MikeCZA:
Read the comments section Frum here on the Milan part: http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42458#comment-2532418834


Not a lot of details but a mention.

Following our discussion, I went back to review documents to see if I could identify the officials who made decisions on:
1) Eland;
2) Transall C-160;
3) Milan II;
4) A400M.
Would you believe, not a single DoD and SANDF official is mentioned by name? All you get in official reports with regards to all 4 is the anodyne statement that "Upon recommendation by DoD and SANDF officials, Minister so and so decided that..."

And look where we would be with the A400M:
https://www.aerosociety.com/news/Atlas-shoulders-the-load/

frumentius:


Hahaha! Funny man. What are you doubting? Project "Prestige A" in Nkandla was right there in the Dept of Public Works' budget documents and strategic plans for 2009. Only 1 journalist from the Mail& Guardian bothered to go look for herself, and published her scoop.
Information is out there, up to citizens what they do with it.

so it's in the budget years in advance but when it actually happens we civilians are shocked and outraged!!!!

A Nigerian Air Force (NAF) Mi-17 Helicopter has suffered a mishap while undertaking a mission in the ongoing counterinsurgency operation in the North East. The incident, which occurred today, 8 January 2018, resulted in significant damage to the helicopter. There was, however, no loss of lives as a result of the incident. The Chief of the Air Staff, Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar, has immediately directed the constitution of a board of inquiry to determine the exact cause of the incident, in line with global best practices. The NAF continues to solicit the understanding and support of the general populace as it daily strives to ensure the security of Nigeria and Nigerians.
OLATOKUNBO ADESANYA
Air Vice Marshal
Director of Public
Relations and Information
link https://www.instagram.com/p/Bdsel16Bdi9/

newafricaken254:
A Nigerian Air Force (NAF) Mi-17 Helicopter has suffered a mishap while undertaking a mission in the ongoing counterinsurgency operation in the North East. The incident, which occurred today, 8 January 2018, resulted in significant damage to the helicopter. There was, however, no loss of lives as a result of the incident. The Chief of the Air Staff, Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar, has immediately directed the constitution of a board of inquiry to determine the exact cause of the incident, in line with global best practices. The NAF continues to solicit the understanding and support of the general populace as it daily strives to ensure the security of Nigeria and Nigerians.
OLATOKUNBO ADESANYA
Air Vice Marshal
Director of Public
Relations and Information
link https://www.instagram.com/p/Bdsel16Bdi9/

Just read about it
"incident, which occurred today, 8 January 2018, resulted in significant damage to the helicopter."
That's the painful part of the story.

