I am tossing him like marine debris. He is such an intellectually dishonest person.

Jozzy4:


He can never answer

It will expose his confused state and poor knowledge.

ChristianFreedo:


Common sense will tell you

Mr. Common sense, I humbly request that you do not run away from the thread that you have opened. We can both play in the rain.

I thought that you were on a mission to expose people. I asked you to expose Revelation 21:1 to us and you have suddenly disappeared into thin air. Are you searching for another property to steal? Ensure to come along with the approval certificate.

I told you that you need to be schooled and sound to come out publicly to smear others.

removetheturban:
Has common sense suddenly become a decider? We are here, let us finish with one than swinging left to right. Answer my question

So in other word, no response? Because it affect person of interest?

removetheturban:
I thought that you were on a mission to expose people. I asked you to expose Revelation 21:1 to us and you have suddenly disappeared into thin air. Are you searching for another property to steal? Ensure to come along with the approval certificate.

I told you that you need to be schooled and sound to come out publicly to smear others.

Just this simple question. Go through this post

https://www.nairaland.com/4302368/great-tribulations-after-rapture#64379971

Is the above post a stolen property?

Thank God you have been found. Kindly expose Revelation 21:1 What is the old heaven that will pass away?

ChristianFreedo:


So in other word, no response? Because it affect person of interest?

Are you trying to run away from this particular case? We have a stolen property that we are dealing with right now and we have an alleged criminal. Why can't we deal with this case before he escapes?

ChristianFreedo:


Just this simple question. Go through this post

https://www.nairaland.com/4302368/great-tribulations-after-rapture#64379971

Is the above post a stolen property?

removetheturban:
Are you trying to run away from this particular case? We have a stolen property that we are dealing with right now and we have an alleged criminal. Why can't we deal with this case before he escapes?

Just this simple question. Go through this post

https://www.nairaland.com/4302368/great-tribulations-after-rapture#64379971

Is the above post a stolen property by a Jehovah’s Witnesses on nairaland?

You have allegedly stolen a property and instead of owning up, you are shifting the blame. Is that befitting of a Christian?

You are running away from answering a simple question that JW answer every day. But you are here to expose the JW hahaha. Aren't you supposed to be teaching the truth about the Bible? You wrote a full page of deleterious and vicious content against the JW but you cannot write one single line to explicate the word of God. Are you then a follower of Jesus or a follower of uncertified bloggers?

ChristianFreedo:


Just this simple question. Go through this post

https://www.nairaland.com/4302368/great-tribulations-after-rapture#64379971

Is the above post a stolen property by a Jehovah’s Witnesses on nairaland?

removetheturban:
You have allegedly stolen a property and instead of owning up, you are shifting the blame. Is that befitting of a Christian?

You are running away from answering a simple question that JW answer every day. But you are here to expose the JW hahaha. Aren't you supposed to be teaching the truth about the Bible? You wrote a full page of deleterious and vicious content against the JW but you cannot write one single line to explicate the word of God. Are you then a follower of Jesus or a follower of uncertified bloggers?

I see you have no common sense. Therefore, I will respond no more to your questions. So have a good day.

Clearly, your Poor knowledge was exposed , Let's examine the content of your response

ChristianFreedo:


The alternative is seek your salvation in Jesus Christ, the author and finisher of your faith. Give your life to him, accept him as your Lord and savior, your mediator and you will have a beautiful reward as sons of God. That is the alternative.

- You haven't provide any alternative, Do Jehovah's witnesses told you they don't accept Jesus as lord and saviour ??

Wait, How does a person show they accept Christ as Lord , BY MOUTH ( saying " Lord, Lord " ?

Infact explain

I will be glad to hear your response on this .

