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Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 5:35pm On Jan 18, 2018
There are several things in the Bible that aren't very clear and this subject matter happens to be one of them.
The school of thought that supports this event usually make reference to Gen1:1-2..they argue that there are billions of years between these two verses.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

They claim the initial creation happened in verse 1 and eventually billions of years passed before God for some reason had to destroy the earth but eventually decided to restore it back to shape from verse two.. They also argue that it explains the extinction of some creatures that have been discovered by modern day archeologists and dated million and billions of years..

I am very interested in learning about this topic from other Christians, are there other places in the Bible that supports the existence of a Pre-Adamic age?

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by cusBeta: 6:10pm On Jan 18, 2018
that one no concern me. what I know is that none of u on nairaland now was there to verify. what I know now is that I am alive.

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Fredmatic(m): 6:36pm On Jan 18, 2018
Yes, it is true, I HV study it with other scripture and related materials to kn dat, though it took me years of studies. Can u answer dis question? When did Satan rebel against God and was sent out of heaven in the bible? Dis happen happen billions of year before dis acsual creation. There is one person dat talk more about it here on niaraland, search for it and lear more

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 6:57pm On Jan 18, 2018
Fredmatic:
Yes, it is true, I HV study it with other scripture and related materials to kn dat, though it took me years of studies. Can u answer dis question? When did Satan rebel against God and was sent out of heaven in the bible? Dis happen happen billions of year before dis acsual creation. There is one person dat talk more about it here on niaraland, search for it and lear more
wat actual creation are you talking about? Verse 1 said God created the heavens and earth.. If satan rebelled in heaven den the fall of lucifer must av been after verse one.. Or do u mean d actually creation started from verse 2?cos verse one can stand on its own as the actual creation
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by sonofthunder: 7:35pm On Jan 18, 2018
Happy new year sukkot, I don't think I've heard your view on this but would like to hear it if you don't mind.
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 8:17pm On Jan 18, 2018
Cc
Ferisidowu
Aigboeben
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by petra1(m): 8:27pm On Jan 18, 2018
Yes pre adamite world is real .

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 9:22pm On Jan 18, 2018
hmm,, I will give my view on this soon

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by aigboeben(m): 4:08am On Jan 19, 2018
I don't have a wholesome response yet but this extract from a webpage maybe useful

Got Questions
Does the Bible say anything about a pre-Adamic race?



pre-Adamic race
Question: "Does the Bible say anything about a pre-Adamic race?"

Answer: The concept of a pre-Adamic race is the idea that God created a race of humans who lived on the Earth before He created Adam, the first man. This hypothesis has been promoted by various scholars at various times throughout history. Roman Emperor Julian the Apostate (circa A.D. 331–363) and Calvinist theologian Isaac de La Peyrère (1596-1676) are two notable examples.

We will look at two popular facets of the Preadamite Hypothesis: the hypothesis as it was proposed by Isaac de La Peyrère and the form which it takes in the “Gap Theory” (also known as the Ruin-Reconstruction interpretation). According to La Peyrère, God created the Gentiles on the sixth day when He said, “Let us make man in our image” (Genesis 1:26). He did not create the Jews until after the seventh day, His day of rest. At some point after the seventh day, God created Adam, the father of the Jews.

La Peyrère cited Scripture to support his hypothesis. Cain’s fear of being lynched, his marriage to an unknown woman and the fact that he founded a city (Genesis 4:14-17) are all interpreted as evidence that another race of men coexisted with Adam and his family.

La Peyrère subsequently reinterpreted other passages of Scripture in light of his peculiar understanding of the Genesis account. Consider a very familiar passage, Romans 5:12-14: “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.”

This passage is traditionally interpreted as meaning that death began with Adam’s sin and reigned unchecked among men (even among those who haven’t actually eaten the forbidden fruit, those who have sinned but not “in the likeness of the offense of Adam”) until the Law was given to Moses. La Peyrère interpreted this passage another way. According to La Peyrère, the pre-Adamic Gentiles sinned against God, but in a manner less egregious than Adam (which is why Adam’s sin brought death while theirs didn’t). They merely sinned against God’s moral will, while Adam sinned against His Law. Adam disobeyed God’s prohibition by eating the forbidden fruit. He broke what La Peyrère called the Law of Paradise. Thus, according to La Peyrère, the pre-Adamic Gentiles were those who “had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam.”

