I was on Facebook just now, arguing with some friends on this very topic, and thought to(try get intelligent views) on nl.


As much as I have taken different stances, I'm a patriot. Igbo's, Fulani's, Hausas, Tiv's, Ijaw's etc, live n let live.



But, with the uproar, concerning the recent fg move, to create colonies, for herdsmen in states, I state my personal views.


1.The Igbo's, have been more colonialists, than anything d herdsmen can come up with.

2. They, igbos, take up or try to take up the entire political climate, biz investments(engine parts, supermarkets, commercial constructions) of regions they colonize, yet no one has created any uproar, maybe just d oba of Lagos sha(with his lagoon comment).


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1. The Fulani herdsmen, since after d Dan Fodio wars, have generally lived on d outskirts of even rural communities. With no access to education, healthcare, clean water(forget pipeborne), govt services(security{police}) etc.

2. Majority of the skirmishes, BTW d herdsmen n farmers, has to do with bringing cattle to feed on farmlands. Not, actually, trying to takeover d farm n its surrounding lands, its political structures, the entire biz investments, unlike my Igbo brothers.



The govt owes it to the herdsmen, to provide basic amenities n infrastructures(land, rails, road networks etc), the same way states n fg, have been providing for local n foriegn big businesses, thinking of making huge investments, in or nation.
Cattle rearing is big business!



Pls, I believe, any tribe has a right to locate himself n his biz, in any location, within our sovereignty n this shouldn't be seen as a Igbo bashing thread(though, my Igbo brothers, can be obnoxious).

I dare anyone, to mention any state in Nigeria, where d Igbo's, don't have a strong presence, in the biz climate? So, much so, they are one of the only tribe to be rewarded, with political posts, outside its own region(Kaduna, Lagos etc)

Do you know how much of tax this business men and woman pay daily, weekly, monthly, etc. Which from this money most of what you see today are build.

And tell me how much this cattle rearer or what ever you call them contribut to economic of Nigeria.

Even the very farm produce that's about fetching us some cash are daily been destroy by the same people.

ashjay001:
I dare anyone, to mention any state in Nigeria, where d Igbo's, don't have a strong presence, in the biz climate? So, much so, they are one of the only tribe to be rewarded, with political posts, outside its own region(Kaduna, Lagos etc)

Such thing as what you mention can only be giving to you when you are contributing positivly for the development of your host state.

This op (ashjay001) is so daft. So you can't see a difference between the two? someone who came to your place, acquired or rented a property and engaged in legitimate business and when he started making gains, he acquires a land and builds a home for himself and his family all these duly paid for and legitimately acquired, he does not kill anybody and forcefully take possession of anything. This is the person you're comparing with people who will come to your place and brazenly take over or destroy your land and properties and if you dare complain, you are killed, maimed and raped in your own land!!
Can u for once make use of the brain God gave you and stop making stupid posts on nairaland?

ashjay001:
I dare anyone, to mention any state in Nigeria, where d Igbo's, don't have a strong presence, in the biz climate? So, much so, they are one of the only tribe to be rewarded, with political posts, outside its own region(Kaduna, Lagos etc)

You're just being an ignoramus. All this things u said the igbos got or are rewarded with, did they get them legally or did they come in and forcefully take it with impunity?
If you truthfully answer this questions, then you will know that there is absolutely no similarity between what the Igbo's are doing and that of the Fulani. The Igbo's go and invest in a place and become part of the community, living and doing their businesses according to the law, the Fulani come into a place and destroy their host community killing as many as they lay hands on and occupy the place. Has the Igbo ever attacked any of their host communities, killing and destroying their properties and forcefully take over their land? They don't!!!! They live in peace with you and join in the development of the community

Another foolish afonja head slamming vulture here to pay homage to his Hausa Fulani masters.

There is nothing like igbo colony. Igbos like every other business position their business in one particular location like every other company. Their business does not succeed on the destruction of another man's business like the fulanis.

For the fulani business to succeed, they have to destroy someone's farm business, and that is wrong.

There is nothing special about cattle business and I see no reason government should give them special attention. Once in a while government will ban the importation of an item, the igbos that import that item are left to adjust without government intervention.

