[b]Background:

Dionysus, a Greek God, and Osiris, an Egyptian God were viewed as mythical characters. Osiris may have been the first godman. His story has been found recorded in pyramid texts which were written prior to 2,500 BCE. These and other saviors were truly interchangeable. Coins have been found with Dionysus on one side and Mithras on the other. A person who was initiated into one of the mysteries had no difficulty switching to another Pagan mystery religion.

In the 3rd century CE, these godmen were referred to by the composite name "Osiris-Dionysus." Authors Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy have used this term in their book "The Jesus Mysteries." 1



Life events shared by Osiris, Dionysus and Jesus
The following stories appear both in the Gospels and in the myths of many of the godmen:
Conception:
God was his father. This was believed to be literally true in the case of Osiris-Dionysus; their God came to earth and engaged in sexual intercourse with a human. The father of Jesus is God in the form of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 1:18).
A human woman, a virgin, was his mother.
Birth:
He was born in a cave or cowshed. Luke 2:7 mentions that Jesus was placed in a manger - an eating trough for animals. An early Christian tradition said that the manger was in a cave.
His birth was prophesized by a star in the heavens.
Ministry:
At a marriage ceremony, he performed the miracle of converting water into wine.
He was powerless to perform miracles in his home town.
His followers were born-again through baptism in water.
He rode triumphantly into a city on a donkey. Tradition records that the inhabitants waved palm leaves.
He had 12 disciples.
He was accused of licentious behavior.
Execution, resurrection, etc:
He was killed near the time of the Vernal Equinox, about MAR-21.
He died "as a sacrifice for the sins of the world." 1
He was hung on a tree, stake, or cross.
After death, he descended into hell.
On the third day after his death, he returned to life.
The cave where he was laid was visited by three of his female followers
He later ascended to heaven.
His titles:
God made flesh.
Savior of the world.
Son of God.
Beliefs about the God-man:
He is "God made man," and equal to the Father.
He will return in the last days.
He will judge the human race at that time.
Humans are separated from God by original sin. The godman's sacrificial death reunites the believer with God and atones for the original sin.

All of the Pagan myths had been circulating for centuries before Jesus birth (circa 4 to 7 BCE). It is obvious that if any copying occurred, it was the followers of Jesus incorporating into his biography the myths and legends of Osiris-Dionysus, not vice-versa.



References

1. Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy, "The Jesus Mysteries: Was the 'original Jesus' a Pagan god?" Acacia Press, (1999).
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[b]SPECIFIC SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE LIVES OF JESUS AND KRISHNA

Correspondences between events in Jesus' and Krishna's life:

Author Kersey Graves (1813-1883), a Quaker from Indiana, compared Yeshua's and Krishna's life. He found 346 elements in common within Christiana and Hindu writings. 1 Some selected events are:
#6 & 45: Yeshua and Krishna were called both a God and the Son of God.
7: Both was sent from heaven to earth in the form of a man.
8 & 46: Both were called Savior, and the second person of the Trinity.
13, 15, 16 & 23: Their mothers were holy virgins, who had similar names: Miriam (Mary) and Maia. His adoptive human father was a carpenter.
18: A spirit or ghost was their actual father.
21: Krishna and Jesus were of royal descent.
27 & 28: Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds, guided by a star.
30 to 34: An angel issued a warning that the local dictator planned to kill the baby and had issued a decree for his assassination. The parents fled. Mary and Joseph stayed in Muturea; Krishna's parents stayed in Mathura.
41 & 42: Both Yeshua and Krishna withdrew to the wilderness as adults, and fasted.
56: Both were identified as "the seed of the woman bruising the serpent's head."
58: Jesus was called "the lion of the tribe of Judah." Krishna was called "the lion of the tribe of Saki."
60: Both claimed: "I am the Resurrection."
64: Both referred to themselves having existed before their birth on earth.
66: Both were "without sin."
72: Both were god-men: being considered both human and divine.
76, 77, & 78: They were both considered omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.
83, 84, & 85: Both performed many miracles, including the healing of disease. One of the first miracles that both performed was to make a leper whole. Each cured "all manner of diseases."
86 & 87: Both cast out indwelling demons, and raised the dead.
101: Both selected disciples to spread his teachings.
109 to 112: Both were meek, and merciful. Both were criticized for associating with sinners.
115: Both encountered a Gentile woman at a well.
121 to 127: Both celebrated a last supper. Both forgave his enemies.
128 to 131: Both descended into Hell, and were resurrected. Many people witnessed their ascensions into heaven.