> Daily News
NIGERIA BUDGETS ADDITIONAL PAYMENT FOR JF-17 ORDER FROM PAKISTAN
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In its federal budget proposal for 2018, Nigeria has allocated NGN 13.12 billion ($36 million U.S.) as a payment for an order for three JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighters – along with support equipment and spare parts – from Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC).
This follows an earlier allocation in 2016 worth NGN 5 billion ($13.9 m U.S.).
Nigeria’s budget proposal confirms that the Nigerian Air Force’s order for three JF-17s is still in place, but it is being executed through installments paid in cash. The Nigerian Air Force, PAC and Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) have yet to release a timeline for deliveries.
In its budget proposal for 2017, Nigeria had earmarked $68.76 million U.S. for platforms for “counter air, counter surface, air ops for strategic effect and air support operations.”
It appears that the JF-17 is sharing the allocation with the Russian Helicopters Mi-35M, for which Nigeria took delivery of two and has 10 on order (with delivery slated for 2018), and potentially 12 A-29 Super Tucano turboprop-powered close air support (CAS) and light-strike aircraft.
In August 2017, the U.S. State Department greenlit a proposal worth $593 million U.S. to sell A-29 Super Tucanos to Nigeria. In December 2017, the U.S.
submitted a letter-of-acceptance (LOA) to the Nigerian Air Force to finalize the purchase and issue initial payments by February 2018.
In July 2017, the Nigerian Air Force started taking delivery of the Super Mushshak trainers it ordered from PAC in 2016. PAC delivered five new-built aircraft, replacing the interim aircraft it had lent in December 2016. Nigeria has a total of 10 Super Mushshak on order.
On the surface, it would seem as though the JF-17 is factoring as a lower priority on the Nigerian Air Force’s procurement roadmap, certainly in comparison to the A-29 (which is to have a launch order of 12 planes).
However, defence analyst, historian, writer and retired Pakistan Air Force (PAF) officer Air Commodore (AC) Kaiser Tufail told Quwa that he believes there is a strong rationale for the small launch order:
“Nigerian Air Force has taken an incremental approach to the induction of the JF-17. Considering the fact that it does not operate an advanced modern fighter other than a dozen F-7NI (a variant of F-7MG), it seems sensible to have ordered three-odd JF-17, on which maintenance crews would get trained, followed by pilots that will form the core and be available for follow-on inductions.
Tufail added that incremental purchasing also makes fiscal sense, “Financially, it also makes sense to stagger the purchase so that it can be funded from within own resources, rather than overburdening the economy by taking loans.” In addition, by committing a few Block-IIs for a start for primarily acclimation, Tufail stated that Nigeria can stage the bulk of its future procurement for the forthcoming JF-17 Block-III:
“From an operational standpoint, a small purchase of the existing Block-II aircraft leaves open the option of inducting Block-III, which is likely to be available in about two years or so. During this time the NAF would have set up the basic infrastructure and trained sufficient pilots to induct the more advanced version of the JF-17.”
Finally, with PAC mostly focused on fulfilling the requirements of the PAF (i.e. fulfilling the PAF’s objective of supplanting a 190 aircraft by 2020), a small export order is sustainable:
“While the NAF may not be ready to induct the JF-17 en masse for the above-stated reasons, PAC Kamra is also constrained by its production capacity, as it has to cater for the PAF which needs to replace its older fleet of Mirage III/5 and F-7 at the rate of one squadron per year. Apparently, the small initial order suits PAC quite well, since the export orders have finally started, and more countries in Asia and Africa are likely to take the cue from NAF.”
Nigeria will join Myanmar as the second third-party user of the FC-1/JF-17 platform. Myanmar signed its order for 16 FC-1 during the 2015 Paris Air Show. Myanmar’s first FC-1 was spotted undergoing flight tests in China in June 2017.

jteku:


Just read about it
"incident, which occurred today, 8 January 2018, resulted in significant damage to the helicopter."
That's the painful part of the story.

Sh1t happens mate!

lionel4power:
> Daily News
NIGERIA BUDGETS ADDITIONAL PAYMENT FOR JF-17 ORDER FROM PAKISTAN
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In its federal budget proposal for 2018, Nigeria has allocated NGN 13.12 billion ($36 million U.S.) as a payment for an order for three JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighters – along with support equipment and spare parts – from Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC).
This follows an earlier allocation in 2016 worth NGN 5 billion ($13.9 m U.S.).
Nigeria’s budget proposal confirms that the Nigerian Air Force’s order for three JF-17s is still in place, but it is being executed through installments paid in cash. The Nigerian Air Force, PAC and Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) have yet to release a timeline for deliveries.
In its budget proposal for 2017, Nigeria had earmarked $68.76 million U.S. for platforms for “counter air, counter surface, air ops for strategic effect and air support operations.”
It appears that the JF-17 is sharing the allocation with the Russian Helicopters Mi-35M, for which Nigeria took delivery of two and has 10 on order (with delivery slated for 2018), and potentially 12 A-29 Super Tucano turboprop-powered close air support (CAS) and light-strike aircraft.
In August 2017, the U.S. State Department greenlit a proposal worth $593 million U.S. to sell A-29 Super Tucanos to Nigeria. In December 2017, the U.S.
submitted a letter-of-acceptance (LOA) to the Nigerian Air Force to finalize the purchase and issue initial payments by February 2018.
In July 2017, the Nigerian Air Force started taking delivery of the Super Mushshak trainers it ordered from PAC in 2016. PAC delivered five new-built aircraft, replacing the interim aircraft it had lent in December 2016. Nigeria has a total of 10 Super Mushshak on order.
On the surface, it would seem as though the JF-17 is factoring as a lower priority on the Nigerian Air Force’s procurement roadmap, certainly in comparison to the A-29 (which is to have a launch order of 12 planes).
However, defence analyst, historian, writer and retired Pakistan Air Force (PAF) officer Air Commodore (AC) Kaiser Tufail told Quwa that he believes there is a strong rationale for the small launch order:
“Nigerian Air Force has taken an incremental approach to the induction of the JF-17. Considering the fact that it does not operate an advanced modern fighter other than a dozen F-7NI (a variant of F-7MG), it seems sensible to have ordered three-odd JF-17, on which maintenance crews would get trained, followed by pilots that will form the core and be available for follow-on inductions.
Tufail added that incremental purchasing also makes fiscal sense, “Financially, it also makes sense to stagger the purchase so that it can be funded from within own resources, rather than overburdening the economy by taking loans.” In addition, by committing a few Block-IIs for a start for primarily acclimation, Tufail stated that Nigeria can stage the bulk of its future procurement for the forthcoming JF-17 Block-III:
“From an operational standpoint, a small purchase of the existing Block-II aircraft leaves open the option of inducting Block-III, which is likely to be available in about two years or so. During this time the NAF would have set up the basic infrastructure and trained sufficient pilots to induct the more advanced version of the JF-17.”
Finally, with PAC mostly focused on fulfilling the requirements of the PAF (i.e. fulfilling the PAF’s objective of supplanting a 190 aircraft by 2020), a small export order is sustainable:
“While the NAF may not be ready to induct the JF-17 en masse for the above-stated reasons, PAC Kamra is also constrained by its production capacity, as it has to cater for the PAF which needs to replace its older fleet of Mirage III/5 and F-7 at the rate of one squadron per year. Apparently, the small initial order suits PAC quite well, since the export orders have finally started, and more countries in Asia and Africa are likely to take the cue from NAF.”
Nigeria will join Myanmar as the second third-party user of the FC-1/JF-17 platform. Myanmar signed its order for 16 FC-1 during the 2015 Paris Air Show. Myanmar’s first FC-1 was spotted undergoing flight tests in China in June 2017.

