A40:
^^
I'm sure the analyst meant Kroos plays well when the team is playing well


That isn't what you said! You claimed Bayern was butchering the league and making it weaker so i'm asking is Keylor Navas leaving Levante to Real strengthening the league? Did you strengthen the league when you snatched Rakitic and Mathieu from Seville and Valencia?

Your old coach sabotaged us against Madrid with his asinine tactics. Even with a weaker team under Heynckes we advanced. The last WC clearly showed this! And to think some Barca fans are actually giving Guardiola huge credit for Die Mannschaft's success. Its disrespectful

I disagree with your conclusion

Eruditor:
Ollah 1,

Your level of tolerance is commendable. I have a lot to learn from you. I digress...

In the eyes of those who like Chelsea, adore Mou and those in Manchester that he turned down, he is a failure.

They have 1 reason to say so, and they will clutch onto it for dear life. There's no point trying to convince them otherwise, as a Lion was created to eat flesh. In otherwords, it is in their nature.

Pep will continue to be treated on the side because history needs naysayers to strike a balance. Even if Pep had won a treble with Bayern (I mean the UCL inclusive because he won 4 trophies his first season) they would have said he wasn't special because Jupp had already done it. If he had won it by beating everyone else 5goals per game, it would've been the same conclusion. So don't expect them to change their opinions now that he was KOed in his 4th consecutive Semis (adding his last season with Barca). For some of them it is light banter, and for others, sheer hatred because when he is juxtaposed with their beloved, he defecates on him- a man who was fully on his way to relegating previous champs.

As an admirer of him, I wished he delivered the UCL to Bayern because a great majority of the fans and executives alike believed in him and wanted him to stay. It will probably haunt him for years, but then again it might be the motivation he needs to succeed at City.

At the end of the day, he is taking over a City side that are 13pts behind the champs, 4th on the log, lacking in confidence, Carling cup champs as well as in the semis of the UCL. So that posterity will judge those who will later claim that anything he achieves there could have been achieved by anybody else.

What am I even saying? They will still conclude that.

Good piece

chic2pimp:


What matters to you and the actual reality are two different things. Yorky and Neville in 1999 were DEFINITELY not average.

The internet never keeps a secret I hope you are now eating back your words ?

Nihilist:
Bundesliga was founded in 1963.

Bayern has won the league 24 times times. The clubs with the next highest number of bundesliga wins and are still plying their trade in the same league are Gladbach and Dortmund with 5 wins apiece.

I think it goes without saying that winning the league with Bayern is not an 'achievement'.

The only place Bayern can 'achieve' is in Europe, and on that front, Pep has failed...3 times in a row like Tk n Cash.

This is not an 'opinion. It is a cold hard fact.

Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, president of the executive committee, starts off by announcing the club’s objectives: ‘For us, the most important title is the Bundesliga because it represents 34 matches. The highest prize as always is the Champions League, but it is a competition where there are no guarantees and the things you take for granted in domestic football don’t always work


That's an excerpt from pep Guardiola's book and I bet you don't know more than Karl himself who sees league triumph as an achievement.

weedtaker:
ancelotti 'll take dis same bayern team to de ucL finals.

The weed taker!

sebod:



The weed taker!

LOL.

I read all the exchanges again courtesy popizaino's reminder and I have been laughing hysterically.

The internet never forgets.

Eruditor:


LOL.

I read all the exchanges again courtesy popizaino's reminder and I have been laughing hysterically.

The internet never forgets.

Have you seen my post on the Chelsea thread where someone was trying to prove that city has the best players. A first eleven with no CL winner, no balon dor, no fifpro, no member of the first eleven was a regular on a world cup winning eleven, no pfa winner etc yet how does he have the best players

Eruditor:


LOL.

I read all the exchanges again courtesy popizaino's reminder and I have been laughing hysterically.

The internet never forgets.

We were probably going through it same time. Immediately I got to that post and remembered how Carloti was fired, I couldn't hold it any longer.

pkasso:

I think you are getting something wrong here. I have nothing against Kane. He's clearly the best striker in the EPL. The only problem is you claiming he is the best in the world. The phrase you should have used is ' the most in-form striker'. There is form, and there is class. Class or quality trumps form. CR7 is clearly not in top form but does that mean he is not one of the top 2 players in the world?