Graves stated that both Krishna and Yeshua were born on December 25. He was in error on this: Krishna is traditionally believed to have been born during August. The festival Janmashtami is held in honor of this birth. The birth day of Jesus is unknown, but is believed by many to have also been about August. December 25th was chosen for Christmas because of a pre-existent Pagan Roman holiday, Saturnalia. December 25th was also recognized in ancient times as the birth day of various other god-men such as Attis and Mithra.

In addition, there are other points of similarity between Krishna and Yeshua:
"The object of Krishna's birth was to bring about a victory of good over evil." 2
Krishna "came onto earth to cleanse the sins of the human beings." 2
"Krishna was born while his foster-father Nanda was in the city to pay his tax to the king." 3 Yeshua was born while his foster-father, Joseph, was in the city to be enumerated in a census so that "all the world could be taxed."
Jesus is recorded as saying: "if you had faith as a mustard seed you would say to the mountain uproot yourself and be cast into the ocean" Krishna is reported as having uprooted a small mountain. 4



Were Krishna and Yeshua both crucified and later risen to heaven?

In addition to the above points of correspondence between Yeshua and Krishna, there may be one more similarity: they may have both been crucified.

In his book, Graves stated flatly that both Yeshua and Krishna were crucified between two thieves, at the age of about 30 to 36 by "wicked hands." However, this may have been wishful thinking. The "common, orthodox depiction of Krishna's death relates that he was shot in the foot with an arrow while under a tree." 5 But:
The author Jacolliot, referring to the "Bagaveda-Gita and Brahminical traditions," states that the body of Krishna: "was suspended to the branches of a tree by his murderer, that it might become the prey of the vultures, [Later] the mortal frame of the Redeemer had disappeared--no doubt it had regained the celestial abodes, " 6
M. Guigniaut's Religion de l'Antiquité, which states: "The death of Crishna is very differently related. One remarkable and convincing tradition makes him perish on a tree, to which he was nailed by the stroke of an arrow." 7
There are other references to Krishna being crucified, and being shown with holes in his feet, hands and side. 5

In the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) Yeshua's crucifixion on a cross or stake is often referred to as being "hung on a tree:"
Acts 5:30: "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, hanging him on a tree.
Acts 10:39: ", hanging him on a tree."
Acts 13:29: ", they took him down from the tree, "
Galatians 3:13: "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree."
1 Peter 2:24: ", who his own self bare our sins in his body upon the tree, " (All ASV)



Correspondences between beliefs in Hinduism and Christianity:
A future reward in heaven or punishment in Hell.
Hinduism and Catholicism share the concept of Purgatory.
A day of judgment.
A general resurrection.
The need for repentance for sin.
Salvation requires faith in the Savior.
A belief in angels and of evil spirits.
A belief that disease and sickness is caused by evil spirits.
A past war in heaven between good and bad angels.
Free will.
God is considered the "Word of Logos."
Their religious texts talk of "the blind leading the blind," "a new heaven and a new earth, "living water," "all scripture is given by inspiration of God," "all scripture is profitable for doctrine," "to die is great gain," etc.
Fasting forms a part of both religions.
The act of being born again is present in both religions.



