namet:
You refuse to get what I am saying. I am speaking in general terms (as a race, group, a people, not as individuals) of the black mental capability or its lack thereof. I can contribute something individually to mankind. I'm sure you too can add a thing a two. But with limited resources (limited financial strength, lack of supportive infrastructure, retrogressive culture), there is little you and I can do. That is why races or groups of people rise when they make conscious effort to do so.

Right, so you accept that blacks are not inferior to anyone, looking at the individual black person, who is capable, correct?

In that case blacks are not an inferior race, PERIOD. If individual blacks are not inferior, then the black race cannot be inferior, since the people make up the race.

The problem has to do with modern, black institutions, such as governments, which are not delivering at optimal levels. There are many reasons for that. Not just one. An important reason is lack of recent experience in self-governance. Blacks have been under enslavement and colonisation for the last 500 years. Independence was achieved just 50 years ago roughly. It's actually not a lot of time to have ''gotten our act together'' and become like Germany or Japan. Or China. Regions that have been independent for hundreds of years.

It would have been easier for us of the colonialists had re-invested some of the export proceeds in Africa. They didn't (they came to loot). Only in South Africa, where their people had settled en masse, did such re-investment occur. Thus, universities, power stations, engineering institutes etc were established as early as the 1880s in South Africa. Whereas in Nigeria, our first power station (Kainji Dam) was built in 1962. Our first universities were established in the 1960s. We are total newcomers to modern development and statehood on a world level comparison. That is why we struggle to get ''the basics'' right. But those ''basics'' took other societies centuries to get right. We are moving a bit faster though, but we will still pay catch up for a while.

I once had a discussion with a Chinese fellow outside of Nigeria. We ended up talking about how life is in our respective countries. I told him the "Nigerian situation." He said to me that what i just told him about Nigeria reminds him of how China was when he emigrated in the early 1980s.
I ask him: How did China get to being technologically advanced, to the point of becoming the manufacturing capital of the world? He told me that the government of China made a concerted effort to improve its manufacturing base. They achieved it through heavy investment in engineering education. The citizens were encouraged to study engineering (not theory engineering like we do here) and government made sure studying engineering was free for everyone. This policy was pursued for over 30 years. The manufacturing capability and the technological advancement of China today is the product of the conscious decision of Chinese people more than 30 years ago.

Actually, it wasn't the ''conscious decision of the Chinese people'' that led to their technological progress. It was the conscious decision of a few people in the Chinese Ruling Party. China is a dictatorship. The peoples' opinion is not sought by the government in developing long-term strategy. The Chinese dictatorship saw technological development as advancing its own power objectives while of course, improving its peoples' lives in the process.

Truth is, in all societies, advancement/development is done as a strategy devised and undertaken by the ruling classes, ultimately to advance their interests. As African leaders/ruling classes start to realise that the development of their countries is vital to THEIR INTERESTS, you WILL start to see Africa developing. And guess what? It's happening already.

Today, 6 of the world's 10 fastest growing economies are in Africa. Major infrastructure projects are going on throughout Africa. Some are quite stunning in scope, such as the Great Inga Dam in Central Africa that will generate something like 40,000 megawatts to transform that region into a massive economic/manufacturing hub.

''At an average output of 39,000 MW per year, the Grand Inga Dam will become the largest energy-generating body in the world. Its total development cost is an estimated $100 billion. Developers expect to finish the project by 2025.''

http://www.businessinsider.com/giant-infrastructure-projects-reshaping-africa-2016-12?IR=T/#at-a-cost-of-48-billion-the-grand-ethiopian-renaissance-dam-will-provide-hydroelectric-power-to-ethiopia-and-nearby-countries-there-is-some-criticism-however-that-the-dam-forces-the-relocation-of-nearly-20000-people-7



What about the great Ethiopia-Djibouti railway under construction, that is meant to extend as far as Senegal by the time it's completed?

