May God help all of us because it seems ppl become blinded by darkness every single day. So wait o, wat is my business if my pastor is driving a range? Wats my business if he's eating the money I'm giving for the work ofGod? If we check fully all those ppl claiming to be Christians here on NL but supporting Freeze are hypocrites!!! But they have not realized it yet, how can you open your mouth to judge the Man OF God. Who made you a Judge You are trying to remove specks from ppl's eyes when u have logs in your eyes Ok now, tithe u nor pay, firstfruit u nor pay, ur parents must be living in a mansion right now Cs if they are not, u are the bigger FOOL.

MrMcJay:


If you have nothing sensible to say, please keep quiet. God used a donkey to correct Balaam and used a Raven to feed Elijah when he ran away from Jezebel. He also used a fish for Jonah. You people won't read your Bible well and come online to be disgracing yourself and cursing those who don't agree with your folly.

Freeze may be foolish but he sure is that foolish thing that God uses to confound the wise.

I guess God chose a man who believes DAT d part way to heaven is love and not Christ.
Do u knw dat he recently applauded UniBen for trying to shutdown internal campus fellowships.
U HV d right to believe whateva tin u like,BT pls for d love of God don't b d sheeple of freeze.

nicemuyoo:
They survive on basic necessities, Paul said he has gone with out food, shelter, proper clothings, in danger of robbery, death, etc a lot of times. This people never had ay luxury, they lived solely for God and finally shed their OWN BLOOD for the sake of Gospel and you are here trying to justify greedy luxurious lifestyle of a pastor!!

These pastors have gone without food and all those other things you have mentioned. Not everything was recorded in the Bible so don't pretend to know what you don't know. It is your type that will identify the level of Christianity of a fellow by how poor he is.

So many things you don't know about the church but you feel you have authority to speak on. For the record, if they were to write on everything that happened, as it happened daily, the Bible will be much bigger than this.

It takes special grace and understanding to be able to sell your property and give everything to the church. This simply shows they have been giving before, so it wasn't something strange or new.

Nzemarcilinus:


Mr Man, Does God tell u he needs our money? Abi he tell u he dey hungry
Did he also reveal to u that our riches are in heaven and the pastors riches are here on earth?
Daddy Freeze making noise on Fulani killing when the noise you and I has made yield no fruit....
Brother..... I have never pay tithe in my life and God has been wonderful to me and my family......
Believe me, our money or tithe does not guarantee us heaven...

My take.

I can see you are fully engulfed in Atheism
Ten percent of your earnings belongs to God, whether you know what it is used for, its none of your business as long as you've done your part
Don't quote me if you have nothing important to say

PrecisionFx:


God didn't say u should give him 10% of ur salary.

Gerrarahere!

PrecisionFx:


God didn't say u should give him 10% of ur salary.

Gerrarahere!

When you say giving to the church do you mean the people as in congregation and not to an establishment church of today they are two different things please.
The free will giving in the bible is talking about is giving to the body of believers and this resources were used to edit and see to the welfare of the people. Everybody is taken care off equally including the elders. Not someone building a kingdom or wealth for his/her self. Not merchandising the gospel of salvation.

eph12:

These pastors have gone without food and all those other things you have mentioned. Not everything was recorded in the Bible so don't pretend to know what you don't know. It is your type that will identify the level of Christianity of a fellow by how poor he is.

So many things you don't know about the church but you feel you have authority to speak on. For the record, if they were to write on everything that happened, as it happened daily, the Bible will be much bigger than this.

It takes special grace and understanding to be able to sell your property and give everything to the church. This simply shows they have been giving before, so it wasn't something strange or new.

nicemuyoo:

When you say giving to the church do you mean the people as in congregation and not to an establishment church of today they are two different things please.
The free will giving in the bible is talking about is giving to the body of believers and this resources were used to edit and see to the welfare of the people. Everybody is taken care off equally including the elders. Not someone building a kingdom or wealth for his/her self. Not merchandising the gospel of salvation.

Churches have the governing council. They make decisions on behalf of the church just like the apostles and appointed leaders made the decisions then.

Apostles didn't stay one place. They planted churches and moved on immediately but they had anointed people to oversee the activities of the church. Those are the pastors you see now.

Where did you see everybody was taken care of equally and all their needs met in the Bible. You sure you're not trying to draw your own conclusion for argument sake? You think after they shared those properties and all they had no needs to meet again or it was a continuous thing?