By now it’s obvious how misinterpreting one or two passages of Scripture can lead to all kinds of warped perceptions. The Scriptural problems with La Peyrère’s interpretations are numerous.

First, Adam is called the “first man” (1 Corinthians 15:45). This is inconsistent with the idea that God created men before Adam. Second, according to La Peyrère, the Gentiles were to live outside of the Garden of Eden while Adam enjoyed paradise (a privilege which came with the responsibility of obeying the Law of Paradise—not eating the forbidden fruit). Genesis 2:5-8, however, says quite plainly that before God created “the man whom He had formed,” the very same man which He placed in the garden, there were no men upon the earth to cultivate the ground. Third, God created Eve for Adam because he was alone, there was no one else like him around (“It is not good for the man to be alone… but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him” Genesis 2:18, 20). Fourth, Adam named his wife “Eve” “because she was the mother of all the living” (Genesis 3:20). The list goes on, but these passages should suffice to refute La Peyrère’s misinterpretation.

As for Cain’s fear of being lynched, his marriage to an unknown woman and the fact that he founded a city (Genesis 4:14-17), Adam was almost 130 years old by the time that Cain killed Abel (Adam had Seth, his next son after Abel’s death, when he was about 130 years old; Genesis 4:25; 5:3). And we know that Adam had sons and daughters (Genesis 5:3). At 130 he could have had grandkids and great-grandkids by the time that Cain killed Abel. Cain had plenty of family members to be afraid of after killing his brother.

Cain apparently married a family member (a necessity back then) at some point before Abel’s murder. It seems odd to us today, but incest wasn’t outlawed by God until the Law of Moses. It may have been around that time that generations of degenerative genetic mutations began to take a toll on our DNA. God outlawed incest for our protection. It became (and remains) dangerous for close relatives to procreate because of shared genetic defects which become expressed in their children causing severe deformities and other problems.

As for Cain founding a city, if he lived to be the average age back then, he probably lived to be about 900 years old. By the time he died, his family would have been a small city. If Cain had a child at the age of 30, and his child had a child at the age of 30 and so on, Cain could have produced 30 generations by the time he died (30 generations times 30 years each equals 900 years).

The Ruin-Reconstruction interpretation takes a somewhat different approach to the pre-Adamic race theory. According to the Gap Theory, an unspecified amount of time passed between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, during which God created a pre-Adamic race of men who lived upon the earth until God destroyed them in judgment. Other extinct creatures, like the dinosaurs, are said to have also lived during this time. Afterwards, the theory goes, God remodeled the earth in six days. He created Adam on the sixth day, and the rest is history. Some say that Satan’s fall occurred at some point during the ambiguous gap.

A “mistranslation” has contributed to the case for this misinterpretation. In the King James Version of the Bible, God says to Adam, “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.” Proponents of the Gap Theory emphasize the word “replenish.” They interpret the text as saying that Adam and Eve were to refill the Earth. They were to fill it again. The problem with this view is that, regardless of what it says in English translations, the Hebrew word is mâlê’, and it simply means “to fill” or “to be full.” Moreover, the English translators of the King James Version knew the word means “to fill.” They chose “replenish” because, in 17th-century Elizabethan English, “replenish” meant “to fill” (similar to how in modern English the word “replete” doesn’t mean to “abound again,” it simply means “abundant” or “abounding”). Language is not static, but dynamic. Words change meaning over time. Today “replenish” means “to fill again.” It didn’t mean the same thing in 17th century England. Nearly all modern translations translate mâlê’ as simply “fill” in the passage in question (Genesis 1:28).

Proponents of the Gap Theory respond by pointing out that God said to Noah after the flood, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill [mâlê’] the earth” (Genesis 9:1). It is evident that Noah was meant to refill the earth after the flood. Can’t we then interpret the same command to Adam to mean the same thing—that Adam was to repopulate the earth after God’s judgment? The fact is that, regardless what the condition of the planet was before Noah’s flood, God didn’t tell Noah to “refill” the Earth. He simply said to fill it. God chose the words He chose and no others. If He said “refill,” that would have been something, but since He just said “fill,” that argument falls flat.

The real problem with the Gap Theory is that it places human mortality (pre-Adamic human mortality) before Adam’s sin. The Bible is quite clear that death entered in through Adam’s sin. “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive” (1 Corinthians 15:21-22). Regardless of whether or not we believe in animal mortality before sin, the Bible is quite explicit about human mortality before Adam’s sin. There wasn’t any. To deny this is to deny a central Christian doctrine.

