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Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Ken4Christ: 12:34pm On Jan 31, 2018 |
Firstfruit offering though not as familiar to so many professing believers as tithing was first revealed in the Bible even before tithing. The principle was first unveiled in the forth chapter of the book of Genesis. It reads, Genesis 4:3-5. 3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: 5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. Notice the word, firstling. This is the term used when it is an animal. The principle has to do with giving the first of your increase to God whether of crops or animals or money. The principle later became part of the Law of Moses. The question now is; how do we apply it in our days? There are teachings that demands your full salary as your firstfruit offering. This is not scriptural. Even under the Law of Moses, what God demanded was the best. Here are a few scriptures to buttress my point. Exo 23:19 The FIRST of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk. Exo 34:26 The FIRST of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk. Eze 44:30 And the FIRST of all the firstfruits of all things, and every oblation of all, of every sort of your oblations, shall be the priest's: ye shall also give unto the priest the first of your dough, that he may cause the blessing to rest in thine house. Notice the word first used in the examples above. It actually means best in modern English. So, what you are expected to give Is your best. And your best is subject to you. If you can give all, go ahead. The more your give, the bigger the blessing. But don't make others who couldn't give all feel guilty. God never demanded all. His commandments are not grievous. Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a SHEAF of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: In this reference, the Jews were commanded to bring a sheaf of their firstfruit, not the whole. A sheaf means a bundle. Your questions and contributions are welcomed. Meanwhile, Proverbs 3:9-10 says; 9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: 10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine. It is an eternal principle. Think about God first in all that you do. Firstfruit offering is scriptural but it is not necessarily the whole of your first month salary. More teachings on firstfruit coming. 9 Likes |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Ken4Christ: 4:13pm On Jan 31, 2018 |
I need your comments. Or this doctrine is actually unfamiliar? |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by OkCornel(m): 4:57pm On Jan 31, 2018 |
Ken4Christ: Did God Almighty ever instruct first fruits to be paid monetarily? God gave clear instructions (not implied principles) on first fruits and how it should be paid...however, this is not obligatory on Christians to adhere to... The things necessary for Christians to do were clearly spelt out in Acts Chapter 15. That drew the line clearly between Judaism and Christianity. Say no to Judeo-Christianity!!! Confusionists in the early church tried mixing Mosaic Laws with the works of Christ...the same mistake should not be repeated today. Thank you. 57 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Ken4Christ: 8:53pm On Feb 01, 2018 |
OkCornel: Who instructed Abel To offer his firstlings of his animals? He did it without any law and God had respect to him and his offering. But Cain gave a worthless offering when he should have given his firstfruit. It is a divine principles. The lack of practice is one of the reasons so many professing believers are poor. Prophet Elijah was directed by God to go to a widow who will sustain him during the period of famine. The widow woman said she has only a small amount of flour and little oil to prepare a meal for she and her son after which she will get ready to die. But the prophet replied, 1st Kings 17;13-14. 13. ...Fear not; go and do as thou hast said: but make me thereof a little cake first, and bring it unto me, and after make for thee and for thy son. 14 For thus saith the LORD God of Israel, The barrel of meal shall not waste, neither shall the cruse of oil fail, until the day that the LORD sendeth rain upon the earth. Elijah taught her the kingdom principle of firstfruit that set her back on the path of prosperity. She did so and never lacked. Firstfruit is an honour you give to God. And God will honour those who honour him. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by OkCornel(m): 9:01pm On Feb 01, 2018 |
Ken4Christ: Are you following Abel or Jesus? Jesus has told us how to love God and man through Matthew 25 v 31-46 Let us know if it's Jesus you are following or someone else is your role model. Jesus is a perfect representation of the saints before, during and after the era of the Law. By the way... where in the Bible was first fruits paid with gold or silver? Did laborers pay their first fruits through their wages? Do you have any New testament reference where the early church mandated christians to pay first fruits? does Acts 15 make any sense to you? Or are you practicing Judeo-Christianity without knowing it? 46 Likes |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Ken4Christ: 12:35am On Feb 02, 2018 |
