A woman lost her daughter and was wailing profusely. We find out that her loud cry wasn't just because her daughter was dead but because her daughter, a believer in Christ Jesus, committed suicide.

Efforts to comfort her that her daughter is in heaven proved futile.


Suicide is an act of killing oneself deliberately/intentional.


The six scriptures, (judges 9: 50-57, 16: 28-30; 1 sam 31:1-6; 2 sam 17:23; 1 kings 16: 18-19; matt 27:5) in the bible that say anything about suicide doesn't condemn it nor commend it.


Now my question.


Is suicide a sin?

if yes
Is it forgivable?

if yes
How does one convince this woman her daughter is in heaven or forgiven?




Pls explain, even if your answer is no, biblical explain your answer thank you.

People have been asking so much about suicide recently

No it's not unforgivable Samson also committed suicide Judges 16:30 the only sin that is unforgivable is blaspheming against the holy spirit

"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
Matthew:12:31

Not encouraging suicide but it's not an unforgivable sin as long you accept Jesus as your Savior

Suicide is synonymous to murder, killing oneself. You don't need to kill yourself even if you are the worst or the most wicked person on earth. So please desist from suicide or the thought of it, try as much as possible not to be depressed because it's from there the devil will start planting the thought of suicide into your heart, rather rejoice and give thanks to God in all things.

Tosinex:
Suicide is synonymous to murder, killing oneself. You don't need to kill yourself even if you are the worst or the most wicked person on earth. So please desist from suicide or the thought of it, try as much as possible not to be depressed because it's from there the devil will start planting the thought of suicide into your heart, rather rejoice and give thanks to God in all things.

if that were the case, shouldn't your Bible have listed it as unforgivable sin asides the blaspheme part?

danvon:
People have been asking so much about suicide recently

No it's not unforgivable Samson also committed suicide Judges 16:30 the only sin that is unforgivable is blaspheming against the holy spirit

"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
Matthew:12:31

Not encouraging suicide but it's not an unforgivable sin as long you accept Jesus as your Savior

"...curse be on anyone that hangs himself on a tree..."(Deut21.23)

Suicide is an unforgiveable sin because the person cannot repent again after killing himself.There is no amount of prayer for a dead person that can change him or make God take him to heaven.
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That's why l don't even waste my time to type RIP on a dead person's tribute.
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Ebios:
"...curse be on anyone that hangs himself on a tree..."(Deut21.23)

Suicide is an unforgiveable sin because the person cannot repent again after killing himself.There is no amount of prayer for a dead person that can change him or make God take him to heaven.

like I said Samson committed suicide, that verse was about hanging execution not suicide

And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
Deuteronomy:21:22

Besides it didn't say those who stab themselves are cursed

A fellow stands in the path of a moving train that crushed the fellow to death. He did it so that his other siblings will avoid the path that kills. The fellow had the power to move away from the trains path but he chose to remain there.

Is that Suicide?

Another fellow stands in the path of Roman soldiers who wants him killed and eventually killed him on a stake. He did it so his followers will avoid the path that kills. The fellow had the power to move away from the path of the soldiers but he chose to remain there.

Is that Suicide?

Ebios:
"...curse be on anyone that hangs himself on a tree..."(Deut21.23)

Suicide is an unforgiveable sin because the person cannot repent again after killing himself.There is no amount of prayer for a dead person that can change him or make God take him to heaven.

Your verse was talking about someone who was hanged by another person

22 If someone guilty of a capital offense is put to death and their body is exposed on a pole, 23 you must not leave the body hanging on the pole overnight. Be sure to bury it that same day, because anyone who is hung on a pole is under God’s curse.

hopefulLandlord:


Your verse was talking about someone who was hanged by another person

22 If someone guilty of a capital offense is put to death and their body is exposed on a pole, 23 you must not leave the body hanging on the pole overnight. Be sure to bury it that same day, because anyone who is hung on a pole is under God’s curse.

Ok..noted


But d fact still remains that a suicider is not going to heaven(but hell) bc God doesn't answer prayers prayed on behalf of a dead person.

Once a person's breath is gone,just forget abt it.It is over for that person.

danvon:
People have been asking so much about suicide recently

No it's not unforgivable Samson also committed suicide Judges 16:30 the only sin that is unforgivable is blaspheming against the holy spirit

"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
Matthew:12:31

Not encouraging suicide but it's not an unforgivable sin as long you accept Jesus as your Savior

so a sinner who commits suicide will end up in hell but a believer who does becomes a heavenly saint

Ebios:
"...curse be on anyone that hangs himself on a tree..."(Deut21.23)

Suicide is an unforgiveable sin because the person cannot repent again after killing himself.There is no amount of prayer for a dead person that can change him or make God take him to heaven.

what if person use sword like saul

anyway bro deut 21:23 didn't say anyone who hangs himself o i wonder wetin you they quote sef.

whoever is hanged (likely as a punishment to a person for a crime) like jewish stoning.

so are you saying that God doesn't forgive all sins (apart from trashtalking the holy spirit) when you are a believer?