I'm sorry, where did I insult you again? Now you are the one acting like a kid. I'm just gonna let this slide. Harry Kane is a fantastic footballer and I actually enjoy watching him play but the truth is Lewandowski is better.

Harry Kane has proven them wrong again.

I repeat, Harry Kane is the best striker in the world. If it wasn't for the injury lay off of five weeks, he would have scored more.

FastShipping:


Harry Kane has proven them wrong again.

I repeat, Harry Kane is the best striker in the world. If it wasn't for the injury lay off of five weeks, he would have scored more.

LOL. Kane hits back-to-back hat-tricks and you happen to finally find your voice after all this while. Timing couldn't be any better . Whatever makes you sleep at night, man. I'm not wasting my time on a back-and-forth argument with u.

raumdeuter:


Have you seen my post on the Chelsea thread where someone was trying to prove that city has the best players. A first eleven with no CL winner, no balon dor, no fifpro, no member of the first eleven was a regular on a world cup winning eleven, no pfa winner etc yet how does he have the best players

I saw it and nobody could refute it.

I just saw the pass Pogba gave to Rashford now with his left, and I thought to myself how similar Pogba could have been to KDB under the right manager. Funny enough, Pep courted Pogba and Pog wanted to play under him but the money at the time was too much.

Funny enough, same people who say he is winning because of the best squad, with the same hands type that he does not do much when his squad is not the best. Which means, Pep did not do well last season because he did not have the best players and is doing well now because he does.

Which is really funny when we consider he has basically the same team with only Walker and Ederson being the "new" additions.

Like I said even in May 2016, when Pep wins they will revert to say he bought players or he had the best. And when he does not, they either say he is a fraud who could not use the best players well, or that he does not do much without worldclass players.

sebod:

We were probably going through it same time. Immediately I got to that post and remembered how Carloti was fired, I couldn't hold it any longer.

Someone even said Simeone will do better with Bayern.

pkasso:
LOL. Kane hits back-to-back hat-tricks and you happen to finally find your voice after all this while. Timing couldn't be any better . Whatever makes you sleep at night, man. I'm not wasting my time on a back-and-forth argument with u.

He did it twice in 2016. He's the best #9 in the world. The last time I saw a great #9 as Kane was when Ronaldo de Lima Nazario was playing for Barcelona.

Kane is better than Lewadoski. Fact.

raumdeuter:


Have you seen my post on the Chelsea thread where someone was trying to prove that city has the best players. A first eleven with no CL winner, no balon dor, no fifpro, no member of the first eleven was a regular on a world cup winning eleven, no pfa winner etc yet how does he have the best players

am a chelsea, but I had to fight this battle on the football whatsapp group that I found myself in in defence of pep guardiola about what they claim he posses at city.i was always of the opinion that guardiola doesn't boast of such excellent players at man city as they make it always sound.infact ideally pep guardiola would have found it way easier in the epl if he had chosen chelsea ahead of mancity.

popizaino:
am a chelsea, but I had to fight this battle on the football whatsapp group that I found myself in in defence of pep guardiola about what they claim he posses at city.i was always of the opinion that guardiola doesn't boast of such excellent players at man city as they make it always sound.infact ideally pep guardiola would have found it way easier in the epl if he had chosen chelsea ahead of mancity.

Well said

popizaino:
The internet never keeps a secret I hope you are now eating back your words ?

What da Phuck?

Eruditor:


Someone even said Simeone will do better with Bayern.

Smh!

Atletico are back to Europa. If another coach had taken over and couldn't make it past the group stage, we would have been reading how he crashed out a final/semi/quarter finalist in grp stage.

sebod:

Smh!

Atletico are back to Europa. If another coach had taken over and couldn't make it past the group stage, we would have been reading how he crashed out a final/semi/quarter finalist in grp stage.

