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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Dimma2me(f): 10:05am On Jan 30, 2018
Please I want to invest on this Treasury bill, please which bank can I go to, those that can give me a good rate. Somebody please help.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Dimma2me(f): 10:09am On Jan 30, 2018
Dimma2me:
Please I want to invest on this Treasury bill, please which bank can I go to, those that can give me a good rate. Somebody please help.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Dimma2me(f): 11:21am On Jan 30, 2018
Pls which bank is good for investing on that now. Please how can I do that. Thank you.
dipoolowoo:
CBN Raises N84b from OMO Auction, Records No Bids for 87-Day Bill
https://www.businesspost.ng/2018/01/30/cbn-raises-n84b-omo-auction-records-no-bids-87-day-bill/
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Fynebouy: 11:53am On Jan 30, 2018
Hello all,

Please when is the next TB date with CBN and when is the best time to approach the banks.

Many thanks

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by NL1960: 12:35pm On Jan 30, 2018
Fynebouy:
Hello all,

Please when is the next TB date with CBN and when is the best time to approach the banks.

Many thanks

dipoolowoo:
CBN to Auction N253b Treasury Bills Tomorrow
https://www.businesspost.ng/2018/01/30/cbn-auction-n253b-treasury-bills-tomorrow/

Are you sure you are not already late?. Ask your bank if you can still apply.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 1:16pm On Jan 30, 2018
I want to Invest in tomorrow Tbills bidding(Primary Market), Do I have to go to the bank today or tomorrow after the bidding?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Fynebouy: 1:32pm On Jan 30, 2018
I really don't know what to do as my BO gave me a TB certificate that is maturing 01/02/2018. I would have thought it would mature just before or on same day as next TB. So can i roll over that particular certificate even though the auction is tomorrow. Or what is the way to go about it.

Also my BO is not responding to my calls or emails so I really cant get any information off him.

Thanks for your help.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 1:42pm On Jan 30, 2018
lowkey28:
I want to Invest in tomorrow Tbills bidding(Primary Market), Do I have to go to the bank today or tomorrow after the bidding?
go 48 hours before the bidding
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 1:43pm On Jan 30, 2018
Dimma2me:
Please I want to invest on this Treasury bill, please which bank can I go to, those that can give me a good rate. Somebody please help.
Primary market : Stanbic IBTC
Secondary market : FBN

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by NL1960: 2:12pm On Jan 30, 2018
lowkey28:
I want to Invest in tomorrow Tbills bidding(Primary Market), Do I have to go to the bank today or tomorrow after the bidding?

You were to go yesterday or last week Friday.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by NL1960: 2:14pm On Jan 30, 2018
Fynebouy:
I really don't know what to do as my BO gave me a TB certificate that is maturing 01/02/2018. I would have thought it would mature just before or on same day as next TB. So can i roll over that particular certificate even though the auction is tomorrow. Or what is the way to go about it.

Also my BO is not responding to my calls or emails so I really cant get any information off him.

Thanks for your help.

Your BO is right. TBs matures on a Thursday while bidding is a day before i.e. Wednesday. It is the funds realized on Wednesday that is used to settle those that matured the next day of Thursday.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Fynebouy: 2:51pm On Jan 30, 2018
NL1960:


Your BO is right. TBs matures on a Thursday while bidding is a day before i.e. Wednesday. It is the funds realized on Wednesday that is used to settle those that matured the next day of Thursday.


Thanks so much for this info. So how do I roll over or do I just let the funds sit in my account for almost 2 weeks before I get involved again. Please what options are available for me?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by NL1960: 3:15pm On Jan 30, 2018
Fynebouy:


Thanks so much for this info. So how do I roll over or do I just let the funds sit in my account for almost 2 weeks before I get involved again. Please what options are available for me?

You cannot rollover because TBs are from FG and not from banks. The banks are just facilitators between you and FG. The CBN represents the FG while the banks represent you. You cannot go straight to the FG. That is why you go through the banks that go through the CBN to FG.

As to the options available to you, you either wait for the next primary auction bid in 2 weeks time or you buy from secondary market or you place the funds on a call deposit for the 2 weeks.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by dipoolowoo: 11:03pm On Jan 30, 2018
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by megacontrol(m): 3:59am On Jan 31, 2018
I think s/he can rollover maturing primary market TBill at prevailing rate. It is clearly indicated as one of the options on the TCB form. How the rollover rates are computed is what i don't know, but i guess they will use the latest bid rate if the bank is successful.

