haymekus:



The best thing is to use arnaiz that guys is good

Arniaz would start tomorrow..Its the other 2 that I dont know yet..I still urge caution on dembele so I don't want him starting Yet.

tesppidd:
I dunno but.......



I just need me a treble.

Hehehe..My Prayer button works too.

Newbie to this Barca thread. First and foremost, wish you all a happy new year.
*On Coutinho, when the saga initially started last season, i was against it not because he is not good, far from it cause he will be among our best 3 midfielders along with Busquet and Iniesta, all worldclass. What i wanted was a controlling midfielder like Verratti then, someone to bench Rakitic for good. But seeing as we have been signing shit midfielders over the years (Turan, Gomes and to some extent Paulinho, yes, he is not worldclass but atleast useful unlike the previous two), i decided i will be alright with Coutinho been worldclass and will help with creativity which has disappeared in our midfield except through Iniesta sometimes. Besides, we can just make Iniesta our controller and Coutinho AM. Latest reports has his cost at 120 + 40m which is excessive but not bad. Time to pay good morning for quality instead of overpaying for average players which are now too much in our squad.
*On Mina, have seen many of his clips and each time ended up disappointed. His only real positives are height, good aerially and passing. He is very slow (slower than Pique) and lets recall we play a highline at the back and we know what speedsters do to Pique regularly. Mina also gets beaten regularly. He may be cheap but still has to adapt and we know how long that can take in a team like ours. It may affect us in the champions league. Why not just recall Marlon from loan? He has been with us for sometime, did well whenever used last season, has good qualities and has been a starter in Nice since he joined. Vermalean become 3rd choice and Marlon 4th. That way, when Vermalean leaves in the summer, we can just go for Ajax's De Ligt.
*Lastly on Arthur; I think 50m is too much for him. Sincerely speaking, i dont see what he does that someone like Samper can't be trained to do. Some players skillsets fits possession teams like ours alone. Guardiola, Xavi, Busquet and Samper are all similar types of footballers. Pep and Xavi were nearly sold if not that Cruyff, Van Gaal and Pep discovered them and stuck to them. Had Pep been our coach when Samper came of age, he would have promoted and developed him by now. Arthur is nothing exceptional. He has no super vision, Fabregaslike passing. Everything he does can be done by Samper. Imagine someone like Busquet been our controlling midfielder? Samper plays like Busquet. Just need some finetuning and directions. We need to start trusting our youths again. Alena should also be given a chance.

Psalmueldo:
Newbie to this Barca thread. First and foremost, wish you all a happy new year.
*On Coutinho, when the saga initially started last season, i was against it not because he is not good, far from it cause he will be among our best 3 midfielders along with Busquet and Iniesta, all worldclass. What i wanted was a controlling midfielder like Verratti then, someone to bench Rakitic for good. But seeing as we have been signing shit midfielders over the years (Turan, Gomes and to some extent Paulinho, yes, he is not worldclass but atleast useful unlike the previous two), i decided i will be alright with Coutinho been worldclass and will help with creativity which has disappeared in our midfield except through Iniesta sometimes. Besides, we can just make Iniesta our controller and Coutinho AM. Latest reports has his cost at 120 + 40m which is excessive but not bad. Time to pay good morning for quality instead of overpaying for average players which are now too much in our squad.
*On Mina, have seen many of his clips and each time ended up disappointed. His only real positives are height, good aerially and passing. He is very slow (slower than Pique) and lets recall we play a highline at the back and we know what speedsters do to Pique regularly. Mina also gets beaten regularly. He may be cheap but still has to adapt and we know how long that can take in a team like ours. It may affect us in the champions league. Why not just recall Marlon from loan? He has been with us for sometime, did well whenever used last season, has good qualities and has been a starter in Nice since he joined. Vermalean become 3rd choice and Marlon 4th. That way, when Vermalean leaves in the summer, we can just go for Ajax's De Ligt.
*Lastly on Arthur; I think 50m is too much for him. Sincerely speaking, i dont see what he does that someone like Samper can't be trained to do. Some players skillsets fits possession teams like ours alone. Guardiola, Xavi, Busquet and Samper are all similar types of footballers. Pep and Xavi were nearly sold if not that Cruyff, Van Gaal and Pep discovered them and stuck to them. Had Pep been our coach when Samper came of age, he would have promoted and developed him by now. Arthur is nothing exceptional. He has no super vision, Fabregaslike passing. Everything he does can be done by Samper. Imagine someone like Busquet been our controlling midfielder? Samper plays like Busquet. Just need some finetuning and directions. We need to start trusting our youths again. Alena should also be given a chance.