Ferguson won one treble in 1999 he never won another till he retired. If another coach had taken over after 99, we would have been told that if Ferguson stayed, he would have been winning trebles every season

raumdeuter:


Ferguson won one treble in 1999 he never won another till he retired. If another coach had taken over after 99, we would have been told that if Ferguson stayed, he would have been winning trebles every season

That's Epl fan boys' logic for you.

raumdeuter:


ROnaldo 3 CL final proved he has delivered at the biggest stages in the finals. That is what it has to do with anything

Terry was on the field for a final and he cost his team the trophy from his lethargic display to the lost penalty
CL semi Terry was once again disgraced off the field when he got himself red carded vs Barca and the team started to play better

Without Terry in the next final, the team won

Messi has delivered in a major final i.e CL, Ronaldo has delivered in a major final i.e CL, Boateng has delivered in major finals World cup and CL, Same with Ramos, Pique, Nesta, Maldini, Stam

Where has Terry delivered at the big stage? You get that right.. On the ballot box.

What a terrible excuse of a player

so how does the penalty miss overrule his entire performance on that night?

be unbiased on terry matter for once now.

popizaino:
so how does the penalty miss overrule his entire performance on that night?
be unbiased on terry matter for once now.

Unbiased Terry was useless on the night

Terry wasnt missing he was doing a good job escorting opposition attackers and roaming the field aimlessly
You think I am lying. See below Terry escorting Tevez from Half way yard until the Argentine got into the box and nodded the ball on target

[img]http:///media/11-17-2016/iVVyyK.gif[/img]

Another one. See that number 26 wandering aimlessly like a familiar spirit while his goal is threatened?
[img]http:///media/11-17-2016/DtaP8E.gif

raumdeuter:
Unbiased Terry was useless on the night

Terry wasnt missing he was doing a good job escorting opposition attackers and roaming the field aimlessly
You think I am lying. See below Terry escorting Tevez from Half way yard until the Argentine got into the box and nodded the ball on target

[img]http:///media/11-17-2016/iVVyyK.gif[/img]

Another one. See that number 26 wandering aimlessly like a familiar spirit while his goal is threatened?
[img]http:///media/11-17-2016/DtaP8E.gif

no offense meant but I think with your pictorial evidence you are just desperate to ridicule john terry which I can also do as well for Philip lahm you rate so high and any other player too. all in all no matter how you try to paint john terry so bad people who watched him closely will always know he and puyol was the yardstick to measure hood centre defenders in the last couple of years not even vidic.

popizaino:
no offense meant but I think with your pictorial evidence you are just desperate to ridicule john terry which I can also do as well for Philip lahm you rate so high and any other player too. all in all no matter how you try to paint john terry so bad people who watched him closely will always know he and puyol was the yardstick to measure hood centre defenders in the last couple of years not even vidic.

John Terry is a terrible player, a poor defender who tagged onto better partners

Phillip Lahm can point to a CL final he won on the field, Phillip Lahm can point to a world cup final which he played and won

What can Terry point to? The only CL final he won he did not play.

Puyol can point to a CL final world cup final he played, Terry was a Titus Bramble a disgrace him and Rio Ferdinand are the most overrated players ever

This is Terry roaming about aimlessly in a CL final while his goal was threatened

[img]https:///media/11-17-2016/DtaP8E.gif[/img]

Terry can never lace the shoelaces of Boateng

.....Airmark food don land o

raumdeuter:


John Terry is a terrible player, a poor defender who tagged onto better partners

Phillip Lahm can point to a CL final he won on the field, Phillip Lahm can point to a world cup final which he played and won

What can Terry point to? The only CL final he won he did not play.

Puyol can point to a CL final world cup final he played, Terry was a Titus Bramble a disgrace him and Rio Ferdinand are the most overrated players ever

This is Terry roaming about aimlessly in a CL final while his goal was threatened

[img]https:///media/11-17-2016/DtaP8E.gif[/img]

Terry can never lace the shoelaces of Boateng

U wan start war again.

I thought has schooled u and prove to u that botaemg is nowhere near klavan

Lordemperoris100:
U wan start war again.
I thought has schooled u and prove to u that botaemg is nowhere near klavan

If we add the number of CL and world cup Terry and Klavan won on the field. then multiply it by 700. Its still not equal to Boatank

chic2pimp:
.....Airmark food don lanod o

I don't understand.