Daily news does copy and paste too? Last few paragraph has been on defence.pk for how long.

lionel4power:
> Daily News
NIGERIA BUDGETS ADDITIONAL PAYMENT FOR JF-17 ORDER FROM PAKISTAN
1.6k
SHARES
In its federal budget proposal for 2018, Nigeria has allocated NGN 13.12 billion ($36 million U.S.) as a payment for an order for three JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighters – along with support equipment and spare parts – from Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC).
This follows an earlier allocation in 2016 worth NGN 5 billion ($13.9 m U.S.).
Nigeria’s budget proposal confirms that the Nigerian Air Force’s order for three JF-17s is still in place, but it is being executed through installments paid in cash. The Nigerian Air Force, PAC and Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) have yet to release a timeline for deliveries.
In its budget proposal for 2017, Nigeria had earmarked $68.76 million U.S. for platforms for “counter air, counter surface, air ops for strategic effect and air support operations.”
It appears that the JF-17 is sharing the allocation with the Russian Helicopters Mi-35M, for which Nigeria took delivery of two and has 10 on order (with delivery slated for 2018), and potentially 12 A-29 Super Tucano turboprop-powered close air support (CAS) and light-strike aircraft.
In August 2017, the U.S. State Department greenlit a proposal worth $593 million U.S. to sell A-29 Super Tucanos to Nigeria. In December 2017, the U.S.
submitted a letter-of-acceptance (LOA) to the Nigerian Air Force to finalize the purchase and issue initial payments by February 2018.
In July 2017, the Nigerian Air Force started taking delivery of the Super Mushshak trainers it ordered from PAC in 2016. PAC delivered five new-built aircraft, replacing the interim aircraft it had lent in December 2016. Nigeria has a total of 10 Super Mushshak on order.
On the surface, it would seem as though the JF-17 is factoring as a lower priority on the Nigerian Air Force’s procurement roadmap, certainly in comparison to the A-29 (which is to have a launch order of 12 planes).
However, defence analyst, historian, writer and retired Pakistan Air Force (PAF) officer Air Commodore (AC) Kaiser Tufail told Quwa that he believes there is a strong rationale for the small launch order:
“Nigerian Air Force has taken an incremental approach to the induction of the JF-17. Considering the fact that it does not operate an advanced modern fighter other than a dozen F-7NI (a variant of F-7MG), it seems sensible to have ordered three-odd JF-17, on which maintenance crews would get trained, followed by pilots that will form the core and be available for follow-on inductions.
Tufail added that incremental purchasing also makes fiscal sense, “Financially, it also makes sense to stagger the purchase so that it can be funded from within own resources, rather than overburdening the economy by taking loans.” In addition, by committing a few Block-IIs for a start for primarily acclimation, Tufail stated that Nigeria can stage the bulk of its future procurement for the forthcoming JF-17 Block-III:
“From an operational standpoint, a small purchase of the existing Block-II aircraft leaves open the option of inducting Block-III, which is likely to be available in about two years or so. During this time the NAF would have set up the basic infrastructure and trained sufficient pilots to induct the more advanced version of the JF-17.”
Finally, with PAC mostly focused on fulfilling the requirements of the PAF (i.e. fulfilling the PAF’s objective of supplanting a 190 aircraft by 2020), a small export order is sustainable:
“While the NAF may not be ready to induct the JF-17 en masse for the above-stated reasons, PAC Kamra is also constrained by its production capacity, as it has to cater for the PAF which needs to replace its older fleet of Mirage III/5 and F-7 at the rate of one squadron per year. Apparently, the small initial order suits PAC quite well, since the export orders have finally started, and more countries in Asia and Africa are likely to take the cue from NAF.”
Nigeria will join Myanmar as the second third-party user of the FC-1/JF-17 platform. Myanmar signed its order for 16 FC-1 during the 2015 Paris Air Show. Myanmar’s first FC-1 was spotted undergoing flight tests in China in June 2017.

