Human ancestors left Africa far earlier than previously thought, discovery of prehistoric jawbone and tools suggest

Oldest known human fossil outside Africa discovered in Israel

salvation101:
good afternoon my good friend.. This topic is one of the few topics one cannot be dogmatic about as little is spoken about it in scriptures but it makes perfect sense...

There are two ways to follow according to the Bible. One is narrow and one is wide. You must make your choice because you cannot serve God while feeding on the table of idols and empty speeches. As a Christian, do you want to be guided by the Bible or have you sought out a better way(philosophy) for yourself?

salvation101:

1... The bible talked about the fall of lucifer. Lucifer wanted to ascend towards the heaven and be like God.. Dis shows dat heaven was created before lucifer.

I do not know the heaven that you are referring exactly. The one in the earth or the heavens above? The Bible didn't say that Lucifer wanted to ascend to the heaven to be God. You may show me that verse of the Bible. To my knowledge, the Bible said that he wants the glory given to God yeah and that he was in the heaven before being cast down not that he wanted to ascend there. Lucifer was referred to as one of the sons of God who was up there before God.

salvation101:

2... Scientists av proven through scientific methods dat some carcass of creatures are billions of years old (carbon dating)

Are angels flesh or spirit? If they are flesh would it be possible to fall from the heaven to land and shatter 'in the earth'? I mean what are the possibilities? Meteorites which are heaving substances shatter up there without falling into the earth. The force of gravity is just here on the earth. Can you scientifically prove to me how carcasses would fall from the heaven and the force that directed the carcasses to the earth? If they are spirits, how come the existence of literal carcasses? That is a food for thought for you.

salvation101:

3..God separated the darkness from light. Light he called day, darkness he called night. There is no mention of anywhere wen God corrected d sequence and made day shorter.. Ur submission of God using a thousand years as a day places a limitation on God's ability. Its like u are saying he couldn't av created those things in a single day nd had to use a thousand years for a day.. The bible said a thousand years is like a day before God, dats because God is eternal and time is only a minute fraction of eternity.

The fact is that we are trying to stick closely to the Bible's fact. There is no need to insinuate human ideology when the Bible already has the answers. No one is limiting the power of God because I said "could" which signifies probability and certitude(to a certain degree). Nonetheless, since we have a documented fact in the Bible, why should we still be in the darkness of doubt?
Saying "time is only a minute fraction of eternity", is also limiting because God's existence is not associated with time, he is timeless. The Bible says that man should be worried about time because every other thing remains.

salvation101:

4.. No one is saying man is a Pre-Adamic being. Adam is the first man according to scriptures.

If you believe the Bible's account of creation which tells you when that earth(the dry land claimed to contain the fossils) was formed, why would you have doubt in your mind when presented scientific findings that disagree with the Bible? Do you somehow feel that science knows more than God?

If one says that the UFO fossil existed in a pre-Adamic age, doesn't your spiritual mind offer you any insight that such a theory negates the word of God?

salvation101:
good afternoon my good friend..

It is good to read from you again. I get caught up with some other engagements lately.
I hope my answers quell your thirst for the truth.

Well maybe u missed my introduction on this thread but i would go over it again. Dis is a topic the Bible speaks very little about so i can't be Dogmatic about. The bible generally talks so little about the devil, demons, fallen angels and their origin or creation.. D bible also didn't tell us about the creation of angels. I didn't create dis thread to argue dogma but to learn from those who may av better understanding of the topic and perhaps dey could point out some scriptural references i may not be familiar with.

removetheturban:
There are two ways to follow according to the Bible. One is narrow and one is wide. You must make your choice because you cannot serve God while feeding on the table of idols and empty speeches. As a Christian, do you want to be guided by the Bible or have you sought out a better way(philosophy) for yourself? I do not know the heaven that you are referring exactly. The one in the earth or the heavens above? The Bible never said that Lucifer wanted to ascend to the heaven to be like God. You may show me that verse of the Bible because I have never seen that. To my knowledge, the Bible only said that he wants the glory given to God and that he was in the heaven before being cast down not that he wanted to ascend there. The Lucifer was referred to as one of the sons of God who was up there before God.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah 14:12‭-‬15

Are angels flesh or spirit? If they are flesh would it be possible to fall from the heaven to land and shatter 'in the earth'? I mean what are the possibilities? Meteorites which are heaving substances shatter up there without falling into the earth. The force of gravity is just here on the earth. Can you scientifically prove to me how carcasses would fall from the heaven and the force that directed the carcasses to the earth? If they are spirits, how come the existence of literal carcasses? That is a food for thought for you.

