The answer to your question is simple. Jesus could not die for anyone’s sins, whether they were committed intentionally or accidentally. To begin with, the Jewish people were strictly prohibited from offering human sacrifices under any circumstances. There is not one place throughout the entire corpus of the Jewish Scriptures where human sacrifices are condoned. In fact, over and over again, the Bible warns the Jewish people that it is a grave sin to bring a human being as a sacrifice. In the Book of Leviticus, only distinct species of animals are permitted for use in blood sacrifices.

The ancient pagan religions promoted the same idea about atonement as Christendom continues to preach today (e.g. Molech). They would joyfully offer a child into the fires of their sacrificial offering in order to expiate their sins and appease the gods. Why would a child sacrifice be used in this pagan ritual rather than an adult? The reason is that a child is a moving portrait of one who is innocent of sin. A child, they reasoned, could not have committed iniquity and thus mirrored the animal sacrifice which also had to be unblemished. The Torah therefore condemned human sacrifices, and forewarned Jewish people of terrible consequences if this commandment were violated.

This message was conveyed at Mt. Moriah, where Abraham prepared to offer up his beloved son Isaac as a sacrifice. At that epic moment in history, as Abraham was ready to sacrifice Isaac, the Almighty admonished him that He did not desire human sacrifice, and directed Abraham to sacrifice the ram caught in the thicket instead. The Almighty’s directive – He only wanted animal sacrifices rather than human sacrifices – was immediately understood. This teaching has never departed from the mind and soul of the children of Israel.

Furthermore, the prophet Ezekiel warned the Jewish nation that a righteous man could not atone for the wins of the wicked. Wouldn’t we consider a father cruel if he punished an obedient child for the misdeeds of another? Only an unjust society would pardon its criminals while imprisoning the innocent. The prophet therefore warns that no innocent person can die for the sins of the wicked!

The soul that sins, it shall die! The son shall not bear for the sin of the father, nor the father bear for the sin of the son. The righteousness of the righteous person shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked person shall be upon him. 21As for the wicked man, if he should turn away from all his sins which he did, and safeguard all My decrees, and do justice and righteousness; he shall surely live. He will not die. 22All his transgressions which he committed will not be remembered against him. For the righteousness which he did, he shall live. 23Do I desire at all the death of the wicked man — the words of my Lord, God — is it not rather his return from his ways, that he might live?

(Ezekiel 18:20-23)

Moreover, if missionaries want to use Leviticus 17:11 to bolster their claim that blood sacrifices are indispensable for procuring an atonement, they must use all of the verse, not just a part of it. Leviticus 17:11 specifically says that the blood of the sacrifice must be placed “upon the altar to make atonement for your souls.” That is to say, Leviticus 17:11 explicitly declares that blood can only effect atonement if it is placed on the altar. Jesus’ blood, however, was never placed on the altar. If the Church is going to take the “blood” part of the verse literally, they must also take the “altar” part literally as well. Jesus’ blood was never sprinkled on the altar, and therefore his death could not provide atonement for anyone.

Finally, the prophets loudly declared to theJewish people that the contrite prayer of the penitent sinner replaces the sacrificial system. Therefore, atonement for unintentional sins today is expiated through devotional supplication to God, the Merciful One.

In fact, in the third chapter of Hosea, the prophet foretold with divine exactness that the nation of Israel would not have a sacrificial system during the last segment of Jewish history until the messianic age. Hosea declares,

…for the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the Lord their God and David their king. They shall fear the Lord and His goodness in the latter days.

(Hosea 3:4-5)

In the words of the Bible, this period of time would last for many days. Yet, despite the repeated proclamations of the Church that the crucifixion of Jesus serves as a sin sacrifice today, the words of Hosea were meticulously fulfilled, and we remain without an animal sacrificial until this day.

Given the spiritual magnitude of this remarkable prophecy, Hosea was compelled to reveal how the ecclesiastical Temple functions were it to be replaced. In essence, if the prophet is testifying that the nation of Israel will indeed be without a sacrificial system during their long exile until the messianic age, what are we to use instead? How are the Jewish people to atone for unintentional sin without a blood sacrifice during their bitter exile? What about all the animal sacrifices prescribed in the Book of Leviticus? Can the Jewish people get along without animal offerings? Missionaries claim they cannot.

The Bible disagrees.

