Mickael2:
As in eh, trust nigerians to overlook anything they have in pursuit of something, anything, tagged 'foreign'. When you compare the Ivorian and Malian team that Keshi's team defeated enroute that Afcon win with the present Cameroonian and Algerian teams we faced this year you will see that Keshi did a lot of good work(not to mention that he did it with a restless mind, I mean he had already lost his job at some point!) but just because Rohr qualified us for the WC he is the next best thing after bread and butter. Look at Oliseh and the criticism he received and check where he is now, did Rohr ever get to that point when he was Oliseh's age? But so long as any nigerian is concerned, Oliseh should remain a pundit and he isn't fit enough to polish Rohr's boots, the thing sha tire me

Success keeps away the critics. Rohr has been successful thus far. It has nothing to do with local or foreign. Rohr has faced several criticisms on this page but he is succeeding so the praises are higher.

Oliseh deserved some of the criticism.. His team selection and some of the results were poor. He failed his CHAN test and posted poor results against average sides. He fought with senior players and forced their retirement.

safarigirl:
lol....well, let's hope the move doesn't materialise

Uzoho is sha playing well where he is, and we really can't say if the coach would have played him in the first team with or without Romero's move.

Time will tell sha

Not that I rate Romeo, I think he is just an average gk ( I like his beards by the way). But going by his pedigree as Argentine first choice for almost 10 years and ex Man Utd keeper, he will have the first spot at Deportivo for himself for the next 2-3 years at least.
Uzoho automatically goes from 3rd to 4th choice till a native Spanish keeper burst through the scene.

Kog45:
Thank you Mike,some just see Rohr as tin god as if we don't know much about him in Africa especially with Burkina Faso though i appreciate him for what he is doing presently but still has a long way to go.He has to beat Keshi and Westerhoff record (2nd round WC and Afcon)before he can be a force to reckon with in Nigeria.

Some people like goldfish80 were skeptical about Rohr's appointment because he had not been too successful in his previous jobs.

Thus far, Rohr has done pretty well and deserves his credit.

somehow:
I prefer him in Russia to Turkey.

it is not about our preference now...all that matters is game time...prior the world cup...
let him get a club and be playing weekly first....after the world cup...he can then consider leaving for Russia or elsewhere....

some of this players are never ambitous...probably because few literate ones are among them....

Nigeria players are not winning individual awards not because there is dearth of talents...but because many are comfortable being average...sometimes we need to see the extra training many of this players who are world bests or doing some things exceptional engage in....

no achievements comes easy....I remember back then in the university a coursemate and a friend...asked me...how do I used to do it...that he has always been observing me during exams...I always leave my answer sheet full....even when the quetions are hard...I always write well and it shows in my results......I told him there is nothing different I do...other than I go the extra mile...there was hardly a course I don't study the materials and test books...more than 4 times prior exams....

I discover I easily forget somethings I read when I was in secondary school...so when I get to the university I see need to take advantage of that challenge by studying harder and doing more extra work....

just same it is with academics...that's the way it is with careers and endeavours what you commit your time and effort to...yield better results....

goldfish80:

Not that I rate Romeo, I think he is just an average gk ( I like his beards by the way). But going by his pedigree as Argentine first choice for almost 10 years and ex Man Utd keeper, he will have the first spot at Deportivo for himself for the next 2-3 years at least.
Uzoho automatically goes from 3rd to 4th choice till a native Spanish keeper burst through the scene.

so, you think Uzoho will remain in Deportivo for the next 2-3 years without seeing first team action? And no be say e no good, he will just remain there for 2-3 years, waiting for someone to have sense?

Especially, if per chance, he plays 1st choice goalie for Nigeria and impresses at some point within this period?

Na wa o

somehow:
Largely!

