salford1:

Unfortunately, not many recruiter or hiring manager has travelled outside their province not to even mention travel outside the country.lol

In my opinion, Canadian experience is no myth. It is real. Most employers would not even give you a reason for rejection, so how do one contact any commission when there is no proof rejection via unrecognized experience?

Note: some experience are universal, so there would be less discrimination in such fields.

Ballerz:


Mire222 and Zibah14 please what is your full name. I will ask someone else to check the letters this afternoon. He told me a bunch of letters are ready. I know Osuji asked for same. I will try get at it today. For the 25th travel, please send me a mail now, let me quickly forward to him.

Sorry, 24hrs not enough to run the day with this - 23 degrees.

Cheers

TheCongo2:


The nigerian will be the 3rd option based on biased and ignorance... that hiring manager knows that Nigerians live on trees. That is the only reason the nigerian will be the 3rd option. Why then wasn't the European be set as 3rd option?

Yes, it has been proven that the Canadian experience is a myth. Hiring managers who hadn't been outside of North America are more likely to require the Canadian experience. The mindset is that the third world is a jungle. Ignorance is the word, just ignorance

Even the Canadian human rights commission has been ruling the Canadian experience requirement as discrimination
It is illegal for an employer in Canada to require the Canadian experience as prerequisite for employment . That is discrimination under the Canadian human rights code
And anyone who had been required to provide the Canadian experience can lodge a complaint with the Canadian human rights commission or their provincial human rights commission

I would understand if a redneck if finding reasons to justify the Canadian experience requirement. But for a black person to do so ... hmmmm... this is just over me. I am always under the perception that we, black, always give a helping hand to our newly arriving brothers and sisters



From the Ontario Human Rights Commission website:

http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/policy-removing-%E2%80%9Ccanadian-experience%E2%80%9D-barrier

Employers, representatives of employers and regulatory bodies should not:
•Require applicants to have prior work experience in Canada to be eligible for a particular job.
•Assume that an applicant will not succeed in a particular job because he or she lacks Canadian experience.
•Discount an applicant’s foreign work experience or assign it less weight than their Canadian work experience.
•Rely on subjective notions of “fit” when considering an applicant’s ability to succeed in the workplace.
• Include a requirement for prior Canadian work experience in the job posting or ad, or a requirement for qualifications that could only be obtained by working in Canada.
•Require applicants to disclose their country of origin or the location of their work experience on the job application form.
•Ask applicants questions that may directly or indirectly reveal where their work experience was obtained.
•Ask for local references only.

TheCongo2:


Ok... you have a point
But you may use the line of questions asked by the hiring manager to determine if the lack of Canadian experience could be a factor
It may take only one wrong word from the hiring manager for you to have a strong case with the commission

And once the commission is on the case, trust me that everything will be revealed
They are very good in their investigation
You don't need strong evidence to contact the commission. You only need clues. And the commission will do the job of finding the evidences.

P.S. alford1 , I hope we aren't confusing requirement for Canadian experience and reqirement for Canadian certification on regulated field. Two different issue here

SixSigma1:


I agree with vcole with her hiring preference. The Canadian experience is not a myth. The issue is people seem to misunderstand the need for Canadian experience. For the most part the Canadian experience the hiring manager is looking for is about the Canadian work ethics (which many, not all, new immigrants don’t have) and not necessarily the technical experience (which almost everybody has). Irrespective of your profession, you can actually get the needed Canadian experience (work ethics) working in any job in Canada (McDonald's, Tim Hortons, Walmart etc).

As for violating Human Rights Commission regulations, smart employers will not tell you the reason you are not being hired is due to lack of Canadian experience. So, how will you report them to the Human Rights Commission if they never told you that you are being rejected due to lack of Canadian experience?

Finally, I will share with you two situations that I am familiar with to show to you why I would hire the same way vcole mentioned. Note that these situations are not hear say as I was part of the situations.