Recommended Resources: The Case for a Creator by Lee Strobel

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 5:49am On Jan 19, 2018
aigboeben:
I don't have a wholesome response yet but this extract from a webpage maybe useful

Got Questions
Does the Bible say anything about a pre-Adamic race?



pre-Adamic race
Question: "Does the Bible say anything about a pre-Adamic race?"

Answer: The concept of a pre-Adamic race is the idea that God created a race of humans who lived on the Earth before He created Adam, the first man. This hypothesis has been promoted by various scholars at various times throughout history. Roman Emperor Julian the Apostate (circa A.D. 331–363) and Calvinist theologian Isaac de La Peyrère (1596-1676) are two notable examples.

We will look at two popular facets of the Preadamite Hypothesis: the hypothesis as it was proposed by Isaac de La Peyrère and the form which it takes in the “Gap Theory” (also known as the Ruin-Reconstruction interpretation). According to La Peyrère, God created the Gentiles on the sixth day when He said, “Let us make man in our image” (Genesis 1:26). He did not create the Jews until after the seventh day, His day of rest. At some point after the seventh day, God created Adam, the father of the Jews.

La Peyrère cited Scripture to support his hypothesis. Cain’s fear of being lynched, his marriage to an unknown woman and the fact that he founded a city (Genesis 4:14-17) are all interpreted as evidence that another race of men coexisted with Adam and his family.

La Peyrère subsequently reinterpreted other passages of Scripture in light of his peculiar understanding of the Genesis account. Consider a very familiar passage, Romans 5:12-14: “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.”

This passage is traditionally interpreted as meaning that death began with Adam’s sin and reigned unchecked among men (even among those who haven’t actually eaten the forbidden fruit, those who have sinned but not “in the likeness of the offense of Adam”) until the Law was given to Moses. La Peyrère interpreted this passage another way. According to La Peyrère, the pre-Adamic Gentiles sinned against God, but in a manner less egregious than Adam (which is why Adam’s sin brought death while theirs didn’t). They merely sinned against God’s moral will, while Adam sinned against His Law. Adam disobeyed God’s prohibition by eating the forbidden fruit. He broke what La Peyrère called the Law of Paradise. Thus, according to La Peyrère, the pre-Adamic Gentiles were those who “had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam.”

By now it’s obvious how misinterpreting one or two passages of Scripture can lead to all kinds of warped perceptions. The Scriptural problems with La Peyrère’s interpretations are numerous.

First, Adam is called the “first man” (1 Corinthians 15:45). This is inconsistent with the idea that God created men before Adam. Second, according to La Peyrère, the Gentiles were to live outside of the Garden of Eden while Adam enjoyed paradise (a privilege which came with the responsibility of obeying the Law of Paradise—not eating the forbidden fruit). Genesis 2:5-8, however, says quite plainly that before God created “the man whom He had formed,” the very same man which He placed in the garden, there were no men upon the earth to cultivate the ground. Third, God created Eve for Adam because he was alone, there was no one else like him around (“It is not good for the man to be alone… but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him” Genesis 2:18, 20). Fourth, Adam named his wife “Eve” “because she was the mother of all the living” (Genesis 3:20). The list goes on, but these passages should suffice to refute La Peyrère’s misinterpretation.

As for Cain’s fear of being lynched, his marriage to an unknown woman and the fact that he founded a city (Genesis 4:14-17), Adam was almost 130 years old by the time that Cain killed Abel (Adam had Seth, his next son after Abel’s death, when he was about 130 years old; Genesis 4:25; 5:3). And we know that Adam had sons and daughters (Genesis 5:3). At 130 he could have had grandkids and great-grandkids by the time that Cain killed Abel. Cain had plenty of family members to be afraid of after killing his brother.

Cain apparently married a family member (a necessity back then) at some point before Abel’s murder. It seems odd to us today, but incest wasn’t outlawed by God until the Law of Moses. It may have been around that time that generations of degenerative genetic mutations began to take a toll on our DNA. God outlawed incest for our protection. It became (and remains) dangerous for close relatives to procreate because of shared genetic defects which become expressed in their children causing severe deformities and other problems.

As for Cain founding a city, if he lived to be the average age back then, he probably lived to be about 900 years old. By the time he died, his family would have been a small city. If Cain had a child at the age of 30, and his child had a child at the age of 30 and so on, Cain could have produced 30 generations by the time he died (30 generations times 30 years each equals 900 years).

