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Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Mujtahida: 6:39pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
MizMyColi:Remember to keep the flow, be in the flow and be one with the flow. Even in the mystery of unknowing one still comes to know. Even in the flow one finds a still point. Do you know that the eye(as in the centre) of a storm is always calm? once you know, mystery disappears, once you stand still you stand the danger of getting stuck. So I say go with the flow, allow the mystery. That's the only way to stay involved and not be sucked into the pipe of aloofness. Don't be boxed in a corner. Wild child, that's what we are. Indian Nobel prize poet Rabidranath Tagore said that the Eternal cry is more. More, more, more. That's why you must keep moving with your centre, keep moving into your center. Let it go on and on or like Celine Dion sang your heart(your center) will go on Here's Enya's Wild child Wild Child Enya LYRICS Ever close your eyes Ever stop and listen Ever feel alive And you've nothing missing You don't need a reason Let the day go on and on Let the rain fall down Everywhere around you Give into it now Let the day surround you You don't need a reason Let the rain go on and on What a day, what a day to take to What a way, what a way to make it through What a day, what a day to take to a wild child Only take the time From the helter skelter Every day you find Everything's in kilter You don't need a reason Let the day go on and on Every summer sun Every winter evening Every spring to come Every autumn leaving You don't need a reason Let it all go on and on What a day, what a day to take to What a way, what a way to make it through What a… 1 Like |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 7:01pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
MizMyColi:Bah. Okedokes. How about describe God and all or whatever god(s) you've come to know. Give an exhaustive description in whichever manner and in line with your understanding MizMyColi:Whichever you know, whichever you've heard about, whichever you sense, whichever you're aware of, whichever you search to know more of MizMyColi:I don't know. Only you know the real reason why you really parried a simple and harmless question MizMyColi:Fair enough Thought you had an idea what God and gods are MizMyColi:Suit yourself MizMyColi:Charming. Aint that just charming As I earlier said, you are so on point with that remark because I, each of us, just like you, are all a part of God and at the suck in of that last breathe, each one of the part returns and go back to God. MizMyColi:Difference between "can" and "will"? Where from are you springing that on me? |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 7:01pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Mujtahida:I disconcur with the post. I have learnt to rephrase "define" to say "describe" The only religion seen as true and faultless has nothing to do with rituals, nothing to do with. Wasn't at all asking about a Christian perspective of God I was asking of what a MizMyColi or a Mujtahida of this world has got to know thinks, figured out, grasped what God is and what god(s) are Having divine attributes ascribed unto, is not a monopoly nor something God only enjoys |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 7:11pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
MizMyColi:I did smell that miles away. That isn't my style, that isn't my modus operandi It's just my way to find out where you've come from and to gauge where you are You are an extension of the Godhood, you are part of the Godhood. Wish you could see me. You get me excited when you keep making remarks like those which are so so true |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by hopefulLandlord: 7:14pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Mujtahida: An Enya fan! salut! |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Mujtahida: 7:23pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Okay describe is better than define. But even that would be difficult for me except you want me to describe what I have read about God because personally I have no experience of God such that I can describe him. |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 7:33pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Mujtahida:Mujta', that's cool by me. Just do it, to the best of your effort and as if your life depends on it. I don't want you to hold back. Muster all your strength, squeeze out every drop and drop ounce. I don't have a glass chin so be free to give me your best shot or jab. Whatever you've read, whatever you've experienced, whatever you've sensed whatever you've learned, whatever you know, whatever you've come to realise. This isn't a trick request. and I don't buy it is something difficult to do There are no rules, hence the departure from defining or definition Just tell me about the nouns; God and god(s) I'll like to see examples and or illustrations being part of your narrative. |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MizMyColi(f): 7:40pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Mujtahida: @Emboldened I could use a fellowship of more people like you. Well, it gets better, no? I like the perspective you bring. Hahahahahaha Now you speak of Enya, I remember with fondness how my mentors of the day demonized her. I should listen to her sometime. I used to be a fan of music, yeah? But lately, not so much, there