Try to put more space in your write-up..it isn't easy to read like that

Anyway..welcome

Psalmueldo:
Newbie to this Barca thread. First and foremost, wish you all a happy new year.
*On Coutinho, when the saga initially started last season, i was against it not because he is not good, far from it cause he will be among our best 3 midfielders along with Busquet and Iniesta, all worldclass. What i wanted was a controlling midfielder like Verratti then, someone to bench Rakitic for good. But seeing as we have been signing shit midfielders over the years (Turan, Gomes and to some extent Paulinho, yes, he is not worldclass but atleast useful unlike the previous two), i decided i will be alright with Coutinho been worldclass and will help with creativity which has disappeared in our midfield except through Iniesta sometimes. Besides, we can just make Iniesta our controller and Coutinho AM. Latest reports has his cost at 120 + 40m which is excessive but not bad. Time to pay good morning for quality instead of overpaying for average players which are now too much in our squad.
*On Mina, have seen many of his clips and each time ended up disappointed. His only real positives are height, good aerially and passing. He is very slow (slower than Pique) and lets recall we play a highline at the back and we know what speedsters do to Pique regularly. Mina also gets beaten regularly. He may be cheap but still has to adapt and we know how long that can take in a team like ours. It may affect us in the champions league. Why not just recall Marlon from loan? He has been with us for sometime, did well whenever used last season, has good qualities and has been a starter in Nice since he joined. Vermalean become 3rd choice and Marlon 4th. That way, when Vermalean leaves in the summer, we can just go for Ajax's De Ligt.
*Lastly on Arthur; I think 50m is too much for him. Sincerely speaking, i dont see what he does that someone like Samper can't be trained to do. Some players skillsets fits possession teams like ours alone. Guardiola, Xavi, Busquet and Samper are all similar types of footballers. Pep and Xavi were nearly sold if not that Cruyff, Van Gaal and Pep discovered them and stuck to them. Had Pep been our coach when Samper came of age, he would have promoted and developed him by now. Arthur is nothing exceptional. He has no super vision, Fabregaslike passing. Everything he does can be done by Samper. Imagine someone like Busquet been our controlling midfielder? Samper plays like Busquet. Just need some finetuning and directions. We need to start trusting our youths again. Alena should also be given a chance.

It's a big shame what we're doing with our graduates.

Few years from now, messi, Pique, busquet, iniesta and the rest will hang their boots and all we'll be left with will be mercenaries.

But, instead of disturbing ourselves with this coutinho issue can't we just go 4 thiago instead, i think he's a better option 4 our midfield. If rafinha comes back and turns out to be as good, it will be very nice to c d alcantara brothers bossing the midfield....

SerVik:

It's a big shame what we're doing with our graduates.

Few years from now, messi, Pique, busquet, iniesta and the rest will hang their boots and all we'll be left with will be mercenaries.

How many of our graduates have lived up to their hype? Deulofeu? Tello? Cuenca? Halilovic? Samper? The sooner we realize that xavi, iniesta, messi, puyol, busquets are once in a generation players and we have to keep buying to be able to compete the better for us.

Profpsalm:
But, instead of disturbing ourselves with this coutinho issue can't we just go 4 thiago instead, i think he's a better option 4 our midfield. If rafinha comes back and turns out to be as good, it will be very nice to c d alcantara brothers bossing the midfield....

Thiago has said repeatedly that he is not coming back. Besides, he is too injury prone.

oseriki9:
How many of our graduates have lived up to their hype? Deulofeu? Tello? Cuenca? Halilovic? Samper? The sooner we realize that xavi, iniesta, messi, puyol, busquets are once in a generation players and we have to keep buying to be able to compete the better for us.