Cletus77:

Gerrarahere!

PrecisionFx:

Wats funny

Cletus77:

Wats funny

Does it matter?

eph12:

Churches have the governing council. They make decisions on behalf of the church just like the apostles and appointed leaders made the decisions then.

Apostles didn't stay one place. They planted churches and moved on immediately but they had anointed people to oversee the activities of the church. Those are the pastors you see now.

Where did you see everybody was taken care of equally and all their needs met in the Bible. You sure you're not trying to draw your own conclusion for argument sake? You think after they shared those properties and all they had no needs to meet again or it was a continuous thing?

The church today is business empire. Nothing more to add.

PrecisionFx:
The church today is business empire. Nothing more to add.

Not all churches. Nothing more to add

Most of these successful pastors have their own businesses, doing very well.

So you are saying people where not cared for equally in acts . You are saying Peter, James, Paul were living in luxury at church expense while the poor in congregation are lacking!
You are accusing the saints Paul, Peter, James, John of being guilty of what is going in on the the church of today!
The governing council of the church during Peter, jamesetc time was a voluntary sacrificial role not a paid pastor job or career like you have today!
Most of donations paul collected asking people to set aside offerings were for the saints in a different location that where in need!!
Judgement would start in the house of God.

eph12:

Churches have the governing council. They make decisions on behalf of the church just like the apostles and appointed leaders made the decisions then.

Apostles didn't stay one place. They planted churches and moved on immediately but they had anointed people to oversee the activities of the church. Those are the pastors you see now.

Where did you see everybody was taken care of equally and all their needs met in the Bible. You sure you're not trying to draw your own conclusion for argument sake? You think after they shared those properties and all they had no needs to meet again or it was a continuous thing?

nicemuyoo:
So you are saying people where not cared for equally in acts . You are saying Peter, James, Paul were living in luxury at church expense while the poor in congregation are lacking!
You are accusing the saints Paul, Peter, James, John of being guilty of what is going in on the the church of today!
The governing council of the church during Peter, jamesetc time was a voluntary sacrificial role not a paid pastor job or career like you have today!
Most of donations paul collected asking people to set aside offerings were for the saints in a different location that where in need!!
Judgement would start in the house of God.

I am not accusing anybody of anything. I am only pointing out your assumptions in your arguments, which may be true or not but no facts to back up your claim. We have to be fair in our critics against leaders of churches or even any organisation. Some pastors don't even collect salaries from their churches anymore.

When Jesus said "the poor you will always have with you", he was talking about how there will always be poor ones. There will always be those that instead of going to work hard, applying principles in their choice of careers or businesses, they will be waiting for churches to meet their needs. And when they are not met, they find means to accuse the churches. There will always be poors ones. As we speak millions are being catered for, whether through orphanages, prisons, mental hospitals, maternity homes, schools, but the focus is on the private jet that you don't know how they came about. Hundreds of thousands are employed by churches and doing very well but it is the pastors that are collecting salaries.

Know this now that there is no evidence to prove that the apostles and the leaders chosen to continue the growth of the churches then were not taken care of by the churches. You can't assume that all the needs of the poor were taken care of by the apostles. It is not possible. There are some nowadays that are just too lazy to work, or make use of the brain God has given them. They don't want to start small, ignoring humble beginnings. But they want the church to solve their needs. Please don't ignore facts and reasoning for gossips, be open minded.

1 Peter 5King James Version (KJV)

5 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre(money), but of a ready mind;

3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.

4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.


But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them.


Folks JESUS HIMSELF TAUGHT PETER AND OTHERS THAT BEING A PASTOR, ELDER, BISHOP IS A CALL TO SACRIFICIAL SERVICE AND EVERYBODY IN THE CHURCH ARE ALL EQUAL, THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS JESUS AND THE HEAD OF JESUS IS GOD. THE PASTOR/BISHOP IS NOT THE HEAD OF ANY MAN. pastor is a call to service and your reward is honour and respect and a crown of glory when He returns,
Peter specifically warn that money/ wealth should not be a reward for call to service as a pastor or elder etc. Or exercising authority over people as you are not their head. The head of everyman is Christ.
JESUS AS WARNED YOU HIMSELF AND THROUGH PETER, PAUL ETC HOPE YOU WOULD BE READY WITH YOUR VALID EXCUSES ON THE LAST DAY!!

eph12:

Churches have the governing council. They make decisions on behalf of the church just like the apostles and appointed leaders made the decisions then.