For this reason, the teaching highlighted in Hosea 14:2-3 is crucial. In these two verses, Hosea reveals to his nation how they are to replace the sacrificial system during their protracted exile. The prophet declares that the Almighty wants us to “render for bulls the offering of our lips.” Prayer is to replace the sacrificial system. Hosea states,

Take words with you, and return to the Lord. Say to Him, “Take away all iniquity; receive us graciously, for we will render for bulls the offering of our lips.”

(Hosea 14:2-3)

The prophets never instruct the Jews to worship any crucified messiah or demigod; nor does Scripture suggest that an innocent man could die as an atonement for the sins of the wicked. Such a message is utterly antithetical to the teachings of the Jewish Scriptures. Rather, it is the prayers of the sinner that would become as bulls of the sin offerings.

King Solomon echoes this sentiment as well.

In I Kings 8:46-50, King Solomon delivers a startling prophetic message as he inaugurates the newly constructed first Temple. In his inauguration sermon, King Solomon forewarns that one day the Jewish people would be driven out of the land of Israel, and banished to the land of their enemies, near and far. During their exile, many would fervently desire to repent of their sins. King Solomon then declares that they are to face Jerusalem from their diaspora, confess their sins, “and God will hear their prayers in heaven, and forgive them for all their transgressions.”

If they sin against You, for there is no man who does not sin, and You will be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, and their captors will carry them away captive to the land of the enemy, far or near. And they shall bethink themselves 47in the land where they were carried captive, and repent, and make supplication to You in the land of their captors, saying,‘We have sinned, and have done perversely, we have committed wickedness.’ 48And they shall return to You with all their heart, and with all their soul, in the land of their enemies, who led them away captive, and pray to You toward their land, which You gave to their fathers, the city You have chosen, and the house which I have built for Your name. 49And You shall hear their prayer and their supplication in heaven, in Your dwelling place, and maintain their cause. 50And forgive Your people for what they have sinned against You, and all their transgressions that they have transgressed against You…

(I Kings 8:46-50)

There was no mention of a cross or a dead messiah in King Solomon’s prophetic message. Only the contrite and repentant prayer of the remorseful sinner can bring about a complete atonement. Although King Solomon’s timeless message stands out as a theological impossibility in Christian terms, it remains the warm, centrepiece of the God’s system of atonement throughout his long and bitter exile.

Best wishes for a happy Passover.

Sincerely yours,

Rabbi Tovia Singer

frosbel2:
The answer to your question is simple.
Jesus could not die for anyone’s sins, whether they were committed intentionally or accidentally.
To begin with, the Jewish people were strictly prohibited from offering human sacrifices under any circumstances.
There is not one place throughout the entire corpus of the Jewish Scriptures where human sacrifices are condoned.
In fact, over and over again, the Bible warns the Jewish people that it is a grave sin to bring a human being as a sacrifice.
In the Book of Leviticus, only distinct species of animals are permitted for use in blood sacrifices.
The ancient pagan religions promoted the same idea about atonement as Christendom continues to preach today (e.g. Molech).
They would joyfully offer a child into the fires of their sacrificial offering in order to expiate their sins and appease the gods.
Why would a child sacrifice be used in this pagan ritual rather than an adult?
The reason is that a child is a moving portrait of one who is innocent of sin. A child, they reasoned, could not have committed iniquity and thus mirrored the animal sacrifice which also had to be unblemished. The Torah therefore condemned human sacrifices, and forewarned Jewish people of terrible consequences if this commandment were violated.

This message was conveyed at Mt. Moriah, where Abraham prepared to offer up his beloved son Isaac as a sacrifice. At that epic moment in history, as Abraham was ready to sacrifice Isaac, the Almighty admonished him that He did not desire human sacrifice, and directed Abraham to sacrifice the ram caught in the thicket instead. The Almighty’s directive – He only wanted animal sacrifices rather than human sacrifices – was immediately understood. This teaching has never departed from the mind and soul of the children of Israel.

Furthermore, the prophet Ezekiel warned the Jewish nation that a righteous man could not atone for the wins of the wicked.
Wouldn’t we consider a father cruel if he punished an obedient child for the misdeeds of another? Only an unjust society would pardon its criminals while imprisoning the innocent. The prophet therefore warns that no innocent person can die for the sins of the wicked!