You are forgetting that Xavi and Iniesta did not become instant hit. It took them years with the first team before they became whov they are today. We are not giving our quality youths enough chances. We want other clubs to develop them for us instead of training them our own way. Many complained when Pep benched Yaya for unknown Busquet, Sergi Roberto was almost sold after 2 seasons of constant insults and claims of "he is not good enough". Samper could have deputized for Busquet and learned but we keep loaning him to relegation battling counter attacking teams. Tell me if almighty Busquet will thrive in such set up. Hallilovic too was a very technical player and should have been allowed to train and develop here. Instead, we fill the team with average buys and have no room for homegrown players again. If not, Roberto should be in midfield and we shouldn't have Arda or Gomes, both are clearly below Roberto in terms of quality but we have to play Roberto outside his best position just to accomodate some average players.

oseriki9:
How many of our graduates have lived up to their hype? Deulofeu? Tello? Cuenca? Halilovic? Samper? The sooner we realize that xavi, iniesta, messi, puyol, busquets are once in a generation players and we have to keep buying to be able to compete the better for us.

You have to consistently give these youngsters a chance to conclude they did not live up to the hype. Pre-season after preseason we see samper bossing things but he rarely gets the chance in the season proper.

Alena is another great prospect I want us to integrate.

One can even argue that the senseless loans deulofeu was made to go to clubs that do no have any semblance whatsoever with the Barca way of play contributed in hampering his development. The typical kick and run manner he goes about with his game today is typical of the epl. I mean, this guy was once touted to be the next messi.

Nobody is expecting them to be the next iniesta and xavi. I mean, we have Andre F.ucking gomes in our squad, our graduates can't possibly be worse.

Psalmueldo:

You are forgetting that Xavi and Iniesta did not become instant hit. It took them years with the first team before they became whov they are today. We are not giving our quality youths enough chances. We want other clubs to develop them for us instead of training them our own way. Many complained when Pep benched Yaya for unknown Busquet, Sergi Roberto was almost sold after 2 seasons of constant insults and claims of "he is not good enough". Samper could have deputized for Busquet and learned but we keep loaning him to relegation battling counter attacking teams. Tell me if almighty Busquet will thrive in such set up. Hallilovic too was a very technical player and should have been allowed to train and develop here. Instead, we fill the team with average buys and have no room for homegrown players again. If not, Roberto should be in midfield and we shouldn't have Arda or Gomes, both are clearly below Roberto in terms of quality but we have to play Roberto outside his best position just to accomodate some average players.

didn't even read this before posting mine. Nice one

Psalmueldo:

You are forgetting that Xavi and Iniesta did not become instant hit. It took them years with the first team before they became whov they are today. We are not giving our quality youths enough chances. We want other clubs to develop them for us instead of training them our own way. Many complained when Pep benched Yaya for unknown Busquet, Sergi Roberto was almost sold after 2 seasons of constant insults and claims of "he is not good enough". Samper could have deputized for Busquet and learned but we keep loaning him to relegation battling counter attacking teams. Tell me if almighty Busquet will thrive in such set up. Hallilovic too was a very technical player and should have been allowed to train and develop here. Instead, we fill the team with average buys and have no room for homegrown players again. If not, Roberto should be in midfield and we shouldn't have Arda or Gomes, both are clearly below Roberto in terms of quality but we have to play Roberto outside his best position just to accomodate some average players.

Don't be so sure his preferred position may not necessarily be his best.
IIRC we played something close to counter attacking football durinh LE's tenure busquets thrived then.

Remember Bojan touted to be better than messi where is he now? His development was stalled because he was pushed to the first team to early.

Tell me if samper was here after he has been trained under busquets like you said will he still be here he is 22 now busquets is 29(he still has about 5 years left in him) will samper still stay and play second fiddle? Not all players are as loyal as roberto

SerVik:

You have to consistently give these youngsters a chance to conclude they did not live up to the hype. Pre-season after preseason we see samper bossing things but he rarely gets the chance in the season proper.

Alena is another great prospect I want us to integrate.