where was it ever mentioned dat angels fell and their carcasses fill the earth? Angels are spirit. Where do dinosaurs and all other extinct creatures of their time come from? Wat Pre-Adamic age proponents teaches is dat their was an age on earth that got destroyed probably joined the devil in d rebellion against God and was judged.. I find it logical just wanna see if its biblical

The fact is that we are trying to stick closely to the Bible's fact. There is no need to insinuate human ideology when the Bible already has the answers. No one is limiting the power of God because I said "could" which signifies probability and certitude(to a certain degree). Nonetheless, since we have a documented fact in the Bible, why should we still be in the darkness of doubt?
Saying "time is only a minute fraction of eternity", is also limiting because God's existence is not associated with time, he is timeless. The Bible says that man should be worried about time because every other thing remains. If you believe the Bible's account of creation which tells you when that earth(the dry land claimed to contain the fossils) was formed, why would you have doubt in your mind when presented scientific findings that disagree with the Bible? Do you somehow feel that science knows more than God?

dis submission of urs doesn't portray open-mindedness or readiness to learn. U assume u know everything in the scripture same way u said there is never a place the devil wanted to ascend to heaven. You don't seem to be familiar with the topic at hand, u can do further research so you av valid points to support or debunk it but just sitting back on a rotating Chair and saying we should dismiss it cos it sounds strange to you isn't d way to go.

If one says that the UFO fossil existed in a pre-Adamic age, doesn't your spiritual mind offer you any insight that such a theory negates the word of God?

i for one do not believe science negates the word of God instead i believe science is just lagging behind and would catch up. There are many recent scientific discoveries that the Bible has already provided answers for since thousands of years ago.. The Bible has nothing to hide because its true that is while Christiandom has produced far more great scientists than any other religion in the world.

cusBeta:
that one no concern me. what I know is that none of u on nairaland now was there to verify. what I know now is that I am alive.

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By His Grace.

salvation101:

where was it ever mentioned dat angels fell and their carcasses fill the earth?

There is no mention of that in the Bible. You need to understand that angels are spirit creatures and invisible to the eyes. The angels that appeared to men took on the form of man. Angels are spirit and cannot have carcasses. The ones that took the form of men didn't leave with the bodies and that was post-Adam.

salvation101:

Where do dinosaurs and all other extinct creatures of their time come from?

Well, man was the last creation. Every other thing existed before man was created. There was also the flood during the time of Noah that could have buried every other lives that were not taken into the ark.

salvation101:
Wat Pre-Adamic age proponents teaches is dat their was an age on earth that got destroyed probably joined the devil in d rebellion against God and was judged.. I find it logical just wanna see if its biblical

I really do not see how the Bible supports that logic but I will advise that you stick firmly within the perimeter of the Bible in your line of thought.

Let me try to get you right. Regarding the age on earth that you are talking about, are you trying to find out if humans or spirit creatures lived on earth pre-Adam?

salvation101:
You don't seem to be familiar with the topic at hand, u can do further research so you av valid points to support or debunk it but just sitting back on a rotating Chair and saying we should dismiss it cos it sounds strange to you isn't d way to go.

I am only trying to wedge you from going deeper into what will twist your mind. I am not trying to take any sides with it at all. Yes, I have read articles of that sort and you cannot get any better than what the Bible offers. I hope you find the answers you seek.

Fredmatic:
Yes, it is true, I HV study it with other scripture and related materials to kn dat, though it took me years of studies. Can u answer dis question? When did Satan rebel against God and was sent out of heaven in the bible? Dis happen happen billions of year before dis acsual creation. There is one person dat talk more about it here on niaraland, search for it and lear more

The Bible does not agree with that line of thought. Satan was not cast down years after creation. I want you to note that the angels who took wives for themselves actually came from heaven. They were not cast down at the time and that was post-Adamic. Another aspect was that during the flood, they returned to the heaven but the door was shut upon them.

Also, you have to note that many years after the death of Adam Satan still had the privilege to assemble before God in company with other sons of Jehovah.

So saying that they were cast out of heaven is not biblically correct.

I will advise you to stay within the perimeter of your Bible rather than reading scientifical stuff that gives accounts of surreal events that never happened.

removetheturban:
There is no mention of that in the Bible. You need to understand that angels are spirit creatures and invisible to the eyes. The angels that appeared to men took on the form of man. Angels are spirit and cannot have carcasses. The ones that took the form of men didn't leave with the bodies and that was post-Adam.

yes angels are no flesh dats why asked where it was mentioned earlier in my post dat dey fell and die

Well, man was the last creation. Every other thing existed before man was created. There was also the flood during the time of Noah that could have buried every other lives that were not taken into the ark. I really do not see how the Bible supports that logic but I will advise that you stick firmly within the perimeter of the Bible in your line of thought.