Eruditor:


Sorry but this is patently false.

Yes, Jupp's team was balanced but he had 2 seasons before retiring and he won zilch in one and everything in the other.

Pep's philosophy cannot be useless when he has a better win percentage than any other manager you respect. Your all attack no defense jibe too is neither here nor there. Jupp's treble winning team scored 98 and conceded 18 to Pep's 94 (23). They won the same number of games (29) and the same win percentage (85.29). Pep maintained Jupp's success in the league.

(Bernat/Alaba), (Rafinha/Kimmich/Lahm), (Benatia/Hummels {was signed before Pep left}) (Coman/Ribery) (Douglas/ Robben)
(Vidal&Thiago/Alonso) etc etc. If another manager cannot use them he should have bought his own.

Terrible ageing team and signings is a myth. They defended Coman's scoring record here. Douglas was mega-productive under Pep. Time won't let me talk about Kimmich, Robben, Muller etc.

He left because a team that did not win the UCL since 2001 before 2013, now felt it was their exclusive right to win it every year after 2013. They brought a "better and balanced" manager to do magic and like the Great Lafayette he died playing his own tricks.

one love bro #nohomo

EvilMetahuman:
jupp had just 2 seasons, and he qualified for champions league final in one and won everything in the other. He also left a team that won bundle's liga 5 times in a row. (The longest bayern back to back bundles liga wins, if I'm not mistaken.)

Pep had 3 seasons but couldn't even reach just a final with same team that reached final 2 times a row.
How is this success exactly?

Having almost same number of wins or goals yet less success shows something is wrong somewhere.
If you do same thing over and over, you are expected to get the same result or at least very close enough result.
(Pep at barcelona or zidane at madrid for example. They dominated/dominating europe because they didn't mess up the winning team.)

Imagine after tiki taka all attack won champions league for pep at barcelona, he left and they brought in someone like pullis or mourinho that turns messi and iniesta into a defensive midfielder and send xavi to bench because he wasn't defending enough. won't that mess up the order of things?


pep He tinkered/experimented with a winning bayern team and left a pile of crap behind.
he used already cooked soup by jupp to increase his trophy's stat.

You do not expect ancelloti to just change every player and bring in every players he wanted in one swoop and in just a season do ya?


Can you say in all honesty that guardiola left what he met?

cut pep Guardiola's time at Bayern Munich some slack abeg!his predecessor time wasn't better than his time .jupp heckynes was only fortunate to met a barca lead by jordi roura whose only achievement prior to the semi final match was to lead a Spanish 3rd division to relegation .

Eruditor:


Again, if you have no facts don't speak.

Jupp stays one more season and replicates Pep's first season and everyone will call him the best ever tactician. Zidane did UCL back to back but nobody recalls his first season Enrique won a double.

You have not watched enough football to understand Pep's work in Bayern. The way Jupp is extolled one would think he won trebles back to back. The way his team improved in his subsequent seasons, Peps teams did too especially just before he left.

Bayern had serious fear factor under Pep. Teams feared Bayern. Last season and this present one, the difference was clear.

Don't mind them jare some of them just come to here to spew what they have no knowledge of.

Eruditor:
Jupp's team faced a strong Dortmund. Carlo's team faced Leipzig (lol) but Pep had it easy in the league according to him because Dortmund was on a downward slope. They did not add that Dortmund had 66pts in Jupp's last season and 80 in Pep's first time.

Did Jupp's team face the 2013/14 RM side? 2014/15 Barca side?
Both teams were on the up and were better than they were in 2011/12 and 2012/13.

Jupp had Ribery and Robben in their best shape possible. In Pep's time both players were ravaged with injuries in many key games. Yet they would say he had the same set of players Jupp had.

If we start showing them how imperfect Jupp was, they would say he is being denigrated. Same Jupp I said had the best ever Bayern season.

We are not hoodwinked. E no concern Jupp or Pep. Did Carlo fail? Yes he did. Take your L and use it to pleasure Lola.

Well said aside being the best have read in defence of pep guardiola

Eruditor:

Someone even said Simeone will do better with Bayern.

I swear that was the most ridiculous thing have ever read .