OkCornel: Our Lord Jesus taught the same principle. It is summarized in one sentence - But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you - Matthew 6:33. God will never take a second place in your life. That is why the first thing you ought to do in the morning is to begin the day with God. This is giving the firstfruit of your time. Jesus himself is our firstfruit. 1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. The people in the Bible days didn't trade much in cash. There were either farmers or cattle rearers. They don't have to give money as firstfruit since they already gave it in crops or animals. 6 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by OkCornel(m): 3:03am On Feb 02, 2018 |
Ken4Christ: Per the bolded, in your bible...even Israel had a glorious era in the days of Solomon, and it never changed the basis of what should be given as first fruit. You have only said Jesus is the first fruit. Show us where in the new covenant Jesus or the early Apostles mandated followers of Christ to pay first fruits. Please read Acts 15 and understand the difference between Christianity and Judaism... 21 Likes |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by OkCornel(m): 3:09am On Feb 02, 2018 |
FIRST FRUITS IN JUDAISM AS GOD DESIGNED IT TO BE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Fruits Hebrew perspective Main article: Bikkurim (First-fruits) In Ancient Israel, First Fruits was a type of offering that was akin to, but distinct from, terumah gedolah. While terumah gedolah was an agricultural tithe, the First-fruits, discussed in the Bikkurim tractate of the Talmud, were a sacrificial gift brought up to the altar (Bikkurim 3:12). The major obligation to bring First Fruits (henceforth: Bikkurim) to the Temple began at the festival of Shavuot and continued until the festival of Sukkot (Bikkurim 1:6). This tithe was limited to the traditional seven agricultural products (wheat, barley, grapes in the form of wine, figs, pomegranates, olives in the form of oil, and dates) grown in Israel. This tithe, and the associated festival of Shavuot, is legislated by the Torah. Textual critics speculate that these regulations were imposed long after the offerings and festival had developed. By the time of classical antiquity, extensive regulations regarding Bikkurim were recorded in the classical rabbinical literature. According to Jewish law, the corners of fields, wild areas, left-overs after harvesting (gleanings), and unowned crops were not subjected to (and could not be used as) the tithe of First Fruits (they were intended to be left as charity for the poor, and other mendicants); plants from outside Israel were also prohibited from inclusion in the tithe, as was anything belonging to non-Jews.[ The rules also specify that each type of product had to be individually tithed, even if the numbers were balanced so that there was no difference in amount between this situation and using just some types of First Fruit as the tithe, and retaining others in their entirety. Fruit which was allocated to the tithe could not be swapped for fruit which wasn't, to the extent that wine couldn't be swapped for vinegar, and olive oil couldn't be replaced by olives; furthermore, fruits were not allowed to be individually divided if only part went to the tithe (small whole pomegranates had to be used rather than sections from a large pomegranate, for example). The separation of tithed produce from untithed produce was also subject to regulation. The individual(s) separating one from the other had to be ritually clean, and had to include the best produce in the tithe if a kohen (priest) lived nearby. During the act of separation, the produce was not permitted to be counted out to determine which fell under the tithe, nor to be weighed for that purpose, nor to be measured for the same reason, but instead the proportion that was to become the tithe had to be guessed at. In certain situations, such as when tithed produce became mixed with non-tithed produce (or there was uncertainty as to whether it had), the tithed produce had to be destroyed.Anyone who made mistakes in the separation of tithed produce, and anyone who consumed any of the tithe, was required to pay compensation as a guilt offering. The pilgrims that brought the Bikkurim to the Temple were obligated to recite a declaration, also known as the Avowal, set forth in Deuteronomy 26:3-10 (cf. Mishnah, Bikkurim 3:6). Native-born Israelites and proselytes would bring the Bikkurim and would say the Avowal, but women who brought the Bikkurim were not permitted to say the Avowal, since they were unable to claim inheritance in the Land bequeathed unto the tribes by their male lineage.[a] This Avowal was incorporated into a beautiful and grand festive celebration with a procession of pilgrims marching up to Jerusalem and then the Temple with gold, silver or willow baskets to which live birds were tied. (Bikkurim 3:3,5 and ![]() I'M STILL WONDERING HOW FIRST FRUITS HAS TRANSFORMED INTO FIRST WAGES & SALARIES WITHOUT ANY CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS FROM GOD IN THE SCRIPTURES TO THE CONTRARY! Give unto God and man, but please beware of false teachers twisting the truth (facts) on ground with a little error or lies to suit their selfish interests 12 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Ken4Christ: 7:48pm On Feb 02, 2018 |