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As you have seen above, the organisation of Jehovah's witnesses continue to place emphasis on salvation by their organisation, asking witnesses to put faith in the organisation as a means of salvation, without which, they claim one cannot have a relation with God. By such indoctrination, the watchtower assumes the role of Christ mediatorship, as" the way, the truth and the life" (they even teach that Christ Jesus is not a mediator for all Jehovah's witnesses)

The problem I see is that Witnesses read biblical statement, then automatically adjust them to fit the organisation concept. In that sense, witnesses will frequently ask you "where should i go", "show us something better", "show us the true organisation you want to join". That is mainly because, worship of God and gaining his favor has been tied to a place or a location (where) -just as when Israel tied worship to the temple in Jerusalem and the Samaritans to the mountains) and not to an individual (whom).

In that way, when Jesus asked his disciples, “You do not want to go also, do you?” Peter responded, “Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life.” (Jn 6:67,68) Jehovah's witnesses, in quoting the text to favor staying in the watchtower organisation will say: "where should do you want to go to?", "show us something better", "show us the true organisation you want to join".

But peter did not say "where", but he said, “whom shall we go away to?”. Peter did not express faith in an organisation, but in Jesus himself, saying “you [Jesus Christ] have sayings of everlasting life.” But due to indoctrination the mind of Jehovah's witnesses makes an automatic switch, replacing the person, Jesus (whom), with “the organization”, (where)

That the organization wants you to make this transference. This is how the organisation has become an idol, a stumbling block, to Jehovah's witness, becoming a mediator in place of Jesus. It's is not wonder they can teach that Jesus does not mediate for all Jehovah's witnesses.

How did the apostle's and first century Christians carry out Meeting together and the preaching work ... Each in isolation or as an organized group ? Act 15:2, 22,23

Did Jesus ( the Master ) prophesy that his congregation would be catered for through a channel ? Matthew 24:45,46

Kindly respond, and let's see if your accept Christ in isolation theory fits with what is happening among the faithful early Christians.

However, contrary to such notion, the bible in nowhere teaches that salvation is through any religious organisation or man made organisation. Reading through the bible, Genesis to Revelation, what is clear is, we are called to put faith in God, faith in his Son, faith in the Word of God, the bible for salvation, but nowhere are we taught to put faith in men or in an organisation.

So, to your question again, where will i go or show you something better? My answer is, why do i need to go anywhere? Why do i need to show you somewhere better? While i can only point to who is better. I point you to Jesus Christ, the one to whom all nations of the earth will bow before. My Lord and my savior.

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The problem of replacing Jesus and simple christian brother into an organisation of power and control did not start today. It started hundreds of years of ago. Below are some materials for you to go through at your own time. In chapter 3, Centralized Authority, the subheading is Salvation Only In and Through the Religious Organization, in the book [url=]In search of Christian Freedom[/url], you may find the article really enlightening.

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Are the first century Christians under a Centralized authority ?

If Yes, does it replace Jesus as Lord ?

By the time you respond to all this, We will see if you really know what you are saying or you are just deceiving yourself .

Expecting your responses

HAHA Ludicrous! You hate being dragged, yeah? You claimed to have come to expose the JW. You did that by posting a property stolen from another website without the consent or approval of the owner. The most obtuse part is believing that you are the one exposing and not realising that you are the stealer allegedly guilty of online crimes.

Let us be fair, the owner took his time to research and compose the property that you stole and he probably hopes to rake in revenue to keep his business moving. That was someone's hard work and presumably sleepness nights that you copied(stole as defined by the legislation) from his own website and posted on another website. It is an evil act by the law guiding copyright and e-commerce.

Instead of owning up and admitting your fault, you pointed fingers and attempted to move me to another thread through puerile deception and a rigmarole. Your asking what I can do proves that you are aware of your alleged crimes and that it was intentional and pre-meditated. You showed no remorse at all and you might be an alleged serial offender.

I proceeded to ask for an explication of Revelation 21:1 but seeing that you have no answer to my question, you opted for the easiest way out, to stop responding to me. Is it a crime to ask a question? Are you no longer the one who came to expose stuff? I asked a question from the Bible which you clearly affirmed that you believe in. Why are you running away?

