raumdeuter:


Thats why every club he has coached always went back to him and respect him because he is the greatest scum but Madrid and Chelsea dont even want to see Mourinho again. He is getting booed at both clubs now

i bet you did not read last season when mou said that Madrid wanted to offer him a contract extension but he refused. Did you not also read in 2015 when mou's name was sang in 3 different clubs in a week. Chelsea, man u and Madrid?

patrickmuf:
Well, we won it, the only trophy we had never won...Pep on the other hand spent £200m to get knocked out by a young Monaco team...

When you say young Monaco team, do you mean the one with Falcao, Baka, Bernardo, Mbappé or another one?

Just like Mou used a young Porto team that had Deco, Carvalho, Ferreira etc who went on to play for Barca, Real Madrid and Chelsea?

MoR2:

1. Real Madrid
2. Barcelona
3. Bayern
4. Juventus
5. PSG
6. ATM
7. Chelsea
8. Man City

Fashi the numbering this teams are the toughest to far in CL in the past 4 seasons. How many did Bayern beat

Bayern beat PSG this year, Bayern beat Man City under Pep, Bayern beat Juventus under Pep

The most interesting thing about Barcelona's match is the enthusiasm of the commentators

raumdeuter:


Bayern beat PSG this year, Bayern beat Man City under Pep, Bayern beat Juventus under Pep

man city or man u? Did pep coach Bayern this year?

MoR2:
Varane with clutches will still bench boateng

When Varane wins the world cup as a starter lers know

MoR2:
man city or man u? Did pep coach Bayern this year?

Man city was in Bayerns group twice under Pep and Bayern topped both times

Bayern under Pep played Chelsea in the super cup and Bayern with Pep beat chelsea with Mourinho

MoR2:
so kimmich is better than walker in rb abi. Well done

Anyway it's good you value united players enough to swap them with your over aging retires in your team.

Kimmich is better than Walker. Thats a fact

raumdeuter:


Man city was in Bayerns group twice under Pep and Bayern topped both times

Bayern under Pep played Chelsea in the super cup and Bayern with Pep beat chelsea with Mourinho

then again I never mention group stage I spoke of knock out round or European friendlies

raumdeuter:


When Varane wins the world cup as a starter lers know

when boateng plays in four major European finals winning three let's us know

Greatihex:
i bet you did not read last season when mou said that Madrid wanted to offer him a contract extension but he refused. Did you not also read in 2015 when mou's name was sang in 3 different clubs in a week. Chelsea, man u and Madrid?

Which Madrid will offer Mourinho a contrsct extension?

After years of domination and shaping the future of football, it became the common view that tiki-taka was dull and repetitive. Sucking the life out of opponents with relentless passing was wrongly conflated with sucking the life out of football and Pep’s brilliant team is thus remembered in a rather harsh light.

I do like pep but these pep fanatics.


Anyway Chelsea fans how do you feel if Luis Enrique starts managing Chelsea next season.

Chelsea will start playing 433

MoR2:
then again I never mention group stage I spoke of knock out round or European friendlies

So the city and Cheelsea Pep played in those tournaments arent the real team?

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raumdeuter:


Pep 1 sextuple, Mourinho 0 sextuple

look at how you keep disgracing yourself.

How can mou win sextuple when he has never competed for six trophies before?

Greatihex:
look at how you keep disgracing yourself.

How can mou win sextuple when he has never competed for six trophies before?

Whose fault is that? If Mourinho wa consistent like guardiola, he would have won sextuple

randomperson:


Whose fault is that? If Mourinho wa consistent like guardiola, he would have won sextuple

pep played in carabaco cup last season, why didn't he win it.... show us what he won last season. yeye dey smell.

Greatihex:
look at how you keep disgracing yourself.

How can mou win sextuple when he has never competed for six trophies before?

Mou played Super cup 3 times lost all 3 times. So how would he qualify? Pep played 3 UEFA super cup 3 times won all 3 times

obainojazz:
pep played in carabaco cup last season, why didn't he win it.... show us what he won last season. yeye dey smell.

Its only worthless competition that Mourinho specializes in like Carabao or whatever cup you call it. League he finished 6th

popizaino:


When Carlo Ancelotti was sacked by Bayern Munich. The decision had mixed responses (my personal take is Ancelotti should have been given a stern ultimatum to turn things around), however I think it puts into perspective the “controversial” tenure of Pep Guardiola at Bayern Munich (controversial solely because he failed to win the CL with them and managed to steamroll Bundesliga, making it look easy).