There is no correlation between craze for European football and lack of interest in Nigerians to watch our local leagues. The inability of our local clubs to play attractive football and entertain people is the main reason. Have you ever watched Nigerian league and see what goes on in those matches, its a ffuccking joke,buddy. Very few people will sit down and watch a supposedly professional players playing absolute nonsense. When they start playing beautiful football the news will go around and people will troop in to watch just like we saw with Enugu Rangers 2 seasons ago. Na fine girls boys dey like pursue.

[b][/b]

tbaba1234:


Some people like goldfish80 were skeptical about Rohr's appointment because he had not been to successful in his previous jobs.

Thus far, Rohr has done pretty well and deserves his credit.

This is not true.
It is on record I was one of the few people here who supported Nff' s push for a foreign manager when Salisu was the people's favorite.
It was basically anyone but Salisu for me.
Whenever I recall his Kano pillars team wining the league at the expense of Rangers via board room points, it turns my belly. The man is a fraud.

I would like to see Paul Onuachu and Odion Ighalo combo in attack with Victor Moses and Henry Onyekuru as wing backs, Joel Obi Mikel Obi and Wilfred Ndidi in the midfield pack in a 5-3-2 formation.

safarigirl:
so, you think Uzoho will remain in Deportivo for the next 2-3 years without seeing first team action? And no be say e no good, he will just remain there for 2-3 years, waiting for someone to have sense?

Especially, if per chance, he plays 1st choice goalie for Nigeria and impresses at some point within this period?

Na wa o

With the arrival of Romeo, he will be 3rd or 2nd choice at best in the foreseeable. He will play a few copa de rey games here and there and that will be that.
Europeans hardly trust African goalies. I suspect they think Africans aren't smart enough to handle the position.

Meliforme:
I would like to see Paul Onuachu and Odion Ighalo combo in attack with Victor Moses and Henry Onyekuru as wing backs, Joel Obi Mikel Obi and Wilfred Ndidi in the midfield pack in a 5-3-2 formation.

Dreams do come true, just take 2tbs of hope_quin every morning .

safarigirl:
the bros own don too much. E go dey cry like say na only him guys dey suffer pass for Super Eagles, Echiejile that most people have thrown inside dustbin, is he Yoruba? What of Mikel Agu that has been vilified here, is he Yoruba?

The Idowu that we are asking to replace Echiejile after one game, is he Igbo?

Forgiveness has blinded himself to those ones, it is only Kayode's lack of chances he is seeing. I am sure Kayode is his relative, because there is no logical explanation to why he is so insistent on that one and has covered his eyes to the other Omoluabi players that are performing in GwG

There are certain arguments I have always tried to stay away from.
Arguments that have been revolving in circles and the person keeps saying the same thing over and over again. With nothing new to add.

goldfish80:

With the arrival of Romeo, he will be 3rd or 2nd choice at best in the foreseeable. He will play a few copa de rey games here and there and that will be that.
Europeans hardly trust African goalies. I suspect they think Africans aren't smart enough to handle the position.

you did not factor the possibilities I pointed out

If Europe doesn't want him (which is funny considering he is over 6ft.5" and has played in Spain for a considerable period), Israel will want him, hell, even in Europe, I reckon France would want him at least or Belgium.

How many high profile goalies does Africa produce for Europe to want them and how many start their European careers in their youth? Enyeama that is even the best African goalie in Europe of recent, started his career in Africa, and his height greatly affected his chances, not his skill

So, if you have a goalie with skill and height, plus youth and experience in Europe, what are the possibilities of some other European team not going for you?

Bro, history says otherwise. We are talking Nigeria here. I don't need to type sermon.

Are you saying our stadiums in the 60s, 70s or 80s are better than what we have now or infrastructures we had then are better than now? I leave you to history, facts and figures.

OMANBALA1:


There is no correlation between craze for European football and lack of interest in Nigerians to watch our local leagues. The inability of our local clubs to play attractive football and entertain people is the main reason. Have you ever watched Nigerian league and see what goes on in those matches, its a ffuccking joke,buddy. Very few people will sit down and watch a supposedly professional players playing absolute nonsense. When they start playing beautiful football the news will go around and people will troop in to watch just like we saw with Enugu Rangers 2 seasons ago. Na fine girls boys dey like pursue.

