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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by budaatum: 12:58pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
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Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 6:59pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
salvation101:There are two ways to follow according to the Bible. One is narrow and one is wide. You must make your choice because you cannot serve God while feeding on the table of idols and empty speeches. As a Christian, do you want to be guided by the Bible or have you sought out a better way(philosophy) for yourself? salvation101:I do not know the heaven that you are referring exactly. The one in the earth or the heavens above? The Bible didn't say that Lucifer wanted to ascend to the heaven to be God. You may show me that verse of the Bible. To my knowledge, the Bible said that he wants the glory given to God yeah and that he was in the heaven before being cast down not that he wanted to ascend there. Lucifer was referred to as one of the sons of God who was up there before God. salvation101:Are angels flesh or spirit? If they are flesh would it be possible to fall from the heaven to land and shatter 'in the earth'? I mean what are the possibilities? Meteorites which are heaving substances shatter up there without falling into the earth. The force of gravity is just here on the earth. Can you scientifically prove to me how carcasses would fall from the heaven and the force that directed the carcasses to the earth? If they are spirits, how come the existence of literal carcasses? That is a food for thought for you. salvation101:The fact is that we are trying to stick closely to the Bible's fact. There is no need to insinuate human ideology when the Bible already has the answers. No one is limiting the power of God because I said "could" which signifies probability and certitude(to a certain degree). Nonetheless, since we have a documented fact in the Bible, why should we still be in the darkness of doubt? Saying "time is only a minute fraction of eternity", is also limiting because God's existence is not associated with time, he is timeless. The Bible says that man should be worried about time because every other thing remains. salvation101:If you believe the Bible's account of creation which tells you when that earth(the dry land claimed to contain the fossils) was formed, why would you have doubt in your mind when presented scientific findings that disagree with the Bible? Do you somehow feel that science knows more than God? If one says that the UFO fossil existed in a pre-Adamic age, doesn't your spiritual mind offer you any insight that such a theory negates the word of God? 1 Like |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 7:04pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
salvation101:It is good to read from you again. I get caught up with some other engagements lately. I hope my answers quell your thirst for the truth. |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 7:45pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
Well maybe u missed my introduction on this thread but i would go over it again. Dis is a topic the Bible speaks very little about so i can't be Dogmatic about. The bible generally talks so little about the devil, demons, fallen angels and their origin or creation.. D bible also didn't tell us about the creation of angels. I didn't create dis thread to argue dogma but to learn from those who may av better understanding of the topic and perhaps dey could point out some scriptural references i may not be familiar with. removetheturban:How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isaiah 14:12-15 Are angels flesh or spirit? If they are flesh would it be possible to fall from the heaven to land and shatter 'in the earth'? I mean what are the possibilities? Meteorites which are heaving substances shatter up there without falling into the earth. The force of gravity is just here on the earth. Can you scientifically prove to me how carcasses would fall from the heaven and the force that directed the carcasses to the earth? If they are spirits, how come the existence of literal carcasses? That is a food for thought for you.where was it ever mentioned dat angels fell and their carcasses fill the earth? Angels are spirit. Where do dinosaurs and all other extinct creatures of their time come from? Wat Pre-Adamic age proponents teaches is dat their was an age on earth that got destroyed probably joined the devil in d rebellion against God and was judged.. I find it logical just wanna see if its biblical The fact is that we are trying to stick closely to the Bible's fact. There is no need to insinuate human ideology when the Bible already has the answers. No one is limiting the power of God because I said "could" which signifies probability and certitude(to a certain degree). Nonetheless, since we have a documented fact in the Bible, why should we still be in the darkness of doubt?dis submission of urs doesn't portray open-mindedness or readiness to learn. U assume u know everything in the scripture same way u said there is never a place the devil wanted to ascend to heaven. You don't seem to be familiar with the topic at hand, u can do further research so you av valid points to support or debunk it but just sitting back on a rotating Chair and saying we should dismiss it cos it sounds strange to you isn't d way to go. If one says that the UFO fossil existed in a pre-Adamic age, doesn't your spiritual mind offer you any insight that such a theory negates the word of God?i for one do not believe science negates the word of God instead i believe science is just lagging behind and would catch up. There are many recent scientific discoveries that the Bible has already provided answers for since thousands of years ago.. The Bible has nothing to hide because its true that is while Christiandom has produced far more great scientists than any other religion in the world. |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by orisa37: 7:49pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