You came out here looking for JW, here is one. I am here to talk strictly from the Bible (that you and I believe in) and no blogs or articles attached. Let us glide using the Bible.

ChristianFreedo:


I see you have no common sense. Therefore, I will respond no more to your questions. So have a good day.

You have escaped but not for long. I am following you and we will keep meeting here on Nairaland. I see you online now but you are running away from a thread that you opened and enthusiastically overwhelmed with smear and despicable blasphemy. Come, let us discuss the Bible and do not run away.

Jozzy4:
Clearly, your Poor knowledge was exposed , Let's examine the content of your response



- You haven't provide any alternative, Do Jehovah's witnesses told you they don't accept Jesus as lord and saviour ??

Wait, How does a person show they accept Christ as Lord , BY MOUTH ( saying " Lord, Lord " ?

Infact explain

I will be glad to hear your response on this .



How did the apostle's and first century Christians carry out Meeting together and the preaching work ... Each in isolation or as an organized group ? Act 15:2, 22,23

Did Jesus ( the Master ) prophesy that his congregation would be catered for through a channel ? Matthew 24:45,46

Kindly respond, and let's see if your accept Christ in isolation theory fits with what is happening among the faithful early Christians.




Are the first century Christians under a Centralized authority ?

If Yes, does it replace Jesus as Lord ?

By the time you respond to all this, We will see if you really know what you are saying or you are just deceiving yourself .

Expecting your responses

At the bolded, refer to my post on preaching work

https://www.nairaland.com/3218197/jehovahs-witnesses-todays-watchtower-study


For centralized control and administration, please refer to my post here.

https://www.nairaland.com/3765935/serious-problem-watchtower-study-23rd

Any question, you ask them in each of those post.

You can talk here and not run away to another thread. As a matter of fact, you opened this thread. Why can't you answer my question on Revelation 21:1? Are you not going to expose Revelation 21:1?

ChristianFreedo:


At the bolded, refer to my post on preaching work

https://www.nairaland.com/3218197/jehovahs-witnesses-todays-watchtower-study


For centralized control and administration, please refer to my post here.

https://www.nairaland.com/3765935/serious-problem-watchtower-study-23rd

Any question, you ask them in each of those post.

ChristianFreedo:


At the bolded, refer to my post on preaching work

https://www.nairaland.com/3218197/jehovahs-witnesses-todays-watchtower-study

Comprehension, My post wasn't about preaching work ... Its about ORGANIZATION, Your earlier rants was that believing in Jesus doesn't require the presence of any organization.

To which I asked ; How did the first century Christians carry out preaching work and meetings , If they ain't organized ? Is it each person doing their thing in isolation ?

So simple, respond .

For centralized control and administration, please refer to my post here.

https://www.nairaland.com/3765935/serious-problem-watchtower-study-23rd

Any question, you ask them in each of those post.

I didn't ask for all that irrelevant quotes, am discussing the bible with you . Speak!

Are the first century Christians under a Centralized authority ?

We just wanna know of centralized authority is scriptural or not .

Mr speak your mind and stop referencing . State what you believe in this points and.let's use the Bible as our guide .

Now , Back to the issue of alternative which you failed to address, How does a person shows they have accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour ? Is it by MOUTH ( saying I accept Jesus as Lord , or shouting " Lord " " Lord " ) what exactly does it mean ? let's see if you really understand what you are saying .

Expecting your response

removetheturban:
You can talk here and not run away to another thread. As a matter of fact, you opened this thread. Why can't you answer my question on Revelation 21:1? Are you not going to expose Revelation 21:1?

I know it will come to that, he will keep running from pillar to post when it comes to Scripture .

As seen, His Poor state of knowledge is easily exposed.

Jozzy4:


Comprehension, My post wasn't about preaching work ... Its about ORGANIZATION, Your earlier rants was that believing in Jesus doesn't require the presence of any organization.

