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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by boldndbeautiful(f): 9:09am On Jan 26, 2018
good morning fam, pls does anybody know today's rate?

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by dipoolowoo: 10:55am On Jan 26, 2018
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Comeandcollect: 5:09pm On Jan 26, 2018
It is common among one of these banks to use such even though there is no major relevance to it. What issues are you having with the form?


EverIncreasing:
I feel so bad cry cry cry
Na wao oo,nobody wan answer me embarassed
Please,help me
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by skydiver01: 9:29pm On Jan 27, 2018
I have signed one many times... It indemnifies the bank from the Federal Governments TBill obligation to you...

EverIncreasing:
I feel so bad cry cry cry
Na wao oo,nobody wan answer me embarassed
Please,help me
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Partnerbiz(f): 9:09am On Jan 28, 2018

If I buy TB in January at 12% for 365 days, and terminate in August when rates are 18%, will I lose part of my capital? Is it possible please?


feelamong
investnow2017

acidosis
freeman67 et al.



dotcomenamename
tony56 ( my man) lol
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 9:34am On Jan 28, 2018
Partnerbiz:
[b]
If I buy TB in January at 12% for 365 days, and terminate in August when rates are 18%, will I lose part of my capital? Is it possible please?


feelamong
investnow2017

acidosis
freeman67 et al.

[/b]who told u rate will be 18 in august

dotcomenamename
tony56 ( my man) lol
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Partnerbiz(f): 9:42am On Jan 28, 2018
Alikote sir , lol.


I just wanted to use that illustration to clarify my question sir.

What do you think please?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 11:33am On Jan 28, 2018
Partnerbiz:
Alikote sir , lol.


I just wanted to use that illustration to clarify my question sir.

What do you think please?
rate might be lower than 13.5 the govt is borrowing around 2.5 bn dolla r from oversea .....max expect ion is 15
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by freeman67: 12:30pm On Jan 28, 2018
Partnerbiz:

If I buy TB in January at 12% for 365 days, and terminate in August when rates are 18%, will I lose part of my capital? Is it possible please?


feelamong
investnow2017

acidosis
freeman67 et al.



dotcomenamename
tony56 ( my man) lol


Hmmm this your illustration... If you buy 12% for 364 and they buy back @ 18% you don loose like 6% untop the 12% balance for the remaining period in the tenure bought na.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Partnerbiz(f): 12:49pm On Jan 28, 2018
Alikote:
rate might be lower than 13.5 the govt is borrowing around 2.5 bn dolla r from oversea .....max expect ion is 15

Please can you attempt the question using the scenario strictly.
Partnerbiz:

If I buy TB in January at 12% for 365 days, and terminate in August when rates are 18%, will I lose part of my capital? Is it possible please?


feelamong
investnow2017

acidosis
freeman67 et al.



dotcomenamename
tony56 ( my man) lol
Alikote:
rate might be lower than 13.5 the govt is borrowing around 2.5 bn dolla r from oversea .....max expect ion is 15

Please can you attempt the question using the scenario strictly.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 3:51pm On Jan 28, 2018
Partnerbiz:


Please can you attempt the question using the scenario strictly.

Please can you attempt the question using the scenario strictly.
u loose part of the interest
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Partnerbiz(f): 4:29pm On Jan 28, 2018
Alikote:
u loose part of the interest
Can you prove that please?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 7:22pm On Jan 28, 2018
[quote author=Partnerbiz post=64585731]

Can you prove that please?[/quote get a paid financial advicer or read from page one i dont work for free
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by TONY56: 9:25pm On Jan 28, 2018
Partnerbiz:

If I buy TB in January at 12% for 365 days, and terminate in August when rates are 18%, will I lose part of my capital? Is it possible please?


feelamong
investnow2017

acidosis
freeman67 et al.



dotcomenamename
tony56 ( my man) lol


Assuming there's no penal charges like that of Union Bank, the answer to your question is that you are very likely to lose substantial part of the upfront interest paid to you.