The first one happened many years ago in my second job here in Canada. Having proving myself to my employer, when the opportunity came again to hire additional engineer my boss chose a recently landed Nigerian. We all had phones with international calling access on our desk in our cubicle, so my Nigerian guy started using the phone to call Nigeria everyday and talking anywhere from 1 to 2 hours everyday. You need to see the phone bills when it came at the end of the month. The only thing that saved this guy from being fired was that he was honest about using his desk phone for too many personal calls when asked. So he was only warned. The problem here is not just adding more expenses to the business expenses, the calls also suggested that he was on the phone too much when he was supposed to be working.

The second situation happened about 2 years ago. I have 5 Managers reporting directly to me and a newly landed Nigerian that I hired (in the name of being your brother’s keeper) was one of them. This guy had nice managerial experience from Nigeria but nothing in Canada. He started managing his staff the Nigerian way. His staff started complaining to me about it and I also see things by myself. I tried coaching this guy the Canadian way of employee management but he was just not getting it. Long story short I had no other option than to fire him before I lose my own job due to his poor management style.

sleekchic:


Lol. I was talking to a friend that recently migrated to England. He said the place is too quiet, nothing like getting to the bustop and hearing someone shouting "ketu Ojota mytwef" I guess Oyinbo people are just very conservative.

DatechMan:
Wetin person eye no go see.
Na so I take enter one chance.

I was coming from work on Friday, when I met this Indian guy at the bus station. We got talking and some brief introduction about what we do for a living and all. He asked for my number, saying he may be able to connect me with his boss who seem to be looking for Electrical Engineers. We exchanged numbers actually. He said he would get back to me over the weekend.

I was a bit delighted, and was thinking maybe my miracle don dey load. . Na so I holla am for Saturday evening. He called me back and said he spoke with his boss and he said he would need to know me first before anything can be done. Therefore, I should meet with him(the Indian guy) tomorrow(Sunday) at 7pm as that is the only free time in his schedule. Lol.

To cut the long story short, na so I go meet this guy for one McDonalds on McLaughlin. To my greatest dismay, the guy begin yarn opata about building Pipeline. Pipeline? In short he was introducing a form of MLM or some Investment scheme.

I dey look the guy head like say make I cut am. This guy chose the wrong client. If na for Lagos, I know wetin I suppose do you. I just sitdown listen well as he dey quote Robert Kiyosaki et al. After the whole drama, I was even expecting him to buy me a snack or something. The guy dey ask stupid questions. He was surprised to hear I pay $550 as rent and he thought my shoes are very nice. Poor Indian guy.

I guess my miracle never load finish.

MummyJaygirls:
So yesterday I say I wan buy small supplies for house, oga say “don’t go, it’s too cold after we register the car, we would go together on Thursday”, me I say I want to go, why are u trying to dull me na? na so I wear cloth enter -29 weather.

I Dey hail mysef Say ahnn ahnn, this my baffing up is ok o, I’m not cold. Na so I waka reach the bus stop near the house,
Then I realized say the area get plenty bus stops and I was at the wrong one, I wasn’t sure which one I was to wait at, I brought out my phone to use the map and the battery just drained, even the phone know say the cold na gangster.

After trekking from one end of the street to the other, I decided to wait at the one that looked more like a busy road to me. My nose felt frozen, poor me

When I look time, it was past the time I saw online that the bus would arrive, and the next was for 30mins later, jisox, so I go sidon wait outside? E mean say na ice mummyjaygirls dem go come carry o, then I thought of how my oga go tell me say shebi I said don’t go, so I followed the stubborn part of my brain and decided to sit and wait for the bus.

After small time (20mins) I decided to walk to another bus stop, I never waka far when I saw the bus on the other side of the road dropping off passengers, so I turned back to wait again. Like 10 minutes later, the bus arrived. Yippie!

I hopped one, sat at the back to the final stop. The initial plan was to use Uber to the store, but when I got there the “devil” in me say why don’t u just complete the journey with the bus na? Na im I ask bus driver say I Dey go .... he say enter that one, so I entered and told the driver say, see where I Dey go o, he say ok, sit down, we dey go dey go, I no Dey gree reach my destination, next thing I saw was the bus station, Chineke! This guy don do me one chance, so I told him say bros, where the place where u suppose drop me na, he say “sorry, I didn’t see it” hian! Thunder fire u, hiss.