To which I asked ; How did the first century Christians carry out preaching work and meetings , If they ain't organized ? Is it each person doing their thing in isolation ?

So simple, respond .



I didn't ask for all that irrelevant quotes, am discussing the bible with you . Speak!

Are the first century Christians under a Centralized authority ?

We just wanna know of centralized authority is scriptural or not .

Mr speak your mind and stop referencing . State what you believe in this points and.let's use the Bible as our guide .

Now , Back to the issue of alternative which you failed to address, How does a person shows they have accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour ? Is it by MOUTH ( saying I accept Jesus as Lord , or shouting " Lord " " Lord " ) what exactly does it mean ? let's see if you really understand what you are saying .

Expecting your response

The Watchtower study was on centralized authority, which it claim the first century Christian was, which is not true.

The post I referred you to discuss the issue of centralized authority. Here is the link again.

https://www.nairaland.com/3765935/serious-problem-watchtower-study-23rd

Why are you scared to answer my question?

ChristianFreedo:


The Watchtower study was on centralized authority, which it claim the first century Christian was, which is not true.

The post I referred you to discuss the issue if centralized authority. Here is the link again.

https://www.nairaland.com/3765935/serious-problem-watchtower-study-23rd

removetheturban:
You can talk here and not run away to another thread. As a matter of fact, you opened this thread. Why can't you answer my question on Revelation 21:1? Are you not going to expose Revelation 21:1?

I asked you earlier, if I should give you the meaning and feel Re 21:1, will you accept it even if it does not agree with watchtower publication?

That is an erratic question. Just answer my question already, Mr. Exposer.

Before posting that full page of smear, and asking JW to defend the lies, did you ask if the JW will agree with the material that you stole, allegedly? This is not the first question I have asked you. Why did you answer others and not this one?

The truth is that you have searched your archive of vendetta and you just haven't found any related topic that has an answer to my question.You are buying time for yourself. -

ChristianFreedo:


I asked you earlier, if I should give you the meaning and feel Re 21:1, will you accept it even if it does not agree with watchtower publication?

I confess to only reading the first post. It doesn't sound any different to what any church would do. They all know the profit of book publishing, and personally, considering how few books are available in Nigeria, if for nothing else, I commend them. People will be stupider without them!

One thing I get from it however is that the Orolu Library Book of the Month will be 1984. Thanks.

ChristianFreedo:



The Watchtower study was on centralized authority, which it claim the first century Christian was, which is not true.


The post I referred you to discuss the issue of centralized authority. Here is the link again.

https://www.nairaland.com/3765935/serious-problem-watchtower-study-23rd

I know you will keep presenting links up and down, which expose your very Poor knowledge of scripture PUBLICLY



--- Regarding the bold, Kindly tell me why every Christian congregation rely on the decision of the Body of Elders in Jerusalem if they are not under a centralized authority ?

Question 1 .

°°° I see you have avoided the issue of either those who accept Jesus as Lord worship each in isolation OR as a group of organized Christians in the first century, waiting for your view ?

°°° What does it mean to accept Jesus as Lord which you prescribed as alternative, By Saying " Lord " by mouth ? how exactly ?


Respond with appropriate scriptures not link .

Jozzy4:




I know you will keep presenting links up and down, which expose your very Poor knowledge of scripture PUBLICLY



--- Regarding the bold, Kindly tell me why every Christian congregation rely on the decision of the Body of Elders in Jerusalem if they are not under a centralized authority ?

Question 1 .

°°° I see you have avoided the issue of either those who accept Jesus as Lord worship each in isolation OR as a group of organized Christians in the first century, waiting for your view ?

°°° What does it mean to accept Jesus as Lord which you prescribed as alternative, By Saying " Lord " by mouth ? how exactly ?


Respond with appropriate scriptures not link .