The soul that sins, it shall die! The son shall not bear for the sin of the father, nor the father bear for the sin of the son. The righteousness of the righteous person shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked person shall be upon him. 21As for the wicked man, if he should turn away from all his sins which he did, and safeguard all My decrees, and do justice and righteousness; he shall surely live. He will not die. 22All his transgressions which he committed will not be remembered against him. For the righteousness which he did, he shall live. 23Do I desire at all the death of the wicked man — the words of my Lord, God — is it not rather his return from his ways, that he might live?

(Ezekiel 18:20-23)

Moreover, if missionaries want to use Leviticus 17:11 to bolster their claim that blood sacrifices are indispensable for procuring an atonement, they must use all of the verse, not just a part of it. Leviticus 17:11 specifically says that the blood of the sacrifice must be placed “upon the altar to make atonement for your souls.” That is to say, Leviticus 17:11 explicitly declares that blood can only effect atonement if it is placed on the altar. Jesus’ blood, however, was never placed on the altar. If the Church is going to take the “blood” part of the verse literally, they must also take the “altar” part literally as well. Jesus’ blood was never sprinkled on the altar, and therefore his death could not provide atonement for anyone.

Finally, the prophets loudly declared to theJewish people that the contrite prayer of the penitent sinner replaces the sacrificial system. Therefore, atonement for unintentional sins today is expiated through devotional supplication to God, the Merciful One.

In fact, in the third chapter of Hosea, the prophet foretold with divine exactness that the nation of Israel would not have a sacrificial system during the last segment of Jewish history until the messianic age. Hosea declares,

…for the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the Lord their God and David their king. They shall fear the Lord and His goodness in the latter days.

(Hosea 3:4-5)

In the words of the Bible, this period of time would last for many days. Yet, despite the repeated proclamations of the Church that the crucifixion of Jesus serves as a sin sacrifice today, the words of Hosea were meticulously fulfilled, and we remain without an animal sacrificial until this day.

There is method in the madness

frosbel2:
Given the spiritual magnitude of this remarkable prophecy, Hosea was compelled to reveal how the ecclesiastical Temple functions were it to be replaced.
In essence, if the prophet is testifying that the nation of Israel will indeed be without a sacrificial system during their long exile until the messianic age, what are we to use instead?
How are the Jewish people to atone for unintentional sin without a blood sacrifice during their bitter exile?
What about all the animal sacrifices prescribed in the Book of Leviticus?
Can the Jewish people get along without animal offerings? Missionaries claim they cannot.

The Bible disagrees.

For this reason, the teaching highlighted in Hosea 14:2-3 is crucial. In these two verses, Hosea reveals to his nation how they are to replace the sacrificial system during their protracted exile.
The prophet declares that the Almighty wants us to “render for bulls the offering of our lips.” Prayer is to replace the sacrificial system. Hosea states,

Take words with you, and return to the Lord. Say to Him, “Take away all iniquity; receive us graciously, for we will render for bulls the offering of our lips.”

(Hosea 14:2-3)

The prophets never instruct the Jews to worship any crucified messiah or demigod; nor does Scripture suggest that an innocent man could die as an atonement for the sins of the wicked. Such a message is utterly antithetical to the teachings of the Jewish Scriptures.
Rather, it is the prayers of the sinner that would become as bulls of the sin offerings.

King Solomon echoes this sentiment as well.

In I Kings 8:46-50, King Solomon delivers a startling prophetic message as he inaugurates the newly constructed first Temple.
In his inauguration sermon, King Solomon forewarns that one day the Jewish people would be driven out of the land of Israel, and banished to the land of their enemies, near and far.
During their exile, many would fervently desire to repent of their sins.
King Solomon then declares that they are to face Jerusalem from their diaspora, confess their sins, “and God will hear their prayers in heaven, and forgive them for all their transgressions.”
If they sin against You, for there is no man who does not sin, and You will be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, and their captors will carry them away captive to the land of the enemy, far or near. And they shall bethink themselves
47in the land where they were carried captive, and repent, and make supplication to You in the land of their captors, saying,‘We have sinned, and have done perversely, we have committed wickedness.’
48And they shall return to You with all their heart, and with all their soul, in the land of their enemies, who led them away captive, and pray to You toward their land, which You gave to their fathers, the city You have chosen, and the house which I have built for Your name.
49And You shall hear their prayer and their supplication in heaven, in Your dwelling place, and maintain their cause.
50And forgive Your people for what they have sinned against You, and all their transgressions that they have transgressed against You…
(I Kings 8:46-50)

There was no mention of a cross or a dead messiah in King Solomon’s prophetic message.
Only the contrite and repentant prayer of the remorseful sinner can bring about a complete atonement.
Although King Solomon’s timeless message stands out as a theological impossibility in Christian terms, it remains the warm, centrepiece of the God’s system of atonement throughout his long and bitter exile.