Yea but the person in view isn't thinking of Turkey, he's not a spent player nor an upcoming. He should be in the best leagues in the world.

Humility017:

it is not about our preference now...all that matters is game time...prior the world cup...
let him get a club and be playing weekly first....after the world cup...he can then consider leaving for Russia or elsewhere....

some of this players are never ambitous...probably because few literate ones are among them....

Nigeria players are not winning individual awards not because there is dearth of talents...but because many are comfortable being average...sometimes we need to see the extra training many of this players who are world bests or doing some things exceptional engage in....

no achievements comes easy....I remember back then in the university a coursemate and a friend...asked me...how do I used to do it...that he has always been observing me during exams...I always leave my answer sheet full....even when the quetions are hard...I always write well and it shows in my results......I told him there is nothing different I do...other than I go the extra mile...there was hardly a course I don't study the materials and test books...more than 4 times prior exams....

I discover I easily forget somethings I read when I was in secondary school...so when I get to the university I see need to take advantage of that challenge by studying harder and doing more extra work....

just same it is with academics...that's the way it is with careers and endeavours what you commit your time and effort to...yield better results....

goldfish80:
[b][/b]

This is not true.
It is on record I was one of the few people here who supported Nff' s push for a foreign manager when Salisu was the people's favorite.
It was basically anyone but Salisu for me.
Whenever I recall his Kano pillars team wining the league at the expense of Rangers via board room points, it turns my belly. The man is a fraud.

Haha... NFF and board room points. i thought Salisu's team selection was better than Oliseh to be honest.

I remember, you talked about Rohr's former jobs though perhaps in a different context.

safarigirl:
you did not factor the possibilities I pointed out

If Europe doesn't want him (which is funny considering he is over 6ft.5" and has played in Spain for a considerable period), Israel will want him, hell, even in Europe, I reckon France would want him at least or Belgium.

How many high profile goalies does Africa produce for Europe to want them and how many start their European careers in their youth? Enyeama that is even the best African goalie in Europe of recent, started his career in Africa, and his height greatly affected his chances, not his skill

So, if you have a goalie with skill and height, plus youth and experience in Europe, what are the possibilities of some other European team not going for you?

In that case, we have to keep our fingers crossed and see if other teams come in for him. But the odds are stacked against him, must be said.
If you check the over 900 professional football clubs in Europe, I don't think you can find up to 10 clubs who have native African goalkeepers.
This is the odds he is playing against.

By the way, I don't believe Africans don't produce good goalkeepers. Anyone who watch the nations cup will point out very agile and incredible goalkeepers. Kidiba, Mwene, Onyango, Fabrice Ondoa, Adjie to name a few,are better than most European goalkeepers.
If Joe Hart was African, I dont think he will have a job currently.

tbaba1234:


Some people like goldfish80 were skeptical about Rohr's appointment because he had not been too successful in his previous jobs.

Thus far, Rohr has done pretty well and deserves his credit.

My man am not disputing that or trying to run Rohr down but i will never accept a situation where my country man who did so well as a player and coach funny enough late,i mean Stephen Okechukwu Keshi to be insulted with useless beer parlour fact.

This is a man that led pioneer under 20 team in 1978/79,made his debut for senior team in late 1980,went to Libya 82 and displaced Christian Chuckwu,captain Eagles at Afcon 84 at a very young age despite the presence of senior players like Muda Lawal,Henry Nwosu,paved way for Nigerian players in Europe,the first captain that led Nigeria to her first WC also coach the same team and won Afcon and reached the 2nd round in 2014 WC,qualified tiny Togo for biggest football tournament in the World,remain the only African to have managed three Africa nations namely Togo,Mali and Nigeria.