What about NIGERIA'S $25 billion rail network that is being constructed as we speak, and that will connect every state in the country? The project is expected to be completed around 2025 or so... It will be transformative for all sorts of things - trade, tourism, manufacturing etc.

http://mgafrica.com/article/2015-09-18-multi-billion-dollar-deals-chinas-27-biggest-active-projects-in-africa


Tanzania as we speak, is building Africa's largest port, at Bagamoyo, at the cost of $11 billion. The place is set to make Tanzania a major regional economic hub. It will handle 20 million containers a year! (I doubt Lagos handles even 10 million).

http://www.constructionkenya.com/4227/big-dollar-projects-shaping-africa/

Kenya is building a $14.5 billion Technology City modelled on Silicon Valley, designed to attract talent from all over Africa and the world. It has attracted huge global interest from investors.

http://www.constructionkenya.com/4227/big-dollar-projects-shaping-africa/

Ethiopia is building the Grand Ethiopian dam that will generate over 6,000 megawatts at the cost of $4.8 billion. The project is 70% complete.

http://www.constructionkenya.com/4227/big-dollar-projects-shaping-africa/

Meanwhile, the African middle class constitutes one third of the African population today, compared to 1 sixth 20 years ago.

So there is progress going on. Africa is not standing still. Go to Kenya. They have the most advanced mobile e-commerce system on earth.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kenya-election-railway/kenyas-new-3-2-billion-railway-frustrates-customers-ahead-of-polls-idUSKBN1AI27L

They are building a $3.2 billion rail line connecting Nairobi to Mombasa, and President Uhuru Kenyatta built 10,000km of new roads in his last term. This sort of thing is being replicated across Africa.

Go and study what's happening in Rwanda. They are already calling it the Singapore of Africa. President Kagame has massively reduced poverty, and the country has seen strong economic growth for the past 20 years.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/kagame-seems-set-to-win-again-in-rwanda-but-is-he-a-miracle-man-or-a-nascent-dictator/2017/07/31/069f832a-75fd-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.14012d721015

Go and read about the 'North South Corridor', a series of roads and rail lines connecting 7 African countries, over 9,600 miles, currently under construction.

http://www.constructionkenya.com/4227/big-dollar-projects-shaping-africa/


Check out the $5.6 billion Chad-Sudan Railway line, under construction:

http://mgafrica.com/article/2015-09-18-multi-billion-dollar-deals-chinas-27-biggest-active-projects-in-africa



So we are moving. In fact, ''US researchers claim that there are currently 3,030 active development projects in Africa.'' http://mgafrica.com/article/2015-09-18-multi-billion-dollar-deals-chinas-27-biggest-active-projects-in-africa


You wouldn't know this if you watched CNN or BBC for your African news though... You need to research by yourself. If you visit Africa in the next 20 years, it could be unrecognisable.

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namet:
I'm not talking sentiments here. I'm not interested in feel-good talk. The fact is no matter how you say you not inferior to other races, the facts speak for itself.

Generally speaking, black people have not built anything. And that is because our intelligence is inferior. Tell me anything that enhances life that black people have created and offered to the world to use. The countries you mentioned are all cobbled together using technology/products invented by other races. I am not talking about buying something from white or asian people to install in your country.

I am talking about black inventions. Can you even begin to think of how airplanes or ships or even cars are conceptualized and then built? Go and open the back of a photocopier and look at the many electronic components that are connected together and then begin to think of the type of mind that creates that. It's not a garri-eating brain that creates these types of advancements.

If you think you are not mentally inferior, why don't you build refineries and then refine your own crude oil. I am not talking about importing everything from the white man. Build these things from A-Z, then we begin to talk. Otherwise, you are engaging in feel-good talk. Oh the white man or chinese man is not better than me! You only say it to feel good. That's all.

My friend, we are not close to them mentality.

I don't think soome of you quite understand the mechanics of the world. Whites seem to be smarter than us because the world is being run on their own dime. Imagine, the entire world is forced to adopt Yoruba language as the language for communication and education, which part of the world do you think will be ahead? Everything we know today is because we were introduced to the white man's way of doing things and it's going to be tough beating them at their own game.

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Rossikk:


It is EXPENSIVE and highly time consuming to maintain a lawn in Nigeria. Look, you can have issues with Naija, but just leave this one out of it. Our climate does not support it. Look how hard we struggle to keep even stadium grass level. You think it's because we don't know how to water grass? It's because of the climate, dude. I think these days they import special grass seedlings for those stadia which is why they look much better nowadays.

