The real villian moment of motivation: Zod vs Superman

So, I eventually watched Justice League and I'm here to give my take on the movie. I believe the movie suffered from bad PR right from its announcement and then through directorial changes, and finally studio interference. The narrative of this theatrical version leaves much to be desired; it seems like a product with its quality between a series episode and my desired movie. It did not seem like I was watching a movie but I also did not feel like I was watching a serie episode.

In my opinion, the first two scenes (shot by Whedon) before the opening credits were unnecessary and irrelevant. The music accompanying the opening credit was dumb. I had expected the ancient war to be the base motivation for this movie where Darkseid, stepphenwolf and motherboxes would be fully explained. Instead, we got this war as a mere narration by wonder woman! This scene should have been the center piece of the movie right from the beginning.

I expected more narratives on the mythology of Atlantis and Themiscyra but I got none. Apparently, this was cut off by Whedon and WB. Batman was downgraded from his awesomeness in BVS while Superman was unnecessarily overpowered. There was no logic as to how Superman suddenly knew that he had freeze breath. This is apparently due to the reshoots undetaken by WB and Whedon. There were no suspenses or dark moments in the entire movie except for the Stepphenwolf Themiscyra scene which was obviously shot by Snyder. That scene made my heart miss a beat, very beautiful scene. The scene from the superman resurrection at Metropolis was not engaging, it lacked enough science. The third act was a disaster! It didn't feel like the movie was fought on earth or like there were any stakes during the fight.

The movie reshoots destroyed an already cohesive story written by Chris Terrio and ruined the previous events from BVS, MOS and Wonder Woman. No wonder Snyder decided not to look at his butchered movie before premiere. It was right he stepped aside in May 2017. Yes, I have Geoff John to blame for all of this especially for giving these silly ideas for making and Batman and Superman "right". The movie is actually a Frankenstein. The worst DC movie in my opinion only seconded by Suicide Squad! WB should stay away from interfering with DC movies, they ruined everything.

Summary: The movie lacked the epicness and awesomeness of MOS, BVS and Wonder Woman.
Verdict: A step in the reverse direction!
Final Grade: 6/10

TonySpike:
So, I eventually watched Justice League and I'm here to give my take on the movie. I believe the movie suffered from bad PR right from its announcement and then through directorial changes, and finally studio interference. The narrative of this theatrical version leaves much to be desired; it seems like a product with its quality between a series episode and my desired movie. It did not seem like I was watching a movie but I also did not feel like I was watching a serie episode.

In my opinion, the first two scenes (shot by Whedon) before the opening credits were unnecessary and irrelevant. The music accompanying the opening credit was dumb. I had expected the ancient war to be the base motivation for this movie where Darkseid, stepphenwolf and motherboxes would be fully explained. Instead, we got this war as a mere narration by wonder woman! This scene should have been the center piece of the movie right from the beginning.

I expected more narratives on the mythology of Atlantis and Themiscyra but I got none. Apparently, this was cut off by Whedon and WB. Batman was downgraded from his awesomeness in BVS while Superman was unnecessarily overpowered. There was no logic as to how Superman suddenly knew that he had freeze breath. This is apparently due to the reshoots undetaken by WB and Whedon. There were no suspenses or dark moments in the entire movie except for the Stepphenwolf Themiscyra scene which was obviously shot by Snyder. That scene made my heart miss a beat, very beautiful scene. The scene from the superman resurrection at Metropolis was not engaging, it lacked enough science. The third act was a disaster! It didn't feel like the movie was fought on earth or like there were any stakes during the fight.

The movie reshoots destroyed an already cohesive story written by Chris Terrio and ruined the previous events from BVS, MOS and Wonder Woman. No wonder Snyder decided not to look at his butchered movie before premiere. It was right he stepped aside in May 2017. Yes, I have Geoff John to blame for all of this especially for giving these silly ideas for making and Batman and Superman "right". The movie is actually a Frankenstein. The worst DC movie in my opinion only seconded by Suicide Squad! WB should stay away from interfering with DC movies, they ruined everything.

