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The Illusion Called Karma by akintom(m): 9:21pm On Dec 02, 2017 |
The illusion of karma (1) Karma means action, work or deed; it also refers to the spiritual principle of cause and effect where intent and actions of an individual (cause) influence the future of that individual (effect). Good intent and good deed contribute to good karma and future happiness, while bad intent and bad deed contribute to bad karma and future suffering - Wikipedia. A bad/evil/wicked deed, is an act that causes someone, an unjust pain and suffering. People who do wickedly, ranges from normal humans to psychopath. The normal humans, do evil, when they believe that they can't be deterred or punished. Until the wicked is caught, and made to bear the consequences of his wickedness, there are those who believe that there's something (spiritual force, God, etc), that can bring commensurate suffering upon the wicked, in the event that he escaped justice. The Christians believe that Yahweh, is capable of making a wicked man become miserable and restless - Isaiah 48:22 THERE IS NO PEACE, SAITH THE LORD, UNTO THE WICKED. The Christians are deluded with imaginary wicked entities, that includes humans and spirits (a chronic case of unhealthy suspicion), this makes their case unsuitable for this piece. But a look at the wicked Nigerian politicians, that have brought needless and unjust suffering on Nigerians, they should have been a perfect evidence of karma or Yahweh's judgment. These politicians have peace and prosperity. They have it abundantly and are burdened with surplus, that will extend to their fourth generation. It's an illusion, to think that there's something, that will bring the wicked to justice, other than justice system. And if any wicked man escapes justice, he suffers no lost of peace or misery, except as known with human existence, which is a matter of chance, coincidence and randomness. A rational disposition to act of wickedness anywhere, is the responsibility of activating the justice system, which is expected to quench the wickedness, punish the wicked man, deter intended wickedness and reinforce less wicked world. #epihanic 10 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by hahn(m): 8:55am On Dec 03, 2017 |
I feel "karma" is a facade created to keep the masses in check while the elite rob, loot and enrich their coffers If karma was real anyone who has ever worked in a Nigerian government organization would have faced it but instead they keep on looting and holding positions of power Karma is absolute nonsense and only creates solace for those who chose fantasy over reality ![]() 16 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by plessis: 9:36am On Dec 03, 2017 |
The law of karma operates within the principles of causation in quantum mechanics... 2 Likes |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by Niflheim(m): 7:17pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
@Akintom, So true!!! No such thing as Karma!!! 1 Like |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by Nobody: 11:35pm On Dec 27, 2017 |
why settle with theory ,,,,, did anyone ask you not to do evil ,,,, karma may not exist but you know seeing is believing .... cut Someone's head, do things injurious to health and claim that karma doesn't exist.... 3 Likes |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by CAPSLOCKED: 7:47am On Dec 28, 2017 |
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS KARMA. WHAT DID HITLER GET? LOOK AT LITTLE KIDS THAT ARE RAPED OR KILLED. LOOK AT SLAVERY AND BLACKS STILL SUFFERING. IF KARMA EXISTED SHOULDN'T THERE HAVE BEEN REPERCUSSIONS AGAINST THEIR OPPRESSORS? WHEN SOMEONE HURTS YOU AND GETS CANCER HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IT WAS BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY DID TO YOU? WHAT IF THEY WERE GOING TO GET CANCER ANYWAY? WERE YOU THE ONLY ONE THAT THEY'VE HURT? WHICH ONE OF THE PEOPLE HURT WOULD GET THE KARMA CREDIT? WHEN YOUR CHILD GETS SICK OR EVEN DIES WAS THAT YOUR CHILD'S KARMA OR YOURS? WHEN A COMPANY GOES BANKRUPT AND YOU LOSE YOUR JOB WAS THAT THE COMPANY OWNERS KARMA OR WAS IT YOURS? KARMA IS JUST ANOTHER RELIGIOUS BELIEF HUMANS MADE UP TO COMFORT THEMSELVES. KARMA CLAIMS THAT YOU WILL BE PUNISHED FOR BAD ACTIONS AND WILL BE REWARDED FOR POSITIVE ACTIONS. THIS LAW SAYS IT'S ALWAYS TRUE, WHEN THERE ARE MILLIONS OF CASES WHERE IT ISN'T. FROM THE DRUG LORD WHO IS A BILLIONAIRE TO THE CHILD BORN WITH TWO HEADS, DO YOU THINK THEY REALLY DESERVE WHAT THEY HAVE? WHAT COULD AN UNBORN BABY HAVE DONE THAT WAS SO EVIL? EVEN IF THE PARENTS WERE ABUSIVE, IS IT REALLY FAIR TO PUNISH THE CHILD? BRINGING UP PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WON'T MATTER BECAUSE THERE ARE SUCH THINGS AS COINCIDENCES. AND IF KARMA AFFECTS THE "NEXT LIFE," IS THAT JUSTIFIED EITHER? IF PEOPLE ARE TO BE REINCARNATED, THEY WILL BE GIVEN A BRAIN AND PERSONALITY DIFFERENT FROM THEIR OLD SELVES, SO IS THIS MORALLY CORRECT? I FIND IT EXTREMELY LIKELY HUMANS ONLY CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF KARMA TO MAKE THEMSELVES MORE COMFORTABLE, JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH THE CONCEPT OF GODS AND AN AFTERLIFE. 17 Likes 6 Shares |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by godisgood200: 8:39am On Dec 28, 2017 |