The Ruin-Reconstruction interpretation takes a somewhat different approach to the pre-Adamic race theory. According to the Gap Theory, an unspecified amount of time passed between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, during which God created a pre-Adamic race of men who lived upon the earth until God destroyed them in judgment. Other extinct creatures, like the dinosaurs, are said to have also lived during this time. Afterwards, the theory goes, God remodeled the earth in six days. He created Adam on the sixth day, and the rest is history. Some say that Satan’s fall occurred at some point during the ambiguous gap.

A “mistranslation” has contributed to the case for this misinterpretation. In the King James Version of the Bible, God says to Adam, “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.” Proponents of the Gap Theory emphasize the word “replenish.” They interpret the text as saying that Adam and Eve were to refill the Earth. They were to fill it again. The problem with this view is that, regardless of what it says in English translations, the Hebrew word is mâlê’, and it simply means “to fill” or “to be full.” Moreover, the English translators of the King James Version knew the word means “to fill.” They chose “replenish” because, in 17th-century Elizabethan English, “replenish” meant “to fill” (similar to how in modern English the word “replete” doesn’t mean to “abound again,” it simply means “abundant” or “abounding”). Language is not static, but dynamic. Words change meaning over time. Today “replenish” means “to fill again.” It didn’t mean the same thing in 17th century England. Nearly all modern translations translate mâlê’ as simply “fill” in the passage in question (Genesis 1:28).

Proponents of the Gap Theory respond by pointing out that God said to Noah after the flood, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill [mâlê’] the earth” (Genesis 9:1). It is evident that Noah was meant to refill the earth after the flood. Can’t we then interpret the same command to Adam to mean the same thing—that Adam was to repopulate the earth after God’s judgment? The fact is that, regardless what the condition of the planet was before Noah’s flood, God didn’t tell Noah to “refill” the Earth. He simply said to fill it. God chose the words He chose and no others. If He said “refill,” that would have been something, but since He just said “fill,” that argument falls flat.

The real problem with the Gap Theory is that it places human mortality (pre-Adamic human mortality) before Adam’s sin. The Bible is quite clear that death entered in through Adam’s sin. “For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive” (1 Corinthians 15:21-22). Regardless of whether or not we believe in animal mortality before sin, the Bible is quite explicit about human mortality before Adam’s sin. There wasn’t any. To deny this is to deny a central Christian doctrine.

Recommended Resources: The Case for a Creator by Lee Strobel
Thanks for contributing. However, there are some misconception in that write up. When man was created is clear from scriptures and that is on the 6th day. But the theory states that the gap existed between verse 1 and 2..some interpret the verse two as saying "the earth became without form and void" meaning an event occurred wch the Bible is silent about.. It doesn't say there was a generation of man dat existed before Adam but there where some beings who existed before him.. In one of Kenneth Hagin books "the triumphant church" he traced the origin of demons to av come from the Pre-Adamic Age (I'll see if i can get an excerpt of it)..

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by realmindz: 10:41am On Jan 19, 2018
salvation101:
There are several things in the Bible that aren't very clear and this subject matter happens to be one of them.
The school of thought that supports this event usually make reference to Gen1:1-2..they argue that there are billions of years between these two verses.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

They claim the initial creation happened in verse 1 and eventually billions of years passed before God for some reason had to destroy the earth but eventually decided to restore it back to shape from verse two.. They also argue that it explains the extinction of some creatures that have been discovered by modern day archeologists and dated million and billions of years..

I am very interested in learning about this topic from other Christians, are there other places in the Bible that supports the existence of a Pre-Adamic age?

Religion has always been known to first fight any discovery and scientific facts that seems to negate their teachings, when they cannot stop it, they will then blend their teachings to fit into the scientific facts and even claim credit for it.


It's all lies religious people tell themselves to stay relevant in a world which has gone far more knowledgeable than cave men teachings

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by aigboeben(m): 11:12am On Jan 19, 2018
salvation101:

Thanks for contributing. However, there are some misconception in that write up. When man was created is clear from scriptures and that is on the 6th day. But the theory states that the gap existed between verse 1 and 2..some interpret the verse two as saying "the earth became without form and void" meaning an event occurred wch the Bible is silent about.. It doesn't say there was a generation of man dat existed before Adam but there where some beings who existed before him.. In one of Kenneth Hagin books "the triumphant church" he traced the origin of demons to av come from the Pre-Adamic Age (I'll see if i can get an excerpt of it)..
I have that book (hard-copy). I will look it up. I think the proponents of pre Adamic age claim God couldn't have created the earth without form and void. Then the darkness depicts the presence of Satan.
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Mescopaul(m): 11:19am On Jan 19, 2018
realmindz:


Religion has always been knowing to first fight any discovery and scientific facts that seems to negate their teachings, when they cannot stop it, they will then blend their teachings to fit into the scientific facts and even claim credit for it.