One can even argue that the senseless loans deulofeu was made to go to clubs that do no have any semblance whatsoever with the Barca way of play contributed in hampering his development. The typical kick and run manner he goes about with his game today is typical of the epl. I mean, this guy was once touted to be the next messi.

Nobody is expecting them to be the next iniesta and xavi. I mean, we have Andre F.ucking gomes in our squad, our graduates can't possibly be worse.

Who was deulofeu going to bench at the time Neymar? Messi? If we had left him here his development will have been severely stalled and he will have pushed for a move.

Servik do you think we should buy coutinho?

Squad List for tomorrow.



Confirmed...LaLiga and Champions league are our objectives for this season.

Forget the Coutinho deal.


Özil available for 20million or less.

oseriki9:
Servik do you think we should buy coutinho?

I think the only buys we should make now are those that'd give us competitive edge in the Champions League, Coutinho does not meet that criteria.

The squad we have at the moment is capable of executing the league and CDR, if we move Roberto to midfield, we can easily rest iniesta for the important games, I believe if Roberto plays a full season in midfield he'll be unplayable.

If we must go for a midfielder this winter, it should be fekir.

What worries me the most is that we have too many midfielders and offloading those excesses like turan and co. Is our biggest problem. I can't even hear any rumour of barca trying to sell anybody...

Nobody is saying anything about Mascherano to China stories here. I feel it's disrespectful to let such a player leave during the winter market. At least they should persuade him to stay till the end of the season and give him a proper send-off.

homesteady:
Nobody is saying anything about Mascherano to China stories here. I feel it's disrespectful to let such a player leave during the winter market. At least they should persuade him to stay till the end of the season and give him a proper send-off.

true he deserves a very good send off.
can't they send him forth at our next home game?

SerVik:

I think the only buys we should make now are those that'd give us competitive edge in the Champions League, Coutinho does not meet that criteria.

The squad we have at the moment is capable of executing the league and CDR, if we move Roberto to midfield, we can easily rest iniesta for the important games, I believe if Roberto plays a full season in midfield he'll be unplayable.

If we must go for a midfielder this winter, it should be fekir.

it's still not a bad idea to buy coutinho now.

but the club must not be ripped off.

not more than 90 or 100 million.

yes he's cup tied.

but the idea of using him in the league and using iniesta majorly in the champions league is appealing.

homesteady:
Nobody is saying anything about Mascherano to China stories here. I feel it's disrespectful to let such a player leave during the winter market. At least they should persuade him to stay till the end of the season and give him a proper send-off.

He is the one pushing to leave. And he is disrupting the clubs plans in the process cause the plan was to replace him in the summer. So, their is nothing disrespectful on the part of the club.

tesppidd:
true he deserves a very good send off.
can't they send him forth at our next home game?

I don't just want any Dani Alves saga again, where if he leaves, he would start saying we disrespected him.

There is nothing compared to giving a player about to leave a standing Ovation at the last match of the season.

The Mascherano should also come out plainly and tell us that he is leaving, he is too old to be doing all this transfer rumour games.

Damn!
Just stumbled on this.
France squad.

Defence:
Umtiti, Varane, Koschielny, Mendy, Sidibe, Kuzarwa.

Midfield:
Pogba, Kante, Matuidi, Tolisso, Rabiot, Ribery, Sissoko, Fekir, Bakayoko.

Attack:
Griezman, Marshal, Giroud, Dembele, Lacazette, Mbappe, Benzema, Lemar.

France should win the next world cup. Their stars' collection is just amazing. The coach is going to have very serious selection issues.

homesteady:


I don't just want any Dani Alves saga again, where if he leaves, he would start saying we disrespected him.

There is nothing compared to giving a player about to leave a standing Ovation at the last match of the season.

The Mascherano should also come out plainly and tell us that he is leaving, he is too old to be doing all this transfer rumour games.

he deserves maximum respect and honour.

Psalmueldo:

He is the one pushing to leave. And he is disrupting the clubs plans in the process cause the plan was to replace him in the summer. So, their is nothing disrespectful on the part of the club.

Then he surely wants something, because I don't see why a player should be fighting to go to China in a Worldcup year. Yes he might want to go there because he would get more play time, but.....