OkCornel: Christianity upheld the moral principles taught under the Law of Moses. The only difference is that we are no longer subject to strict rules and regulations such as daily sacrifices, washing of hands and feet etc. The law teaches, thou shall not kill, it is also upheld in Christianity. Jesus came to fulfill the law. He made it possible for us to meet the righteous requirements of the Law. I doubt if you are really born again and fill with the Holy Ghost. Even traditionalist have enough sense to first honour their ancestors when they hold special meetings. You see them pouring some portion of drinks to the earth. Their ancestors most drink first. Please, have some spiritual common sense. 2 Likes |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Nobody: 12:55am On Feb 03, 2018 |
Ken4Christ:You are arguing with an atheist? Arguing with someone that has already made up his mind no matter how you convince such person. There is no need arguing bro because you would end up wasting your time and energy . Even Lucifer at one point in time gave up when arguing scriptures with Yeshua but with humanity, his agents are not giving up. His agents are position in different social media to cause havoc. They mostly target Christians more than other religion why because it were there is sugar that is were ants gathers. I had dealt with many of them physically and spiritually on this forum. Many of them are demons from the pit of hell. They have different monikers they use in operating 1 Like |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by OkCornel(m): 12:26pm On Feb 03, 2018 |
Ken4Christ: You that has spiritual common sense...go and read Acts 15 which clearly spells the difference between Christianity and Judaism... Jesus has replaced the requirements of the Law with Love for God and Man... Through Love...you have fulfilled the law...Go and read Acts 15 and Matthew 25 v 31-46 again... Cheers... 7 Likes |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by lonikit: 12:45pm On Feb 03, 2018 |
op, I like ur analysis so much but pls I would like u to analyse this bfr I continue. here is the first place that God himself commanded it through moses Exodus 22:29 KJV Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me. pls, be objective sir 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by lonikit: 1:54pm On Feb 03, 2018 |
If first fruit is stil potent, stoppage of women on their period from appearing bfr God must be potent too, bringing liquor as part of first fruit should be potent too, forbidden of animals like snail, rabbit and the likes should also be potent. unfortunately, when it comes to laws that has notin to do with money, we say Christ has abolished them. but he didn't abolished first fruit abi ![]() saynotoselectiveteachingofthescripture 44 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Ken4Christ: 4:14pm On Feb 03, 2018 |
OkCornel: And love is a giver. If you truly have the love nature of God, you will give your very best even all that you have for the Gospel sake and to help those in need. For God so love the world that he gave... Don't be a stingy Christian. Honour God with your firstfruit and he will cause his blessing to rest in your house. Increase will only be your portion. I pray that your eyes will be opened to understand this simple truth. 1 Like |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by OkCornel(m): 12:27am On Feb 04, 2018 |
Ken4Christ: It seems you still don't understand the work Jesus has done on our behalf... He did not come to abolish the Law, rather He fulfilled the obligations of the Law so we don't have to prove our righteousness to God by obeying the Law anymore... Do you even know how firstfruit was done? Did God ever instruct first fruits to be paid monetarily? Say no to Judeo-Christianity! Jesus has told us what to do in Matthew 25 v 31-46... Cheers 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by OkCornel(m): 12:28am On Feb 04, 2018 |
Ken4Christ: It seems you still don't understand the work Jesus has done on our behalf... He did not come to abolish the Law, rather He fulfilled the obligations of the Law so we don't have to prove our righteousness to God by obeying the Law anymore... Do you even know how firstfruit was done? Did God ever instruct first fruits to be paid monetarily? Say no to Judeo-Christianity! Jesus has told us what to do in Matthew 25 v 31-46... Cheers By the way, how did you come to the speedy conclusion that I'm a stingy person? 3 Likes |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by esere827: 12:35am On Feb 04, 2018 |