Tosinex:
Suicide is synonymous to murder, killing oneself. You don't need to kill yourself even if you are the worst or the most wicked person on earth. So please desist from suicide or the thought of it, try as much as possible not to be depressed because it's from there the devil will start planting the thought of suicide into your heart, rather rejoice and give thanks to God in all things.

it is written thou shall not kill but it didn't state what not to kill.

i kill chicken and eat is that not murder

BlueAngel444:
A woman lost her daughter and was wailing profusely. We find out that her loud cry wasn't just because her daughter was dead but because her daughter, a believer in Christ Jesus, committed suicide.

Efforts to comfort her that her daughter is in heaven proved futile.


Suicide is an act of killing oneself deliberately/intentional.


The six scriptures, (judges 9: 50-57, 16: 28-30; 1 sam 31:1-6; 2 sam 17:23; 1 kings 16: 18-19; matt 27:5) in the bible that say anything about suicide doesn't condemn it nor commend it.


Now my question.


Is suicide a sin?

if yes
Is it forgivable?

if yes
How does one convince this woman her daughter is in heaven or forgiven?




Pls explain, even if your answer is no, biblical explain your answer thank you.

Can a believer who is in fellowship with God the Father and Son commit suicide? I seriously doubt.

MoR2:
so a sinner who commits suicide will end up in hell but a believer who does becomes a heavenly saint

Yes.

Suicide is not a sin rather I see it as a sign that certain issues of life are not paid attention to or there are serious issues we are ignorant of.

bloodofthelamb:


Can a believer who is in fellowship with God the Father and Son commit suicide? I seriously doubt.

Whether you doubt it or not doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Even Paul and Job wanted to die, Paul said to die is gain but to live is Christ for the benefit of others. What about Elijah that asked to die?

Martinez19:
Suicide is not a sin rather I see it as a sign that certain issues of life are not paid attention to or there are serious issues we are ignorant of.

Suicide is a sign that we are ignorant of certain serious issues of life.

That's what your saying right?

MoR2:
it is written thou shall not kill but it didn't state what not to kill.

i kill chicken and eat is that not murder

I don't think that makes you a murderer

danvon:
Yes.

Please can you back up your yes response with scriptures. Thank you.

DeSepiero:
A fellow stands in the path of a moving train that crushed the fellow to death. He did it so that his other siblings will avoid the path that kills. The fellow had the power to move away from the trains path but he chose to remain there.

Is that Suicide?

Another fellow stands in the path of Roman soldiers who wants him killed and eventually killed him on a stake. He did it so his followers will avoid the path that kills. The fellow had the power to move away from the path of the soldiers but he chose to remain there.

Is that Suicide?

Are you saying suicide is right if the motive behind it is justified?

BlueAngel444:
Suicide is a sign that we are ignorant of certain serious issues of life.

That's what your saying right?

Not just that, mental illness as well. Economic corruption and hardship, drug abuse, alcoholism, political and religious dogma, marijuana addiction, porn addiction etc. are issues that are responsible for majority of suicides. If you can remove these issues, you will have no suicides except in cases of the mentally ill.

Stopping someone from suicide is not enough, you have to make sure that the issue that made them contemplate suicide is eradicated or else it's back to square one. Any questions?

BlueAngel444:
Are you saying suicide is right if the motive behind it is justified?

Maybe 'Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends'

John 15:13

BlueAngel444:
Whether you doubt it or not doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Even Paul and Job wanted to die, Paul said to die is gain but to live is Christ for the benefit of others. What about Elijah that asked to die?

All this people you mentioned never took their own lifes... I don't believe that someone who has the life and nature of God within him will kill his body.

Suicide is as a result of demonic manipulation and influence.

DeSepiero:


Maybe 'Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends'

John 15:13

bloodofthelamb:


All this people you mentioned never took their own lifes... I don't believe that someone who has the life and nature of God within him will kill his body.

Suicide is as a result of demonic manipulation and influence.

DeSepiero:


Maybe 'Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends'

John 15:13

bloodofthelamb how do you scripturally prove to me that such act is demon inspired. and are all cases demon inspired including that of Samson.