If people ban open grazing in a state, it is left for the fulani to move to where it is acceptable or find a way to adjust or go into another business.

elgramz:

You're just being an ignoramus. All this things u said the igbos got or are rewarded with, did they get them legally or did they come in and forcefully take it with impunity?
If you truthfully answer this questions, then you will know that there is absolutely no similarity between what the Igbo's are doing and that of the Fulani. The Igbo's go and invest in a place and become part of the community, living and doing their businesses according to the law, the Fulani come into a place and destroy their host community killing as many as they lay hands on and occupy the place. Has the Igbo ever attacked any of their host communities, killing and destroying their properties and forcefully take over their land? They don't!!!! They live in peace with you and join in the development of the community

U n coluka, are probably d daft ones here! The Fulani take, temporary residence. They actually take permission from d village head, for temporary lodgings.


What brings abt d killings are reprisal attacks for farm invasions, carried out by cattle. Fulani doesn't take over any land!


A lot of u, are quite ignorant, about d relationship btw d farmers n d herdsmen. U'll just sprout uninformed opinions!

coluka:
This op (ashjay001) is so daft. So you can't see a difference between the two? someone who came to your place, acquired or rented a property and engaged in legitimate business and when he started making gains, he acquires a land and builds a home for himself and his family all these duly paid for and legitimately acquired, he does not kill anybody and forcefully take possession of anything.

This is the person you're comparing with people who will come to your place and brazenly take over or destroy your land and properties and if you dare complain, you are killed, maimed and raped in your own land!!

Can u for once make use of the brain God gave you and stop making stupid posts on nairaland?

ashjay001 is reasoning like one of these entities in the photograph below ===>

imhotep:

ashjay001 is reasoning like one of these entities in the photograph below ===>

See those specimens, with their majestic horns



I trust my unreasonable, educated illiterate brothers, to masturbate all over d thread, with ur victim mentality!



I'm yet to hear anyone complain abt herdsmen, claiming ownership of their lands, post-independence!

Its only my igbo neighbours, that claim to be developers of other regions n as such have unalienable rights!

ashjay001:




See those specimens, with their majestic horns



I trust my unreasonable, educated illiterate brothers, to masturbate all over d thread, with ur victim mentality!



I'm yet to hear anyone complain abt herdsmen, claiming ownership of their lands, post-independence!

Its only my igbo neighbours, that claim to be developers of other regions n as such have unalienable rights!

You are recycling this gibberish because your village has not been invaded and genocided. abi

stevespack:
Do you know how much of tax this business men and woman pay daily, weekly, monthly, etc. Which from this money most of what you see today are build.

And tell me how much this cattle rearer or what ever you call them contribut to economic of Nigeria.

Even the very farm produce that's about fetching us some cash are daily been destroy by the same people.

I don't know. How much tax do they pay daily, weekly, monthly and yearly?

but the Igbos no dey kill people like the Fulani's.

mekaboy:
There is nothing like igbo colony. Igbos like every other business position their business in one particular location like every other company. Their business does not succeed on the destruction of another man's business like the fulanis.

For the fulani business to succeed, they have to destroy someone's farm business, and that is wrong.

There is nothing special about cattle business and I see no reason government should give them special attention. Once in a while government will ban the importation of an item, the igbos that import that item are left to adjust without government intervention.

If people ban open grazing in a state, it is left for the fulani to move to where it is acceptable or find a way to adjust or go into another business.

Thanks, for trying to be sane, in d midst of all these madness



The kind of biz d herdsmen are involved in, requires a large landmass, certainly unaffordable to d average herder. It behoves govt to provide it.


Nomads have been a part of d fabric of this nation n can't be wished away.


There were grazing reserves n cattle paths n as some have said, rural n urban dwellers, have been encroaching upon these. That, there, is d cause of d conflicts!


Dairy n beef, are billion dollar investments. Nothing works in our country, so, why are pple angry, d herdsmen haven't branched into ranching!

ashjay001:


The kind of biz d herdsmen are involved in, requires a large landmass, certainly unaffordable to d average herder. It behoves govt to provide it.

Will the govt also provide free land for those that produce pigs, chicken, turkey, yam, cassava, cocoa, catfish, rice, beans, goats, sheep, guinea fowl, etc etc etc.