Let me start off with this post on a Barcelona fanpage from Facebook:

"Pep Guardiola got a treble winning team and didn't win a CL. Ancelotti is brought to do just that."

People tend to forget that when Pep was announced as Bayern's next coach (January 2013), Bayern hadn't won the Bundesliga in the last 2 seasons and hadn't won the Champions League in 12 years. The Champions League before that was 25 years ago, in 1976.

They then went on to win a treble, and people reduced Jupp Heynckes' time at Bayern as godly, when it was only the final months of the final season that Bayern won important trophies. The season before, they finished as runners ups in all three major tournaments. But I wouldn't reduce a coach's tenure to mere trophies. Trophies or no trophies in one season are a result of very small differences in variables. Too many 'what ifs'. Statistically dumb to infer important long term things from them. Bayern played wonderfully in 12-13, in relation to the Bayern style.

Pep Guardiola then took Bayern to new heights in terms of football, offered Bavaria a type of football it hadn't seen before. Players left training sessions in headaches complaining in delight about all the new things they keep learning. German coaches went one over the other to meet and learn from Pep. A footballing revolution, that is also seen in the German NT. Germany played differently before Pep than what they do after him. Anyone who has watched Die Mannschaft for a significant amount of time, knows the structural differences. But Pep didn't win the Champions League. Pep didn't win the one trophy Bayern had won twice in 41 years.

So he got slated.

Ancelotti however was supposed to fix all that, because he doesn't focus on 'boring' football, but rather on winning. The Bayern dressing room fell apart, with players complaining to the board about the lack of knowledge and innovations of Ancelotti regarding the football and training sessions. Players complained to the board saying Ancelotti doesn't do much, and definitely nothing new or different. "It feels more like a Sunday warmup session, run 11 laps, kick the ball' That however, is Ancelotti. Bayern board were warned by Madrid and PSG's people that Ancelotti is known for not doing anything much.

And it's a known fact for those who do not choose to be blinded by the glamour of the big Ancelotti, the one who lost two Liga Clasico's to TATA MARTINO, won ONE league with THAT Milan team. A coach who has won 4 league titles (one in France with PSG) during a 22 year managerial career with teams as AC Milan, PSG, Chelsea, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich. 4 in 22. Carlo Ancelotti who LOST a league with money flooded PSG against Montpellier, a team whose star player was Olivier Giroud. Leagues have always been a more important measure of continued success than knock out tournaments, statistically. In leagues, you have to face every team twice, while in knock outs you're out with a loss in one round against a strong team while some other team probably goes through to the end without facing any major team. It's exciting, but statistically not the best measure.

But let's not talk about trophies. Let's talk about football. There has been no footballing revolution or culture that Carlo Ancelotti has stemmed, created or left. He repeats some things from Sacchi and that's it.

The current, running footballing scenarios pose too much attention on people who win than people who change the landscape, bring new things and make the game better.

But history, history always remembers the ones who changed things. Herrera, Michels, Cruijff, Sacchi, Pep are admired for their trophies too, but more so for what they gave to football. How they changed the game into a more exciting one.

Ancelotti has given nothing such.

-KDP

Now let’s come to Guardiola’s CL failures at Bayern. In that humiliating 4–0 loss to Real Madrid, it has been explicitly revealed by Philipp Lahm that the players themselves ditched Pep’s tactics. Its a total failure on his part to rein in his players then and worthy of criticizing (not the tactical angle however). In the 2014–15 semis against Barcelona, he went in missing some key players and gave a real fight to Barcelona (yes, he did. Don’t let that 3–0 scoreline in Camp Nou fool you. Before Messi went nuts, I thought that match was headed to a draw). In the 2015–16 CL, Bayern crushed Atletico tactically in the second leg (Pep’s first leg tactics were worthy of critique) and were sorely unlucky to miss out (I genuinely had thought that season Bayern would win the treble, Pep had built a machine). Only once could he be really blamed for screwing up the CL campaign.