Best wishes for a happy Passover.

Sincerely yours,

Rabbi Tovia Singer

The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said,
"Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
- John 1:29

Now Caiaphas was the one who had advised the Jews that it was expedient for one man to die on behalf of the people.
- John 18:14

Caiaphas did not say this on his own. Instead, as high priest that year, he was prophesying that Jesus would die for the nation,
- John 11:51

He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours alone, but also for the sins of the whole world.
- 1 John 2:2

And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent His Son to be the Savior of the world.
- 1 John 4:14

And love consists in this:
not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
- 1 John 4:10

MuttleyLaff:
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said,
"Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
- John 1:29

Now Caiaphas was the one who had advised the Jews that it was expedient for one man to die on behalf of the people.
- John 18:14

Caiaphas did not say this on his own. Instead, as high priest that year, he was prophesying that Jesus would die for the nation,
- John 11:51

He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours alone, but also for the sins of the whole world.
- 1 John 2:2

And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent His Son to be the Savior of the world.
- 1 John 4:14

And love consists in this:
not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
- 1 John 4:10

Not supported by the authentic Jewish scriptures.

The gospel of John was written by Gnostic 'believers' and while there are key moral lessons to be learnt, it is not aligned with the prophets and the law. If you disagree, kindly provide evidence from the Jewish scriptures to support the statements made by 'John'.

frosbel2:
Not supported by the authentic Jewish scriptures.

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frosbel2:
The gospel of John was written by Gnostic 'believers' and while there are key moral lessons to be learnt,
it is not aligned with the prophets and the law.
If you disagree, kindly provide evidence from the Jewish scriptures to support the statements made by 'John'.

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
- Isaiah 53:5

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
- 1 Peter 2:24

The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree
- Acts 5:30

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
- 1 Corinthians 15:3

MuttleyLaff:


But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
- Isaiah 53:5

The suffering servant is Israel, not the Christian Roman Jesus - . Besides Jesus had no offspring as this chapter portrays except of course you accept the apologist haphazard and deceptive exegesis of this scripture.

“But you, O Israel, My servant, Jacob, you whom I have chosen, offspring of Abraham who loved Me…and to whom I shall say: ‘You are my servant’ – I have chosen you and not rejected you.” (Isaiah 41:8-9)

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
- 1 Peter 2:24

Not supported by Jewish authentic scripture

The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree
- Acts 5:30

Not supported by Jewish authentic scripture

For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
- 1 Corinthians 15:3

Not supported by Jewish authentic scripture

frosbel2:
The suffering servant is Israel, not the Christian Roman Jesus - . Besides Jesus had no offspring as this chapter portrays except of course you accept the apologist haphazard and deceptive exegesis of this scripture.

“But you, O Israel, My servant, Jacob, you whom I have chosen, offspring of Abraham who loved Me…and to whom I shall say: ‘You are my servant’ – I have chosen you and not rejected you.” (Isaiah 41:8-9)

Not supported by Jewish authentic scripture

Not supported by Jewish authentic scripture

Not supported by Jewish authentic scripture

[img]https://s1/images/duckEyed.jpg[/img]
Give me this greatly revered list of Jewish authentic scripture then please

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s1/images/duckEyed.jpg[/img]
Give me this greatly revered list of Jewish authentic scripture then please

?

You quoted new testament scripture that supposedly is derived from the original Jewish scripture or the 'old testament' as you Christians like to call it.

I only ask that you connect me to those verses.

It seems like the Op attends the white garment church called "Jah" located at Imodi Ijasi after Ikorodu .

Op, you will leave this world one day, don't you think it will be too disastrous to discover you are going to hell ?

frosbel2:
?

You quoted new testament scripture that supposedly is derived from the original Jewish scripture
or the 'old testament' as you Christians like to call it.

I only ask that you connect me to those verses.

The suffering servant is Israel, I can give you that
but the suffering servant, as well and equally, is Jesus, that's the reason and why I quoted you Isaiah 53

Play the board, not player(s) please.
I will let christians defend themselves, so desist from any expectations I'll be holding brief for any

Now, reasking, give me this greatly revered list of Jewish authentic scripture then please

He died for my sins, that of my wife and child.