Summary: The movie lacked the epicness and awesomeness of MOS, BVS and Wonder Woman.
Verdict: A step in the reverse direction!
Final Grade: 6/10

ok, I agree with most of that..... Had the chance to see Star Wars BTW, it's like rougue one was a fluke.... TLJ Is meh...

TonySpike:
So, I eventually watched Justice League and I'm here to give my take on the movie. I believe the movie suffered from bad PR right from its announcement and then through directorial changes, and finally studio interference. The narrative of this theatrical version leaves much to be desired; it seems like a product with its quality between a series episode and my desired movie. It did not seem like I was watching a movie but I also did not feel like I was watching a serie episode.

In my opinion, the first two scenes (shot by Whedon) before the opening credits were unnecessary and irrelevant. The music accompanying the opening credit was dumb. I had expected the ancient war to be the base motivation for this movie where Darkseid, stepphenwolf and motherboxes would be fully explained. Instead, we got this war as a mere narration by wonder woman! This scene should have been the center piece of the movie right from the beginning.

I expected more narratives on the mythology of Atlantis and Themiscyra but I got none. Apparently, this was cut off by Whedon and WB. Batman was downgraded from his awesomeness in BVS while Superman was unnecessarily overpowered. There was no logic as to how Superman suddenly knew that he had freeze breath. This is apparently due to the reshoots undetaken by WB and Whedon. There were no suspenses or dark moments in the entire movie except for the Stepphenwolf Themiscyra scene which was obviously shot by Snyder. That scene made my heart miss a beat, very beautiful scene. The scene from the superman resurrection at Metropolis was not engaging, it lacked enough science. The third act was a disaster! It didn't feel like the movie was fought on earth or like there were any stakes during the fight.

The movie reshoots destroyed an already cohesive story written by Chris Terrio and ruined the previous events from BVS, MOS and Wonder Woman. No wonder Snyder decided not to look at his butchered movie before premiere. It was right he stepped aside in May 2017. Yes, I have Geoff John to blame for all of this especially for giving these silly ideas for making and Batman and Superman "right". The movie is actually a Frankenstein. The worst DC movie in my opinion only seconded by Suicide Squad! WB should stay away from interfering with DC movies, they ruined everything.

Summary: The movie lacked the epicness and awesomeness of MOS, BVS and Wonder Woman.
Verdict: A step in the reverse direction!
Final Grade: 6/10

In the end we all share the same verdict lol. Agree with you on every single point. Too bad, DCEU may never reach its full potential. It has so much promise it's just painful. What are you expecting from the forthcoming Aquaman movie?

forreelinc:
Hmmmm na wa o justice league made less than 600mil? Maybe its when their movies start making 10 naira that they will know that dceu is a bad idea

This cracked me up

waywardpikin:


In the end we all share the same verdict lol. Agree with you on every single point. Too bad, DCEU may never reach its full potential. It has so much promise it's just painful. What are you expecting from the forthcoming Aquaman movie?

Honestly, I can't trust whatever movie WB is releasing from the DCEU. They can no longer be trusted. The fact that WB creative team did not see any fault with Justice League until Snyder's first cut shows that they are knee-jerked and irrational.

TonySpike:


Honestly, I can't trust whatever movie WB is releasing from the DCEU. They can no longer be trusted. The fact that WB creative team did not see any fault with Justice League until Snyder's first cut shows that they are knee-jerked and irrational.

me too aint hyped for aquaman. N0t impressed with the actor. We should've had the flash m0vie.