akintom: Hahahahahahahahaha. You went from Karma which is New Age to Christianity. Chai, these people. Karma is not a Christian principle, it's New Age. In New Age, there's no judgement Day or accountability, but there is in Christianity. Lol, pls keep on in your rebellion believing judgement or accountability is an illusion. E go clear for ya eyes. @bolded. Are you very close to any senior politician? I mean inside house close? Well, i am. The Senator covering my constituency has been in House of Representative throughout OBJ's tenure, Yaradua, and Switched to Senate during Jonathan, he is still there as we speak. He just left PDP to APC with the hope to run for Governor in my state. He wants to remain power. Anyone who tries to go.close gets crutched. His wife who is my friend, whom we grew up together from the same community (altho she's my senior by far age wise), is a ghost. She has accused every elderly person in her husband's family as witches and wizards, She accused her own Dad of trying to kill them. Her father died a pitiable death as a result of her activities. Everyone, both from her family and her husband's are so afraid to go close for fear of being labeled witches The man and his siblings are at war. Why? FEAR. Fear of what? There's no renown prophet or Prophetess she doesn't know or patronize. She moves about with TB Joshua's blessed morning water in her bra to keep the enemy away. Which enemy? Instead of getting fat as a result of the surplus you talk about, she is as dry as wood. Every fly in their home is a witch. Every bird which flies above their roof is from the village to kill them. But they forget the things they do to remain in power. The deals they cut with demons to get power. Pls say what you know. And note, don't even come up telling me that these people are Christians becos they patronize fake prophets. 3 Likes |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by butterflyl1on: 8:46am On Dec 28, 2017 |
akintom: ![]() ![]() What desperation and stupidity. From hinduism/buddhism which is the origin of karma you leapfrogged to Christianity with it. ![]() You are hopelessly ignorant and deceptively mad. |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by Ranchhoddas: 9:08am On Dec 28, 2017 |
CAPSLOCKED:Karma makes a lot of sense to me. It has go hand in hand with reincarnation so your actions do not necessarily happen in a particular lifetime. It could come in the next of over a series of future lifetime. This would explain the seeming unevenness or unfairness of life. Also Karma is not a system of reward and punishment. It is just a balancing phenomenon; for lack of a better phrase. It seeks to create an equilibrium of sorts. 2 Likes |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by vaxx: 9:52am On Dec 28, 2017 |
Karma is simply the reaction of what you do.... From the foundation of classical mechanics in physics ,Newton third law of motion found that "every action has equal and opposite reaction" this is just a discovery of action and effects from one perspective, its been formulated in science now because we've found the parameters to quantify it. Whatever you do as an action surely comes with its own effects. We can't see all the effects immediately because we don't understand ALL the parameters involved in the PROCESS or REACTION. My understanding of karma is different from India version, mine is African tradition deeply rooted to my tribe.....Yoruba version...... I will open a thread on it soon.... I have some unrelated question for you Do you believe in luck? Do you believe in love at first sight? 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by ScienceWatch: 10:17am On Dec 28, 2017 |
akintom:You are expressing your false beliefs that are sourced from the bowls of Satanism. Satanism is about lies. Thankfully it is very easy today for sincere truth seekers to see verifiable evidence of the lies and the illusion that you create here. Many genuine truth seekers have expressed their deep gratitude to Emmanuel TV and others as a powerful study of the true reality of mankind. Thousands of shocking live personal testimonies are studied daily which conclusively prove that no man can escape the spiritual forces acting on their lives. It is an illusion to think that a prosperous corrupt person has peace. You are ignorant of the real demonic attacks on that persons life because you judge only by what you can see. You dont see his irrational fear of the dark, you dont see him sleeping with blankets pulled tight over his head like a fearful coward. You dont know why he sleeps with the lights on. You dont know why he constantly use mind altering drugs to calm himself. You dont know why he is so angry at nothing. You dont know. Many doctors, psychologists etc are using Emmanuel TV to study the true meaning of Demonic deliverance and Godly healing. One psychologist testified live in public that he saw psychological/ psychiatric problems solved instantly in the Scoan. He said, such problems would take many years of therapy and mind altering medications to hopefully fix the problem. He bravely concluded that all psychological/psychiatric problems are spiritual problems. There is no peace for the corrupt and the wicked. Money can not buy peace of heart/spirit. This is now scientifically verifiable. 1 Like |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by Kenerd: 10:22am On Dec 28, 2017 |