Your level of non-reasoning will lead you to the Libyan slave market, in chains.

imhotep:

You are recycling this gibberish because your village has not been invaded and genocided. abi

U are writing gibberish



Herdsmen attack, is a different ballgame, from taking over! They attack(mostly reprisals to perceived wrongs) n disperse, unlike some, that buy large swarths of ur community, then turn round to insult ur generosity n then claim superiority over u

ashjay001:


Herdsmen attack, is a different ballgame, from taking over! They attack(mostly reprisals to perceived wrongs) n disperse, unlike some, that buy large swarths of ur community, then turn round to insult ur generosity n then claim superiority over u

Did anyone force you to sell your community land to anybody ?

imhotep:

Will the govt also provide free land for those that produce pigs, chicken, turkey, yam, cassava, cocoa, catfish, rice, beans, goats, sheep, guinea fowl, etc etc etc.

Your level of non-reasoning will lead you to the Libyan slave market, in chains.

I remember d kwara state govt, inviting d Zimbabwe farmers, with offers of free land n basic amenities. No uproar, since they're oyinbo ba

imhotep:

Did anyone force you to sell your community land to anybody ?

And, is govt taking over our community lands, without consultations n compensations!?

Op, your arguments is just another manipulative means by some morons to justify the senseless killings by your Fulani brothers. Igbo people pay rents to their host communities. Igbo business men and women bring to their hosts' door steps their needs in exchange for money.
The same can not be said of your Fulani people, who go about brandishing various brands of dangerious weapons. Their main aim is to take over their host lands and to enthrone Islam and caliphates.
No matter the amount of wealth made by an igbo man in your lands, igbo land remains HOME to him. We bring to you your various needs in exchange for money.

MasterKim:

I don't know. How much tax do they pay daily, weekly, monthly and yearly?

Exactly what u suppose to find out before opening topic you know nothing of.

Palm plantations failed.

Rubber plantations failed.

Cocoa plantations failed.

Groundnut pyramids disappeared.

U'll kept quiet, no complaints. But, u're all now angry, d herdsmen have not branched into ranching! Can u'll reset ur brains?

ashjay001:



And, is govt taking over our community lands, without consultations n compensations!?

Those communities REJECT so-called cattle colonies.
Its not by force to sell land.
Stop land-grabbing and manifesting GREED in the name of sufferstication.

ashjay001:
Palm plantations failed.

Rubber plantations failed.

Cocoa plantations failed.

Groundnut pyramids disappeared.

U'll kept quiet, no complaints. But, u're all now angry, d herdsmen have not branched into ranching! Can u'll reset ur brains?

You are just a sai babarian out to grab people's ancestral land.

ashjay001:





I remember d kwara state govt, inviting d Zimbabwe farmers, with offers of free land n basic amenities. No uproar, since they're oyinbo ba

Zimbabwe farmers did not go murdering Kwara villagers and claiming human rights

stevespack:
Exactly what u suppose to find out before opening topic you know nothing of.

See how low your reasoning is?
You asked if we know something and you can't explain what you claim you know
Typical okoro, drawing stats from the anus

Paying tax with the useless ugwu and fake drugs abi

MasterKim:

See how low your reasoning is?
You asked if we know something and you can't explain what you claim you know
Typical okoro, drawing stats from the anus

Paying tax with the useless ugwu and fake drugs abi

stop using cattle rearing as an excuse to grab land in other peoples villages

op drunk on cow dung.. how can u compare ibos with Fulani's.. hv ibos forcefully taken any body's business or community? why shld fg sponsor cattle colonies 4 d Fulani, there are a thousand and one cattle rearers across d nation not of Fulani origin, did u ever hear dem kill people in bid to feed dia cattles?

ashjay001:
Palm plantations failed.

Rubber plantations failed.

Cocoa plantations failed.

Groundnut pyramids disappeared.

U'll kept quiet, no complaints. But, u're all now angry, d herdsmen have not branched into ranching! Can u'll reset ur brains?

buhari's smelly anus fall on ur senses

imhotep:

Zimbabwe farmers did not go murdering Kwara villagers and claiming human rights

Why should they They were given power, access roads, govt allocated land, access to financing etc


Ordinary land, wet govt wan give herdsmen, u're all complaining abt, u're still complaining!

imhotep:

Those communities REJECT so-called cattle colonies.
Its not by force to sell land.
Stop land-grabbing and manifesting GREED in the name of sufferstication.

Land grabbing n greed, remind of just one tribe


Fulani, don't do land grab. Since some states have been driving them out, we're yet to hear of them refusing!