I had to quote this because it is not a fact. Inside this same country, you will see residential area of expatriates like the shell quarters in ph well manicured. I can give a million more examples like their embassies.

We just don't care about the environment

substantial323:
I don't support eco atlantic and other such white elephant projects which adds no value to the life of the citizens. black people dont need tallest skyscrapers or an of those meaningless stuff.

Where did you see any white elephant projects in what I posted? Please make sense.

MaziOmenuko:


I had to quote this because it is not a fact. Inside this same country, you will see residential area of expatriates like the shell quarters in ph well manicured. I can give a million more examples like their embassies.

We just don't care about the environment

Shell quarters? You expect ordinary Nigerians' homes to be all decked out like Shell quarters and embassies?

Sometimes i wonder why I bother. Please tell us how much Shell allocates to the maintenance of those quarters for the few people there annually, and multiply the amount by 200 million Nigerians, and see if the amount makes sense, for lawns and gardens.

I REPEAT THIS FACT: In Europe, the US and other temperate regions, you don't actually have to plant any grass. Grass grows fulsomely on its own everywhere. Your only job is to trim it!! All you need is a lawn mower!

How dare you say that that is ''the same'' as in Nigeria? You people should please stop this nonsense. In Nigeria if you want a nice looking lawn, you are paying PROPER MONEY for it. Why else do people prefer to pave their entire compounds? You think they don't like gardens?

Do you people actually realise that African soil in general is among the worst on earth in terms of its fertility? If not the worst. We have his myth in Africa that our land is so fertile. That is a view borne of complete ignorance of the reality. Do the research. It's actually one of the historical reasons for poverty on the continent. In Africa, more people are required to engage in farming to yield enough food for the surrounding population, than anywhere else on earth, due to the soil issues. This has traditionally limited the number of people available to excel in other endeavours - a major historical reason for low industrialisation levels.

Rossikk:


I REPEAT THIS FACT: In Europe, the US and other temperate regions, you don't actually have to plant any grass. Grass grows fulsomely on its own everywhere. Your only job is to trim it!! All you need is a lawn mower!

What you said did not make any sense. I have seen whites in the uk plant and maintain their lawn and flowers, the flowers don't grow on their own else it will be called a weed.

Planting flowers in nigeria does not take more money than it would have taken if you are living in uk. It only takes time and devotion to prune it, something we nigerians are not concerned about

substantial323:
I don't support eco atlantic and other such white elephant projects which adds no value to the life of the citizens. black people dont need tallest skyscrapers or an of those meaningless stuff. I don't care about CNN,BBC or the Economist , and what they have to say about Africa's economy and which ones are rising. All of that growth is meaningless to black people . All those multinational companies should be expelled and deported.

Only Black or African broadcasting Coperation should be the authentic source of news for black people . All other news anywhere would be fake .

i dont agree with this view.

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MaziOmenuko:


What you said did not make any sense. I have seen whites in the uk plant and maintain their lawn and flowers, the flowers don't grow on their own else it will be called a weed.

Planting flowers in Nigeria does not take more money than it would have taken if you are living in uk. It only takes time and devotion to prune it, something we Nigerians are not concerned about

We are not talking of flowers. We are talking of lawns. You need lawns first before you add flowers. Lawns do not grow naturally in Nigeria or West Africa. People in England do not need to plant or even water their lawns. It rains enough steadily all year round to keep the natural growing lawns green and healthy. All they need to do is trim it. How is that the reality in Nigeria?

this is a very important discourse and not the usual ethnic bashing and political hatred our youths usually breed in this forum. i dont think Africans are cursed. the major problem in africa is bad leadership and mental laziness.

Even the mindset of the youths in Africa especially Nigerians have been badly negatively battered and corrupted. The key to development in Africa is technological revolution. until Africans embrace technology and technological transfer. our problems would continue. imagine if half of the churches and mosques in Nigeria are manufacturing industries?

substantial323:
I don't like excuses. impossible is nothing .every dream can come true .

Get your heads off the clouds man. ''Excuses'' indeed. Does your house in Nigeria have a well tendered lawn?

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substantial323:
here's a house being built . when all is said and done the sand will be covered with soil ,trees and grass. roads too.

So what? Even if you don't plant grass on that soil, grass will still grow there!!!