Apostles didn't stay one place. They planted churches and moved on immediately but they had anointed people to oversee the activities of the church. Those are the pastors you see now.
Where did you see everybody was taken care of equally and all their needs met in the Bible. You sure you're not trying to draw your own conclusion for argument sake? You think after they shared those properties and all they had no needs to meet again or it was a continuous thing?

When Jesus said you would always have the poor among you there was a reason for that statement!!
1.he was replying Judas who was in charge of keeping money, but was always stealing from the fund kept in his care. So he never really care about the poor he was after getting more money to steal which Jesus was aware of.
He was rebuked for his hypocrisy, greed and stealing.
2. That act the woman carried out was to FUFIL scriptures and prophecy preparing Him for his death .it was predestined to happened and it was a one off incident never repeated again.

eph12:

I am not accusing anybody of anything. I am only pointing out your assumptions in your arguments, which may be true or not but no facts to back up your claim. We have to be fair in our critics against leaders of churches or even any organisation. Some pastors don't even collect salaries from their churches anymore.

When Jesus said "the poor you will always have with you", he was talking about how there will always be poor ones. There will always be those that instead of going to work hard, applying principles in their choice of careers or businesses, they will be waiting for churches to meet their needs. And when they are not met, they find means to accuse the churches. There will always be poors ones. As we speak millions are being catered for, whether through orphanages, prisons, mental hospitals, maternity homes, schools, but the focus is on the private jet that you don't know how they came about. Hundreds of thousands are employed by churches and doing very well but it is the pastors that are collecting salaries.

Know this now that there is no evidence to prove that the apostles and the leaders chosen to continue the growth of the churches then were not taken care of by the churches. You can't assume that all the needs of the poor were taken care of by the apostles. It is not possible. There are some nowadays that are just too lazy to work, or make use of the brain God has given them. They don't want to start small, ignoring humble beginnings. But they want the church to solve their needs. Please don't ignore facts and reasoning for gossips, be open minded.

PrecisionFx:



Does it matter?

It matters o! Am my brother's keeper incase

nicemuyoo:
When Jesus said you would always have the poor among you there was a reason for that statement!!
1.he was replying Judas who was in charge of keeping money, but was always stealing from the fund kept in his care. So he never really care about the poor he was after getting more money to steal which Jesus was aware of.
He was rebuked for his hypocrisy, greed and stealing.
2. That act the woman carried out was to FUFIL scriptures and prophecy preparing Him for his death .it was predestined to happened and it was a one off incident never repeated again.

You got this revelation how?

eph12:

Not all churches. Nothing more to add

Most of these successful pastors have their own businesses, doing very well.

Ah, Newcomer.
Oyedepo, Father Ede, Adeboye, Father Mbaka, Pastor Oyakhilome, David Ogbueli n other successful pastor's made their money from donation from church members.......Can u list the men of God that made money from their businesses

Cletus77:

It matters o! Am my brother's keeper incase

Keeping? ...

PrecisionFx:



Ah, Newcomer.
Oyedepo, Father Ede, Adeboye, Father Mbaka, Pastor Oyakhilome, David Ogbueli n other successful pastor's made their money from donation from church members.......Can u list the men of God that made money from their businesses

those ones that made those donations that changed their lives are not your common average salary earner. They are not the ones you threaten with paying of tithes or whatever. They are not the struggling ones, they drop millions as a seed to the pastors and don't look back. The #50 #50 offering you drop is not even enough to provide electricity every service day or run the administrative offices not to talk of making a pastor rich.

D1official:

I guess God chose a man who believes DAT d part way to heaven is love and not Christ.
Do u knw dat he recently applauded UniBen for trying to shutdown internal campus fellowships.
U HV d right to believe whateva tin u like,BT pls for d love of God don't b d sheeple of freeze.

A university campus is a place for schooling n not place of worship.

Religion have made u people so stupid to the extent that u don't have the ability the reason like an educated person. A church shouldn't be inside school campus, its a space for learning n reading, not a place to clap, sing and use all sorts of musical instruments to disturb serious students.

If u wan to go to church, go to the church n allow others make use of libraries, labs, classes for their studies.

eph12:

those ones that made those donations that changed their lives are not your common average salary earner. They are not the ones you threaten with paying of tithes or whatever. They are not the struggling ones, they drop millions as a seed to the pastors and don't look back. The #50 #50 offering you drop is not even enough to provide electricity every service day or run the administrative offices not to talk of making a pastor rich.

