TheSuperNerd:



Now I understand what you are trying to avoid with Uduokhai....

Elder Sir Kog45 is still feeling the hurt of Tammy's rejection... Dont worry Sir, another "girl" will come along. And "she" will be much better and more beautiful than Tammy.....

Cheer up Sir....

Now Tammy is no more a starter at Swansea,with the signing of Andre ayew from west ham it can only get worst for him,he can't make the Nigeria team we have better players than him

Experience has nothing to do with being good, he could have displaced those who were below par. what i am saying is, if he's that good, he should have made the German team. (If above average). what i believe is that he's average, hence the reason he's not making headlines.

Above average players make headlines everywhere in the world sir.

All the same, if Rohr believes he's better than the ones he's got on ground for now, he can go for him but what i am afraid of is introducing too many new faces thereby killing or distorting the chemistry/team spirit in the team.

We have seen how "average" clubs or country go ahead to win tournaments (Leceister/Greece/Portugal/Zambia). Team spirit and chemistry plays a big role in every team on earth.

Man city used to have world class players/big price players yet kept achieving little or nothing until they got a coach he got players who are/were ready to play for the club, not those who take the team as plan B.

Any player who sees the SE as plan B should never be given a chance, they won't see reason to die for the national team. you need the heart to play for a national team, not just the skill or whatever. this is my grouse sir.

tbaba1234:


I feel like the problem is that very few have watched this guy play.

He has played 19 times, this season alone and we are at the mid-way point. Not in 2017 as a whole. He joined July 2017. And yes, he is an outstanding prospect. He is a regular starter unless injured. In his first season,nonetheless. He has come in as a youngster and displaced players with more experience.

Omeruo could not cut it in the championship. Balogun has been relegated to the bench, Ekong is in Turkey.

Certainly, a 20 year commanding regular football in the bundesliga in his first season is a top prospect.

This guy is linked to Arsenal to a summer transfer to Arsenal to replace the retiring Mertesacker.

'Sportsmail can reveal Mainz's Abdou Diallo and Wolfsburg's Ohis Felix Uduokhai are two central defenders already earmarked to replace club captain Per Mertesacker, who will join Arsenal's academy in a coaching capacity at the end of the season.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5184565/Arsenal-squad-set-huge-shake-up.html

andrew444:


Now Tammy is no more a starter at Swansea,with the signing of Andre ayew from west ham it can only get worst for him,he can't make the Nigeria team we have better players than him

Yeah.... Just maybe we dodged a bullet with Tammy after all....

Who knows?

TheSuperNerd:


Yeah.... Just maybe we dodged a bullet with Tammy after all....

Who knows?

I never fancied the guy,many Nigerians see any England or others country brought up as a inclusion to the eagles quickly,I doubt England will call him for their next friendly

somehow:


Any player who sees the SE as plan B should never be given a chance, they won't see reason to die for the national team. you need the heart to play for a national team, not just the skill or whatever. this is my grouse sir.

I thought this issue has been thoroughly trashed on here and squashed as a myth we choose to believe to sooth our frail ego?

You should know that if given an opportunity, most of these foreign borns will choose their class A European countries ahead of us. There is absolutely no shame accepting that.

What we need to do now is clean our image and build up our reputation to be more appealing and make it easier for players to choose us. I think we're on the right path in that regard

I know what they have, just trying to know why he thinks the guy is above average

TheSuperNerd:
Come on guys... chillax... The German national team got lots of quality in their defence. Check these out,

Nicklas Sulé, Antonio Rudiger, Willi Orban, Mathias Ginter, Skodran Mustafi, Jonathan Tah.... etc are all quality CB options for Germany.

The first choice CBs are Jerome Boateng and Mats Hummels.

Now ask yourself... compared to our own defensive options, does Uduokahi's quality stand a chance of breaking in ahead of even Rudiger, Sulé, Tah or Mustafi??!!! That is four bad-ass options here and there is still Hummels and Boateng at the very top of the pile... Holy Moses!!!!