this is really getting irritating money, money, money That is not all Jesus is about you know. # Go out heal the sick, raise the dead, heal the bruised, raise people up, love those who cry for love freely you have received, freely give Move on What's all this!! Person go open bible na only money e dey see to talk about. Looks like poor man mentality to me 26 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Jesusgirl92(f): 12:36am On Feb 04, 2018 |
God bless you for this writeup op. |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Ken4Christ: 10:38pm On Feb 04, 2018 |
OkCornel: Jesus fulfilling the law didn't dilute the righteous requirements of the law. Rather, it puts a greater demand on us. The law says love thy neighbour as yourself. It means, don't do less for your neighbour what you can do for yourself. This commandment doesn't require additional sacrifice. But Jesus days, love one another the way I loved you - John 13:34-35. This requires greater sacrifice than the comnandment given under the law. Jesus laid down his life for us, then we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. What is why they could sell their properties and lay them down at the Apostles feet for distribution to the poor brethren. This, they couldn't do under the law. Yes, the Law has been abolished but its righteous requirements remains. You must live a holy life and be an all round giver. Hence Apostle wrote, And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work- 2nd Corinthians 9:8. Again he said, Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness ![]() When God blesses you, your seed must be given priority before your meet. You have to plan what you will give first as a seed offering to God before you start spending on your personal needs. This was Paul's submission in the last verse. So my brother, you have misunderstood the grace that Jesus brought. It is not a license to avoid responsibility but it is an empowerment to do more than what the Saints of old did. 1 Like |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by OkCornel(m): 10:55pm On Feb 04, 2018 |
Ken4Christ: So therefore, are you saying after Jesus fulfilled the Law, you still have to obey the Law to please God? What message is Acts 15 passing across to you on drawing the line between Christianity and Judaism? 3 Likes |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Ken4Christ: 11:12pm On Feb 04, 2018 |
OkCornel: No, your don't have to keep the law but through the grace of God at work in you, you can now live the good life God wants you to live. 1. God wants you to live a righteous life. This wasn't possible under the law. 2. God wants you to be generous. The Scripture says, he loves a cheerful giver. 3. God wants you to put him first in all that you do. And many more. One great difference btw the Law and grace is that you have to keep the laws to be blessed. But under grace, you can lay claim on your blessing by faith. Again, under the law, no Mercy. It is instant judgment but under grace, God can give you a second chance. I will talk more on this later. It's a whole book. 2 Likes |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by OkCornel(m): 11:19pm On Feb 04, 2018 |
Ken4Christ: Are Christians under any obligation whatsoever to do first-fruits like their brothers in Judaism before they are blessed by God? 7 Likes |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by eddy1977(m): 3:24am On Feb 05, 2018 |
First fruit ![]() It was a shadow in the old testament. The reality now is that Jesus is the first fruit of God. He gave himself as a first fruit on my behalf thru his death and resurrection. It is so liberating to know that my Lord Jesus is my first fruit. Alleluia! 15 Likes |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by OkCornel(m): 10:48am On Feb 05, 2018 |
asuustrike2009: And who is the atheist here? Please read your Bible and show us where God instructed tithes and first fruits to be paid monetarily... Also tell us how you pay yours without telling lies... 5 Likes |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Ken4Christ: 7:08pm On Feb 05, 2018 |
OkCornel: Your relationship with God through Christ already qualifies you for the blessing. But there are different levels of blessings. One person can be more blessed that the other. The Scripture says it's more blessed to give than to receive. Firstfruit is giving to God first from the first income or profit of the year. And it is a great honour to God. This is also consistent with the statement of Jesus which says we should seek first his kingdom. The only submission I made is that the amount you give as fisrtfruut is subject to you. It doesn't have to be the whole salary. But If you have enough daily to give all, good. The more you give, the more the blessing. The Bible says, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. - 2nd Corinthians 9:6. In summary, though the law of Moses has been abolished, the moral principles taught by it is eternal. Why those under the Laws were commanded to obey, we under grace are admonished to do the word. You will not see instructions like give your firstfruit in the new testament but common sense lets you know God should come first in your financial budget. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by OkCornel(m): 6:21am On Feb 06, 2018 |