Let's deal with one issue at a time. If we are going to deal with what it takes to have everlasting life, we deal with it. If we are going to deal with if there was a central control or government of the first century where all christian congregation depended on for decisions, as done by watchtower organisation today, then let's deal with it.

I am ready!!!.
Open a thread on any of the two, present your evidence to support your claim as a Jehovah's witness, scriptural evidence. Then tag me, I will respond with a counter evidence, that is if you are wrong.

Choose one topic out of the two. Present your evidence. Then when we are satisfied with it, we move to another.

The two topics are:
1. What does it does it take for one to get save and have everlasting life as a christian. Or most specifically, is a belonging to a religious organisation like watchtower a requirement for everlasting life? (So the question is not if they worship as a group or as an isolated christian, the question is if belonging to a religious organisation, especially watchtower, a requirement for inheriting God's kingdom)
2. Is there any evidence to prove that they was a central control of the christian congregation in the first century?

Open a thread. Choose one topic at a time. Present your evidence. Then tag me. I will present a contrary evidence. One thread for each topic.


Jozzy4

If you have any issues or questions, open a thread and present it. Do not ask someone to open a thread by giving them options on what to post and how to compose it. JW do not come here to win arguments or a prize by empty reasonings.
We are seeking deserving ones to share the message about the kingdom with not idealists like you.

ChristianFreedo:


Let's deal with one issue at a time. If we are going to deal with what it takes to have everlasting life, we deal with it. If we are going to deal with if there was a central control or government of the first century where all christian congregation depended on for decisions, as done by watchtower organisation today, then let's deal with it.

I am ready!!!.
Open a thread on any of the two, present your evidence to support your claim as a Jehovah's witness, scriptural evidence. Then tag me, I will respond with a counter evidence, that is if you are wrong.

Choose one topic out of the two. Present your evidence. Then when we are satisfied with it, we move to another.

The two topics are:
1. What does it does it take for one to get save and have everlasting life as a christian. Or most specifically, is a belonging to a religious organisation like watchtower a requirement for everlasting life? (So the question is not if they worship as a group or as an isolated christian, the question is if belonging to a religious organisation, especially watchtower, a requirement for inheriting God's kingdom)
2. Is there any evidence to prove that they was a central control of the christian congregation in the first century?

Open a thread. Choose one topic at a time. Present your evidence. Then tag me. I will present a contrary evidence. One thread for each topic.


Jozzy4

ChristianFreedo:


I see you have no common sense. Therefore, I will respond no more to your questions. So have a good day.

I know you will want to claim that you have nothing to hide. If that is the case your username"christianfreedo" is coined from the book In search of christian freedom written by Raymond Franz a former governing body member of the Jws. Despite there is nothing bad picking a book and reading its content. Yet, that does not give you room to speak as if you are the only one that has picked up that book and read. In your heart of heart you will definitely have loved to have a one on one conversation on so many things he emphasised in his book but that is not possible. To fuel your passion for his work here you are doing exactly opposite of what he himself will outrightly condemn. Attack attack attack the Jws. You are losing the plot man. If I may ask, do you have half as much experience as Mr Raymond in all of these matters. Have you suffered as much as he? Have you had the chance to have read many of the books he had the privilege of reading? I can outrightly say NO on your behalf. Mr Raymond richly appreciate the Jws as sincere and thanked them greatly for giving him privilege of having the knowledge he possessed. Have you done that yourself?

Jozzy4:




I know you will keep presenting links up and down, which expose your very Poor knowledge of scripture PUBLICLY



--- Regarding the bold, Kindly tell me why every Christian congregation rely on the decision of the Body of Elders in Jerusalem if they are not under a centralized authority ?

Question 1 .

°°° I see you have avoided the issue of either those who accept Jesus as Lord worship each in isolation OR as a group of organized Christians in the first century, waiting for your view ?

°°° What does it mean to accept Jesus as Lord which you prescribed as alternative, By Saying " Lord " by mouth ? how exactly ?