TonySpike:
So, I eventually watched Justice League and I'm here to give my take on the movie. I believe the movie suffered from bad PR right from its announcement and then through directorial changes, and finally studio interference. The narrative of this theatrical version leaves much to be desired; it seems like a product with its quality between a series episode and my desired movie. It did not seem like I was watching a movie but I also did not feel like I was watching a serie episode.
In my opinion, the first two scenes (shot by Whedon) before the opening credits were unnecessary and irrelevant. The music accompanying the opening credit was dumb. I had expected the ancient war to be the base motivation for this movie where Darkseid, stepphenwolf and motherboxes would be fully explained. Instead, we got this war as a mere narration by wonder woman! This scene should have been the center piece of the movie right from the beginning.
I expected more narratives on the mythology of Atlantis and Themiscyra but I got none. Apparently, this was cut off by Whedon and WB. Batman was downgraded from his awesomeness in BVS while Superman was unnecessarily overpowered. There was no logic as to how Superman suddenly knew that he had freeze breath. This is apparently due to the reshoots undetaken by WB and Whedon. There were no suspenses or dark moments in the entire movie except for the Stepphenwolf Themiscyra scene which was obviously shot by Snyder. That scene made my heart miss a beat, very beautiful scene. The scene from the superman resurrection at Metropolis was not engaging, it lacked enough science. The third act was a disaster! It didn't feel like the movie was fought on earth or like there were any stakes during the fight.

I agree with s0me of what u said. I liked suicide squad and JL but lets be h0nest, they felt generic and could've been better. But then the studio, WB only cares about the financial returns; box office, dvd sale, toys and merchandising, than actual creativity. This, they'll do anything and go any length to achieve: m0ney, and thus sacrificing the 'art' in artistic. The Dceu problem began with MOS not making a billi0n for WB after The Dark Knight Rises. C0me 0n, WB thought it would. With the name Nolan, Goyer and the dark and grounded t0ne, they thought M0S would make a billion dollar. Had it been it did, we wouldn't have had JL now but BvS without the DOJ. Had M0S made a billi0n, WB would've let Snyder do a M0S sequel with Crowe returning as Jor el then Ben Affleck in the end credits. Suicide Squad would've followed but with a dark and grounded t0ne, then BvS without the DOJ. Wonder woman would've happened followed by Aquaman [snyder loves that character and James Wan was already on board since 2013], the flash movie would've happened, Green lantern corps then Cyborg, then finally JL. That was if WB had let Snyder use his creative vision. I laugh when i hear people blaming Snyder. The things that affected the Dceu are 1. WB 2. The financial returns of M0S 3. The critical destruction of BvS which ir0nically was as a result of Wb meddling. 4. The knee jerk reaction WB had for M0s underperforming based on their own view and the mixed reception. And, i don't think M0S was entirely Snyder's work. He had little c0ntrol of it if am to be right.

Minemrys:

I agree with s0me of what u said. I liked suicide squad and JL but lets be h0nest, they felt generic and could've been better. But then the studio, WB only cares about the financial returns; box office, dvd sale, toys and merchandising, than actual creativity. This, they'll do anything and go any length to achieve: m0ney, and thus sacrificing the 'art' in artistic. The Dceu problem began with MOS not making a billi0n for WB after The Dark Knight Rises. C0me 0n, WB thought it would. With the name Nolan, Goyer and the dark and grounded t0ne, they thought M0S would make a billion dollar. Had it been it did, we wouldn't have had JL now but BvS without the DOJ. Had M0S made a billi0n, WB would've let Snyder do a M0S sequel with Crowe returning as Jor el then Ben Affleck in the end credits. Suicide Squad would've followed but with a dark and grounded t0ne, then BvS without the DOJ. Wonder woman would've happened followed by Aquaman [snyder loves that character and James Wan was already on board since 2013], the flash movie would've happened, Green lantern corps then Cyborg, then finally JL. That was if WB had let Snyder use his creative vision. I laugh when i hear people blaming Snyder. The things that affected the Dceu are 1. WB 2. The financial returns of M0S 3. The critical destruction of BvS which ir0nically was as a result of Wb meddling. 4. The knee jerk reaction WB had for M0s underperforming based on their own view and the mixed reception. And, i don't think M0S was entirely Snyder's work. He had little c0ntrol of it if am to be right.