If He didn't die for yours no problem with that.


All man for himself.


You better repent and be converted.

I would have said that experience is the best teacher simply because I have experienced it, and I have also seen people who were in sin who also experienced the same thing which is freedom. But that does not make for good argument and reasoning

I'll simply point out the prophesy in the Old testament (Original Jewish text from the Bible).

Let's start from the beginning:

In Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. This clearly shows that the provision of Jesus to die for our sins was not an after thought. It was declared right from when man sinned. Also, Jesus is referred to as the "seed of the woman" showing that the conception will be by God and not through natural means.
In Isaiah 7: 14, "...Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel"
In Isaiah 9: 6, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." The Hebrew word for "is given" is nathan which means to give or to be used. This son is Jesus as "mighty God" and "The Prince of Peace" Jesus was born, He died and the governement will be upon His shoulder when he comes during his millennial reign.
In Micah 5:2 "But thou Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose going forth have been told from of old, from everlasting." The exact place where He will come from was also prophesied.

So many scriptures speak about his but the most explicit is
Isa 53:3-12

3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
KJV

Finally, the scriptures in the book of Hebrews tell us that the offering of animals foreshadowed the offering of Christ.

Heb 9:13-28
13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean.
14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!
15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance — now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
16 In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17 because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood. 19 When Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people. 20 He said, "This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep."
21 In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. 22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

23 It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
NIV
Have faith in Jesus and he will make the vilest sinner clean

frosbel2:


?

You quoted new testament scripture that supposedly is derived from the original Jewish scripture or the 'old testament' as you Christians like to call it.

I only ask that you connect me to those verses.

I hope that you accept Jesus.

frosbel2:
Given the spiritual magnitude of this remarkable prophecy, Hosea was compelled to reveal how the ecclesiastical Temple functions were it to be replaced. In essence, if the prophet is testifying that the nation of Israel will indeed be without a sacrificial system during their long exile until the messianic age, what are we to use instead? How are the Jewish people to atone for unintentional sin without a blood sacrifice during their bitter exile? What about all the animal sacrifices prescribed in the Book of Leviticus? Can the Jewish people get along without animal offerings? Missionaries claim they cannot.

The Bible disagrees.

For this reason, the teaching highlighted in Hosea 14:2-3 is crucial. In these two verses, Hosea reveals to his nation how they are to replace the sacrificial system during their protracted exile. The prophet declares that the Almighty wants us to “render for bulls the offering of our lips.” Prayer is to replace the sacrificial system. Hosea states,

Take words with you, and return to the Lord. Say to Him, “Take away all iniquity; receive us graciously, for we will render for bulls the offering of our lips.”

(Hosea 14:2-3)

The prophets never instruct the Jews to worship any crucified messiah or demigod; nor does Scripture suggest that an innocent man could die as an atonement for the sins of the wicked. Such a message is utterly antithetical to the teachings of the Jewish Scriptures. Rather, it is the prayers of the sinner that would become as bulls of the sin offerings.

King Solomon echoes this sentiment as well.

In I Kings 8:46-50, King Solomon delivers a startling prophetic message as he inaugurates the newly constructed first Temple. In his inauguration sermon, King Solomon forewarns that one day the Jewish people would be driven out of the land of Israel, and banished to the land of their enemies, near and far. During their exile, many would fervently desire to repent of their sins. King Solomon then declares that they are to face Jerusalem from their diaspora, confess their sins, “and God will hear their prayers in heaven, and forgive them for all their transgressions.”

If they sin against You, for there is no man who does not sin, and You will be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, and their captors will carry them away captive to the land of the enemy, far or near. And they shall bethink themselves 47in the land where they were carried captive, and repent, and make supplication to You in the land of their captors, saying,‘We have sinned, and have done perversely, we have committed wickedness.’ 48And they shall return to You with all their heart, and with all their soul, in the land of their enemies, who led them away captive, and pray to You toward their land, which You gave to their fathers, the city You have chosen, and the house which I have built for Your name. 49And You shall hear their prayer and their supplication in heaven, in Your dwelling place, and maintain their cause. 50And forgive Your people for what they have sinned against You, and all their transgressions that they have transgressed against You…

(I Kings 8:46-50)

There was no mention of a cross or a dead messiah in King Solomon’s prophetic message. Only the contrite and repentant prayer of the remorseful sinner can bring about a complete atonement. Although King Solomon’s timeless message stands out as a theological impossibility in Christian terms, it remains the warm, centrepiece of the God’s system of atonement throughout his long and bitter exile.