Martinez19:
Not just that, mental illness as well. Economic corruption and hardship, drug abuse, alcoholism, political and religious dogma, marijuana addiction, porn addiction etc. are issues that are responsible for majority of suicides. If you can remove these issues, you will have no suicides except in cases of the mentally ill.

Stopping someone from suicide is not enough, you have to make sure that the issue that made them contemplate suicide is eradicated or else it's back to square one. Any questions?

Do you agree with bloodofthelamb that demons cause suicide?

Basically counseling right, instead of the go to deliverances ministries and just casting out devils. Your saying counseling goes along way to stop suicide. What about those who unfortunately didn't get help in time.

If she killed her self out of depression, frustration or unresolved regret unlike the exposure to negative vices you mentioned - alcoholism, pornography, drug abuse etc. what if like Elijah she felt a failure based on the kind of things written in her dairy.

Even writing her own repentance. Suicide atimes affects the family more especially a family that strongly believes their beloved daughter is lost forever in the flames of eternal fire.

How do you use scripture to pacify the mother. Right now telling her how she could have prevented it will not help, assuring her her daughter is save would.

BlueAngel444:
Do you agree with bloodofthelamb that demons cause suicide?

Basically counseling right, instead of the go to deliverances ministries and just casting out devils. Your saying counseling goes along way to stop suicide. What about those who unfortunately didn't get help in time.

If she killed her self out of depression, frustration or unresolved regret unlike the exposure to negative vices you mentioned - alcoholism, pornography, drug abuse etc. what if like Elijah she felt a failure based on the kind of things written in her dairy.

Even writing her own repentance. Suicide atimes affects the family more especially a family that strongly believes their beloved daughter is lost forever in the flames of eternal fire.

How do you use scripture to pacify the mother. Right now telling her how she could have prevented it will not help, assuring her her daughter is save would.

Demons don't cause suicide, demons don't exist. Depression, mental illness, harsh economy and other personal problems are the causes of suicide. Good leaders for better economy, effective awareness on the dangers of drugs, alcohol, marijuana and porn addiction , supportive families, friends and relatives who are good at listening and a good counselling and health care system with professionals that are well trained and listen very well.
Too sad Naija is a shit hole with ignorance, selfishness and arrogance everywhere. The mother needs to accept reality at let go of things she can't change.

BlueAngel444:
bloodofthelamb how do you scripturally prove to me that such act is demon inspired. and are all cases demon inspired including that of Samson.

Samson did not commit suicide. What he did, he did as an act of war. Samson was a soldier and defender of Isreal.

He lay down his life in defence of his people.. He was a picture of my Lord and God "JESUS" upon the cross giving his life in defence of all those who will trust Him for their safety.

Every sin is can be forgiven except the one against the holy spirit

But, how do you become forgiven after sinning?
Its by asking.

So, how do you ask after commiting sucide
Will your dead body ask for forgiveness?

DALE917:
Every sin is can be forgiven except the one against the holy spirit

But, how do you become forgiven after sinning?
Its by asking.

So, how do you ask after commiting sucide
Will your dead body ask for forgiveness?

There's no forgiveness of sin actually.

BlueAngel444:

Please can you back up your yes response with scriptures. Thank you.

Okay so a boko haram member invaded your home took you to their camp, they take a gun point it at your head ask you "Do you believe Jesus is the son of God?"... " If you say no we promise we will not kill you".... As a Christian saying no is definitely a good thing but isn't it suicide? Your not dying to defend any human, You could say no and live a long life, so what separates this from a believer who commits suicide, it's the same as telling someone to kill you... if every believer who commits suicide goes to hell all the early Christians are in hell right now.

Only the Catholic church teach suicide is an unforgivable sin

danvon:
Okay so a boko haram member invaded your home took you to their camp, they take a gun point it at your head ask you "Do you believe Jesus is the son of God?"... " If you say no we promise we will not kill you".... As a Christian saying no is definitely a good thing but isn't it suicide? Your not dying to defend any human, You could say no and live a long life, so what separates this from a believer who commits suicide, it's the same as telling someone to kill you... if every believer who commits suicide goes to hell all the early Christians are in hell right now.

Only the Catholic church teach suicide is an unforgivable sin

This your logic is just classic. Anyway the Bible does say follow Jesus and anyone who loves their lives and try to save it will lose it but anyone who doesn't love their even to death will gain it.

BlueAngel444:
This your logic is just classic. Anyway the Bible does say follow Jesus and anyone who loves their lives and try to save it will lose it but anyone who doesn't love their even to death will gain it.

What of Paul who used his knowledge of law to save his life? Or Peter who denied Jesus to save his life? Even Jesus prayed to God the father to save his life if it's his will

That's Suicide