Beyond not winning the CL, I think Pep left a legacy in Germany. Julian Nagelsmann cites Guardiola as an inspiration along with Thomas Tuchel and Tuchel himself has hailed Guardiola (think Tuchel might have taken tactical lessons from Guardiola as well, though it hasn’t been stated explicitly). Jupp Heynckes also praised Guardiola (yes he did- Bayern Munich news: Heynckes hails Pep Guardiola after record title - Goal.com). German NT adapted Pep’s tactics and won the WC (Will England learn from Guardiola like Spain and Germany did? | Goal.com, The teams that Pep built: how Guardiola helped Spain & Germany win the World Cup - Goal.com) and Joachim Loew has praised Guardiola’s time in Germany (Loew says Guardiola left his mark on Bayern and Bundesliga). Guardiola didn’t win the Champions League for Bayern Munich, but it looks like he did have a positive effect on German football in general.

It is foolish to deny a legacy acknowledged by a coach’s peers based on the one tournament they didn’t win. SAF won the CL twice in 20+ years, Ancelotti has also bottled some CL campaigns (Istanbul 2005 and Deportivo 2004). Even Jose Mourinho doesn’t win CL every year. But they are remembered for their victories. Think Guardiola is the only manager who gets all the stick for his failures but nothing to very little praise for his successes.

PS- if your comment is the usual Guardiola destroyed Bayern etc, I won’t bother responding.

so it is mou that does not get all the sticks for his failures?
I think it is mou that gets it more. Once he fails, they will rush him immediately and start criticising his style.

Eruditor:


I paraphrased because my memory is only semi-photographic. But the gist was essentially what I said there. Instead of looking for a link (which you can do yourself), look for the YouTube video of Wenger answering the questions posed at him. That interview was shortly before Wenger celebrated 1000 games in Arsenal and shortly before he lost 6-0 to Mou.

Do your due diligence and see if you come up with Wenger insulting Mou.

i don't have the strength to go start looking for the interview, but I can't forget that arsene said mou is afraid to fail. Mou replied by saying, 'yes, I am afraid to fail because I hate failure. What of him that is a specialist in failure. 8 years without a trophy. If i do that at chelsea, i carry my bag and run away and never come back again.

raumdeuter:


Its only worthless competition that Mourinho specializes in like Carabao or whatever cup you call it. League he finished 6th

well, he's in top ten greatest UEFA coaches with his carabao cup.

raumdeuter:


Mou played Super cup 3 times lost all 3 times. So how would he qualify? Pep played 3 UEFA super cup 3 times won all 3 times

i see that you want to shift the goal post now.

Let me ask you again. Did moi ever get the chance of completing for six trophies in a year?

Greatihex:
i see that you want to shift the goal post now.

Let me ask you again. Did moi ever get the chance of completing for six trophies in a year?

How many trophies was he in contention for in 2016?

randomperson:


Whose fault is that? If Mourinho wa consistent like guardiola, he would have won sextuple

consistent how?

raumdeuter:


Which Madrid will offer Mourinho a contrsct extension?

the one mou called name during his comment.

raumdeuter:

How many trophies was he in contention for in 2016?

one, and he won it.

Greatihex:
i don't have the strength to go start looking for the interview, but I can't forget that arsene said mou is afraid to fail. Mou replied by saying, 'yes, I am afraid to fail because I hate failure. What of him that is a specialist in failure. 8 years without a trophy. If i do that at chelsea, i carry my bag and run away and never come back again.

That is the problem with hearsay and the spin the journalists gave to rile Mou up.

They interpreted Wenger's statement that "any one who rules himself out of contention cannot lose the league because they were never in it to begin with" to mean Mou who said his team was not in contention was afraid.

A classy manager could have said "that is his opinion" or something of the sort but see the opinion a classlessman gave.

Greatihex:
one, and he won it.

So he wasnt contending for the League, FA cup in 2016?

Conte : "I don't know what will happen [with Batshuayi], but when you have to play in the Champions League and FA Cup, three strikers is the minimum. Then we have to see what will happen in the transfer market. We are talking about another player, I don't know if we can."

Can someone please help me tell Bro. Antonio that we need an upgrade to morata and batshuayi. It's not about quantity but quality.

raumdeuter:


Busquets was brought from academy with 0 first team appearance and he is the best if not top 3 DM in the world

God forbid bad thing.

Greatihex:
consistent how?

Being able to stay in a club for more than two years without taking the club into a meltdown