Assuming you bought N1,000,000 TB on 1st Jan at 12% for 364days, your upfront interest before the usual deductions is N120,000.

Also, assuming you terminate on 30th August, the actual interest you will be entitled to for the 243days= 243/364 × N120,000 = N80,109.89.

That means you are to refund N39,890.11 as excess interest received.

Now, the 1m is now to be sold at 18% for the remaining 121days>> the upfront interest payable to the new buyer is 121/364 × N1,000,000 x 18/100 = N59,835.17. That amount (N59,835.17) will equally be charged on you i.e your total refund or deduction from your 1m is now N99,725.28 since you have been paid N120,000 upfront. This is the amount you would lose excluding other normal charges which are very unlikely to be up to the N20,274.72 left out of the N120,000 you received as upfront interest.

So, in a nut shell, you will be losing almost but not all the upfront interest you collected without affecting your principal (assuming there is no penal charge of 25% as it's charged by Union Bank). Otherwise, the penal charge will eat into your Principal amount

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Agbaletu: 10:19pm On Jan 28, 2018
TONY56:



Assuming there's no penal charges like that of Union Bank, the answer to your question is that you are very likely to lose substantial part of the upfront interest paid to you.

Assuming you bought N1,000,000 TB on 1st Jan at 12% for 364days, your upfront interest before the usual deductions is N120,000.

Also, assuming you terminate on 30th August, the actual interest you will be entitled to for the 243days= 243/364 × N120,000 = N80,109.89.

That means you are to refund N39,890.11 as excess interest received.

Now, the 1m is now to be sold at 18% for the remaining 121days>> the upfront interest payable to the new buyer is 121/364 × N1,000,000 x 18/100 = N59,835.17. That amount (N59,835.17) will equally be charged on you i.e your total refund or deduction from your 1m is now N99,725.28 since you have been paid N120,000 upfront. This is the amount you would lose excluding other normal charges which are very unlikely to be up to the N20,274.72 left out of the N120,000 you received as upfront interest.

So, in a nut shell, you will be losing almost but not all the upfront interest you collected without affecting your principal (assuming there is no penal charge of 25% as it's charged by Union Bank). Otherwise, the penal charge will eat into your Principal amount
If he doesn't have up to N99,725. 28 in his account, does it mean he will lose part of his Principal? Most people normally withdraw or reinvest their interest and leave nothing or small coins in their account.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by TONY56: 6:41am On Jan 29, 2018
Agbaletu:

If he doesn't have up to N99,725. 28 in his account, does it mean he will lose part of his Principal? Most people normally withdraw or reinvest their interest and leave nothing or small coins in their account.

Sure. It will be deducted from his principal amount and that doesn't mean that he has lost part of his principal since he was paid N120,000 upfront.

It's still part of his upfront interest that is being lost as long as it's not up to the N120,000 he collected earlier grin grin grin

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Agbaletu: 7:47am On Jan 29, 2018
TONY56:


Sure. It will be deducted from his principal amount and that doesn't mean that he has lost part of his principal since he was paid N120,000 upfront.

It's still part of his upfront interest that is being lost as long as it's not up to the N120,000 he collected earlier grin grin grin

Thanks
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by vitality22(m): 9:24am On Jan 29, 2018
TONY56:



Assuming there's no penal charges like that of Union Bank, the answer to your question is that you are very likely to lose substantial part of the upfront interest paid to you.

Assuming you bought N1,000,000 TB on 1st Jan at 12% for 364days, your upfront interest before the usual deductions is N120,000.

Also, assuming you terminate on 30th August, the actual interest you will be entitled to for the 243days= 243/364 × N120,000 = N80,109.89.

That means you are to refund N39,890.11 as excess interest received.

Now, the 1m is now to be sold at 18% for the remaining 121days>> the upfront interest payable to the new buyer is 121/364 × N1,000,000 x 18/100 = N59,835.17. That amount (N59,835.17) will equally be charged on you i.e your total refund or deduction from your 1m is now N99,725.28 since you have been paid N120,000 upfront. This is the amount you would lose excluding other normal charges which are very unlikely to be up to the N20,274.72 left out of the N120,000 you received as upfront interest.