Points of similarity between Hinduism and Christianity:
Symbols: The trident -- traditionally carried by the Hindu Goddess Shiva, is somewhat similar to the Christian cross. Adding a vertical horn at both ends of the horizontal bar of a cross will convert it into a trident with three prongs. This actually was done to a Christian cross erected by a Baptist community of 1,200 in Ranalia, India. For decades, the Baptists had annually whitewashed a cross symbol on a large rock in a hill above the town. In early 1999, someone added two horns, turning the cross into a trident. When the smoke cleared (literally) more than 150 mud huts owned by Christians had been gutted by arson. Some named the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party as perpetrators. However, that was denied by the local head of the party. This is a very unusual event, because Hindus in India are known for their unusually high level of religious tolerance. Many Hindus believe that all religion can lead their members to god. 8
The role of water: Most Christians baptize either mature members or infants in the congregation. Sometime this is done by total immersion in water; sometimes by sprinkling water over the individual's head. In the Roman Catholic Church, baptism is a sacrament that washes away the person's original sin. Immersion in water by Hindus is also an important ritual. "Water in Hinduism has a special place because it is believed to have spiritually cleansing powers, In the sacred water distinctions of caste are supposed to count for nothing, as all sins fall away, Every temple has a pond near it and devotees are supposed to take a bath before entering the temple." 9



References:

1. Kersey Graves, "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors," Adventures Unlimited Press, Chapter 32, Page 279. (1875; Reprinted 2001). Read reviews or order this book safely from Amazon.com online book store.
2. "Festivals: Krishna Janmashtami," at: http://www.andhratoday.com/festival/janmasht.htm
3. "Pagan origins of the Christ myth: Pagan Christs: Krishna," at: http://home.earthlink.net/~pgwhacker/
4. Fred Nojd, "Jesus - By No Means Unique," at: http://members.attcanada.ca/~fnojd/
5. Acharya S, "Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled," at: http://www.truthbeknown.com/kcrucified.htm
6. Jacolliot, "The Bible in India," Sun Publ. Co., (1992). Read reviews or order this book safely from Amazon.com online book store.
7. M. Guigniaut, "Religion de l'Antiquité"
8. "Shiva vs. Jesus: Hindus Burn Homes of Christians," New York Times, 1999-MAR-23, at: http://www.churchstate.org/n990323.html"The Water Page," at: http://www.thewaterpage.com/religion.htm
9. "Water in Religion," The Water Page, at: http://www.thewaterpage.com/religion.htm




Other essays dealing with the parallels between Jesus and Krishna:
"Examining the Crucifixion of Jesus and parallels to crucified sun-G-ds #3," at: http://paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com/
"Pagan Christs," at: http://home.earthlink.net/~pgwhacker/
"Jesus Christ and Bhagavan Krishna: Original Christianity as taught by Jesus and Original Yoga as taught by Krishna; both are for the upliftment of mankind," at: http://ompage.net/ChristKrishna/christkrishna.htm
Stephen Eck, "Hare Jesus: Christianity's Hindu Heritage," Skeptical Review, 1994, #3. Online at: http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/
"Krishna and Jesus: Will The Real Savior Please Stand Up?," at: http://www.atheistalliance.org/library/
Prithu das Adhikary, "Jesus and Krishna," at: http://www.omjesus.com/
Fred Nojd, "Jesus - By No Means Unique," at: http://members.attcanada.ca/~fnojd/


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[b]There are many dozens of events in the gospels that are very similar, or identical, to incidents which appeared centuries before, in the stories of Pagan hero/saviors. These "god-men" were worshiped by the priesthood and laity of Mediterranean and Middle East religions. This linkage was known by many early Christian writers. They attributed the parallels to Satan. They figured that the devil had influenced the creation of Pagan religions in the centuries before Jesus' birth. The devil had caused those religions to worship saviors whose lives were nearly identical to Jesus'. Satan's purpose was to make a pre-emptive strike against the gospel stories centuries before Jesus was born. The devil would thereby discredit them, using the technique of "diabolical mimicry." Other Christian theologians have taught that Pagan myths were simply "pre-echoes" of Jesus' life -- a form of prophecy or premonition. There are other possible reasons for the linkages.

