Nbg4real:
Good evening all. is it possible to do the attached roofing with step tiles?

You are missing the attachment.

At least on my side here.

EgunMogaji:


You are missing the attachment.

At least on my side here.

i tried loading it but all was in vien. it is a one sided slope roof similar to your own but it is having parapet. can it be done with stone coated roofing tiles instead of long span aluminium?

Daboomb:
If l may contribute:

Columns need a Basket, so as to reduce the 'punching-effect' (Pressure) of the Vertical force (Pressure = Force/Area) it is carrying.
This is a fact we should not even be arguing about.

Now, since the downward acting force is what the basket is "designed to reduce", you will all agree with me that if that Vertical Force is "negligible", we can as well do away with the Basket since it is designed to "spread that Force" acting downwards, which has now been said to be negligible..

This is why Bungalows of the olden days dont use columns, not to talk of adding a basket to the columns!
Those Bungalows have stood for almost a hundred years and all the rain and thunder of many decades has not collapsed them but we have newer building collapsing even before they are completed!

In essence, if the Vertical Force is negligible, you can do away with a column (as shown above) and by inference, do away with a basket.
Your house will still stand (and the obvious reason for that, is that, as they do in the olden days, you would have used "standard blocks and mortar-mix", to erect your house. Not th fake blocks of today).

So, using a basket, being for a reason, is not given.

And that brings me back to the origins of this current discussion: using basket in the columns of a Septic tank.
As l have pointed out above, it all depends on "how much vertical force" you envisage and therefore, have the intention of spreading.

With particular reference to my able builder, Abdulwastecx, if you are building a septic tank in some places, where the ground is unrepentantly very hard, the use of columns is an 'over-kill' and waste of money because in such places, l have seen such tanks built with just blocks (no columns at all) and they have stood there, doing their job for over fifty years now. No collapse!
Why?
Bceause such structure is carrying negligible wight and therefore the 'Vertical Force' (from Pressure = Force/Area) is also very negligible.
There is virtually nothing, in terms of "Force" to spread (which is the job of a basket! You wont spend moneyand effort, just to achieve nothing, would you?).

Thus, when someone says you can do a column without using a basket, the next question should be "what weight is that column carrying"? Is such weight/Force Negligible?

And l guess the man asking for "drawings" is thinking along that direction (Such drawing will show the 'Weight/Force' being carried, that necesitates the use of a column and hence, a basket).
Columns are not just for decoration, they are an engineering, structural functionality in a building though a lot of 'enthusiastic' builders just use "guesswork" to throw columns here and there, even where they are not necessary, not functional and a total waste.

To say all columns must carry a basket without being specific on what it is acrrying in terms of 'vertical force' is like saying all cars must have a cooling airconditioner or HQ-Surround Sound!
if it has one, good for the occupant.
if it does not have one, it will still serve its purpose of just taking the occupant from point A, to point B (but inside this heat ehn, dem go confess their sins sharp-sharp ) if that is all that matters to them.

Let us not turn this into another bric-brac (as l see it going, if we dont stop now).

Both sides of the arguement are correct but they are both arguing on different things. No congruency at all


Anyway, wetin l know sef.

Baba, Twaleee o. Incise and straight forward. I dey read the post like I dey read Paddy story. Thanks for enlightenment.

Daboomb:
If l may contribute:

Columns need a Basket, so as to reduce the 'punching-effect' (Pressure) of the Vertical force (Pressure = Force/Area) it is carrying.
This is a fact we should not even be arguing about.

Now, since the downward acting force is what the basket is "designed to reduce", you will all agree with me that if that Vertical Force is "negligible", we can as well do away with the Basket since it is designed to "spread that Force" acting downwards, which has now been said to be negligible..

This is why Bungalows of the olden days dont use columns, not to talk of adding a basket to the columns!
Those Bungalows have stood for almost a hundred years and all the rain and thunder of many decades has not collapsed them but we have newer building collapsing even before they are completed!

In essence, if the Vertical Force is negligible, you can do away with a column (as shown above) and by inference, do away with a basket.
Your house will still stand (and the obvious reason for that, is that, as they do in the olden days, you would have used "standard blocks and mortar-mix", to erect your house. Not th fake blocks of today).

So, using a basket, being for a reason, is not given.

And that brings me back to the origins of this current discussion: using basket in the columns of a Septic tank.
As l have pointed out above, it all depends on "how much vertical force" you envisage and therefore, have the intention of spreading.

With particular reference to my able builder, Abdulwastecx, if you are building a septic tank in some places, where the ground is unrepentantly very hard, the use of columns is an 'over-kill' and waste of money because in such places, l have seen such tanks built with just blocks (no columns at all) and they have stood there, doing their job for over fifty years now. No collapse!
Why?
Bceause such structure is carrying negligible wight and therefore the 'Vertical Force' (from Pressure = Force/Area) is also very negligible.
There is virtually nothing, in terms of "Force" to spread (which is the job of a basket! You wont spend moneyand effort, just to achieve nothing, would you?).