Best wishes for a happy Passover.

Sincerely yours,

Rabbi Tovia Singer

Give your life to JESUS.

MuttleyLaff:
The suffering servant is Israel, I can give you that
but the suffering servant, as well and equally, is Jesus, that's the reason and why I quoted you Isaiah 53

Play the board, not player(s) please.
I will let christians defend themselves, so desist from any expectations I'll be holding brief for any

Now, reasking, give me this greatly revered list of Jewish authentic scripture then please

But I am not a Christian?

INFOBIZ3:




Give your life to JESUS.

Sorry, my life does not belong to a MAN, it belongs to GOD!

jamael:


I hope that you accept Jesus.

I 'accepted' Jesus many years ago and came to realise that it was all a SHAM and SCAM -

MuttleyLaff:
There is method in the madness

Are you Dickdastardly reborn?

frosbel2:


I 'accepted' Jesus many years ago and came to realise that it was all a SHAM and SCAM -

See, the Bible said in Mathew 7:21 "Not everyone that saith unto me Lord Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my father which is in heaven".
There are many people in churches who God does not know. I hope your realization was not precipitated by the actions or in-actions of some so-called believers in the house of God. Don't allow anyone, no matter how highly placed, or seemingly holy to influence your view of God and His Christ. Let Him and Him alone be your standard.
God bless.

frosbel2:
But I am not a Christian?

Why dont you like answering back to being called a Christian
By the way, none of the disciples, early belivers called each other or addressed themselves Christians

KGBEAST:
Are you Dickdastardly reborn?

Why you asking?

If you claim, Jesus couldn't die for anyone's sin.... How then was it possible for Adam to bring his Descendants too into sin in the first place... He is one man just like Jesus was?

frosbel2:

Sorry, my life does not belong to a MAN, it belongs to GOD!

There is no other way to heaven besides JESUS

INFOBIZ3:



There is no other way to heaven besides JESUS

Bullshit.

prinzfavian:
If you claim, Jesus couldn't die for anyone's sin.... How then was it possible for Adam to bring his Descendants too into sin in the first place... He is one man just like Jesus was?

Everyman is responsible for his own Sin, we are not responsible for Adams sin.

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him" - Ezekiel 18:20

"Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin." - Deuteronomy 24:16

These verses completely blow your concept of Jesus dying for OUR SINS, completely out of the water.

frosbel2 for some who says in the whole scripture i assume you've read the whole scripture. hope you also read judges 11:29-40.

just saying

anyway God said man should not, God never said He would not. Man can't God can. expect your saying God isn't soveriegn, God is a man and Him sacrificing His own son is a crime. and against what law is God bound that makes it a crime.

MoR2:
frosbel2 for some who says in the whole scripture i assume you've read the whole scripture. hope you also read judges 11:29-40.

just saying

anyway God said man should not, God never said He would not. Man can't God can. expect your saying God isn't soveriegn, God is a man and Him sacrificing His own son is a crime. and against what law is God bound that makes it a crime.

He sacrificed his daughter out of his own volition, God never asked him to.

frosbel2:


Everyman is responsible for his own Sin, we are not responsible for Adams sin.

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him" - Ezekiel 18:20

"Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin." - Deuteronomy 24:16

These verses completely blow your concept of Jesus dying for OUR SINS, completely out of the water.

2nd commandment deut 5:8-10

you do the concept of fathers and sons refer to human beings. ezekiel 18 speaks about righteousness that is of man

psalm 24:5 speaks about righteousness from God that is of God.

Scripture says man's righteousness is like a filthy rag.

frosbel2:


He sacrificed his daughter out of his own volition, God never asked him to.

but God asked abraham to sacrifice his only son, why?

MoR2:
but God asked abraham to sacrifice his only son, why?

Did Abraham sacrifice his Son ?

MoR2:
2nd commandment deut 5:8-10

you do the concept of fathers and sons refer to human beings. ezekiel 18 speaks about righteousness that is of man

psalm 24:5 speaks about righteousness from God that is of God.

Scripture says man's righteousness is like a filthy rag.

Psalm 24:25 in no way corroborates your argument, it simply says that we receive the ability to live righteously from God.