There was no way MOS would have made a billion. I did an analysis of the Superman franchise some several pages ago. That franchise had literarily died when Snyder, Goyer and Nolan reinvigorated it. Heck, Superman Returns (2006) which was a Reeve interpretation of the character bombed very hard at the box office barely making back its budget. I will say it loud again that if the Reeve interpretation is brought back again, it will bomb hard. What I do find hilarious are the set of audience implying that Superman is too dark and moody, where were they when the campy and "right" interpretation of superman in Superman Returns was released? In all of these, I think the internet has not been fair to the DCEU. Critics and audience alike always latched on the DCEU negatively most of the time. It was as if someone was skewing the PR to paint DCEU very bad, and of course, that's why Disney has been the major suspect. Imagine Star Wars TLJ with a 93% critic approval earned about 52% audience approval. Were the critics pretending not to see those loopholes or decided to ignore them because it's Disney? I read that David Ayer's new movie, Bright, with Netflix was rated 30% on rotten tomatoes and yeah mostly because of his previous work on Suicide Squad. Bright currently has audience rating of over 89% on the same rotten tomatoes. Is there a vendetta within the critics community? Yeah, something is not right...

TonySpike:


There was no way MOS would have made a billion. I did an analysis of the Superman franchise some several pages ago. That franchise had literarily died when Snyder, Goyer and Nolan reinvigorated it. Heck, Superman Returns (2006) which was a Reeve interpretation of the character bombed very hard at the box office barely making back its budget. I will say it loud again that if the Reeve interpretation is brought back again, it will bomb hard. What I do find hilarious are the set of audience implying that Superman is too dark and moody, where were they when the campy and "right" interpretation of superman in Superman Returns was released? In all of these, I think the internet has not been fair to the DCEU. Critics and audience alike always latched on the DCEU negatively most of the time. It was as if someone was skewing the PR to paint DCEU very bad, and of course, that's why Disney has been the major suspect. Imagine Star Wars TLJ with a 93% critic approval earned about 52% audience approval. Were the critics pretending not to see those loopholes or decided to ignore them because it's Disney? I read that David Ayer's new movie, Bright, with Netflix was rated 30% on rotten tomatoes and yeah mostly because of his previous work on Suicide Squad. Bright currently has audience rating of over 89% on the same rotten tomatoes. Is there a vendetta within the critics community? Yeah, something is not right...

actually Bright was supposed to be a game changer..... getting big budget films direct to streaming, studios like disney making billions in theatre tried to sabotage it, honestly bright is a cool movie should be at the least around the 70-75% region

TonySpike:


There was no way MOS would have made a billion. I did an analysis of the Superman franchise some several pages ago. That franchise had literarily died when Snyder, Goyer and Nolan reinvigorated it. Heck, Superman Returns (2006) which was a Reeve interpretation of the character bombed very hard at the box office barely making back its budget. I will say it loud again that if the Reeve interpretation is brought back again, it will bomb hard. What I do find hilarious are the set of audience implying that Superman is too dark and moody, where were they when the campy and "right" interpretation of superman in Superman Returns was released? In all of these, I think the internet has not been fair to the DCEU. Critics and audience alike always latched on the DCEU negatively most of the time. It was as if someone was skewing the PR to paint DCEU very bad, and of course, that's why Disney has been the major suspect. Imagine Star Wars TLJ with a 93% critic approval earned about 52% audience approval. Were the critics pretending not to see those loopholes or decided to ignore them because it's Disney? I read that David Ayer's new movie, Bright, with Netflix was rated 30% on rotten tomatoes and yeah mostly because of his previous work on Suicide Squad. Bright currently has audience rating of over 89% on the same rotten tomatoes. Is there a vendetta within the critics community? Yeah, something is not right...

yea bro, i get you but WB doesn't know that. What they thought was that immediately after TDKR and MOS was released with the same TDKR behind it, it would guaranty a billi0n. That was what they thought with0ut facing the reality on ground, and reality came to bite them hard. A WB exec was even quoted to saying MOS was a billi0n dollar guaranty before the release. Seriously, believe it or n0t, the outc0me of MOS defined what the DCEU became. Thats a fact thats glaring.