Modern-day conservative Christians either discount the similarities of gospel and pagan stories, or agree with the assessments of early Christians. Some of the most radical of liberal Christians see Jesus as simply the Jewish equivalent of a Pagan savior, such as the Egyptian Osiris or Greek Dionysus. They view Jesus' biography in the gospels as having been largely lifted from Paganism.



Pagan saviors of humanity:

Pagan spirituality in ancient times from the Mediterranean region was composed of two components:
The Outer Mysteries consisted of Pagan beliefs and practices which were widely disseminated and taught to the general public. Knowledge of these has been preserved in historical records.
The Inner Mysteries were revealed only to those who had been initiated into the Pagan religions. The initiates learned that Osiris-Dionysus was not a historical person. His legends were simple "spiritual allegories encoding spiritual teachings." 1 Late in the 4th century CE, Christianity was established as the state religion. Pagans were given the choice of converting to Christianity, being exterminated or being exiled. Their temples were either stolen for use as Christian churches, or destroyed. Eventually, detailed knowledge of the inner mysteries was lost.

The core of the Outer and Inner mysteries was a mythical, male entity who was part god and part human -- often referred to as a "god-man." The biographies of these god-men were consistent from religion to religion. The main difference among the faiths was his name:
Alexandria: Aion
Asia Minor: Attis
Babylonia: Antiochus
Egypt: Osiris
Greece: Dionysus, Asclepius
Syria: Adonis
Italy: Bacchus
Persia: Mithras

These were viewed as mythical characters. There were also some self-proclaimed god-men -- humans who actually lived on earth. Two are:
Samos, Italy: Pythagoras (569 to circa 475 BCE)
Sicily: Empedocles (circa 450 to 390 BCE)

Osiris in Egypt may have been the first god-man. His story has been found recorded in pyramid texts which were written prior to 2,500 BCE.

These saviors were truly interchangeable. Coins have been found with Dionysus on one side and Mithras on the other. A person who was initiated into one of the mysteries had no difficulty switching to another Pagan mystery religion.

In the 3rd century CE, these godmen were referred to by the composite name "Osiris-Dionysus." Authors Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy have used this term in their book "The Jesus Mysteries." 1



References

1. Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy, "The Jesus Mysteries: Was the 'original Jesus' a Pagan god?" Acacia Press, (1999).[/b]

MIZIEYA:
[b]Background:

Dionysus, a Greek God, and Osiris, an Egyptian God were viewed as mythical characters. Osiris may have been the first godman. His story has been found recorded in pyramid texts which were written prior to 2,500 BCE.

If this were true, you would show us the texts.

You have never seen them before.

You do not even know their names.

Oyinbos are infamous for making up references that do not exist.

These and other saviors were truly interchangeable. Coins have been found with Dionysus on one side and Mithras on the other.

WHY CANNOT YOU SHOW US THESE COINS, IF THEY EXIST?

Life events shared by Osiris, Dionysus and Jesus
The following stories appear both in the Gospels and in the myths of many of the godmen:
Conception:
God was his father. This was believed to be literally true in the case of Osiris-Dionysus; their God came to earth and engaged in sexual intercourse with a human. The father of Jesus is God in the form of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 1:18).
A human woman, a virgin, was his mother.
Birth:
He was born in a cave or cowshed. Luke 2:7 mentions that Jesus was placed in a manger - an eating trough for animals. An early Christian tradition said that the manger was in a cave.
His birth was prophesized by a star in the heavens.

WHAT IS YOUR SOURCE OF REFERENCE FOR THE BIRTHS OF OSIRIS AND DIONYSUS?