with the money meant for the A-29 we can negotiate for 20 jf-17blk3 with weapons and maintenance inclusive

Theee most insane most insane Dakota display known to man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=wAVrE5pfN0s

Besides the the inverting, loops ect ect by far the most impressive was the slow fly pass and landing at the end.....I mean that pilot could literally land that Dak on a Mistral LHA!! bear in mind there is no fly-by-wire to help the pilot!!

@Tdayof, Remember that argument we had just when you joined this thread a couple of years ago? anyway not digging up old skeletons, but when i saw the video i knew i had to tag you after all you are in the aeronautics industry....

Pretty insane Grippen display as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=328&v=oEMy53ECMc8

@Tdayof you also might like 5:15 to 5:30 starting an inside loop(Positive G) then half why through going Negtive G (Outside loop) then back to an inside loop!!

Rooivalk Inverted

Credit: @Rosh SAAF Forum

...

Crazy Stunt.....Maybe we should look more into this Helo.....Could be good for Nigeria

jln115:
...

SA Bucs

kenpaul0:
Crazy Stunt.....Maybe we should look more into this Helo.....Could be good for Nigeria

blasphemy

Some information on Zuma launch:

http://www.intelligent-aerospace.com/articles/2018/01/zuma-spy-satellite-presumed-lost-following-flawed-separation-from-falcon-9-rocket.html?cmpid=enl_ias_intelligent_aerospace_2018-01-09&pwhid=8794119de8fe4da0e9677b3e0908a41d507fbccfe075e793cb6d037f35de3c6f8faf7633ec43923109dcc1a0bd2953b8c17b88385081cd3880f3508cdf2a9e06&eid=287673090&bid=1968559

gboye1999:
Some information on Zuma launch:

http://www.intelligent-aerospace.com/articles/2018/01/zuma-spy-satellite-presumed-lost-following-flawed-separation-from-falcon-9-rocket.html?cmpid=enl_ias_intelligent_aerospace_2018-01-09&pwhid=8794119de8fe4da0e9677b3e0908a41d507fbccfe075e793cb6d037f35de3c6f8faf7633ec43923109dcc1a0bd2953b8c17b88385081cd3880f3508cdf2a9e06&eid=287673090&bid=1968559

Gbese

Kenyan soldier

gboye1999:
Some information on Zuma launch:

http://www.intelligent-aerospace.com/articles/2018/01/zuma-spy-satellite-presumed-lost-following-flawed-separation-from-falcon-9-rocket.html?cmpid=enl_ias_intelligent_aerospace_2018-01-09&pwhid=8794119de8fe4da0e9677b3e0908a41d507fbccfe075e793cb6d037f35de3c6f8faf7633ec43923109dcc1a0bd2953b8c17b88385081cd3880f3508cdf2a9e06&eid=287673090&bid=1968559

The zuma launch is an American project. I used to think it belongs to SA due to the code name.

tdayof:


The zuma launch is an American project. I used to think it belongs to SA due to the code name.