Is there anything like a 6 months contract? let them just give him an improved 6 months contract, with increased play time. Besides now that Umtiti is injured, he is supposed to be the one taking his spot, but he also got injured after Iwobi worked on his waist

oseriki9:

Don't be so sure his preferred position may not necessarily be his best.
IIRC we played something close to counter attacking football durinh LE's tenure busquets thrived then.

Remember Bojan touted to be better than messi where is he now? His development was stalled because he was pushed to the first team to early.

Tell me if samper was here after he has been trained under busquets like you said will he still be here he is 22 now busquets is 29(he still has about 5 years left in him) will samper still stay and play second fiddle? Not all players are as loyal as roberto

True, not all top youngster go on to reach their potential. G. dos santos is a good example but
that doesn't mean they can't turn out decent. In a club with an academy like ours, we should only be buying for positions our youths can't fill. Our squad players should be made up of academy products. Not expensive flops like Arda, Gomes or expensive oldies like Paulinho or people like Alcacer who couldn't even challenge Suarez during his slump. Most of our youngsters that go on loan flop because they are in a team playing strangely compared to what they had played all their lives. Samper bossed Valencia last night playing as the controller cause their new coach loves possession football and used him unlike his former coaches. And yes, Samper rejected Arsenal at a time that Bellerin jumped ship and has always maintained that he wants to succeed with Barca so, he won't have mind been a backup to Busquet plus he may have been converted to a controller cause he has all the traits.

tesppidd:
Damn!
Just stumbled on this.
France squad.

Defence:
Umtiti, Varane, Koschielny, Mendy, Sidibe, Kuzarwa.

Midfield:
Pogba, Kante, Matuidi, Tolisso, Rabiot, Ribery, Sissoko, Fekir, Bakayoko.

Attack:
Griezman, Marshal, Giroud, Dembele, Lacazette, Mbappe, Benzema, Lemar.

France should win the next world cup. Their stars' collection is just amazing. The coach is going to have very serious selection issues.

Ribery still plays for France? Won't that old man retire? I've not seen him play for a while, but I don't see him starting ahead of the likes of Dembele and Mbappe.

Psalmueldo, did you say Mina is slower than Pique?? Are you serious? That's a serious issue oh!

oseriki9:

Who was deulofeu going to bench at the time Neymar? Messi? If we had left him here his development will have been severely stalled and he will have pushed for a move.

Deulofeu was never a model player since his last masia days, always arrogant, a ball hog, not willing to track back and always making shitty decisions but was a super dribbler then, not the kick and run he does now. Deulofeu, like any other forwards knew they couldn't bench MSN so, that's not an excuse. Besides, he is not snagged to stay if he is not happy. He should have been loaned to a technical team but he himself insisted on Everton so, he started his downfall. Munir had a great preseason and it was so obvious he had improved but what did the board do? They spent like 40m on Alcacer. Tell me, is Alcacer 40m better than Munir? And what exactly has he done to justify his price tag? Adama Traore could have been kept and trained and today, could have been the master on the right wing. Just like Deulofeu, he is a ball hog and has poor decision making but is more hardworking, a far better dribble and a lot faster plus he isnt arrogant like Deulofeu. We could have made him a better player. Lets not forget how Lucho treated Grimaldi too.
So you see, many opportunities, talents and money wasted all because we couldn't keep trusting our academy.

VivaLaByke:
Forget the Coutinho deal.


Özil available for 20million or less.

Ozil, another short term fix. Will probably last 2-3 seasons. Lets not forget how he tends to disappear in big matches plus his irritating laziness, never pressing or tracking back. Sorry, I will pick Coutinho over Ozil any day.

homesteady:


Then he surely wants something, because I don't see why a player should be fighting to go to China in a Worldcup year. Yes he might want to go there because he would get more play time, but.....

Is there anything like a 6 months contract? let them just give him an improved 6 months contract, with increased play time. Besides now that Umtiti is injured, he is supposed to be the one taking his spot, but he also got injured after Iwobi worked on his waist

Its about play time and not been able to give everything like before due to age while still wanting to play regularly. Just had timing.