Nigeria boasts of only Balogun, Ekong, Awaziem and Omeruo as Fine Quality... who else do we have as Fine quality? Efe Ambrose?? Uche Agbo? Abeg who? Do you see the issue here?


So Felix Uduokahi's inability to break into the Germany squad will not be based on his potentials, quality or abilty because those are not in doubt. It will rather be based on the guys already ahead of him who also boast similar potentials and abilities like him. Guys like Tah, Sulé, and co for instance.


So biko... let us not use that "let him break into Germany squad first if he is that good" mentality to rate him because truth is even our own Awaziem will not find it funny breaking into that same German side.

That is all I wanna say to set matters straight here. Uduokhai is a top quality young CB and that cannot be taken away from him. Period.

andrew444:


How many match did must played before you can consider him a flop? 18 premier league games and 2 goals and you call him a flop,a winger for that matter?How many starts in those 18 games? That guy was not given a chance okay,ranieri was sacked and the other coaches didnt give him a chance so he is not a flop,how many games did he played under craig skahespare before he was scaked? he even score 3 goals for shakesspare in the cup,2 against everton and 1 against 1 other team,under appelton and puel he was pushed to the u23 so how has he flopped? demerai gray who is also a young english winger how many goals has he scored?will they also call him a flop?

Couldn't have said it better.

Musa was just unlucky to have coaches with little or no faith in him

somehow:
Experience has nothing to do with being good, he could have displaced those who were below par. what i am saying is, if he's that good, he should have made the German team. (If above average). what i believe is that he's average, hence the reason he's not making headlines.

Above average players make headlines everywhere in the world sir.

All the same, if Rohr believes he's better than the ones he's got on ground for now, he can go for him but what i am afraid of is introducing too many new faces thereby killing or distorting the chemistry/team spirit in the team.

We have seen how "average" clubs or country go ahead to win tournaments (Leceister/Greece/Portugal/Zambia). Team spirit and chemistry plays a big role in every team on earth.

Man city used to have world class players/big price players yet kept achieving little or nothing until they got a coach he got players who are/were ready to play for the club, not those who take the team as plan B.

Any player who sees the SE as plan B should never be given a chance, they won't see reason to die for the national team. you need the heart to play for a national team, not just the skill or whatever. this is my grouse sir.

The core of Rohr's squad is known. At least 15-17 players are known Anyone who thinks he will make rapid changes does not know the man. He will only introduce players that can improve areas in his team.

A kid in his first season in the top flight has to be out of this world to get into the jam-packed German squad. Na so easy to enter the current germany squad?? The fact that he is being courted by big clubs gives you an idea of his potential.

Even if Udokhai makes the team, i do not expect him to start because he is new. He would be brought on if we have to defend a lead.

darkelf:


Couldn't have said it better.

Musa was just unlucky to have coaches with little or no faith in him

Yes my broda,the British are quick to label others country player a flop but not their own,saido berahino of stoke has not scored a premier league goal since January 2017 but I am still yet to hear stoke flop and they are still giving him chance to improve if na others country dem go don sell am

We should clean our house and reputation before they decide to play for us? who is the we? meaning the players seeing us as Plan B aren't among the "we"? like they are foreigners or mercenaries?

Balogun, Trooks, Ebuehi didn't see us as plan B, same with others so i am not against FBP, only against the plan B players.

SerVik:

I thought this issue has been thoroughly trashed on here and squashed as a myth we choose to believe to sooth our frail ego?

You should know that if given an opportunity, most of these foreign borns will choose their class A European countries ahead of us. There is absolutely no shame accepting that.

What we need to do now is clean our image and build up our reputation to be more appealing and make it easier for players to choose us. I think we're on the right path in that regard

If he won't be starting, then i don't see why we even need him now, but if the coach thinks he is what he needs, what can i do? it's his responsibility, but i don't see a 20 years old as our lord and savior at the back. our 5 and 6 currently playing for us are ahead of him. yes i said so.