Thanks for the above pics which merely confirm what I said, ie grass grows NATURALLY in temperate climates. Nigeria is not a temperate environment, and is just on the border of the fcking Sahara desert, and so will not have grass naturally growing anywhere.

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owbabs:


.... Algeria are in desert regions. How come they are able to maintain their pitches in Stadiums? Of course they use synthetic pitches.

most algerian cities , population are in the north not in the desert but yes , technology for desert ariculture exist

https://www.nairaland.com/4155711/welcome-algeria-pics

pics : algerian agriculture in the sahara desert

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substantial323:
black people (africans) need to change the way we think and behave. examine the house below and how well manicured the landscape. its rare to find a such a house in Nigeria . most houses in Nigerian are usually surrounded by sand.
no city planning whatsoever. total lawlessness and disorder.
very low moral value . lack of attention to detail. Total madness and carelessness.

The funny thing is Nigerians are looking for ready made.... they don't want to put time or effort to produce the nice well organized green space in the picture but they want it without effort....

namet:
I'm not talking sentiments here. I'm not interested in feel-good talk. The fact is no matter how you say you not inferior to other races, the facts speak for itself.

Generally speaking, black people have not built anything. And that is because our intelligence is inferior. Tell me anything that enhances life that black people have created and offered to the world to use. The countries you mentioned are all cobbled together using technology/products invented by other races. I am not talking about buying something from white or asian people to install in your country.

I am talking about black inventions. Can you even begin to think of how airplanes or ships or even cars are conceptualized and then built? Go and open the back of a photocopier and look at the many electronic components that are connected together and then begin to think of the type of mind that creates that. It's not a garri-eating brain that creates these types of advancements.

If you think you are not mentally inferior, why don't you build refineries and then refine your own crude oil. I am not talking about importing everything from the white man. Build these things from A-Z, then we begin to talk. Otherwise, you are engaging in feel-good talk. Oh the white man or chinese man is not better than me! You only say it to feel good. That's all.

My friend, we are not close to them mentality.

All they think about is how to put up land that is not for sale for sale and swindle you. Or how to do yahoo yahoo. Nobody wants any research or development. Before u blame the govt for poor universities, it is the students who go to school and start joining cults.

All indications point to Nigeria and Nigerians being a cursed ppl.

Rossikk:


Stop typing rubbish. Nigerian/West African soil is very unfriendly to grass. In Europe and other temperate regions you don't even need to plant any grass before it grows. All you have to do is trim and cut. That's why everywhere is covered on grass as a lawn, or there's a pavement/road, and very little sand to see. It is about soil type.

Typical Nigerian lazy attitude - excuses or find someone to blame e.g. government

pressplay411:
We're but victims of white manipulation.
They changed our story. Gave us a false sense of control. They pitch us against each other and exploit us using divide and rule.
Whenever we strive for liberation they execute the head and we're back to the scratch.

They never blame themselves because it's easier to blame the white man.

Rossikk:


Europe was once a ''third world shithole''. Less than a century ago London was rife with disease and deprivation. Millions died of poverty and cold as Buckingham Palace was being erected. Child labour was the order of the day. It took them decades of legislation and activism for change to occur. Were they 'inferior' back then too? if being underdeveloped or poor is a sign of ''inferiority'' then Indians must be inferior to Africans, because as research shows, they are poorer: http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/8-indian-states-25-african-nations-oxford-study-on-poverty/story-ys7Oths8HIzK21WWdB8AnL.html




So you think a mixed person is more intelligent than a black person? On what scientific basis, you chalartan? Botswana by the way has had very great governance before and after their one 'mixed race' president. That you would adduce their progress to him alone shows the depth of your self-hatred and inferiority complex. Botswana predicated their laws and politics on African traditions. Are you aware of that? That is what accounts for their success. Their lack of self-hate. Learn from them.

Your problem is that you are mentally lazy. You've been brainwashed to hate yourself and your race, and to seek easy answers.

But your salvation is coming. Blacks were indeed cursed, and one of those curses was that they would forget who they were, and their greatness as a people. You are a personification of that particular curse.

These are just ego driven consolation. On a continent where leaders feel no shame going for medical treatment abroad.