was a time when I needed music to meditate; to go within. Nowadays, I find it is easier to just go in when I want to. That's growth I think ![]() Looool I doubt I have a choice... I have to go with the flow. Trust me, I know what I mean. It's like a pull. |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MizMyColi(f): 8:01pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Okay Muttleylaff. I see it's no longer define, but now describe. Ehn ehn Let me see if I can coin a description. I have to add though... This description....it is nothing compared to what divinity really is. In shot I dunno. But let me try. When I think of God...Father I prefer. I think of a being who is filled with nothing short of love in its truest, purest sense. (Even I cannot fully grasp the depth of this statement). I think of a being who is filled with indescribable power, ernomous awesomeness, and magnificence; Light, pure, light. (Bible might have influenced this thinking) I also picture him and myself as royalty. So powerful a being, but when we are together, it's like he just ordinary, like a loving father who dotes on his carefree girl child. I'm aware how soooo powerful he is, yet, he relates to me like an ordinary person...more like bringing himself to my level while maintaining all that load of awesomeness. When I seek to reconnect or realign with divinity within.. I feel this powerful wave of calm, of quiet strength, deep love, compassion, joy, laughter, glowing eyes, sometimes it gets ticklish as well, I feel full of power, like there's nothing that's impossible. Mehn, it's real, it's alive. phew!! I should stop here. Now, you tell me about yours. |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 8:10pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
MizMyColi:Not so fast Jose with half done work Describe the nouns God and god(s) with god(s), as in, being all you understand a god to be PS: Me like. It's interesting all you wrote about God. Can't wait to read what you'll pen about god(s) |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MizMyColi(f): 8:21pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: I don't know about gods biko. Hian. The one I thought I know, I am still coming to terms with, and you are asking me about other gods, biko I don't know. To each his own. ![]() |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Mujtahida: 8:23pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:Then I'd say God is the isness, the hereness, the allness for us, with us, in us, unknown, unknowable. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Nobody: 8:30pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Mujtahida: Thank you once again. Perhaps I am guilty as charged and given to overuse of Jargon but I try to be specific and precise as to my meaning and intentions. For me spirituality encompasses both nature and supernature, I see the spirituality in the graceful movement of an eagle as it soars across the skies, equally I fathom the spirituality in the blazing eyes of a sorcerer as he re-arranges the universe to conform to his will. Spirituality is what it is, there are no limits except those we impose on ourselves. Mujtahida: Here's something I often meditate on : "Perfection is not for the pure of soul; There may be virtue in sin." 1 Like |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Mujtahida: 8:32pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:The Abrahamic religions promote a dominant solitary God exclusive to its adherents in contrast to the tolerance of the polytheistic religions. Someone said that Indian polytheism with its many gods never knew a religious war for thousands of years. But now fundamentalism has crept into Hinduism in reaction to Islam and has led to constant attrition. It's not for nothing that the Abrahamic religions have fought so many wars- their histories is filled with carnage, pillage and bloodletting. Exclusivity over such a 'precious thing as God' is bound to cause enmity, rivalry, the desire to impose and control, resistance and eventually war. But the adherents of this religions rarely look outside their religions. Christians do not know that so called miracles exists in other religions or even if they do they ascribe it to the devil. They do not know that speaking in tongues predated Pentecost and was well known in the ancient world as glossalia, they do not know that even without Christ Buddhist monks have an ineffable sense of peace and tranquillity which many Christians as 'children of God' do not have even with all their prayers and fasting. Below are some of the most popular pictures in the world :A young Buddhist monk burned himself to death in Saigon's Market Square, to protest the government's religious policies in1963. He sat down in the famous lotus position without flinching one bit, without uttering so much as even a whimper as the flames grind his body to ashes. Amazingly his heart was not burnt. it was intact. Isn't that miraculous? What deep peace and fortitude. Away with the lies of exclusivity. I'm sure if any people or group claims that the sun belongs to them we'd laugh them to scorn, so also should we treat any religion that lays exclusive claims on God. 4 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Mujtahida: 8:44pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Sarassin:That's just it. It's like a river or water that takes the shape of any container it's put into. Here's something I often meditate on : "Perfection is not for the