One of the reasons Rohr prolly wants him i think has to do with his height, the "short" man is obsessed with "tall things"

tbaba1234:


The core of Rohr's squad is known. At least 15-17 players are known Anyone who thinks he will make rapid changes does not know the man. He will only introduce players that can improve areas in his team.

A kid in his first season in the top flight has to be out of this world to get into the jam-packed German squad. Na so easy to enter the current germany squad?? The fact that he is being courted by big clubs gives you an idea of his potential.

Even if Udokhai makes the team, i do not expect him to start because he is new. He would be brought on if we have to defend a lead.

somehow:
We should clean our house and reputation before they decide to play for us? who is the we? meaning the players seeing us as Plan B aren't among the "we"? like they are foreigners or mercenaries?

Balogun, Trooks, Ebuehi didn't see us as plan B, same with others so i am not against FBP, only against the plan B players.

You CHOOSE to believe they did not see us as a plan B, it doesn't make it true. Even balogun said it would have been a difficult choice if Germany had come knocking. It was an easy choice for these guys because they were not in the frame for their foreign teams. It was, practically speaking, play for Nigeria or forget international football.

Please list all the foreign borns playing for Nigeria and tell me which of them received an invitation from their foreign nation and rejected it in favour of nigeria

somehow:
If he won't be starting, then i don't see why we even need him now, but if the coach thinks he is what he needs, what can i do? it's his responsibility, but i don't see a 20 years old as our lord and savior at the back. our 5 and 6 currently playing for us are ahead of him. yes i said so.

One of the reasons Rohr prolly wants him i think has to do with his height, the "short" man is obsessed with "tall things"

He is as good as the best CB we have. I only feel he won't start because of being fairly new not because of quality. I will pick him over Omeruo easily.

How many players who have a real chance to play for a top country would choose Nigeria instead?

At the time, Iwobi, Moses, Balogun, Ekong, Ikeme, Ebuehi, Idowu, chose to play for Nigeria, they were not in contention for their other team .

Sir, read some of their interviews, we have articles posted here about them. i didn't "choose" to "believe", i am reacting based on what the article quoted them saying. Did the guy in question get invitation and rejected it?

Ebuehi is one that is close to rejecting that of Holland.

SerVik:

You CHOOSE to believe they did not see us as a plan B, it doesn't make it true. Even balogun said it would have been a difficult choice if Germany had come knocking. It was an easy choice for these guys because they were not in the frame for their foreign teams. It was, practically speaking, play for Nigeria or forget international football.

Please list all the foreign borns playing for Nigeria and tell me which of them received an invitation from their foreign nation and rejected it in favour of nigeria

But Omeruo isn't even among the first 3 CBs na lol

Anyways, i know Omeue is not above average and not even average hence the reason he doesn't even start for us IMO.

His height is a plus to the NT if ROhr gets him to play.

tbaba1234:


He is as good as the best CB we have. I only feel he won't start because of being fairly new not because of quality. I will pick him over Omeruo easily.

SerVik:

I thought this issue has been thoroughly trashed on here and squashed as a myth we choose to believe to sooth our frail ego?

You should know that if given an opportunity, most of these foreign borns will choose their class A European countries ahead of us. There is absolutely no shame accepting that.

What we need to do now is clean our image and build up our reputation to be more appealing and make it easier for players to choose us. I think we're on the right path in that regard

Exactly what I wanted to say.

If my son had the opportunity to break into the Spanish team today, I'd unapologetically advice him to go for it, that might be the best career decision he'd ever make.


These people think we have a team filled with World Class players, when in reality almost all our players are either average or below average

tbaba1234:


As long as, he is respectful. There is no big deal if he chooses Germany.

NFF spooked the English FA on Tammy. Germany on the other hand can have 4 full teams at the moment. They would mind less losing Uduokhai.

Uduokhai is not even in the 4 full of teams of Germany,better for him to decide now or he lose it cos playing for Germany he is on the long thing.

somehow:
Sir, read some of their interviews, we have articles posted here about them. i didn't "choose" to "believe", i am reacting based on what the article quoted them saying. Did the guy in question get invitation and rejected it?