It's all lies religious people tell themselves to stay relevant in a world which has gone far more knowledgeable than cave men teachings

My brother, you have not said anything. Try to contribute to the issue at hand, or sit back and learn.

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by realmindz: 11:22am On Jan 19, 2018
if death came into the world through the sins of Adam and eve, then how did the first creatures die?
?
The stars were said to be made on the fourth day, the sun was made after light. The moon a lesser light to rule the night...loads of bullshi.ts

The creation story is pure fairytale that insults a rational mind.. It's a childhood tale that should remain with our childhood fantasies but unfortunately adults can't do away with it

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by realmindz: 11:29am On Jan 19, 2018
Mescopaul:


My brother, you have not said anything. Try to contribute to the issue at hand, or sit back and learn.

don't be so pained, not everyone can share in your fantasies. Sorry I did not delight you by appealing to the joy of your childhood tales
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by budaatum: 12:04pm On Jan 19, 2018
God was perfecting his skills with Pre-Adams prior to creating better versions. See his evolutionary development.


Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 12:23pm On Jan 19, 2018
aigboeben:

I have that book (hard-copy). I will look it up. I think the proponents of pre Adamic age claim God couldn't have created the earth without form and void. Then the darkness depicts the presence of Satan.
yup. Check the first chapter. It talks about the origin of Satan kingdom.
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by danvon(m): 1:11pm On Jan 19, 2018
[i][/i]I believe it too

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Genesis:1:2

Most people ignore that, if God made heaven and didn't destroy the earth then how did it become without form and void it's like trying to say God created Lucifer and 7days later he rebelled against him

Jeremiah 4:23-28, “I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, [i]there was no man,[/i]and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.”


It uses the exact phrase word for word as Genesis 1:2

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 1:53pm On Jan 19, 2018
danvon:
[i][/i]I believe it too

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Genesis:1:2

Most people ignore that, if God made heaven and didn't destroy the earth then how did it become without form and void it's like trying to say God created Lucifer and 7days later he rebelled against him

Jeremiah 4:23-28, “I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, [i]there was no man,[/i]and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.”


It uses the exact phrase word for word as Genesis 1:2
wow, it makes alot of sense now

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by unbitchable(m): 9:47pm On Jan 20, 2018
salvation101:
Cc Ferisidowu Aigboeben
Following closely..., Removetheturban should also make a tour of this thread
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 10:12pm On Jan 20, 2018
dear op check my past topics you will see what you looking for...

https://www.nairaland.com/3120798/part-1-creation-restoration-deeper

https://www.nairaland.com/3120807/part-2-creation-restoration-deeper

if these don't help I'll try comment when I'm free
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 3:17am On Jan 21, 2018
Ferisidowu:
dear op check my past topics you will see what you looking for...

https://www.nairaland.com/3120798/part-1-creation-restoration-deeper

https://www.nairaland.com/3120807/part-2-creation-restoration-deeper

if these don't help I'll try comment when I'm free
ok I'll go tru them.
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 6:11pm On Jan 21, 2018
salvation101:
ok I'll go tru them.

Any information from it?
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 7:41pm On Jan 21, 2018
Ferisidowu:


Any information from it?
been busy as its Sunday but will surely go tru it nd revert
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 9:14pm On Jan 21, 2018
salvation101:
There are several things in the Bible that aren't very clear and this subject matter happens to be one of them.
The school of thought that supports this event usually make reference to Gen1:1-2..they argue that there are billions of years between these two verses.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

They claim the initial creation happened in verse 1 and eventually billions of years passed before God for some reason had to destroy the earth but eventually decided to restore it back to shape from verse two.. They also argue that it explains the extinction of some creatures that have been discovered by modern day archeologists and dated million and billions of years..

I am very interested in learning about this topic from other Christians, are there other places in the Bible that supports the existence of a Pre-Adamic age?