CAPSLOCKED:Abi oh.... thanks for sharing hopefullandlord |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by CoolUsername: 10:32am On Dec 28, 2017 |
There's just no such thing as karma. But, steal enough times and you'll get caught. Mess with enough people and someone will probably strike back. @CAPSLOCKED, you brought up Hitler as case study of karma but the truth is that if you make yourself the enemy of enough countries, eventually one of them will defeat you. You may get away with one murder but it gets exponentially harder to cover the evidence up as your body count increases. So I won't say that what goes around comes around but if you do something that has consequences enough times then you'll probably have to face those consequences at some point. 2 Likes |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by hopefulLandlord: 10:37am On Dec 28, 2017 |
CoolUsername: yes? but it also ignores the fact that a good person with good intention doing a good thing can reap bad rewards whether from nature (via accidents) or from human(s) who stand to lose from the (consequences of the) person's good works 7 Likes |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by ScienceWatch: 10:52am On Dec 28, 2017 |
vaxx:Awesome Vaxx. You really go out of your way to simplify things for dull minds and hateful hearts. These dudes falsely claim that they worship science, but fail to see that science stole from the established spiritual laws of Karma to make themselves relevant to their over eager Atheist followers. Karma has been saying for thousands of years, what corrupt scientists claim as a modern discovery: FOR EVERY ACTION, THERE IS A REACTION EQUAL AND OPPOSITE. [b]Many people, doctors, psychologists, [/b]psychiatrists are using Emmanuel TV as a powerful teaching tool because of the live personal testimonies on demonic deliverance world wide which clearly proves what the esteemed Vaxx said. "Whatever you do as an action surely comes with its own effects." |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by vaxx: 11:04am On Dec 28, 2017 |
ScienceWatch:majority of these dude are materialistic and that is why it is diifficult to convince them..... The believe of karma is only applicable to people with conscience...... 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by ScienceWatch: 11:55am On Dec 28, 2017 |
vaxx:On its deepest foundation it is all demonically inspired materialism. I agree with you that the believe of karma is only applicable to people with conscience. Nevertheless Atheists are continually surprised that Karma (the law of cause and effect) is causing them mental/psychological suffering after they insult and hack away at the precious Holy doctrines of billions of innocent people. What goes around comes around. 1 Like |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by CAPSLOCKED: 11:59am On Dec 28, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: YOU'RE ALWAYS TALKING TRASH. THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE IN KARMA IN NIGERIA, ARE THEY BUDDHISTS? YOUR POINT FURTHER PORTRAYS THAT CHRISTIANS ACCEPT EVERY NONSENSE WITHOUT ADEQUATE THINKING OR RESEARCH. TO ME, I DON'T THINK CHRISTIANS SHOULD BELIEVE IN KARMA SINCE THEY HAVE THE SUPREME JUDGE IN HEAVEN. YOU SHOULDN'T BE A CHRISTIAN AND SUPPORT A NORSE OR MAYAN IDEA YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. I DOUBT HALF THE NUMBER OF CHRISTIANS IN THIS COUNTRY EVEN KNOW "BUDDHISM" COS THEY USUALLY KNOW NOTHING. 8 Likes |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by CAPSLOCKED: 12:01pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
vaxx: THEN IT'S NOT "KARMA". ASK YOUR GRANDFATHER WHAT IT'S CALLED. 3 Likes |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by adepeter2027(m): 12:07pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
CAPSLOCKED:Cheiiii 1 Like
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Re: The Illusion Called Karma by CAPSLOCKED: 12:13pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
CoolUsername: OUR POLITICIANS HAVE BEEN AT THIS SINCE BEFORE 1960, AND THEY ARE STILL BALLING CoolUsername: KARMA IS A STUPID IDEA. SO BECAUSE IT EXISTS, LET'S ALLOW HOPEFULLANDLORD DESTROY THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE, AND THEN MAYBE SOMEHOW, AFTER MILLIONS ARE DEAD, HE DIES. AND ACCORDING TO YOUR MATHEMATICS THE DEATH OF 1 CAN EQUAL THAT OF 1,000,000,000? CoolUsername: A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE COMMITTED TERRIBLE CRIMES, SOME AGAINST ALL OF HUMANITY, AND THEY GOT AWAY. THEIR DEATH IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER IS NOT A PRICE FOR THEIR CRIMES. THE BIGGEST CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY HAS BEEN AND IS STILL BEING COMMITTED BY RELIGION AND POLITICS.. THE MASS MURDERS, THE ORGANISED TERRORISM, AND MANY UNMENTIONABLES. WHAT DO THESE PEOPLE GET? MORE MONEY AND FAME, AND THEY GET TO BE REMEMBERED AS GREAT PEOPLE FOR ETERNITY WHEN THEY DIE.. INFACT, THE NEW GENERATION HEARS / READS ABOUT THEM AS LEGENDS AND WONDERFUL HUMANS INSTEAD OF THE ACTUAL DEVILS THAT THEY WERE. SO WHAT ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT? ![]() 5 Likes |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by vaxx: 1:35pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