cusBeta:. By His Grace. |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 8:33pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
salvation101:There is no mention of that in the Bible. You need to understand that angels are spirit creatures and invisible to the eyes. The angels that appeared to men took on the form of man. Angels are spirit and cannot have carcasses. The ones that took the form of men didn't leave with the bodies and that was post-Adam. salvation101:Well, man was the last creation. Every other thing existed before man was created. There was also the flood during the time of Noah that could have buried every other lives that were not taken into the ark. salvation101:I really do not see how the Bible supports that logic but I will advise that you stick firmly within the perimeter of the Bible in your line of thought. Let me try to get you right. Regarding the age on earth that you are talking about, are you trying to find out if humans or spirit creatures lived on earth pre-Adam? 1 Like |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 8:49pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
salvation101:I am only trying to wedge you from going deeper into what will twist your mind. I am not trying to take any sides with it at all. Yes, I have read articles of that sort and you cannot get any better than what the Bible offers. I hope you find the answers you seek. 1 Like |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 9:00pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
Fredmatic:The Bible does not agree with that line of thought. Satan was not cast down years after creation. I want you to note that the angels who took wives for themselves actually came from heaven. They were not cast down at the time and that was post-Adamic. Another aspect was that during the flood, they returned to the heaven but the door was shut upon them. Also, you have to note that many years after the death of Adam Satan still had the privilege to assemble before God in company with other sons of Jehovah. So saying that they were cast out of heaven is not biblically correct. I will advise you to stay within the perimeter of your Bible rather than reading scientifical stuff that gives accounts of surreal events that never happened. 1 Like |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 9:23pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
removetheturban:yes angels are no flesh dats why asked where it was mentioned earlier in my post dat dey fell and die Well, man was the last creation. Every other thing existed before man was created. There was also the flood during the time of Noah that could have buried every other lives that were not taken into the ark. I really do not see how the Bible supports that logic but I will advise that you stick firmly within the perimeter of the Bible in your line of thought.As for some extinct creatures, it couldn't av been Noah's time because God specifically asked noah to take male and female of all the beasts dat were existing. Except he disobeyed Let me try to get you right. Regarding the age on earth that you are talking about, are you trying to find out if humans or spirit creatures lived on earth pre-Adam?human is out of it cos Adam is obviously the first man. Wat am trying to find out is if there where some other creatures dat existed before the age of mankind 1 Like |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 9:28pm On Jan 26, 2018 |
removetheturban:proverb 25:2.. The spirit of God guides believers into all truth. I am not afraid of information, i can't be deceived nd i know wen to draw d line. I am not asking for scientific proof from believers in this teaching but for biblical proof cos i know little to nothing about it |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 3:01am On Jan 27, 2018 |
salvation101:Well, other creatures existed both in heaven and on earth. There were spirits and there were creatures on earth and creations as plants. God did create anything else apart from that. When you mean creatures, could they have been in human form, supposedly? You can find many textbooks of evolution detailing what you seek but scripturally, ...........(the far that we know is the Bible's truth) 1 Like |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 3:16am On Jan 27, 2018 |
salvation101:Let me say if you cannot get a lead, why not try breaking down your quest into subheadings? Few Christians would be willing to go this far with you but Atheist or Evolutionists will be glad to take you all the way. The fact is that at first glance, the topic has the potential to slide into evolution. Glad to know that you are not afraid of information. 1 Like |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 3:26am On Jan 27, 2018 |
salvation101:You also need to consider the fact he only took a couple per kind of the animals. The Ark wouldn't have contained the entire population of species. If Noah took a couple per kind, consider the population that didn't make it into the ark. Those would have certainly perished and buried in the earth. 1 Like |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 3:29am On Jan 27, 2018 |