pure of soul; There may be virtue in sin."The pure soul is a pure lie- Frederick Nietzche in the Anti Christ. I suffered so much from guilt, from a crushing sense of sin, from the wasting desire to be rid of my sins.I wondered why God hated sin so much yet never quite helped me be rid of it. I wanted so much to be washed squeaky clean by the blood of Jesus. I realised it's all fiction. It's all the play on my consciousness by a word induced suggestion. Once I rid myself of the sense if sin as an act displeasing to a God in heaven guilt disappeared from my life. But why is Christianity so obsessed with sin. Take away sin and Jesus disappears, it's doctrines like redemption, justification, judgement automatically vanish. |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Mujtahida: 8:52pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
MizMyColi:Yeah I think as time goes on non religious people will start meeting in Nigeria too but I have realised that once structures are put on the spiritual it dies. I wish I could have someone who we could just seat down quietly together and meditate without saying a word. People say Enya is demonic. But I trust you know by now that that is a code word for lack of understanding. What people do not understand, they demonise. Enya sings in gaelic which is a richly poetic and a bit mysterious sounding language and of course many do not understand gaelic. As far as music is concerned I have very weird taste of music but whatever the genre if I do feel poetry in it I don't listen to it. You are amazing though 1 Like |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 9:06pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
MizMyColi:It's alright, I think it’s beautiful all you wrote about God What good are wings without the courage to fly Dont worry, it's not really hard or difficult to talk about or describe god(s) It is a reality there is God and "to each his own" god(s) 1 Like |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 9:06pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Mujtahida:Flowery. There is nothing so fatal to character as half tasks You left out the other part about god(s) |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Mujtahida: 9:13pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:We are the gods. Good, bad, holy, pure, happy, sad, rich, poor, truthful, deceptive as in man in all his fullness both positive and negative. We are the individualised isness of God. God says I am that I am. Man in describing himself also says I AM..... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MizMyColi(f): 9:15pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Mujtahida: Well, starting a meeting is cool. It's great when like minds rub. But what I do not subscribe to is all that offering, tithe, donation, contribution gig. Like you said, I have desired too to have some kind of meet where we just meditate. I figure it would help me with consistency. I was at this brink of creating a thread and calling for a WhatsApp group gig for people of like minds. But something always stops me. No matter how noble the idea, I could be opening myself and other innocents to nonsensicalities. So far, so good, in my life, I have met awesome people. AWESOME. I didn't ask for them per se, they just happened. One of my friends believes it's a soul thing. More like soul agreements that we meet certain people at certain times in our lives. When their purpose is done, they move on....and we move on too. I quite agree @Enya. Oh well, per music, I am genreless. The kind of music I enjoy lately, if I were told that I would someday, I woulda given the person HolyGhost slaps ![]() ![]() Ohhhh, really? Am I now? Many thanks. I think you are too. |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Mujtahida: 9:23pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
MizMyColi:Church for non religious people. Nahhhh. People just meet, meditate and go home. Have you heard about egregores? Sarassin have you? Like you said, I have desired too to have some kind of meet where we just meditate. I figure it would help me with consistency.Nonsensicalities always comes up not to talk of the accusations about forming a satanic cult. Not to scare you though. I always toy with the idea too. Possibly start with my small family but my SO though not a religious person doesn't buy into meditation stunts. So far, so good, in my life, I have met awesome people. AWESOME.We attract what we are 1 Like |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MizMyColi(f): 9:28pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Mujtahida: This is stirring. Positively stirring. I just confirmed the burning monk ish. 1 Like |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MizMyColi(f): 9:30pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Mujtahida: Multiple thousand billion likes and shares. |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MizMyColi(f): 9:31pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