Thus, when someone says you can do a column without using a basket, the next question should be "what weight is that column carrying"? Is such weight/Force Negligible?

And l guess the man asking for "drawings" is thinking along that direction (Such drawing will show the 'Weight/Force' being carried, that necesitates the use of a column and hence, a basket).
Columns are not just for decoration, they are an engineering, structural functionality in a building though a lot of 'enthusiastic' builders just use "guesswork" to throw columns here and there, even where they are not necessary, not functional and a total waste.

To say all columns must carry a basket without being specific on what it is acrrying in terms of 'vertical force' is like saying all cars must have a cooling airconditioner or HQ-Surround Sound!
if it has one, good for the occupant.
if it does not have one, it will still serve its purpose of just taking the occupant from point A, to point B (but inside this heat ehn, dem go confess their sins sharp-sharp ) if that is all that matters to them.

Let us not turn this into another bric-brac (as l see it going, if we dont stop now).

Both sides of the arguement are correct but they are both arguing on different things. No congruency at all


Anyway, wetin l know sef.

Boss man, you know every every.
Engineering principles are not in contention here and Engineers don't assume.
As long as engineering /construction materials contains requisite physical and chemical properties that is satisfiable, they are usable to serve their intending purpose.


What one has not done or seen clearly to be carried out let him not put a claim.

A picture is worth more than a thousand words.

Nbg4real:
i tried loading it but all was in vien. it is a one sided slope roof similar to your own but it is having parapet. can it be done with stone coated roofing tiles instead of long span aluminium?

Forget about that. Did you put a basket under your column? Just joking

As far as I know, it is best to use longspan on mono slopes like mine.

What did the architect spec out in the drawings?

@Hajj

EgunMogaji:

Forget about that. Did you put a basket under your column? Just joking
As far as I know, it is best to use longspan on mono slopes like mine.
What did the architect spec out in the drawings?
@Hajj

Thank you Sir.

Please who has CONTACT details, website inclusive of possible of aluminium longspan companies in iyana ipaja axis. Heard there is a lot of this companies in that axis and beyond.
Hajjwna your area be this oua give me answer.
Daboomb our in house encyclopedia please help a brother out.

EgunMogaji:


How much is per feet installed?

Thanks.

it depends on the design of the Building sir, you can private chat for a more detailed information Sir.
Thanks for your interest, would be awaiting your reply

Daboomb:
If l may contribute:

Columns need a Basket, so as to reduce the 'punching-effect' (Pressure) of the Vertical force (Pressure = Force/Area) it is carrying.
This is a fact we should not even be arguing about.

Now, since the downward acting force is what the basket is "designed to reduce", you will all agree with me that if that Vertical Force is "negligible", we can as well do away with the Basket since it is designed to "spread that Force" acting downwards, which has now been said to be negligible..

This is why Bungalows of the olden days dont use columns, not to talk of adding a basket to the columns!
Those Bungalows have stood for almost a hundred years and all the rain and thunder of many decades has not collapsed them but we have newer building collapsing even before they are completed!

In essence, if the Vertical Force is negligible, you can do away with a column (as shown above) and by inference, do away with a basket.
Your house will still stand (and the obvious reason for that, is that, as they do in the olden days, you would have used "standard blocks and mortar-mix", to erect your house. Not th fake blocks of today).

So, using a basket, being for a reason, is not given.

And that brings me back to the origins of this current discussion: using basket in the columns of a Septic tank.
As l have pointed out above, it all depends on "how much vertical force" you envisage and therefore, have the intention of spreading.

With particular reference to my able builder, Abdulwastecx, if you are building a septic tank in some places, where the ground is unrepentantly very hard, the use of columns is an 'over-kill' and waste of money because in such places, l have seen such tanks built with just blocks (no columns at all) and they have stood there, doing their job for over fifty years now. No collapse!
Why?
Bceause such structure is carrying negligible wight and therefore the 'Vertical Force' (from Pressure = Force/Area) is also very negligible.
There is virtually nothing, in terms of "Force" to spread (which is the job of a basket! You wont spend moneyand effort, just to achieve nothing, would you?).

Thus, when someone says you can do a column without using a basket, the next question should be "what weight is that column carrying"? Is such weight/Force Negligible?

And l guess the man asking for "drawings" is thinking along that direction (Such drawing will show the 'Weight/Force' being carried, that necesitates the use of a column and hence, a basket).
Columns are not just for decoration, they are an engineering, structural functionality in a building though a lot of 'enthusiastic' builders just use "guesswork" to throw columns here and there, even where they are not necessary, not functional and a total waste.