Fynebouy:


Thanks so much for this info. So how do I roll over or do I just let the funds sit in my account for almost 2 weeks before I get involved again. Please what options are available for me?

NL1960:


You cannot rollover because TBs are from FG and not from banks. The banks are just facilitators between you and FG. The CBN represents the FG while the banks represent you. You cannot go straight to the FG. That is why you go through the banks that go through the CBN to FG.

As to the options available to you, you either wait for the next primary auction bid in 2 weeks time or you buy from secondary market or you place the funds on a call deposit for the 2 weeks.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Newbielearner(m): 8:16am On Jan 31, 2018
Please, how much would I need, to start buying bonds and treasury bills?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ositadima1(m): 8:33am On Jan 31, 2018
I found this interesting, not directly related to Tbills but none the less educative;

"Inflation is, in fact, a tax on money holdings. Then, after exploring some implications of this fact, we will examine again the reason why some countries have high inflation rates.

We start with the fiscal budget constraint that every government faces.

1. G = T + ΔB/Δt + ΔM/Δt

where G is government expenditure, T is taxes, t is time and ΔB/Δt and ΔM/Δt are the current-period changes stocks of government bonds and money held by the public. This constraint says that the government must finance its expenditures by either levying taxes, selling bonds to the public (increasing the stock of bonds at the rate ΔB/Δt) or printing money (increasing the money stock at the rate ΔM/Δt). The government budget deficit, government expenditures minus taxes, must be financed by either borrowing (selling bonds) or printing money.

Suppose that the government runs a deficit and finances it by printing money. For the sake of argument, we assume that the deficit is $1 billion and that the money supply is initially $10 billion. The government prints $1 billion of new money, giving it to the public in return for $1 billion worth of real goods and services. The public sells these goods and services to the government at market prices and receives an equivalent amount of money return---the goods and services are part of G, which exceeds T by 1 billion dollars.

But the nominal money supply is now ten percent ($1 billion/ $10 billion) higher and, given the public's unchanged desired holdings of real money balances, the price level will eventually rise by 10 percent. As a result, the public ends up with 10 percent larger nominal money holdings, which it gave up real goods and services to obtain, but faces a 10 percent higher price level. Since its real money holdings have not changed, it has received nothing for the goods and services it gave to the government. The public is no better off than it would have been if the government increased taxes by $1 billion dollars and used those funds to purchase the goods and services from it.

By printing money instead of raising income or sales taxes, the government is taxing money holdings instead of income or sales. Since the price level rises by 10 percent, everyone loses 10 percent of their initial money holdings and has to give up an equivalent amount of their current income to acquire sufficient additional nominal money holdings to maintain their real money holdings at the desired level. Had income taxes been increased instead, the government would have taken $1 billion (the same amount) directly off their current year's earnings."

It's quite long and I cut it here, I can post the subsequent part if you interested in reading further.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by NL1960: 9:22am On Jan 31, 2018
megacontrol:
I think s/he can rollover maturing primary market TBill at prevailing rate. It is clearly indicated as one of the options on the TCB form. How the rollover rates are computed is what i don't know, but i guess they will use the latest bid rate if the bank is successful.


Hearing this for the first time because CBN has never come out to say that people can rollover TBs. They always conduct a fresh auction and allotment is done after the auction. So, if CBN gives the allotment amount, what will they now do with rollover amounts or what portion of the allotted amount from the auction is reserve for rollovers?. I want to believe that it is the banks that do a rollover and iam equally sure that they just allocate from their secondary market pool.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by lancee(m): 10:51am On Jan 31, 2018
NL1960:


Hearing this for the first time because CBN has never come out to say that people can rollover TBs. They always conduct a fresh auction and allotment is done after the auction. So, if CBN gives the allotment amount, what will they now do with rollover amounts or what portion of the allotted amount from the auction is reserve for rollovers?. I want to believe that it is the banks that do a rollover and iam equally sure that they just allocate from their secondary market pool.



I think its the banks ...Zenith bank offers me such services , they will send a mail Wks before maturity , then u have to reply them like 1 week before maturity either to Rollover ur Tbills or not

Waiting for today's T bills outcome
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 11:44am On Jan 31, 2018
I just applied for Secondary market TB at FBN and I got 12.45 for 99days.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by lancee(m): 12:38pm On Jan 31, 2018
lowkey28:
I just applied for Secondary market TB at FBN and I got 12.45 for 99days.