Ebuehi is one that is close to rejecting that of Holland.

I didn't join the argument in support or otherwise of the invitation of udokhai, I only reacted to a statement you made and seeing that we had treated that issue at a point, when Mujtahida and joebie schooled us, I decided to chip in.

See, as a player, these guys make decisions for career advancement. In deciding which country to play for, it is easy for these guys to choose the glamorous European teams. I said we should clean our house and you misconstrued it.

We can clean our house by eliminating corruption in our teams. Tell me our team isn't more attractive with Rohr? This is a man that would make calls to clubsides to find out why his players are not playing, a coach that looks for club for his players, th at is career advancement, every player would want that kind of coach.

My qualm with your patriotism argument is that you are pinning the patriot tag on people that had it easy, they never had to make the hard choice.
You speak about Ebuehi, I admire the young man but if we're being honest, at this point the super Eagles is more attractive than the Dutch national team. Fact. And he never even got the invite.

junnyjake:


Exactly what I wanted to say.

If my son had the opportunity to break into the Spanish team today, I'd unapologetically advice him to go for it, that might be the best career decision he'd ever make.


These people think we have a team filled with World Class players, when in reality almost all our players are either average or below average

Pls what is really World Class player and what do you mean by our players are either average or below average.

Pls tell me any of these FB that's world class cos the way we are rating our players look diminishing and disturbing.

It was on this thread we turned Tammy to gold whereas the boy cannot even lace Iheanacho or Iwobi shoe.

Kog45:
Pls what is really World Class player and what do you mean by our players are either average or below average.

Pls tell me any of these FB that's world class cos the way we are rating our players look diminishing and disturbing.

It was on this thread we turned Tammy to gold whereas the boy cannot even lace Iheanacho or Iwobi shoe.

My point was simple.

- We don't have a team filled with World Class players.

- These foreign born(s) are not World Class either.

- These guys are Nigerians like those that were born at home, then why set the bar higher when considering them? That's unfair to me.

- In summary, our players are average just like the FBs are, no much difference.

¡Es sencillamente simple!

SerVik:

I didn't join the argument in support or otherwise of the invitation of udhokai, I only reacted to a statement you made and seeing that we had treated that issue at a point, when Mujtahida and jobie schooled us, I decided to chip in.

See, as a player, these guys make decisions for career advancement. In deciding which country to play for, it is easy for these guys to choose the glamorous European teams. I said we should clean our house and you misconstrued it.

We can clean our house by eliminating corruption in our teams. Tell me our team isn't more attractive with Rohr? This is a man that would make calls to clubsides to find out why his players are not playing, a coach that looks for club for his players, th at is career advancement, every player would want that kind of coach.

My brunt with your patriotism argument is that you are pinning the patriot tag on people that had it easy, they never had to make the hard choice.
You speak about Ebuehi, I admire the young man but if we're being honest, at this point the super Eagles is more attractive than the Dutch national team. Fact.

My man i get your point and agreed but Super Eagles has been attractive for so long depends on what you mean by attractive,any FB who is damn serious knows this that Nigeria is solid when it comes to Football.

I remember Tunji Banjo a thorough FB who played for Nigeria in 1980 Afcon,John Chiedozie too in the 80s,Reuben Agboola in early 90s,Efan Ekoku in the mid 90s,George Abbey,Sodjes,Danny Shittu,Shola Ameobi,Sone Aluko,Hope Akpan,Victor Mosea etc.

Remember Balogun and Ekong were discovered by Keshi and Iwobi by Siasia not even Rohr,just to tell you the team has been attractive to those FB that value it.

junnyjake:


My point was simple.

- We don't have a team filled with World Class players.

- These foreign born(s) are not World Class either.

- These guys are Nigerians like those that were born at home, then why set the bar higher when considering them? That's unfair to me.

- In summary, our players are average just like the FBs are, no much difference.