Those verses do not support any pre-Adamic age. There are no pre-Adamic age.

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by unbitchable(m): 3:26am On Jan 24, 2018
salvation101:
A bundle of myrrh is my unbitchable unto me; he shall lie all night between my breasts ( Songs of Solomon 1:13 ).
Between thy breasts lies the fountain whence I shall fill my thirst. The joy of thy crotch is my strength.
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Obi1kenobi(m): 2:41pm On Jan 24, 2018
Even forgetting science which renders the Adamic origin story as nonsense. The Bible itself hints that Adam and his progeny weren't the only humans on earth. No story exemplifies this more than that of Cain.

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 4:47pm On Jan 24, 2018
Obi1kenobi:
Even forgetting science which renders the Adamic origin story as nonsense. The Bible itself hints that Adam and his progeny weren't the only humans on earth. No story exemplifies this more than that of Cain.
where did you get that from? Expatiate siting bible reference

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Obi1kenobi(m): 7:32pm On Jan 24, 2018
salvation101:
where did you get that from? Expatiate siting bible reference

You need me to teach you the story of Cain again?

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by ichuka(m): 12:05am On Jan 25, 2018
danvon:
[i][/i]I believe it too

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Genesis:1:2

Most people ignore that, if God made heaven and didn't destroy the earth then how did it become without form and void it's like trying to say God created Lucifer and 7days later he rebelled against him

Jeremiah 4:23-28, “I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, [i]there was no man,[/i]and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.”


It uses the exact phrase word for word as Genesis 1:2
Nice work bro
Will try and contribute later
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 8:24am On Jan 26, 2018
Thank you for inviting me to the thread. In the Bible, the book of Genesis clearly states that God created the HeavenS and the Earth. The same account went on to narrate the creative process in sequence. ON THE EARTH, it begins with 'let there be light' to the creation of Eve.

Talking about human-beings in a pre-Adamic sense is a cacophonious deviation from the Bible's account. The man (man and woman) was the last creation and he WAS MADE(not evolved) in the image of God. In turn, talking about other living things we can apply the term 'pre-Adamic' because they existed before man.

Consequently, the Bible's mention of the earth being without form is actually right. In that same vein, it also mentioned emptiness and darkness over the surface of the water or deep(sea). These words 'formless, empty, and dark' are synonymous with our everyday thoughts. Let us zoom in on the earth. Understand that the heavens and the earth are already created. Done! Now, the emphasis was on the earth and now we are talking inside of it.
Let us compare the earth to a house for instance. The structure of a house has been built and the load-bearing walls constructed but the house can be called formless because it hasn't taken any shape. The inclusion of partition walls tells us which is the bedroom or which is the storeroom or the kitchen.
That is how it was with the earth being formless. Remember that the Bible talked about the water or deep which means that water existed already in the earth. Making a form of the earth is making a separation or partition of the expanse and the water and the dry land.

Genesis 1:6 shows how God partitioned the water in the expanse by placing water above and beneath it. The expanse he called the Heaven(which is also called the sky or cloud). At this point, there is a form clearly showing the seas and Oceans and the water that forms the cloud or descends as rain. Note how the form takes shape.

Verse 9 goes on to show how the dry land was formed. Water was collected and now we have the dry land. Imagine looking down at it from an aerial position and you can see the form that has taken place. Now the dry land was called earth.

At this point, one may be confused with the term 'earth' and 'Heaven' used in reference to the earth. But remember that Genesis 1:1 says that the heavens and the earth had already been created. Also, do not forget that we zoomed in on the earth alone. And, the verses in the Bible said that the expanse WAS CALLED 'Heaven' and the dry land WAS CALLED 'Earth'.

The earth is a term used to refer to the planet/universe/globe/sphere and also the ground/land/soil.

For the Earth being empty and dark, I am sure that is understandable because the light was made and the earth was populated.

In conclusion, the Bible did not state when day 1 of creation began. We do not know how long the earth remained formless before Jehovah started his works of creation. Scientists could be right in stating that the earth has existed for eons of years. We do not know for sure.

There is no record of any life existing in a formless earth before creation so the archaeological discovery of fossils dating billions of years is farcical and irreligious. There was no life before the Bible's account of creation.

The time in between the days of creation is uncertain but using the definition of the Bible which says that a day to God is a thousand years to man, we can say that a day was a thousand years and not a 24-hour period.