As for some extinct creatures, it couldn't av been Noah's time because God specifically asked noah to take male and female of all the beasts dat were existing. Except he disobeyed

Let me try to get you right. Regarding the age on earth that you are talking about, are you trying to find out if humans or spirit creatures lived on earth pre-Adam?

human is out of it cos Adam is obviously the first man. Wat am trying to find out is if there where some other creatures dat existed before the age of mankind

removetheturban:
I am only trying to wedge you from going deeper into what will twist your mind. I am not trying to take any sides with it at all. Yes, I have read articles of that sort and you cannot get any better than what the Bible offers. I hope you find the answers you seek.

proverb 25:2..
The spirit of God guides believers into all truth. I am not afraid of information, i can't be deceived nd i know wen to draw d line. I am not asking for scientific proof from believers in this teaching but for biblical proof cos i know little to nothing about it

salvation101:

human is out of it cos Adam is obviously the first man. Wat am trying to find out is if there where some other creatures dat existed before the age of mankind

Well, other creatures existed both in heaven and on earth. There were spirits and there were creatures on earth and creations as plants. God did create anything else apart from that.
When you mean creatures, could they have been in human form, supposedly?

You can find many textbooks of evolution detailing what you seek but scripturally, ...........(the far that we know is the Bible's truth)

salvation101:
proverb 25:2..
The spirit of God guides believers into all truth. I am not afraid of information, i can't be deceived nd i know wen to draw d line. I am not asking for scientific proof from believers in this teaching but for biblical proof cos i know little to nothing about it

Let me say if you cannot get a lead, why not try breaking down your quest into subheadings?

Few Christians would be willing to go this far with you but Atheist or Evolutionists will be glad to take you all the way. The fact is that at first glance, the topic has the potential to slide into evolution. Glad to know that you are not afraid of information.

salvation101:
As for some extinct creatures, it couldn't av been Noah's time because God specifically asked noah to take male and female of all the beasts dat were existing. Except he disobeyed

You also need to consider the fact he only took a couple per kind of the animals. The Ark wouldn't have contained the entire population of species. If Noah took a couple per kind, consider the population that didn't make it into the ark. Those would have certainly perished and buried in the earth.

salvation101:
yes angels are no flesh dats why asked where it was mentioned earlier in my post dat dey fell and die

The Bible said that God has not destroyed the disobedient angels yet but he reserved them for the final destruction. God did cast them off from the Heaven but did not destroy them.

removetheturban:
Well, other creatures existed both in heaven and on earth. There were spirits and there were creatures on earth and creations as plants. God did create anything else apart from that.
When you mean creatures, could they have been in human form, supposedly?

You can find many textbooks of evolution detailing what you seek but scripturally, ...........(the far that we know is the Bible's truth)

u keep mentioning human form, are dinosaurs humans? Wat i seek is biblical knowledge and obviously u don't know about the topic just admit it.

removetheturban:
The Bible said that God has not destroyed the disobedient angels yet but he reserved them for the final destruction. God did cast them off from the Heaven but did not destroy them.

of course, the Bible said dey are in chains awaiting judgment (jude 1:6)..obviously the fallen angels are different from demons.. Where did demons come from? Am sure u will agree dat d bible is very silent about their origin. Am not concerned about dat just want to know from those who have better understanding of dis subject.. I do not assume i know everything in scriptures yet, dats y i want those who know to point me to scriptures and not just dismiss it as false like u r doing. This is a topic i know little to nothing about and i am ready to learn as long as i get scriptural supports

salvation101:
There are several things in the Bible that aren't very clear and this subject matter happens to be one of them.
The school of thought that supports this event usually make reference to Gen1:1-2..they argue that there are billions of years between these two verses.

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

They claim the initial creation happened in verse 1 and eventually billions of years passed before God for some reason had to destroy the earth but eventually decided to restore it back to shape from verse two.. They also argue that it explains the extinction of some creatures that have been discovered by modern day archeologists and dated million and billions of years..

I am very interested in learning about this topic from other Christians, are there other places in the Bible that supports the existence of a Pre-Adamic age?

One thing people yet to understand about creation account in the scripture is that God didn't give the details of the whole creation but to let us know where we start to rebel against him.

Gen 1:1 Is the whole summary of both Heavens and Earth are the handiwork of God.

Earth was mentioned along with heaven because it's the focal point here where the image of God exists.

Gen 1:2-down talks about how God PREPARED THE EARTH to make it HABITABLE (to accommodate LIFE)

Therefore, Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2- down are different but that doesn't mean any race existed before God prepared the earth to make it habitable.