Kingrapha:
actually Bright was supposed to be a game changer..... getting big budget films direct to streaming, studios like disney making billions in theatre tried to sabotage it, honestly bright is a cool movie should be at the least around the 70-75% region

wow, n0w you guys have said it, i'll go see that bright m0vie. I actually liked suicide squad bt had WB left Ayer to do his thing, it would've been better. The weak link in SS was the villain and lack of back story of its characters. The plot was an0ther thing, but it was entertaining although n0t special. If ghostbusterz remake could get a pass, surely SS can.

Minemrys:

yea bro, i get you but WB doesn't know that. What they thought was that immediately after TDKR and MOS was released with the same TDKR behind it, it would guaranty a billi0n. That was what they thought with0ut facing the reality on ground, and reality came to bite them hard. A WB exec was even quoted to saying MOS was a billi0n dollar guaranty before the release. Seriously, believe it or n0t, the outc0me of MOS defined what the DCEU became. Thats a fact thats glaring.

Whenever WB interferes, the villains and other transitional elements of the movie suffers. Just take a look at BVS, Suicide Squad and Justice League, what do they have in common? Over-editing, weak villains and incoherent stories. Need I say more? By the way, Nolan's TDKR only broke a billion after the second installment. If Superman is made chessy again, which is already happening anyway, more hardcore fans will abandon the DC ship.

Having green lantern in justice league would ha e made it a hundred times better

I finally got to watch Justice League and it was fun honestly although too short, you guys kept on criticizing the movie like it was a wacker version of suicide squad.

dhex:
Having green lantern in justice league would ha e made it a hundred times better

nah. With the 1 hour run time?

Lh19:
I finally got to watch Justice League and it was fun honestly although too short, you guys kept on criticizing the movie like it was a wacker version of suicide squad.

every0ne has their opini0n i guess. My problem was with the run time.

Minemrys:

every0ne has their opini0n i guess. My problem was with the run time.

Honestly that's my only problem with the movie, the runtime should have been about 2 hours 45 minutes

Lh19:
I finally got to watch Justice League and it was fun honestly although too short, you guys kept on criticizing the movie like it was a wacker version of suicide squad.

My own criticism is justified though. That movie is a frankenstein hack job because of WB.

TonySpike:


My own criticism is justified though. That movie is a frankenstein hack job because of WB.

They shouldn't have cut the movie to that extent

Lh19:
I finally got to watch Justice League and it was fun honestly although too short, you guys kept on criticizing the movie like it was a wacker version of suicide squad.

Don't mind these critics and their big mouth . I've finally got to see the movie and I really enjoyed it. The only bad thing abt it was the poor CGI. The flash, superman and aquaman really impressed me.

Lh19:



They shouldn't have cut the movie to that extent

Well, the short movie runtime is just one of the many issues, in my opinion. The biggest issue was the nonsensical deviation from MOS, BVS and Wonder Woman, indicating lack of story continuity. Besides, the reshoots really butchered the epicness of the actual cut.

pasqal09:


Don't mind these critics and their big mouth . I've finally got to see the movie and I really enjoyed it. The only bad thing abt it was the poor CGI. The flash, superman and aquaman really impressed me.

Mhen it was the flash that did it for me and that Amazon scene

TonySpike:


Well, the short movie runtime is just one of the many issues, in my opinion. The biggest issue was the nonsensical deviation from MOS, BVS and Wonder Woman, indicating lack of story continuity. Besides, the reshoots really butchered the epicness of the actual cut.

Let's just hope they give us the extended cut like BVS

Lh19:


Let's just hope they give us the extended cut like BVS

fr0m what i heard they w0n't.

Lh19:


Let's just hope they give us the extended cut like BVS

fr0m what i heard they w0n't.

Minemrys:
fr0m what i heard they w0n't.

Kai!!! Y won't they since it would bring them money from Blu-ray sales

Minemrys:
fr0m what i heard they w0n't.

Kai!!! Y won't they since it would bring them money from Blu-ray sales

Lh19:


Kai!!! Y won't they since it would bring them money from Blu-ray sales

its on the news bro.

Minemrys:
its on the news bro.

Fvck WB !!!