dubylhover:


exactly,but you do also know that "peps magic" didn't work on gotze who was unplayable under klopp

larride:


And even till now Stones and Delph re still not excellent players. Delph is playing because Mendy is out injured, before Mendy injured you won't see Delph at LB. Otamendi is City best CB not Stones so I don't get where this turning Stones into a world beater is coming from. The question is what exactly did Pep turn Stones into?

larride:


As at 2 season ago, Stones is one of the most rated young CB in the league, that's why the magician paid 50m quid for him. Chelsea wanted him, heck even some man Utd fans on this forum wanted him. so yes, 2 years ago I could have bought Stones if given the chances. Delph was both as a squad player and he's still a squad player. What Pep did to Delph is what Mou did to Young, no biggie.

That's how you guys were banding Otamendi as an average player turn good player under Pep when in fact Utd fought tooth and nail with City for his signature.

Yeye Dey smell.

Galileogalileo:
Nobody is disputing that neither I .... But what am saying is that a coach will only turn a player into gem or gold if the player have the mind set and attitude to do so

ctuagent007:


In order for them to win their argument, they the "real fans" said/claimed that Pep CHASED Zaba, Clithy, Sagba, Navas, Caballero, Nascrii, etc when I told them those players were out of contract, it changed to "if Pep was good he would have told those players to renew their contract."
But thank God for Google, (delph was bought for £35m) I told the real fans that Pep didn't renew their contracts that ended. Now the ball is in Mou's court, will he do as Pep did by not renewing Fellaini & Carrick's ending contract cos i dont want excuse again

CapitalCee:


It's not wholly truth, most I know liked Madrid even before the Ronaldo-Messi era.

dmcdad:

I'm telling you that most don't... At least from my own perspective. Infact, they have more reasons to hate Madrid more with the controversial win they got against you guys in Fergie's era, but yet, most still would choose Madrid over Barça for no just reason.

CapitalCee:


The same Pep that couldn't work with Zlatan who was unplayable everywhere he played including in Sweden.
Pep threw away Yaya toure who came to city and became world class. Every manager has there own Bleep up and high times

ctuagent007:



U can as well sleep on ur £50m john-stones or Sterling bed since ur points are equal to Mourinho's failurefailure this season. . .

I was here when nobody blamed the players but Moyes & Lvg but now that ur personal lord & saviour, Mou, who died on the cross & resurrected after 2 seasons is underperforming esp Burnley, it's been changed to "touch not my anointed for he washes away utd sins"

odizeey:
yaya was a gift to city.
Pep do things with yaya. The problem was that Busquet was there, and there can be only one captain in a ship.

CapitalCee:



That's my point, man u fans even before Ronaldo mostly prefer Madrid. Even before the champions league loss to Barca. But Madrid fans don't like man u. I think the table has turned now, Most united fans like Barca now and now is the perfect time for that given their forms. And with Barca playing shekpe in the UCL, their united Fan base will increase.

eph12:

When the team underachieved last season Pep was called Fraudiola

CapitalCee:
Ok . Pep is a the second coming of Jesus and Jose is a shit manager. Point taken.

dmcdad:

Honestly, for someone of Mourinho's calibre, he is acting cowardly. Ahswear!

eph12:
Pep was insulted last season for buying Stones 50 million, but now that the team is breaking grounds, the player has become Cannavaro and Nesta rolled into one while Pep is just fortunate to have such a great player

CapitalCee:

Ok sir . He is are you happy now?

dopeJemi:


we have bought the likes of Depay, bebe and zaha, so us fighting tooth and nail for Otamendi is no biggie

is it the same Stones that was mocked by almost everyone here when pep bought him for 50m? the same Stones we all used against Pep saying that he wanted a ball playing defender but got a defender that can neither defend or play ball or is there another one, do you want me to dig out people's post about stones last season?

so I guess we can put to bed the notion of Stones and Delph being excellent players and very few people would have wanted them in their clubs two seasons

dopeJemi:


My argument from the start has always been about Stones and Delph, Jones and Bailey are better than them Shaw is better than whoever is playing at LB for City currently

My point, we have a better defense than City but see where they are

dmcdad:

You're very correct. There was a consensus last season that Stone was overrated and overhyped. Infact, both haters and non-haters admitted that it was a wrong move Pep made. I was even thankful Barça dodged the bullet because we were in for him at the time too. And now, everyone is singing a different tune. They wanna say how he was world class prior... Ahh, people should just fear God na. Haba!

larride:


Well Stones and Delph are not City best defenders this season. Otamendi is better than both Jones and Bailey. Shaw is not a starter for us at the LB, it's Young. We don't have a better players defensively than City. Wherever City is at the moment is not because of their defense rather because of their attack and midfield.

dopeJemi:


Otamendi is not better than Bailey, "The best defense Vs the best attack" these were the words of the commentator in the We played City

Last season, we had the best defense, we conceded fewer goals, this season, when Bailey was fit and playing, we had the best defense and conceded fewer goals, it's no surprise that we are in shambles at the back

Our record at the back proves Bailey and Jones are better defenders than Otamendi and Stones

larride:


So you mean Barça was even interested in this same Stones we re talking about before Pep but it was Pep that turn him into a good player. Wow. Pep is indeed a magician. I guess it was Pep that was his manager at Everton when Barça were interested in him. You guys logic defiles reasoning walai.

CapitalCee:


Some people de do like women Allah

dmcdad:

You're being myopic! What we look for from a defender is different from what others look for. Would you have bought Bravo? Tell me! The same reason we bought him was why Pep bought him, because of his ball-playing ability. Does that make him world class because Barça were interested in him and eventually bought him? By your logic it's a yes, but that's absolutely wrong.

Don't get ahead of yourself. The reason we wanted him was the same reason Pep went for him, and not because he was world class. You just need to get over yourself and be realistic.

Ohh well... I guess Malcom is world class then since Man U are supposedly interested in him. Right? Smh...

patrickmuf:
A team of super stars and average players playing together as a unit in attack and defense (Man City) is better than a collection of super stars and some average players playing disjointed football relying more on individual brilliance (Man Utd)...
The movement of our players is poor, you don't see our full backs overlapping to draw defenders away from the wingers. Most times, Young passes the ball to Martial and stops like a spectator to watch how Martial will go past 2-3 defenders and when he can't, he passes back to Young and back the ball goes to Matic, back to Jones and we repeat the sequence again...
Mou needs to work on our passing and movement and our forward play in general...We defend too deep thus whenever we recover possession, it we can't hurt the opposition immediately compared to City who press high up the pitch where they can hurt you if the chance presents itself...
Sometimes I wonder why we can't press high up the pitch like Spurs/City/Pool or Chelsea who are improving in this aspect, our players are way too comfortable retreating back and Mou has to take responsibility to be honest.

adebayo201:




aye mi... see as them use person pikin do example. Chai! Deluded kokaineprodigy.

larride:


Don't wet your pant just yet my man. the crux of the matter here is that Stones is not an average player while at Everton. I never claimed Stones is world class except you are having another argument with yourself in your head.

I still maintain that Stones was a good and highly rated CB before his move to City. Modric was term a flop the very first season he joined Madrid, we all know how that's turning out now ain't we? Unless you want to claim that Modric is an average player while in Tot, I don't know what straws got guys are holding on too.

All this shout of Stones this, Stones that, you could have thought he's the one marshalling City defense, scoring goals and all sort while in reality he has only started 8 games in the league and 4 times as a substitute. That's your gold people. LOL

patrickmuf:
A team of super stars and average players playing together as a unit in attack and defense (Man City) is better than a collection of super stars and some average players playing disjointed football relying more on individual brilliance (Man Utd)...
The movement of our players is poor, you don't see our full backs overlapping to draw defenders away from the wingers. Most times, Young passes the ball to Martial and stops like a spectator to watch how Martial will go past 2-3 defenders and when he can't, he passes back to Young and back the ball goes to Matic, back to Jones and we repeat the sequence again...
Mou needs to work on our passing and movement and our forward play in general...We defend too deep thus whenever we recover possession, it we can't hurt the opposition immediately compared to City who press high up the pitch where they can hurt you if the chance presents itself...
Sometimes I wonder why we can't press high up the pitch like Spurs/City/Pool or Chelsea who are improving in this aspect, our players are way too comfortable retreating back and Mou has to take responsibility to be honest.