CAPSLOCKED:may be when i open the thread you can now direct me again to my grandfather.. you should wait till then ..... karma according to yoruba is a process where we re-create our experiences until we learn from our mistakes and walk down the path that OLODUMARE has created for us. Many people fail to realize that we carry karma from previous lives. karma can also be carry from our lineage and family ties. "THE HIGHER YOU RISE THE WIDER BECOME THE MARGIN OF YOUR VIEW'' HAZRAT KHAN |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by vaxx: 2:20pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
CAPSLOCKED:first of all, the concept of good and bad is abrahmic ideology or western idea .... Yoruba and other African religions don’t believe in the concept of good or bad. In fact, the concept of duality is a rare form of thought that is used mainly in the Western world. African religions operate from a different paradigm. They believe that everything is good and bad. War is good for the people who win because they get the additional resources needed for survival, but bad for the losers, who end up with nothing. Good and bad are on different sides of the same coin, and one cannot exist without the other. A verse from ifa odu sums up karma karma concept by saying that Karma is the sum total of the consequences of all actions. This means that we cannot escape our karma. We must experience the positive and negative consequences of our actions. The Odu is a religious scripture that allows us to get feedback and guidance from a Godly force. i will like to share ideas with you ... 2 Likes |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by akintom(m): 2:32pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
CoolUsername:well said bro |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by akintom(m): 2:35pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
vaxx:CoolUsername, put it in more intelligent perspective. Read his comment here pls |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by butterflyl1on: 2:41pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
CAPSLOCKED: And you are always spewing stupidity in caps. How do Christians believe in Karma when the laws of cause and effect can NEVER be altered. Before that law of cause and effect was defined by science the Bible documented the law of seed time and harvest aka sowing and reaping. However we are also taught not to pay evil for evil but to pay back with good even when evil is metted out to us. So your so called law of karma which is that you would always get paid evil for evil does not work for us as Christians but it works for the people of the world. What we know is to love when we are hated, bless and not curse even when we are cursed, render good and not evil even when rendered evil to. Would you like me to show you the scriptural backing to all these Mr stupidity in caps? 1 Like |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by hopefulLandlord: 3:06pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
vaxx: tell me more, so stealing was good for the thief before Abrahamics came? and why were kings judging their people's actions and condemning them to death or punishing them in other ways if "there's no good and bad" before the middle eastern people came? 4 Likes |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by tintingz(m): 3:42pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
The idea or concept of karma doesn't make any sense. Imagine people that do/did good all thier lives still suffer and have unfortunate living till they die! 3 Likes |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by analize701: 4:17pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:D thing weak me sef. |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by DarkRebel69: 5:18pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
CoolUsername: This seems more like the "Law of averages" than it seems Karma. |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by DarkRebel69: 5:34pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: He isn't desperate, nor is he stupid. The concept of Karma is not strictly Hindu. Almost all religions – both ancient and contemporary – have at their core the fundamental doctrine of "good deeds beget good rewards, and evil deeds beget evil rewards". Isn't that why the idea of "Heaven/afterlife" is a recurring decimal in almost every religion on earth? – the phantom promise of an otherwordly paradise for earthly do-gooders. As I said, the concept of Karma cuts across every religion, except that it goes by different names in the various religions. Or what would you call these biblical extracts if not a dead-ringer for the Karmic concept?: I) "There is no peace, saith the Lord, unto the wicked" (Isaiah 48:22 KJV) II) "As you sow so shall you reap" (Galatians 6:7) 8 Likes |
Re: The Illusion Called Karma by DarkRebel69: 5:45pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
vaxx: Your attempt at giving the concept of Karma a Newtonian twist was clearly not well thought out, and also a shot in the foot. Law of Karma says: "for every action, there is a commesurate and similar reward" i.e. if you do evil, you receive equal evil. Newton's third Law of motion: "for every action, there is an equal and OPPOSITE reaction" i.e. if you do evil, you get the OPPOSITE (good). Like I said, “shot in the foot”. 11 Likes 4 Shares |
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