Pls with this pedigrees does he deserves insults just cos Rohr who failed in other Africa countries is doing well in Nigeria.

tbaba1234:


Haha... NFF and board room points. i thought Salisu's team selection was better than Oliseh to be honest.

I remember, you talked about Rohr's former jobs though perhaps in a different context.

I talked about his past job when someone was trying to sell him as the best thing ever to happen to our football after the WCQ.

The way people were pushing for Iheanacho's move from MCity to LCity that's the same way they are now pushing for Musa move, forgetting that Iheanacho's move made gave him more experience in bench warming. I advice them to fight for their place rather than being nomads in search for greener fields.

somehow:
Yea but the person in view isn't thinking of Turkey, he's not a spent player nor an upcoming. He should be in the best leagues in the world.

I understand you....but he needs playing time now....so as to be fit and ready @the world cup...he is not signing for buraspor but just a loan deal.....

a good world cup outing or how good the loan deal turns out...could fetch him a better deal...that is another opportunity.

but right now...he needs play time and any club that can guarantee him that should be welcomed....

no good club will come for him and nancho now...reason because they're down the drains in their career path....they need a revival to attract the likes of club like spurs, psg, Munich etc....

goldfish80:
Apparently Sergio Romeo is angling for a transfer to Deportivo la carona from Man utd due to lack of game time leading up to the world cup.
If the move materialized, the Argentine will kill 2 birds with one stone, if you know what I mean.

i guess the two birds are :
1. Bringing uzoho down the pecking order.
2. Potential chance of being in form for argies against us.

Correct me if i'm wrong sir

Meliforme:
The way people were pushing for Iheanacho's move from MCity to LCity that's the same way they are now pushing for Musa move, forgetting that Iheanacho's move made gave him more experience in bench warming. I advice them to fight for their place rather than being nomads in search for greener fields.

If player like Kayode who is a fringe player in eagles is pushing for a loan deal then Iheanacho and Musa just need to move sitting down on the bench or playing for Leicester youth team to keep fit is not the answer,not leaving may jeopardize our performance at WC,hope you remember Mikel's performance at 2014 WC.

goldfish80:


In that case, we have to keep our fingers crossed and see if other teams come in for him. But the odds are stacked against him, must be said.
If you check the over 900 professional football clubs in Europe, I don't think you can find up to 10 clubs who have native African goalkeepers.
This is the odds he is playing against.

By the way, I don't believe Africans don't produce good goalkeepers. Anyone who watch the nations cup will point out very agile and incredible goalkeepers. Kidiba, Mwene, Onyango, Fabrice Ondoa, Adjie to name a few,are better than most European goalkeepers.
If Joe Hart was African, I dont think he will have a job currently.

European do not rate African keepers. Whilst African keepers are naturally talented, they often lack some fundamentals due to poor early coaching. Even when they have all the right qualities, they suffer from bias.

They have to be twice as good as Europeans and that is no guarantee. Enyeama only got to Europe via Israel even with his heroics in Africa.

Icon4s:


There are certain arguments I have always tried to stay away from.
Arguments that have been revolving in circles and the person keeps saying the same thing over and over again. With nothing new to add.

I tire o

Liamm:
i guess the two birds are :
1. Bringing uzoho down the pecking order.
2. Potential chance of being in form for argies against us.

Correct me if i'm wrong sir

The coach does not want to play Uzoho because he does not speak Spanish. The arrival of Romero changes nothing.

Uzoho is unlikely to get a shot this year. He should focus on playing regularly for the B side

Kog45:
If player like Kayode who is a fringe player in eagles is pushing for a loan deal then Iheanacho and Musa just need to move sitting down on the bench or playing for Leicester youth team to keep fit is not the answer,not leaving may jeopardize our performance at WC,hope you remember Mikel's performance at 2014 WC.