So, in a nut shell, you will be losing almost but not all the upfront interest you collected without affecting your principal (assuming there is no penal charge of 25% as it's charged by Union Bank). Otherwise, the penal charge will eat into your Principal amount
CORRECT!, I couldn't have said it any better
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Investnow2017: 11:32am On Jan 29, 2018
Partnerbiz:

If I buy TB in January at 12% for 365 days, and terminate in August when rates are 18%, will I lose part of my capital? Is it possible please?


feelamong
investnow2017

acidosis
freeman67 et al.



dotcomenamename
tony56 ( my man) lol

It is very simple. Let's take this scenario. At the time of buying a generator you were given 12% discount and you paid N200,000. Now assuming that generator is still of the same value and you are now to sell it, and the government says you must give 18% discount, wouldn't you lose some money? Again it depends too on how long you have held the generator. Oga TONY56's explanation will shed more light. I have simply used a layman's way to try to let you know how it works.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by megacontrol(m): 11:48am On Jan 29, 2018
Hmmm...

Is the N59,835.17 then not supposed to replace the N39,890.11 as the amount to be refunded/deducted from the original 120k upfront payment, leaving him with N60,164.83 balance as the net interest earned?

Does summing both up not amount to double penalty?

Just wondering.

TONY56:



Assuming there's no penal charges like that of Union Bank, the answer to your question is that you are very likely to lose substantial part of the upfront interest paid to you.

Assuming you bought N1,000,000 TB on 1st Jan at 12% for 364days, your upfront interest before the usual deductions is N120,000.

Also, assuming you terminate on 30th August, the actual interest you will be entitled to for the 243days= 243/364 × N120,000 = N80,109.89.

That means you are to refund N39,890.11 as excess interest received.

Now, the 1m is now to be sold at 18% for the remaining 121days>> the upfront interest payable to the new buyer is 121/364 × N1,000,000 x 18/100 = N59,835.17. That amount (N59,835.17) will equally be charged on you i.e your total refund or deduction from your 1m is now N99,725.28[i][/i] since you have been paid N120,000 upfront. This is the amount you would lose excluding other normal charges which are very unlikely to be up to the N20,274.72 left out of the N120,000 you received as upfront interest.

So, in a nut shell, you will be losing almost but not all the upfront interest you collected without affecting your principal (assuming there is no penal charge of 25% as it's charged by Union Bank). Otherwise, the penal charge will eat into your Principal amount
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by just2endowed: 12:06pm On Jan 29, 2018
there are great lecturer here.....
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Investnow2017: 1:34pm On Jan 29, 2018
TONY56:



Assuming there's no penal charges like that of Union Bank, the answer to your question is that you are very likely to lose substantial part of the upfront interest paid to you.

Assuming you bought N1,000,000 TB on 1st Jan at 12% for 364days, your upfront interest before the usual deductions is N120,000.

Also, assuming you terminate on 30th August, the actual interest you will be entitled to for the 243days= 243/364 × N120,000 = N80,109.89.

That means you are to refund N39,890.11 as excess interest received.

Now, the 1m is now to be sold at 18% for the remaining 121days>> the upfront interest payable to the new buyer is 121/364 × N1,000,000 x 18/100 = N59,835.17. That amount (N59,835.17) will equally be charged on you i.e your total refund or deduction from your 1m is now N99,725.28 since you have been paid N120,000 upfront. This is the amount you would lose excluding other normal charges which are very unlikely to be up to the N20,274.72 left out of the N120,000 you received as upfront interest.

So, in a nut shell, you will be losing almost but not all the upfront interest you collected without affecting your principal (assuming there is no penal charge of 25% as it's charged by Union Bank). Otherwise, the penal charge will eat into your Principal amount

I told you; Oga TONY56 is a fantastic lecturer.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by hiscules: 1:53pm On Jan 29, 2018
TONY56:



Assuming there's no penal charges like that of Union Bank, the answer to your question is that you are very likely to lose substantial part of the upfront interest paid to you.