Respond with appropriate scriptures not link .

His point of reference will centre on this two materials Crisis of conscience and In search of Christian freedom both written by Raymond Franz. Definitely he(christianfreedo) is having his own crisis of conscience and definitely searching for christian freedom. Mr Raymond can only talk when he was finally disfellowship/disassociated. He talked and wrote the books only because he had pressures all around him considering his status within the organization previously.You claim to still be inside of the organization and you are talking silently using the social media. It only means one thing. You know that already. Its easy to say the Jws parrot what the organization dictates. Oga christianfreedo wetin you dey parrot? Words of who? Learn to live quietly and mind your business it might be difficult for you to do just as it is difficult for every christian to do. Yet me must stive hard to do it. But there are boundaries. You have yours set already, keep to it.

achorladey:


His point of reference will centre on this two materials Crisis of conscience and In search of Christian freedom both written by Raymond Franz. Definitely he(christianfreedo) is having his own crisis of conscience and definitely searching for christian freedom.

Mr Raymond can only talk when he was finally disfellowship/disassociated. He talked and wrote the books only because he had pressures all around him considering his status within the organization previously.

You claim to still be inside of the organization and you are talking silently using the social media. It only means one thing. You know that already. Its easy to say the Jws parrot what the organization dictates.

Oga christianfreedo wetin you dey parrot? Words of who? Learn to live quietly and mind your business it might be difficult for you to do just as it is difficult for every christian to do. Yet me must stive hard to do it. But there are boundaries. You have yours set already, keep to it.

Let me respond!!!

1. Whatever the point of reference is, there are opposing views. To you, and to other jws, your views and point of reference is the watchtower organization, what they teach, preach, hope and believe becomes your point of view and reference. To me, it's the opposite. Whether it is based on the works of Ray Frank, or Paul grudy or anyone else. That's not the important thing. Christians have their point of reference from Jesus (since point of reference is the word we are using now), the same was true of the apostles. So, the issue is not about point of reference. It is actually about the rightness or wrongness of a doctrine or policy, not who actually help you to see such points of reference.

2. Point of reference will have to be centered on something. For a jw, it will be on what the position of watchtower is. For others, it has to be centered on something else. The question is not where it centers on, but how strong, valid and true the argument is. It's about if the evidence presented is valid and true and if the conclusion drawn is supported by such evidence. That is the core issue. Not who help you to realize it.

3. Yes, I had my crisis of conscience and I have found my freedom as a Christian. To me, it doesn't matter what the watchtower defines or view as such. It simply doesn't.

4. Late brother Ray Franz did not write his book because of pressure from around. He had actually kept quiet for about two years. He avoided interviews from people who wanted to know. The actual reason he wrote the book was become of what the watchtower was actually writing about him (though not mentioning his name), their smear campaign against him. So he wrote the book to state his account of the story in clear, factual manner. So that in the future, his writing will serve as a witness against whatever the organization will want jws to believe about him (of course he has seen watchtower smear people's reputations before, people long dead, who were not around to clear their name.) and I strongly believe the very existence of that book is the very reason watchtower has refrained from smearing his reputations.

4. On whether I chose to remain in the organization or not, I have said before. Though you have made it your business, you should. You might even hid your own advice, mind your business (that's if you may).

5. Go through many jw related post in online forums, you will realize that the methods had change. Many prefer to stay inside the org while actually practicing what the Bible says (example can be seen in the number of partakers increasing). It's no longer about rushing to live the organization, there are still so many people that can save. I am doing my part, and will continue to. The whole aim is simple, help a jw to review the Bible again, help a jw see wrong and deceptive arguments from the organization.