So he says where exactly is the place, i say ...., o get on that bus, so I did again, this time I turned on google map and it showed the place was around the area, but as per no be molue and u can’t stop anyhow, I had to wait till the next bus stop.

By this time, I don already tire, I say make I use Uber as e no far from where I stop, so e no go too cost, my village people say “ur suffer never reach us” Uber no gree work, e say ur number isn’t registered, blood of Zachariah! Bet y meeee! As I Dey think how I go do, yellow cab just passed in front of me, see as I copy the number sharp sharp, called them (while praying the phone wouldn’t die on me) and in a few minutes my taxi arrived, the rest they say is history.

When I reach house na so I face heater for my body while drinking hot milo and slept off on that spot. Lol

So that’s my first over sabi experience in Canada o.

Ballerz:


Sounds like You are in Missisauga / Brampton. More like Brampton. That McLaughlin rings a bell. Czaratwork cooks good afang soup. Make I post her number here?
Hahahaha. (Runs away).

Blackbuddy:


To think that I also received such an offer outside a grocery shop on Hurontario, Mississauga 2 years ago. The IFG/WFG hustle game is strong here in Canny. Thanks for sharing, this brought back memories as a job hunter. I also posted my resume to indeed.ca and monster.ca and the next day, got a call to come in for an interview. Hopped on the bus over there only to hear the long story of how I should become a street trekker for WFG. I just smiled at the guy through his preaching and told him I'd get back to him. Politely sent him a text the next day saying thanks but no thanks. I just filed the experience away as 'adventures in hustle land'. Don't worry, you miracle is still on the way. It's only a matter of time before your preparation and efforts will meet with the right opportunity.

P.S. I drove by that McLaughin location on Saturday evening, perhaps we crossed each other?

honey86:


There was an opportunity at my husband's workplace for junior accountants. Well, my husband recommended some Nigerians to them. They hired 4 people, sacked 1 after 1 year. How can you be a chartered accountant from Nigeria and still struggle with posting transactions. The other ones are still there but complain plenty. Using phone, going to the wash room more than necessary. The controller kept asking my husband why the new guys are still struggling with their years of experience. Let's just say they have since not hired anyone my husband recommended.
We need to realize that it's not only to write a full resume, make sure you can deliver on everything you wrote there.

SixSigma1:


I agree with vcole with her hiring preference. The Canadian experience is not a myth. The issue is people seem to misunderstand the need for Canadian experience. For the most part the Canadian experience the hiring manager is looking for is about the Canadian work ethics (which many, not all, new immigrants don’t have) and not necessarily the technical experience (which almost everybody has). Irrespective of your profession, you can actually get the needed Canadian experience (work ethics) working in any job in Canada (McDonald's, Tim Hortons, Walmart etc).

As for violating Human Rights Commission regulations, smart employers will not tell you the reason you are not being hired is due to lack of Canadian experience. So, how will you report them to the Human Rights Commission if they never told you that you are being rejected due to lack of Canadian experience?

Finally, I will share with you two situations that I am familiar with to show to you why I would hire the same way vcole mentioned. Note that these situations are not hear say as I was part of the situations.

The first one happened many years ago in my second job here in Canada. Having proving myself to my employer, when the opportunity came again to hire additional engineer my boss chose a recently landed Nigerian. We all had phones with international calling access on our desk in our cubicle, so my Nigerian guy started using the phone to call Nigeria everyday and talking anywhere from 1 to 2 hours everyday. You need to see the phone bills when it came at the end of the month. The only thing that saved this guy from being fired was that he was honest about using his desk phone for too many personal calls when asked. So he was only warned. The problem here is not just adding more expenses to the business expenses, the calls also suggested that he was on the phone too much when he was supposed to be working.

The second situation happened about 2 years ago. I have 5 Managers reporting directly to me and a newly landed Nigerian that I hired (in the name of being your brother’s keeper) was one of them. This guy had nice managerial experience from Nigeria but nothing in Canada. He started managing his staff the Nigerian way. His staff started complaining to me about it and I also see things by myself. I tried coaching this guy the Canadian way of employee management but he was just not getting it. Long story short I had no other option than to fire him before I lose my own job due to his poor management style.

vcole:
Congrats freeradical. I guess you may have some diageo experience with an associate of IGB designation right? You obviously proved yourself to be fit for the job. All d best!!