It is very funny how a loanee like Kayode will be hankering for another loan spell. And how are we sure that these transfers and loan moves will guaranttee them play time.

tbaba1234:


European do not rate African keepers. Whilst African keepers are naturally talented, they often lack some fundamentals due to poor early coaching. Even when they have all the right qualities, they suffer from bias.

They have to twice as good as Europeans and that is no guarantee. Enyeama only got to Europe via Israel even with his heroics in Africa.

Yea you are right,the future is bright with Uzoho, Alampasu and Maduka cos they had the opportunity at a very young age,the basics things that's worrying Akpeyi and Ezenwa would not be an issue,honestly the future is bright.

Humility017:

woe betide this agent...should musa keep sitting on the bench and even playing for the reserve team....
it goes to show this men are only after the money and not this players careers..

it will gladdens my heart if musa is left out of the world cup party to serve as a deterent to many upcoming young players in the future.....you don't place money over your career progress....

Humility017:

woe betide this agent...should musa keep sitting on the bench and even playing for the reserve team....
it goes to show this men are only after the money and not this players careers..

it will gladdens my heart if musa is left out of the world cup party to serve as a deterent to many upcoming young players in the future.....you don't place money over your career progress....

Humility017:

woe betide this agent...should musa keep sitting on the bench and even playing for the reserve team....
it goes to show this men are only after the money and not this players careers..

it will gladdens my heart if musa is left out of the world cup party to serve as a deterent to many upcoming young players in the future.....you don't place money over your career progress....

@ the bolded..
why are u guys quick to set the rules on one players but hesitate to stand on the rules on a particular set of players. .

is sitting on the bench for club side a criteria for determining who is making it to Russia..
Will the rule still apply for nacho and his likes?
I thought u guys said club and international football arnt the same

y all clamour for a particular coaches (rohr) decision must be respected while y'throw tauntrums on club side managers and agents

Am now seeing the sense in forgiveness nonsenses

seankafor:
@ the bolded..
why are u guys quick to set the rules on one players but hesitate to stand on the rules on a particular set of players. .

is sitting on the bench for club side a criteria for determining who is making it to Russia..
Will the rule still apply for nacho and his likes?
I thought u guys said club and international football arnt the same

y all clamour for a particular coaches (rohr) decision must be respected while y'throw tauntrums on club side managers and agents

Am now seeing the sense in forgiveness nonsenses

just say you wanna make case for forgiveness...and stop asking questions only you profer answers to...

I will say same thing should nancho agent spill same rubbish.......

Meliforme:
It is very funny how a loanee like Kayode will be hankering for another loan spell. And how are we sure that these transfers and loan moves will guaranttee them play time.

let's be optimistic and hopeful....it could fetch them Apple time to impress...

Meliforme:
. It is very funny how a loanee like Kayode will be hankering for another loan spell. And how are we sure that these transfers and loan moves will guaranttee them play time.

My man we don't need to argue this,it's simple WC is around,Iheanacho is an asset to Eagles so better for us to have in form Nacho than present Iheanacho at Leicester or you want Musa to still remain at Leicester with his current situation.

Nothing wrong in Kayode seeking another loan cos he want to make the team and only way is to be playing week in week out,remember he is a fringe player in eagles but what is going for Nacho and Musa in eagles is their status especially Musa,better for them to move if possible.

tbaba1234:


European do not rate African keepers. [b]Whilst African keepers are naturally talented, they often lack some fundamentals due to poor early coaching. [/b]Even when they have all the right qualities, they suffer from bias.

They have to twice as good as Europeans and that is no guarantee. Enyeama only got to Europe via Israel even with his heroics in Africa.

I have a problem with the bolded. I have seen European and South American goal keepers who are still crap with disjointed technics, poor game management and often, quite shocking anticipation.
A guy like Almunia stole a living at Arsenal, he he doesn't particularly excel at anything.
Jose Pantalimon,Gomez, Tim Carroll, Paul Robinson, Hilario, Helton and a host of others had fantastic coaching early but they were absolutely crap.
How they managed to play top flight footie is pure providence.