Assuming you bought N1,000,000 TB on 1st Jan at 12% for 364days, your upfront interest before the usual deductions is N120,000.

Also, assuming you terminate on 30th August, the actual interest you will be entitled to for the 243days= 243/364 × N120,000 = N80,109.89.

That means you are to refund N39,890.11 as excess interest received.

Now, the 1m is now to be sold at 18% for the remaining 121days>> the upfront interest payable to the new buyer is 121/364 × N1,000,000 x 18/100 = N59,835.17. That amount (N59,835.17) will equally be charged on you i.e your total refund or deduction from your 1m is now N99,725.28 since you have been paid N120,000 upfront. This is the amount you would lose excluding other normal charges which are very unlikely to be up to the N20,274.72 left out of the N120,000 you received as upfront interest.

So, in a nut shell, you will be losing almost but not all the upfront interest you collected without affecting your principal (assuming there is no penal charge of 25% as it's charged by Union Bank). Otherwise, the penal charge will eat into your Principal amount
Well done Sir. What if I bought in the secondary market? Can I terminate my investment too??

Is it the same scenario illustrated above that applies. If not ,can you throw some light on how terminating in the secondary market works.

Thanks
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ositadima1(m): 4:43pm On Jan 29, 2018
boldndbeautiful:
good morning fam, pls does anybody know today's rate?

No DP? No pix? How can we authenticate claims implied by your user name, boldndbeautiful? Sorry, but, we need to establish whether you are trustworthy, only then can we do biz with you.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ositadima1(m): 4:53pm On Jan 29, 2018
Investnow2017:


I told you; Oga TONY56 is a fantastic lecturer.

I wonder why people insist interest is upfront.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by freeman67: 5:08pm On Jan 29, 2018
ositadima1:


I wonder why people insist interest is upfront.

Pple insist interest is upfront because unlike fixed deposit and other forms of investment where interest are paid at interval or at expiration, your TB interest is paid to you immediately your bid is accepted except if you request for it to be invested with the principal. You will only get your complete principal at the expiration of the agreed tenure of investment.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Investnow2017: 5:12pm On Jan 29, 2018
ositadima1:


I wonder why people insist interest is upfront.

If you call it interest you will be mistaken. You are actually buying at a DISCOUNT

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ositadima1(m): 5:19pm On Jan 29, 2018
freeman67:


Pple insist interest is upfront because unlike fixed deposit and other forms of investment where interest are paid at interval or at expiration, your TB interest is paid to you immediately your bid is accepted except if you request for it to be invested with the principal. You will only get your complete principal at the expiration of the agreed tenure of investment.

I disagree, the difference between the price you paid for the T-bill and the full amount at redemption is supposed to be your interest. No investment pays interest upfront, none.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ositadima1(m): 6:35pm On Jan 29, 2018
Interest rate: [(Amount - Principal)/Principal] *100

Discount rate: [(Amount - Principal)/Amount] *100

Interest rates calculate how much a present sum of money will be worth in the future at a certain rate of growth and you use discount rates to determine what present sum of money you need to reach a particular future value at a given rate of growth.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by TONY56: 7:12pm On Jan 29, 2018
hiscules:
Well done Sir. What if I bought in the secondary market? Can I terminate my investment too??

Is it the same scenario illustrated above that applies. If not ,can you throw some light on how terminating in the secondary market works.

Thanks

I must confess that I have never bought and terminated a TB bought at secondary market before so I don't know if TB purchased at secondary market can be terminated before maturity.
But I am sure that if it's possible to terminate it, same scenario illustrated above will apply

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by dipoolowoo: 5:19am On Jan 30, 2018
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by dipoolowoo: 7:55am On Jan 30, 2018
CBN Raises N84b from OMO Auction, Records No Bids for 87-Day Bill
https://www.businesspost.ng/2018/01/30/cbn-raises-n84b-omo-auction-records-no-bids-87-day-bill/

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