@canadian experience and canadian qualification. Let's look at it this way. If I am a hiring manager in Canada and I have a position to fill and I have shortlisted 3 candidates for the job. All qualified with work experience and who interview well. If I have one with a canadian qualification or experience in a similar role in a canadian company, another with a European or US qualification and foreign experience from Europe or the states in similar roles (bearing in mind that Europe and the US sometimes have reciprocal professional association agreeements for some professions) and then I have one with a Nigerian qualification and Nigerian experience. In order of preference who would I hire? I guess it's pretty clear that on a level playing field where all 3 candidates interview well, I may most likely make the Nigerian a 3rd option.

It's not a myth that Canadian experience and/or qualifications are necessary to get ahead. Most especially if you are in a regulated profession or if you find yourself experiencing difficulty getting a job or you do not want to have to deal with the possibility of job hunting for months without getting a job. So my advise is that you consider getting a recognised qualification or certification that is recognised in your industry in Canada on arrival or get a job sometimes in an entry level position that is relevant to your industry.

SixSigma1:


I agree with vcole with her hiring preference. The Canadian experience is not a myth. The issue is people seem to misunderstand the need for Canadian experience. For the most part the Canadian experience the hiring manager is looking for is about the Canadian work ethics (which many, not all, new immigrants don’t have) and not necessarily the technical experience (which almost everybody has). Irrespective of your profession, you can actually get the needed Canadian experience (work ethics) working in any job in Canada (McDonald's, Tim Hortons, Walmart etc).

As for violating Human Rights Commission regulations, smart employers will not tell you the reason you are not being hired is due to lack of Canadian experience. So, how will you report them to the Human Rights Commission if they never told you that you are being rejected due to lack of Canadian experience?

Finally, I will share with you two situations that I am familiar with to show to you why I would hire the same way vcole mentioned. Note that these situations are not hear say as I was part of the situations.

The first one happened many years ago in my second job here in Canada. Having proving myself to my employer, when the opportunity came again to hire additional engineer my boss chose a recently landed Nigerian. We all had phones with international calling access on our desk in our cubicle, so my Nigerian guy started using the phone to call Nigeria everyday and talking anywhere from 1 to 2 hours everyday. You need to see the phone bills when it came at the end of the month. The only thing that saved this guy from being fired was that he was honest about using his desk phone for too many personal calls when asked. So he was only warned. The problem here is not just adding more expenses to the business expenses, the calls also suggested that he was on the phone too much when he was supposed to be working.

The second situation happened about 2 years ago. I have 5 Managers reporting directly to me and a newly landed Nigerian that I hired (in the name of being your brother’s keeper) was one of them. This guy had nice managerial experience from Nigeria but nothing in Canada. He started managing his staff the Nigerian way. His staff started complaining to me about it and I also see things by myself. I tried coaching this guy the Canadian way of employee management but he was just not getting it. Long story short I had no other option than to fire him before I lose my own job due to his poor management style.

freeradical:
You are completely right and have spoken well. To buttress your point with that of six sigma, management is a whole different ball game here. I'm trying to unlearn everything I know about management from Nigeria and replacing that knowledge with real people mgt.

I'm already job shadowing with some of the other managers and from what I can see I have to really modify my management style. Its worse if the work environment is unionized. There are strict rules to follow for basically everything. And they never ever shout or curse like we usually do in Nigeria to drive home our point.

It's really a bad precedence being set by some Nigerians in the past by failing to manage the change in their workplace and this will definitely affect others coming down the line. My best advice is that we must develop a strong work ethic. Our country is messed up compared to theirs because of the difference in work ethic. If you are putting in an 8hr shift here be prepared to be up and running for the whole 8hrs aside your allotted break time. All those rubbish we get away with back home won't fly here because once you don't put in enough time and focus to your work it shows I'm your result. This guys have amazing systems that tracks everything and there is nowhere to hide.

Getting the job is only the first part of the equation... Keeping it is where the main work lies!