.

I am far richer than u can ever imagine to achieve in a lifetime.


Back to the topic, The number of people that give millions in churches are extremely few, they make up less than 0.5 percent of the church. The real money comes from tithes n offerings of the other millions of church members who u consider as 50 naira givers.

My points are very clear, the rich men of God make teir money from church donations. A rich man didn't provide oyedepo with 40 MILLION dollars to buy a gulfstream 550. That's over 10 billion naira.




List the men of God that made their wealth from their personal businesses or hold ur peace.

Cletus77:

I can see you are fully engulfed in Atheism
Ten percent of your earnings belongs to God, whether you know what it is used for, its none of your business as long as you've done your part
Don't quote me if you have nothing important to say

Do u even know what Atheism is? Stop throwing words around the whole place.

Paying tithe doesn't make anyone rich, Hindus, Panatheists, judaists, Atheists, Animists, Muslims, etc still get extremely rich......They didn't pay tithe in ur church.

10% of the earnings of Christians belongs to the widows, orphans, fatherless, levites, Foreigners who have no land, Etc n the bible is very clear on that. Start reading ur bible, its not too late

eph12:

I am not accusing anybody of anything. I am only pointing out your assumptions in your arguments, which may be true or not but no facts to back up your claim. We have to be fair in our critics against leaders of churches or even any organisation. Some pastors don't even collect salaries from their churches anymore.

When Jesus said "the poor you will always have with you", he was talking about how there will always be poor ones. There will always be those that instead of going to work hard, applying principles in their choice of careers or businesses, they will be waiting for churches to meet their needs. And when they are not met, they find means to accuse the churches. There will always be poors ones. As we speak millions are being catered for, whether through orphanages, prisons, mental hospitals, maternity homes, schools, but the focus is on the private jet that you don't know how they came about. Hundreds of thousands are employed by churches and doing very well but it is the pastors that are collecting salaries.

Know this now that there is no evidence to prove that the apostles and the leaders chosen to continue the growth of the churches then were not taken care of by the churches. You can't assume that all the needs of the poor were taken care of by the apostles. It is not possible. There are some nowadays that are just too lazy to work, or make use of the brain God has given them. They don't want to start small, ignoring humble beginnings. But they want the church to solve their needs. Please don't ignore facts and reasoning for gossips, be open minded.

The number 1 duty of the church is to take care of the poor among them. Jesus did so until he died. Stop defending thieves.

PrecisionFx:




The number 1 duty of the church is to take care of the poor among them. Jesus did so until he died. Stop defending thieves.

You could even be a thief who knows

John 12:6
This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
Judas sin of theft an greed for money finally found him out he betrayed Jesus for money.

Matt 26:11-12
11 The poor you will always have with you,but you will not always have me. 

12 When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial. 

eph12:

You got this revelation how?

PrecisionFx:


Do u even know what Atheism is? Stop throwing words around the whole place.

Paying tithe doesn't make anyone rich, Hindus, Panatheists, judaists, Atheists, Animists, Muslims, etc still get extremely rich......They didn't pay tithe in ur church.

10% of the earnings of Christians belongs to the widows, orphans, fatherless, levites, Foreigners who have no land, Etc n the bible is very clear on that. Start reading ur bible, its not too late

You are confusing yourself! Your last statement made sense, yeah tithings are also used for DAT but don't forget that if you pay tithes, it passes through the church to those you mentioned.
Yes it doesn't make you rich but it can protect the little you've got! If other religions don't pay tithes and it works out for them doesn't means Christians who are aware of the repercussion should try it.
Dont be deceived GOD cannot be fooled!

PrecisionFx:

Keeping? ...

I know you understand

Cletus77:

You are confusing yourself! Your last statement made sense, yeah tithings are also used for DAT but don't forget that if you pay tithes, it passes through the church to those you mentioned.
Yes it doesn't make you rich but it can protect the little you've got! If other religions don't pay tithes and it works out for them doesn't means Christians who are aware of the repercussion should try it.
Dont be deceived GOD cannot be fooled!

""don't forget that if you pay tithes, it passes through the church to those you mentioned""


This is not God's instruction....

Sense is free, Use it.

eph12:

You could even be a thief who knows

Just stop supporting us....