Ministry:
At a marriage ceremony, he performed the miracle of converting water into wine.
He was powerless to perform miracles in his home town.
His followers were born-again through baptism in water.
He rode triumphantly into a city on a donkey. Tradition records that the inhabitants waved palm leaves.

WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF THESE FABLES?

Why have we never heard of them before?

He had 12 disciples.

NONE OF WHOM YOU CAN NAME.

D.M. MURDOCH, alias ARCHYRA S. made these same claims of OSIRIS' SON, HORUS.

He was accused of licentious behavior.
Execution, resurrection, etc:
He was killed near the time of the Vernal Equinox, about MAR-21.
He died "as a sacrifice for the sins of the world." 1
He was hung on a tree, stake, or cross.
After death, he descended into hell.
On the third day after his death, he returned to life.
The cave where he was laid was visited by three of his female followers
He later ascended to heaven.
His titles:
God made flesh.
Savior of the world.
Son of God.
Beliefs about the God-man:
He is "God made man," and equal to the Father.
He will return in the last days.
He will judge the human race at that time.
Humans are separated from God by original sin. The godman's sacrificial death reunites the believer with God and atones for the original sin.

NONE OF THESE CLAIMS HAVE ANY REFERENCES WHATSOEVER!

We are supposed to be so gullible, because you were gullible?

All of the Pagan myths had been circulating for centuries before Jesus birth (circa 4 to 7 BCE). It is obvious that if any copying occurred, it was the followers of Jesus incorporating into his biography the myths and legends of Osiris-Dionysus, not vice-versa.

References

1. Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy, "The Jesus Mysteries: Was the 'original Jesus' a Pagan god?" Acacia Press, (1999).
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THIS IS NOT A REFERENCE- THIS IS CITING SOMEONE WHO JUST PULLS UNPROVEN "FACTS" OUT OF HIS (WHEREVER IT IS THESE PEOPLE PULL THEM OUT OF).

There is no evidence that YOU have even SEEN a copy of this book!

Who are "TIMOTHY FREKE" and "PETER GANDY?"

Are those names even real?

"FREAK?" "GHANDI?"

The Oyinbos like to show they are clever with their pseudonyms.

Is it not the height of RUDENESS to rubbish Sacred Beliefs of responsible adults, without FIRST OF ALL introducing your AUTHORITIES and their SOURCES?

It appears that Peter Freke and Timothy Gandi might actually be real people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L89YFRqnss

Nonetheless, that does not make their claims real.

The Egyptian god OSIRIS was in some legends the son of the Earth god GEB and the Sky goddess NUT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris

In other legends, his father was allged to be RA, the Sun god, King of the gods.

He was killed by his evil brother SET, god of the Desert, Storms, Disorder, Violence, and Foreigners.

His body was dismembered, and scattered all over Egypt.

His faithful wife, ISIS painstakingly gathered all of those pieces, and reassembled them for his Resurrection (this is what we were taught when I was in school). There is no way that she could have done all that in three days!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis

The Wikipedia reference says that the pieces of Osiris' body were scattered over the EARTH!

This is nothing like YAHSHUA.

. JOHN 19:32-36.

32. Then came the soldiers,
and brake the legs of the first,
and of the other which was crucified with him.
33. But when they came to Jesus,
and saw that he was dead already,
they brake not his legs:
34. But one of the soldiers
with a spear pierced his side,
and forthwith came there out
blood and water.
35. And he that saw it bare record,
and his record is true:
and he knoweth that he saith true,
that ye might believe.
36. For these things were done,
that the Scripture should be fulfilled,

"A BONE OF HIM SHALL NOT BE BROKEN."

WHAT WERE THE TEACHINGS OF THESE SUPPOSED GOD-MEN?

As important as they are supposed to be, they are practically forgotten, except by diligent scholars.

Those purporting to use them against Christianity cannot tell us what they were.

It seems to me, that all they can do is merely slander.