TheCongo2:


But unfortunately, society never holds the white race responsible for a crime or shortcoming of one or few white man. However, when it comes to the minority, the entire race is judged for crimes committed by few. In other words, white people are been judged as individuals. Each white pays for his own sins. Whereas, minorities and immigrants are been judged collectively.

salford1:

One word. White privilege...

Even though alot of them don't believe it exists.

boldinc:
You are absolutely right with respect to different style of managing... I have noticed this in the several training and courses I have been attending online.

It is advisable to get involved with all these pre-arrival settlement programs months before your arrival in Canada. They are extremely helpful... It cannot be overemphasized. I feel extra prepared for the Canadian workforce while understanding the culture diversity and also knowledge of how to communicate and interact with colleagues in the work environment. Also learning how to handle problems and situations that require urgent solutions in the Canadian work environment at a supervisory level... This is building my critical thinking skills...

Some of these training come with Canadian recognized certificates which gives you an edge as a new comer... You can add them on your CV... There are ALL FREE... paid for by the Canadian Government.

Congrats again @freeradical

RE: UPCOMING IOM/PLANNING FOR CANADA SESSION IN IBADAN

Apparently, the January 2018 slots got filled up very fast. However, I have been reliably informed that another session has been scheduled for March 6, 2018 and people are already getting invitations. If you have already indicated your interest to IOM for Ibadan and yet to get the notification, try to get in touch with IOM. Even if you are not considered for the referenced date, you can be put on a waiting list for the next one.

Blackbuddy:


Hi, I simply put city which was Mississauga. Nobody asked for more.

XX01:
Preparation is not easy at all.

I need to find out if it's true that to find accommodation in the GTA is very hard. Will 2 weeks be enough time to land a long term lease? How can this be mitigated because i have barely 2 weeks to get a lease when i land.

daremum:
Bros Morning sir,

I enjoyed every bit of training with IOM yesterday, my view is different now and am ready to embrace the challenges come what may.

Cant wait to get my MAP today.

Thank you, once again.

Please i sent you a mail.

Thanks

Delta007:

Thanks for the response. Your timeline showed June 2017 for medicals, hence my curiosity.

damidamsel:
Awesome morning to you all..

Please can anyone help me with info on these 2 things....

What other way can i contact Accra apart from email and CSE (which i have done severally but no response) as i sent our passports (family of 3) to them since Nov 24 and no PUM yet. My husband has a US visa interview next week, 18th, because we plan to spend 2weeks in USA for something important before leaving for Canada. We plan travelling late Feb but there's no other available US appointment before then. Can't believe we are going through this with Accra after spending 6months with LVO and our medicals expire in March.

Also @Ballerz, Please i tried sending you a PM....Please anyone else who can also assist with FRSC letter. Been sending emails to all their emails for over a month now but no response. My brother walked into their office in Abuja and the person he was directed to told him there's no letter like that. Can you imagine?

I just tire...Please any info or help will be highly appreciated.

TheCongo2:

The nigerian will be the 3rd option based on biased and ignorance... that hiring manager knows that Nigerians live on trees. That is the only reason the nigerian will be the 3rd option. Why then wasn't the European be set as 3rd option?
I would understand if a redneck if finding reasons to justify the Canadian experience requirement. But for a black person to do so ... hmmmm... this is just over me.

boldinc:
You are absolutely right with respect to different style of managing... I have noticed this in the several training and courses I have been attending online.

It is advisable to get involved with all these pre-arrival settlement programs months before your arrival in Canada. They are extremely helpful... It cannot be overemphasized. I feel extra prepared for the Canadian workforce while understanding the culture diversity and also knowledge of how to communicate and interact with colleagues in the work environment. Also learning how to handle problems and situations that require urgent solutions in the Canadian work environment at a supervisory level... This is building my critical thinking skills...

Some of these training come with Canadian recognized certificates which gives you an edge as a new comer... You can add them on your CV... There are ALL FREE... paid for by the Canadian Government.

Congrats again @freeradical

moyinoluwa1:


Hi, is your status showing approved in your CIC account I.e. Final decision? If it isn't, you may need to send email to Ottawa.

Pele