It is delusional and intellectually eerie to state that God created the earth, destroyed it and then recreated it in another form Because Deuteronomy 32:4 says that Jehovah's works are perfect.

The destruction of the earth at the time was the destruction of the wicked people after creation during the days of Noah.

Jehovah's witnesses are very careful about digesting unbiblical and unadulterated information because they can be deluding.

unbitchable:
Following closely..., Removetheturban should also make a tour of this thread

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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 12:28pm On Jan 26, 2018
removetheturban:
Thank you for inviting me to the thread. In the Bible, the book of Genesis clearly states that God created the HeavenS and the Earth. The same account went on to narrate the creative process in sequence. ON THE EARTH, it begins with 'let there be light' to the creation of Eve.

Talking about human-beings in a pre-Adamic sense is a cacophonious deviation from the Bible's account. The man (man and woman) was the last creation and he WAS MADE(not evolved) in the image of God. In turn, talking about other living things we can apply the term 'pre-Adamic' because they existed before man.

Consequently, the Bible's mention of the earth being without form is actually right. In that same vein, it also mentioned emptiness and darkness over the surface of the water or deep(sea). These words 'formless, empty, and dark' are synonymous with our everyday thoughts. Let us zoom in on the earth. Understand that the heavens and the earth are already created. Done! Now, the emphasis was on the earth and now we are talking inside of it.
Let us compare the earth to a house for instance. The structure of a house has been built and the load-bearing walls constructed but the house can be called formless because it hasn't taken any shape. The inclusion of partition walls tells us which is the bedroom or which is the storeroom or the kitchen.
That is how it was with the earth being formless. Remember that the Bible talked about the water or deep which means that water existed already in the earth. Making a form of the earth is making a separation or partition of the expanse and the water and the dry land.

Genesis 1:6 shows how God partitioned the water in the expanse by placing water above and beneath it. The expanse he called the Heaven(which is also called the sky or cloud). At this point, there is a form clearly showing the seas and Oceans and the water that forms the cloud or descends as rain. Note how the form takes shape.

Verse 9 goes on to show how the dry land was formed. Water was collected and now we have the dry land. Imagine looking down at it from an aerial position and you can see the form that has taken place. Now the dry land was called earth.

At this point, one may be confused with the term 'earth' and 'Heaven' used in reference to the earth. But remember that Genesis 1:1 says that the heavens and the earth had already been created. Also, do not forget that we zoomed in on the earth alone. And, the verses in the Bible said that the expanse WAS CALLED 'Heaven' and the dry land WAS CALLED 'Earth'.

The earth is a term used to refer to the planet/universe/globe/sphere and also the ground/land/soil.

For the Earth being empty and dark, I am sure that is understandable because the light was made and the earth was populated.

In conclusion, the Bible did not state when day 1 of creation began. We do not know how long the earth remained formless before Jehovah started his works of creation. Scientists could be right in stating that the earth has existed for eons of years. We do not know for sure.

There is no record of any life existing in a formless earth before creation so the archaeological discovery of fossils dating billions of years is farcical and irreligious. There was no life before the Bible's account of creation.

The time in between the days of creation is uncertain but using the definition of the Bible which says that a day to God is a thousand years to man, we can say that a day was a thousand years and not a 24-hour period.

It is delusional and intellectually eerie to state that God created the earth, destroyed it and then recreated it in another form Because Deuteronomy 32:4 says that Jehovah's works are perfect.

The destruction of the earth at the time was the destruction of the wicked people after creation during the days of Noah.

Jehovah's witnesses are very careful about digesting unbiblical and unadulterated information because they can be deluding.

good afternoon my good friend.. This topic is one of the few topics one cannot be dogmatic about as little is spoken about it in scriptures but it makes perfect sense...
1... The bible talked about the fall of lucifer. Lucifer wanted to ascend towards the heaven and be like God.. Dis shows dat heaven was created before lucifer.
2... Scientists av proven through scientific methods dat some carcass of creatures are billions of years old (carbon dating)
3..God separated the darkness from light. Light he called day, darkness he called night. There is no mention of anywhere wen God corrected d sequence and made day shorter.. Ur submission of God using a thousand years as a day places a limitation on God's ability. Its like u are saying he couldn't av created those things in a single day nd had to use a thousand years for a day.. The bible said a thousand years is like a day before God, dats because God is eternal and time is only a minute fraction of eternity.
4.. No one is saying man is a Pre-Adamic being. Adam is the first man according to scriptures.

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