclude that Uzoho is definitely the best of the rest. I remember Abiodun Baruwa had lots of supporters prior to the 98 world cup, people already believed he'll be our number one, but it took just one game to expose his flaws and off he went, not sure he ever played for SE again. people clamouring for him should just calm down and let's see him in high profile games especially the game against Lewandoski and gang.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:56pm On Dec 26, 2017
chrisooblog:
I disagree sir rufai wasn't the only good option we had then. Godwin okpara was doing well for Orlando pirates but he wasn't given a chance to prove himself. I'm also sure there were other good talented home based keepers

William Okpara you mean.

William never impressed in the national colours.
He was not even in the national team radar at that time. You remember his outing at the 1987 WYC?

The other keeper was Wilfred Agbonivbare. This one too, we know his nick name to be Agbonibasket those days. That guy na basket. May his soul RIP

Ike Shoromu was out injured and it was time for Abiodun Baruwa to show the stuff he was made of after missing out on the 1996 Olympics party due to age discrepancy. But he made some calamitous errors especially against Yugoslavia. And we got whipped 3-0 in Zagreb, Yugoslavia. We followed that game with a 5-1 thumping by the Netherlands.

The coaching crew led by Bora Milutinovic found no local league keeper capable for stepping into those gloves and rather preferred to recall Rufai.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:58pm On Dec 26, 2017
jihday:
I'm still surprised at the confidence people have at the rookie keeper after just 45min of football and he wasn't really tested. though the other alternatives have not really covered their selves in glory, but we shouldn't just conclude that Uzoho is definitely the best of the rest. I remember Abiodun Baruwa had lots of supporters prior to the 98 world cup, people already believed he'll be our number one, but it took just one game to expose his flaws and off he went, not sure he ever played for SE again. people clamouring for him should just calm down and let's see him in high profile games especially the game against Lewandoski and gang.

That is the trend. It is the untested player that is often concluded to be the best here.

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