¡Es sencillamente simple!

Who set the bar higher?they should come in and perform like any other super eagles players,Nigerian fans are so passionate,nothing like FB or home grown foreign base players,perform and get the shirt.

Kog45:
My man Super Eagles has been attractive for so long depends on what you mean by attractive,any FB who is damn serious knows this that Nigeria is solid when it comes to Football.

We are speaking relatively here. Super Eagles has always been attractive, yes! But in relation to countries like Germany, that attractiveness pales. That is the point.

Kog45:
set the bar higher?

Yes sir!

When it comes to foreign born, we suddenly want them to be World Class before they can break into the team.

junnyjake:



Yes sir!

When it comes to foreign born, we suddenly want them to be World Class before they can break into the team.

OK is Balogun or Ekong world class player.

SerVik:

We are speaking relatively here. Super Eagles has always been attractive, yes! But in relation to countries like Germany, that attractiveness pales. That is the point.

OK let me ask you a question,tell me which national team is more attractive between Brazil and Spain

Kog45:
OK let me ask you a question,tell me which national team is more attractive between Brazil and Spain

Everybody knows it's TOGO'S national team

Kog45:
OK let me ask you a question,tell me which national team is more attractive between Brazil and Spain

When you talk of attractiveness, it is Brazil, they have a richer footballing culture but the Gulf in attractiveness between the two is not that big, they are both very attractive and I classify both as class A.

When you talk about Nigeria and Germany, keep patriotism aside and view with a clear mind, you'll see that German national team is way more attractive to players than the super Eagles.

SerVik:

When you talk of attractiveness, it is Brazil, they have a richer footballing culture but the Gulf in attractiveness between the two is not that big, they are both very attractive and I classify both as class A.

When you talk about Nigeria and Germany, keep patriotism aside and view with a clear mind, you'll see that German national team is way more attractive to players than the super Eagles.

Yea I got your point and am not basing my comments so far on patriotism.

It would be stupid to compare Nigeria and Germany when it comes to attractiveness but my point is this do we need to be attractive like Germany and the likes to attract our FBs.

Nerdie, no one is doubting Uduokahi's quality. You don't play CB in Bundesliga without being a top quality player. But that's not the point tho.

The million dollar question is, does he want to play for us? Is he willing to commit to us? If the young man has committed to us then case closed, he should get an invite asap. He's better, or at least on par, with any one of our Center Backs right now.


O pari

TheSuperNerd:
Come on guys... chillax... The German national team got lots of quality in their defence. Check these out,

Nicklas Sulé, Antonio Rudiger, Willi Orban, Mathias Ginter, Skodran Mustafi, Jonathan Tah.... etc are all quality CB options for Germany.

The first choice CBs are Jerome Boateng and Mats Hummels.

Now ask yourself... compared to our own defensive options, does Uduokahi's quality stand a chance of breaking in ahead of even Rudiger, Sulé, Tah or Mustafi??!!! That is four bad-ass options here and there is still Hummels and Boateng at the very top of the pile... Holy Moses!!!!


Nigeria boasts of only Balogun, Ekong, Awaziem and Omeruo as Fine Quality... who else do we have as Fine quality? Efe Ambrose?? Uche Agbo? Abeg who? Do you see the issue here?


So Felix Uduokahi's inability to break into the Germany squad will not be based on his potentials, quality or abilty because those are not in doubt. It will rather be based on the guys already ahead of him who also boast similar potentials and abilities like him. Guys like Tah, Sulé, and co for instance.


So biko... let us not use that "let him break into Germany squad first if he is that good" mentality to rate him because truth is even our own Awaziem will not find it funny breaking into that same German side.

That is all I wanna say to set matters straight here. Uduokhai is a top quality young CB and that cannot be taken away from him. Period.

elyte89:




Everybody knows it's TOGO'S national team

Pls be serious for once cos when you post "Ajiboye is not in Rohr's plan"a lot did not take you serious,suspecting normal elyte until TheSuperNerd confirmed it.