Not bad
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by sherif4owo(m): 2:02pm On Jan 31, 2018
lancee:




I think its the banks ...Zenith bank offers me such services , they will send a mail Wks before maturity , then u have to reply them like 1 week before maturity either to Rollover ur Tbills or not

Waiting for today's T bills outcome

I dont think you can roll over at a primary market rate. maybe they will just roll over at the prevailing secondary market rate for you. They dont have that power to roll over for you.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ozymes: 2:58pm On Jan 31, 2018
Interested please:ozymes@yahoo.co.uk
ositadima1:
I found this interesting, not directly related to Tbills but none the less educative;

"Inflation is, in fact, a tax on money holdings. Then, after exploring some implications of this fact, we will examine again the reason why some countries have high inflation rates.

We start with the fiscal budget constraint that every government faces.

1. G = T + ΔB/Δt + ΔM/Δt

where G is government expenditure, T is taxes, t is time and ΔB/Δt and ΔM/Δt are the current-period changes stocks of government bonds and money held by the public. This constraint says that the government must finance its expenditures by either levying taxes, selling bonds to the public (increasing the stock of bonds at the rate ΔB/Δt) or printing money (increasing the money stock at the rate ΔM/Δt). The government budget deficit, government expenditures minus taxes, must be financed by either borrowing (selling bonds) or printing money.

Suppose that the government runs a deficit and finances it by printing money. For the sake of argument, we assume that the deficit is $1 billion and that the money supply is initially $10 billion. The government prints $1 billion of new money, giving it to the public in return for $1 billion worth of real goods and services. The public sells these goods and services to the government at market prices and receives an equivalent amount of money return---the goods and services are part of G, which exceeds T by 1 billion dollars.

But the nominal money supply is now ten percent ($1 billion/ $10 billion) higher and, given the public's unchanged desired holdings of real money balances, the price level will eventually rise by 10 percent. As a result, the public ends up with 10 percent larger nominal money holdings, which it gave up real goods and services to obtain, but faces a 10 percent higher price level. Since its real money holdings have not changed, it has received nothing for the goods and services it gave to the government. The public is no better off than it would have been if the government increased taxes by $1 billion dollars and used those funds to purchase the goods and services from it.

By printing money instead of raising income or sales taxes, the government is taxing money holdings instead of income or sales. Since the price level rises by 10 percent, everyone loses 10 percent of their initial money holdings and has to give up an equivalent amount of their current income to acquire sufficient additional nominal money holdings to maintain their real money holdings at the desired level. Had income taxes been increased instead, the government would have taken $1 billion (the same amount) directly off their current year's earnings."

It's quite long and I cut it here, I can post the subsequent part if you interested in reading further.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ImperialCovfefe: 3:59pm On Jan 31, 2018
Courtsey @Afrinvest

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Thisandthat(f): 5:19pm On Jan 31, 2018
Secondary rates for today 31st Jan Stanbic Ibtc 13.3% for 246 days,13.3 for 71days and 13.4 for 162 days....I actually got the 246 days .....learnt auction was for today.....haven't ever bought the primary market
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by C4Ltd: 10:58pm On Jan 31, 2018
Thisandthat:
Secondary rates for today 31st Jan Stanbic Ibtc 13.3% for 246 days,13.3 for 71days and 13.4 for 162 days....I actually got the 246 days .....learnt auction was for today.....haven't ever bought the primary market
wow. much better than what I got from fbn like a week or 2 ago 12.4 for about 176 days
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ImperialCovfefe: 12:33am On Feb 01, 2018
Partnerbiz:

If I buy TB in January at 12% for 365 days, and terminate in August when rates are 18%, will I lose part of my capital? Is it possible please?


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You buy a 364-tenor NTB with a face value of 1M naira at a 12% (annualized) discount. Hence you paid only 0.88*1E6 = 880,000.

After 8 months (August) the prevailing market rate is 18% (annualized) for a 121-day tenor (Date to Maturity). This means the person buying a 1M naira NTB pays only the discounted value of (121/364)*(1-0.18)*1E6 = 940165 naira.

Therefore, you as the seller get N940,165 for a security you purchased for only N880,000. Obviously, then, you stand to make a profit of 940165 - 880000 = N60,165.

Simple, right?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Nobody: 6:31am On Feb 01, 2018
Thisandthat:
Secondary rates for today 31st Jan Stanbic Ibtc 13.3% for 246 days,13.3 for 71days and 13.4 for 162 days....I actually got the 246 days .....learnt auction was for today.....haven't ever bought the primary market

Wow. much more better than FBN
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by dipoolowoo: 10:27am On Feb 01, 2018

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