They should just build a hospital in Abuja, call it Executive Hospital and have all African presidents be coming to Abuja. Not open to the general public. Don't these ppl feel any shame going to hospital in Europe?! Mugabe etc

It's largely an issue of culture. The culture in Africa is one where irresponsibility is celebrated.

By and large though black skin is not a good skin colour. It's not self hatred it's statistical fact.

Proof of Nigerians being cursed:

1. They knock down road signage time and time again; the Government had invested in blue arrow signs showing you which lane you should take; they keep knocking them down... these signs work in other countries... if the Government had not been putting the signs back when knocked down it would have been back to square one. This means Nigerians are saying by this action: "To hell with development, I want to take the wrong lane at night, slam into an oncoming truck and die"

2. Government had put traffic lights, they still dont stop at red!

3. It takes Government Officials to prevent traffic grid lock. Remove traffic officers, they will be road blockage.

I know someone will come and try to blame all these on the government.

But the truth is that Nigerians are unable to govern themselves. Sometimes I wonder if Nigerians are cursed (the ones who dont believe in any deities that is to say).

All the developments coming to Nigeria are FORCED on the nation by the World Bank, WHO etc.

All they know is to consume and make quick easy money.

And have you seen how these people drive? These are a people that take pride in reckless dangerous driving with no regard for human life and one of the highest collision (accident) numbers in the world...

And then the belief in free money...

Instead of becoming defensive, raining insults or deflecting these truths - can all readers take time to examine why these people behave this way.
Are Nigerians cursed?
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Re: Living Proofs That Nigerians Are Lazy Irresponsible Criminally Minded Savages by Obalende: 8:26pm On Dec 30
The so called unemployed youths, instead of going into agriculture, migrating to ECOWAS states for a better life with their ECOWAS passports or otherwise seeking employment with the state government or providing services (receptionist, driver, mechanic anything legit), resort to bribery and corruption and criminal acts (its easier to steal a car than sweep the road and get paid by the government).

Hire a driver and he will even plot how to rob you further proving the suggested curse hypothesis.

Okay take danfo drivers, they gross N600-N700k per month if not more, yet for 10 yrs they are happy to operate run down buses. They even now resorted to one chance despite a chance to make good money with busses. Its easier to do one chance than work. Isnt that lazy/savage?

I will not speak against the current administration because it is clear the government is working to end the things I have mentioned but this is a nation that has a history of perpetual looting - why are Norway Sweden and Finland Governments not looting?

From all indications, its a cursed people. If anybody is opposing this motion, say why.

Obalende:
They never blame themselves because it's easier to blame the white man.

And you don't agree with any of it?

pressplay411:


And you don't agree with any of it?

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No I disagree with blaming the white man. Nigeria and Nigerians should be responsible enough to take responsibility for their situation. Please also note Nigeria of colonial times was better than the Nigeria of today. Don't argue this as an easy way go escape the shame that Nigeria is today. Is white man responsible for failure of Nigerians to drive responsibly or for medical tourism in Europe.

Obalende:
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No I disagree with blaming the white man. Nigeria and Nigerians should be responsible enough to take responsibility for their situation. Please also note Nigeria of colonial times was better than the Nigeria of today. Don't argue this as an easy way go escape the shame that Nigeria is today. Is white man responsible for failure of Nigerians to drive responsibly or for medical tourism in Europe.

You don't diagnose an ailment simply by its symptoms. You trace it's root. All that you mentioned are offshoots from the White's influence and seed of discord they planted amidst us.
Yes we should take responsibility but that doesn't take away the blame from the Whites.
Even today, they're are still negatively influencing developing countries around the world for their selfish interest.

pressplay411:


You don't diagnose an ailment simply by its symptoms. You trace it's root. All that you mentioned are offshoots from the White's influence and seed of discord they planted amidst us.
Yes we should take responsibility but that doesn't take away the blame from the Whites.
Even today, they're are still negatively influencing developing countries around the world for their selfish interest.

How are white men responsible for bribery of the Nigerian Police? If you could explain just this one then we will see the validity of your point.

Why are you guys against the building if skyscrapers in Africa? Don't you know skyscrapers saves land and conserves space? If there are many skyscrapers in Lagos, Lagos will not have become a congested city.