The timeline between Genesis 1:1 & 1:2 can be one day, 1 month, 1 year or even billions years but the fact is everything(all living things) start to exist on earth from the account of Gen1:2 because Gen1:2 only talks about how God made it to be habitable.

Earth be like other planets that no life occupied in Gen1:1.

removetheturban:
You also need to consider the fact he only took a couple per kind of the animals. The Ark wouldn't have contained the entire population of species. If Noah took a couple per kind, consider the population that didn't make it into the ark. Those would have certainly perished and buried in the earth.

really? R u trying to say God didn't make provision for every animal because the design and details on how the ark was to be built was given to Noah wch he built for several of years.. He was to bring a pair each for all creatures.. Why would God av left some of his creations out? Besides the story of Noah is a picture of the all encompassing salvation in Christ.. Whether jew or gentile there is salvation available

Emusan:


One thing people yet to understand about creation account in the scripture is that God didn't give the details of the whole creation but to let us know where we start to rebel against him.

Gen 1:1 Is the whole summary of both Heavens and Earth are the handiwork of God.

Earth was mentioned along with heaven because it's the focal point here where the image of God exists.

Gen 1:2-down talks about how God PREPARED THE EARTH to make it HABITABLE (to accommodate LIFE)

Therefore, Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2- down are different but that doesn't mean any race existed before God prepared the earth to make it habitable.

The timeline between Genesis 1:1 & 1:2 can be one day, 1 month, 1 year or even billions years but the fact is everything(all living things) start to exist on earth from the account of Gen1:2 because Gen1:2 only talks about how God made it to be habitable.

Earth be like other planets that no life occupied in Gen1:1.

ok. Thanks for ur contributions. Ur points are very valid and logical. I av reasons to believe there was a gap between verse 1 and 2 of genesis 1

salvation101:
really? R u trying to say God didn't make provision for every animal because the design and details on how the ark was to be built was given to Noah wch he built for several of years.. He was to bring a pair each for all creatures.. Why would God av left some of his creations out? Besides the story of Noah is a picture of the all encompassing salvation in Christ.. Whether jew or gentile there is salvation available

I said a couple per kind of all animals. (on the earth)

salvation101:
u keep mentioning human form, are dinosaurs humans? Wat i seek is biblical knowledge and obviously u don't know about the topic just admit it.

Alright! I hope you get the answers you seek.

removetheturban:
I said a couple per kind of all animals. (on the earth)

of course.. If dinosaurs were existing in noah time he would have made provisions for dem in d ark.. Dat is my thought.

salvation101:
of course.. If dinosaurs were existing in noah time he would have made provisions for dem in d ark.. Dat is my thought.

Okay.

ichuka:

Nice work bro
Will try and contribute later

Just discovered that good news Bible version is completely different that's a KJV Bible

Someone explain this part please, the sun, moon and stars were created in verse 14-19, on the fourth day, but before then there was already evening, morning, day and night, so what exactly made up a day before verse 14? What was the Light created in verse 3-5? Is it different from "sunlight" as in verse 14? Im of the opinion the creation story as recorded in Genesis is not a "literal" event so to speak.

Most biblical scholars believe that the creation of man was after the fall of lucifer

salvation101:
wat actual creation are you talking about? Verse 1 said God created the heavens and earth.. If satan rebelled in heaven den the fall of lucifer must av been after verse one.. Or do u mean d actually creation started from verse 2?cos verse one can stand on its own as the actual creation

Learn to speak with facts. Science has never ridiculed the Adamic story.

Obi1kenobi:
Even forgetting science which renders the Adamic origin story as nonsense. The Bible itself hints that Adam and his progeny weren't the only humans on earth. No story exemplifies this more than that of Cain.

danvon:
Just discovered that good news Bible version is completely different that's a KJV Bible

Hmmm
How do you mean

salvation101:
of course.. If dinosaurs were existing in noah time he would have made provisions for dem in d ark.. Dat is my thought.

Am sorry.. No disrespect meant but thats a very lame-a** kinda thought..

karli4nia:


Am sorry.. No disrespect meant but thats a very lame-a** kinda thought..

lame? U mean God instructed Noah to bring in male and female of all animals and he refused to do bring in dinosaurs and many other extinct creatures dated around d same time with it? Or wat do u consider to be lame?

salvation101:
lame? U mean God instructed Noah to bring in male and female of all animals and he refused to do bring in dinosaurs and many other extinct creatures dated around d same time with it? Or wat do u consider to be lame?

Gosh! I don't even know where to start with you... Well, since was just ur tot let's end it at that. I think you are a studious, open-minded and apparently intellugent person so i aint worried. I am quite sure u wld figure thing Oyo.. Cheers!