6. everyone has everything to hide. Don't claim things about someone you may not have seen or know. Should I read many books or not, you have no way of knowing. So, it's save not to claim things about others you may never have known

7. Yes he appreciated jws on their sincerity to want to do God's will, he also appreciated the same sincerity in others that are not jws. But he also deeply apologized for those whom he brought to the organization in what he thought and believed was true. He also said he can only comfort himself each time he remembers that he had often stressed to them the importance of reading the Bible and allowing it to guide their actions.

removetheturban:
If you have any issues or questions, open a thread and present it. Do not ask someone to open a thread by giving them options on what to post and how to compose it. JW do not come here to win arguments or a prize by empty reasonings.
We are seeking deserving ones to share the message about the kingdom with not idealists like you.

How do you know a reasoning is empty without actually thinking or reasoning in it? Anyway, the question was not for you neither will you be able to handle any of it.

To begin with, it was not your reasoning. I am asking you to expand your own faculty to be able to reason above copy and paste. The question is targetted to the JW. Your topics and comments pivot on the JW and I see nothing too tough to handle in all you have said. I just would not give you the satisfaction to drag me around.

If you want to know about JW you can visit our website jw.org or send a mail to the headquarter if you do not feel satisfied with answers. Coming on Nairaland to rant blasphemous lies about the JW is unceremonious. If you have the good news, preach it! When you come in a forum like this,
use the opportunity to reach out to people who are seeking to know the truth about God. Do not waste your time trying to drag the JW.

ChristianFreedo:


How do you know a reasoning is empty without actually thinking or reasoning in it? Anyway, the question was not for you neither will you be able to handle any of it.

removetheturban:
To begin with, it was not your reasoning. I am asking you to expand your own faculty to be able to reason above copy and paste. The question is targetted to the JW. Your topics and comments pivot on the JW and I see nothing too tough to handle in all you have said. I just would not give you the satisfaction to drag me around.

If you want to know about JW you can visit our website jw.org or send a mail to the headquarter if you do not feel satisfied with answers. Coming on Nairaland to rant blasphemous lies about the JW is unceremonious. If you have the good news, preach it! When you come in a forum like this,
use the opportunity to reach out to people who are seeking to know the truth about God. Do not waste your time trying to drag the JW.

Like I said earlier, the question was not for you. Neither do I have your time. That will be my last response to you.

When Jozzy4 is ready with a scriptural response, we will reason together from the scripture, allowing the evidence to lead to the conclusion.

Again, when Jozzy4 is ready, I will be ready. Then I will tag all the jws in nairaland to the following scriptural questions.

1. Is belonging to a religious organization a requirement for everlasting life as taught by watchtower? What does the Bible say is required for one to have everlasting life in God's new word?
2. Is there scriptural proof showing a central control or a central governing body, as practiced and claimed by the watchtower organization, in the first century? did congregations in the first century answer to a ruling body in Jerusalem (governing body) or did they have individual autonomy (as Bible student have prior to the formation of an organization by J. F. Rutherford). Also, did early Christians had to run their decisions by the Jerusalem led governing body?

This are important questions to answer. When Jozzy4 is ready to answer these scriptural questions, I will be ready.

Since you come out to condemn the doctrines of the JW, why not present an alternative using the Bible so that everyone can make a comparison and choose which is better. You are not an authority to decide who is good or bad, so use the scriptures to align people's reasonings. You only come here to condemn the JW. What can you bring to the table aside condemnation?

A fair thinker or critic would always profer an alternative while condemning one. So, if you have any sincerity in you, present a scriptural point on the table while you critic the other. That is the only way you can escape bigotry.

ChristianFreedo:

1. Whatever the point of reference is, there are opposing views. To you, and to other jws, your views and point of reference is the watchtower organization, what they teach, preach, hope and believe becomes your point of view and reference. To me, it's the opposite. Whether it is based on the works of Ray Frank, or Paul grudy or anyone else. That's not the important thing. Christians have their point of reference from Jesus (since point of reference is the word we are using now), the same was true of the apostles. So, the issue is not about point of reference. It is actually about the rightness or wrongness of a doctrine or policy, not who actually help you to see such points of reference.