Ken4Christ: Very good... Remember what I mentioned earlier...unless you want me to paste Acts Chapter 15 here. The Apostles as led by the Holy Spirit already set a distinction between Judaism and Christianity. YOU ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO OBEY THE LAW to prove your righteousness to God. First fruits is not mandatory for a Christian to do. What is required of you is clearly stated in Matthew 25 v 31-46 and in Acts 15. You mentioned that firstfruit is giving to God your first income or profit. Please where did God give that instruction in His word...or is it your interpretation you are using to replace God's definition of first fruit? I think you have to do a thorough research on how first fruit was done in Israel even up to the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. Nothing like money was involved bro...even though gold and silver was available... 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by Ken4Christ: 8:24am On Feb 06, 2018 |
OkCornel: First fruit didn't start with the law. Abel gave of his firstlings and God accepted it. Cain didn't offer his firstfruit and his offering was rejected. So, the foundation of firstfruit was laid hundred of years before the Law just like tithe. I have two books affirming that the church is not under the law of Moses. If I make any reference to the law, it is only to highlight some moral principles that doesn't conflict with divine truths. So, brother, I don't preach the Law of Moses. It has been abolished. But it's moral principles stands. Just like Apostle asked in Rom 3:31, Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Romans 8:3-4 says 3. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: note 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Notice verse 4. That the righteous requirements of the law might fulfilled in us. The law had righteous requirements. And Jesus made it possible for us to live to the standard God had always intended. If what we give and how we give doesn't matter, God wouldn't have responded to the offering of Abel and Cain. If was the offering of Noah that reversed the curse on the ground God placed when Adam sinned. My brother, offering we give is powerful and Jesus doesn't even ask you to pay tithe or give firstfruit. You know why? He wants you to give all. But we know that most people can't do that. So, what do we do? We start from the basis until the day God's grace will be strong enough for you to give all. Evidences that Jesus wants you to give all. First his encounter Jesus had with a rich young ruler, Mark 10 17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. 19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. 20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. 21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. Notice the last verse and the clause, go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast and give. Another occasion Jesus said it in a more generic way when he said, Luke 12:33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. The question then is, why would Jesus require us to sell all that we have? It is the key to supernatural abundance. It is the way to secure your financial future. It is the way to lay poverty to rest. When the young rich ruler couldn't do it, Jesus made some remarks and the very last statement reads, Mark 10. 29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, 30 But he shall receive an HUNDREDFOLD NOW in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life. Notice the bolded. Whatever you give away will come back hundred fold now in this world. Let me stop here for now. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by OkCornel(m): 8:40am On Feb 06, 2018 |
Ken4Christ: And now that we are no longer under the era of the Law...first fruit is not mandatory on anyone...neither is it a condition for you to access the blessings of God made available for those who have faith in Jesus... Jesus is the first fruit and perfect sacrifice with no blemish to help us access God the Father. By the way, are you aware Jesus resurrected on a Jewish holiday when first fruits were offered? Have you bothered asking yourself what message that is passing across to all of Humanity? 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by MANNABBQGRILLS: 11:09am On Jan 01, 2019 |
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Re: Firstfruit Offering Is Scriptural But... by martineverest(m): 11:10am On Jan 01, 2019 |
do people still fall for this extortionism and scams by our men of God? its really appalling that our pastors use flaws and archaic practices in old testament to prey on their gullible members 4 Likes |
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