salvation101:The Bible said that God has not destroyed the disobedient angels yet but he reserved them for the final destruction. God did cast them off from the Heaven but did not destroy them. 1 Like |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 6:39am On Jan 27, 2018 |
removetheturban:u keep mentioning human form, are dinosaurs humans? Wat i seek is biblical knowledge and obviously u don't know about the topic just admit it. |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 6:45am On Jan 27, 2018 |
removetheturban:of course, the Bible said dey are in chains awaiting judgment (jude 1:6)..obviously the fallen angels are different from demons.. Where did demons come from? Am sure u will agree dat d bible is very silent about their origin. Am not concerned about dat just want to know from those who have better understanding of dis subject.. I do not assume i know everything in scriptures yet, dats y i want those who know to point me to scriptures and not just dismiss it as false like u r doing. This is a topic i know little to nothing about and i am ready to learn as long as i get scriptural supports |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Emusan(m): 6:50am On Jan 27, 2018 |
salvation101: One thing people yet to understand about creation account in the scripture is that God didn't give the details of the whole creation but to let us know where we start to rebel against him. Gen 1:1 Is the whole summary of both Heavens and Earth are the handiwork of God. Earth was mentioned along with heaven because it's the focal point here where the image of God exists. Gen 1:2-down talks about how God PREPARED THE EARTH to make it HABITABLE (to accommodate LIFE) Therefore, Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2- down are different but that doesn't mean any race existed before God prepared the earth to make it habitable. The timeline between Genesis 1:1 & 1:2 can be one day, 1 month, 1 year or even billions years but the fact is everything(all living things) start to exist on earth from the account of Gen1:2 because Gen1:2 only talks about how God made it to be habitable. Earth be like other planets that no life occupied in Gen1:1. |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 6:57am On Jan 27, 2018 |
removetheturban:really? R u trying to say God didn't make provision for every animal because the design and details on how the ark was to be built was given to Noah wch he built for several of years.. He was to bring a pair each for all creatures.. Why would God av left some of his creations out? Besides the story of Noah is a picture of the all encompassing salvation in Christ.. Whether jew or gentile there is salvation available |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 7:15am On Jan 27, 2018 |
Emusan:ok. Thanks for ur contributions. Ur points are very valid and logical. I av reasons to believe there was a gap between verse 1 and 2 of genesis 1 |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 9:15am On Jan 27, 2018 |
salvation101:I said a couple per kind of all animals. (on the earth) |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 9:18am On Jan 27, 2018 |
salvation101:Alright! I hope you get the answers you seek. |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 10:53am On Jan 27, 2018 |
removetheturban:of course.. If dinosaurs were existing in noah time he would have made provisions for dem in d ark.. Dat is my thought. |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 3:10pm On Jan 27, 2018 |
salvation101:Okay. |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by danvon(m): 3:31pm On Jan 27, 2018 |
ichuka:Just discovered that good news Bible version is completely different that's a KJV Bible |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 11:02am On Jan 29, 2018 |
Someone explain this part please, the sun, moon and stars were created in verse 14-19, on the fourth day, but before then there was already evening, morning, day and night, so what exactly made up a day before verse 14? What was the Light created in verse 3-5? Is it different from "sunlight" as in verse 14? Im of the opinion the creation story as recorded in Genesis is not a "literal" event so to speak. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Omudia11: 2:42pm On Jan 29, 2018 |
Most biblical scholars believe that the creation of man was after the fall of lucifer salvation101: |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Omudia11: 2:46pm On Jan 29, 2018 |
Learn to speak with facts. Science has never ridiculed the Adamic story. Obi1kenobi: |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by ichuka(m): 8:43pm On Jan 29, 2018 |
danvon:Hmmm How do you mean |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by karli4nia(m): 9:20pm On Jan 30, 2018 |
salvation101: Am sorry.. No disrespect meant but thats a very lame-a** kinda thought.. |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by Nobody: 9:30pm On Jan 30, 2018 |
karli4nia:lame? U mean God instructed Noah to bring in male and female of all animals and he refused to do bring in dinosaurs and many other extinct creatures dated around d same time with it? Or wat do u consider to be lame? |
Re: Pre-adamic Age: Biblical Or Not? by karli4nia(m): 9:48pm On Jan 30, 2018 |
salvation101: Gosh! I don't even know where to start with you... Well, since was just ur tot let's end it at that. I think you are a studious, open-minded and apparently intellugent person so i aint worried. I am quite sure u wld figure thing Oyo.. Cheers! |
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