You were not alone Sir.

tdayof:


The zuma launch is an American project. I used to think it belongs to SA due to the code name.

Hahaha. The name and Elon Musk being a Saffer.

Hint: our project names tend to be neutral wildlife-based.

frumentius:


Hahaha. The name and Elon Musk being a Saffer.

Hint: our project names tend to be neutral wildlife-based.

I like the guy. A guy with vision how would it have been if spacex was an African based company? I doubt it would have gotten that much attention.

You guys have any ongoing sat /space project?

Whats blasphemous in my statement? Its the truth..we need to buy a few and test run...it might in the long run be a cheaper Helo for us to run in Nigeria...

lionel4power:
blasphemy

kenpaul0:
Whats blasphemous in my statement? Its the truth..we need to buy a few and test run...it might in the long run be a cheaper Helo for us to run in Nigeria...

Think he was being sarcastic

tdayof:


I like the guy. A guy with vision how would it have been if spacex was an African based company? I doubt it would have gotten that much attention.

You guys have any ongoing sat /space project?

EO-SAT 1 currently in development

kenpaul0:
Whats blasphemous in my statement? Its the truth..we need to buy a few and test run...it might in the long run be a cheaper Helo for us to run in Nigeria...

hehehe.... it seems you're new here??

Don't worry you'll understand when they come for you..

kenpaul0:
Whats blasphemous in my statement? Its the truth..we need to buy a few and test run...it might in the long run be a cheaper Helo for us to run in Nigeria...

Question: why should we get the Rooivalk? When the Mi-35M fits our requirements perfectly. The Rooivalk adds no special capabilities to our airforce.

We should be talking about more fighters.

tdayof:


Question: why should we get the Rooivalk? When the Mi-35M fits our requirements perfectly. The Rooivalk adds no special capabilities to our airforce.

Lets have this dance again

I believe that the Rooviak has better maneuverability. I also believe it can be fitted with more firepower...Also our guys in Lekki can do a crash course with Denel to enhance and then subsequently produce home grown rockets/missles

tdayof:


Question: why should we get the Rooivalk? When the Mi-35M fits our requirements perfectly. The Rooivalk adds no special capabilities to our airforce.

We should be talking about more fighters.

kenpaul0:
I believe that the Rooviak has better maneuverability. I also believe it can be fitted with more firepower...Also our guys in Lekki can do a crash course with Denel to enhance and then subsequently produce home grown rockets/missles

The mi-35 has the manueverability you need for combat. You can watch the attached video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UY5Sb674VQ

What more firepower do you need?

The helicopter can be armed with up to eight 9М114 or 9M120 Ataka-V SACLOS radio guided anti-tank missiles, up to 80 ‘S-8’ 80mm unguided rockets and 20 ‘S-13’ type 122mm unguided aircraft rockets.

If you want the Rooivalk for some other reasons then no problem.

We produce our own rockets already.



NB: strictly intelligent discussion and not an argument.

Mummy blessings is required.

Video said MI-24....and i didnt see any special maneuverability...it just kept going round....Are our rockets in operation anywhere in the various theatres in Nigeria? I just said we need to buy at least 3 Rooviaks to TEST...they may end up performing better than what we have....no harm trying...and i still maintain our guys collabo with Denel

tdayof:


The mi-35 has the manueverability you need for combat. You can watch the attached video.




What more firepower do you need?


If you want the Rooivalk for some other reasons then no problem.

We produce our own rockets already.



NB: strictly intelligent discussion and not an argument.

kenpaul0:
Video said MI-24....and i didnt see any special maneuverability...it just kept going round....Are our rockets in operation anywhere in the various theatres in Nigeria? I just said we need to buy at least 3 Rooviaks to TEST...they may end up performing better than what we have....no harm trying...and i still maintain our guys collabo with Denel

Mi35 is an improved variant of mi24. I said the hind has the manueverability you need in combat. Some manueverability moves are only for airshows etc. You're not going to try them during a fire fight with terrorist armed with Manpads or even RPG.

Buy 3 Rooivalk for test we've not even bought 3 jets for test

Yes our rockets are being deployed in NE. It was mentioned during the airforce day.