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Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MizMyColi(f): 9:38pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Soooo I've wondered what inspired the moniker Mujtahida. This is meant to make you laugh. I first came across the moniker on the super eagles thread when Dave drew me out of hiding. And in my mind I'm like "this one na stark Muslim" See name! It conjures some Jihadist who fights Allah's holy wars. One to be feared at that. When I first saw the moniker mention me, I could feel a bit of "huh what is this one going to say to me kwanu" And then as I read your discourse, it dawned on me I was wrong, utterly wrong. ![]() Soooo, pray tell, what's the story behind the sobriquet? |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Nobody: 9:39pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Mujtahida: Yes, I am familiar with egregores. I would also add that people do not have to actually meet in order to meditate together. A specific time can be appointed and a specific issue can be meditated upon by groups of people distanced apart. |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MizMyColi(f): 9:41pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Mujtahida: Cool @family. What's SO? Egregores? Yes, I have.. I'm coming, I will try to explain what I learned in a bit. |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 9:49pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Mujtahida:And when you pray, do not babble on like pagans, for they think that by their many words they will be heard. - Matthew 6:7 I am not holding brief for Christians however it has to be said, that what was practiced in the ancient world which is glossalia did predate the occurrence of speaking in tongues that happened on Pentecost day Christians did not only hijack glossalia but took ownership of it, to pass as speaking in tongues The sad thing is, the one thing warned against, as seen in Matthew 6:7 above, is exactly just what Christians have taken a shine and delight to Mujtahida:Are you familiar with, ever heard or read about Wim Hof? |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 9:49pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Mujtahida: hopefulLandlord: ![]() hopefulLandlord describe the nouns God and whatever god(s) you somehow know about Just do it, to the best of your effort and as if your life depends on it. I don't want you to hold back. Muster all your strength, squeeze out every drop and drop ounce. I don't have a glass chin so be free to give me your best shot or jab. Whatever you've read, whatever you've experienced, whatever you've sensed whatever you've learned, whatever you know, whatever you've come to realise. This isn't a trick request. and I don't buy it is something difficult to do There are no rules, hence the departure from defining or definition Just tell me about the nouns; God and god(s) I'll like to see examples and or illustrations being part of your narrative. |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Mujtahida: 9:56pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
MizMyColi:Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha. You recall how the anal lady(pun intended) analysed me using my moniker accusing me of attacking Christians just after I quoted you. Well the name was given to me during my university days at the faculty of law in A. B. U Zaria. We had to take elective courses in Islamic law and I was quite good then in Islamic law. So my colleagues both Muslims and Christians began calling me mujtahida which means someone who is an authority in Islamic law. Some call me mujta, some tahida even till date. Thing though was that in the University I was a fervent Christian. I only left Christianity two years ago. So coming to nairaland it was only natural that I use that name. So I laugh when Christians read my moniker and dismiss me. I wasn't just a church goer. I read about the Faith. But ultimately what made me leave Christianity is the that I realised I was worshiping a fiction, a god who doesn't talk. I discovered that the god who presides over Christianity is a Non - communicative God as in a wordless God different from the one who is highly expressive in the bible, talking to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Zerubabel etc(even the one in the bible is a fiction). I said to myself 'I cannot go on worshipping a God who is mute-thats an idol'. What made it pressing was that I really needed help, spiritual help on an issue in my life. I prayed and prayed and prayed for up to six years. No answer. Just silence. The silence confused and broke me. One day as I knelt down to pray I just said heck not again. But truth is even in my days of fervency Christianity never tuned into my soul(and yes I was born again, baptised with water and the holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues). It always felt unnatural to me. And I still think Christianity is the most unnatural of all the religions. 1 Like |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Mujtahida: 10:00pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
Sarassin:Don't you think that egregores could be the reason for the miracles that characterised early Christianity as in the group mind was so charged with energy that miracles easily happened. Aren't egregores the reason for the revivals that broke out time after time from the 17th century to the early part of the 20th century? Isn't this group mind responsible for that sense of presence (it's even lacking in the churches today where the sense of fellowship is very weak) people feel in church and ascribe to the Holy Spirit? |
Re: Ducking Out Of Church by Mujtahida: 10:12pm On Jan 20, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:? Hmmm quite some perspective on speaking in tongues. Nah, never heard of him. That's the beauty of nairaland. I have googled about him and will read about him now |
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