To say all columns must carry a basket without being specific on what it is acrrying in terms of 'vertical force' is like saying all cars must have a cooling airconditioner or HQ-Surround Sound!
if it has one, good for the occupant.
if it does not have one, it will still serve its purpose of just taking the occupant from point A, to point B (but inside this heat ehn, dem go confess their sins sharp-sharp ) if that is all that matters to them.

Let us not turn this into another bric-brac (as l see it going, if we dont stop now).

Both sides of the arguement are correct but they are both arguing on different things. No congruency at all


Anyway, wetin l know sef.

spyder880:


Thank you Sir, I actually played the stock market heavily in 2004-2009. One of the sweetest feelings in this world, is having to open your mailbox to collect cheques sent from your companies. I was heavily invested in so many good stocks, and a few worthless companies. I sold out about 80% of my holdings when Sanusi arrived with his policies which aimed at killing investments. Used the funds realised to build houses.

My target this year is a more diversified portfolio of investments. I am looking at returning some funds to the stock market while increasing my holdings on lands. A new estate in Awka is on my mind. I also plan to start the production of something since I have free lands in many locations. Agricultural products, building material and any other type of products needed daily in Nigeria. May GOD bless us all.

Oga Spyder!! The Man with a finger in every pie.

Sometimes I marvel at your financial intelligence and prudence.

It takes alot of discipline and vision to dance the dance wey u dey dance.
Abeg make me your protege. I wash & clean very well

Raincache:

it depends on the design of the Building sir, you can private chat for a more detailed information Sir.
Thanks for your interest, would be awaiting your reply

No interest in private chat at this stage.

It’s a bungalow and straight line.

/
How many soakaway collapse do we record in Nigeria in a year? Some built with columns while others did not. But they are all standing. I believe soil type has a lot to do with it. Building a soakaway in swampy Lekki or PHC may not be the same as building in rocky town of Suleja. But for a house, there are standard practices that must be adhered to. In all, when in doubt, go for the industry's best practices.

InvertedHammer:
/
How many soakaway collapse do we record in Nigeria in a year? Some built with columns while others did not. But they are all standing. I believe soil type has a lot to do with it. Building a soakaway in swampy Lekki or PHC may not be the same as building in rocky town of Suleja. But for a house, there are standard practices that must be adhered to. In all, when in doubt, go for the industry's best practices.

EgunMogaji:


No interest in private chat at this stage.

It’s a bungalow and straight line.

For the straight line bungalow, it is 4700naira per metre sir

Raincache:


For the straight line bungalow, it is 4700naira per metre sir

Thank you for the response BUT

EgunMogaji:


How much is per feet installed?

Thanks.

I don’t do meters.

Thanks.

EgunMogaji:


Thank you for the response BUT



I don’t do meters.

Thanks.

1440 Naira per Feet Sir

Hello forum , please what will the block work of a 2 storey building consisting of 6(3 bedroom flats) cost

Creaziongenio:
Hello forum , please what will the block work of a 2 storey building consisting of 6(3 bedroom flats) cost

That’s a lot of work for this forum to calculate, though if you calculate one then you can multiply by 6.

There are various calculators on here.

This is a commercial project.

back2sender:
Please who has CONTACT details, website inclusive of possible of aluminium longspan companies in iyana ipaja axis. Heard there is a lot of this companies in that axis and beyond.
Hajjwna your area be this oua give me answer.
Daboomb our in house encyclopedia please help a brother out.

There you go! See attached.
and there are others within 100m of the same place, along that line.


But please understand that your Roofer (even the one you take along) can connive with them to short-change you.
What 'can' happen is that the Roofer will tell you that you need to buy certain quantity of Sheets, based on the measuremnts.
It is based on this that a "cutting sheet" will be issued to you, upon which you will pay directly to the Aluminium company's bank account.

Now, what is this "cutting sheet" sef?
The cutting of the aluminium roofing sheets into various sizes like cladding, flashing, e.t.c is done automatically by means of a programmed instruction written in a paper called the "cutting sheet".

A customer is given this cutting-sheet, asked to go and make paymnet based on what is written there (your request) and this is given to the programmer who inserts it into the machine and the machine simply produce what you paid for,

It is what you pay for and give to the programmer, that is fed into the machine and produced
Nice and straight-forward, right?

Well, this is where the Nigerian factor comes-in.
Now, your Roofer, because he has not been allowed to go and buy the materials on his own, goes behind to meet the Company Supervisor and they cut a deal.

Your Roofer, in connivance with the compony Supervisor, writes another "cutting-sheet" with the exact amount of materials your house will need and produce that for you.
What you did not know is that your Roofer had inflated your Roofing-sheet requirements by as much as 30%- 40%.
You pay for 100% + 40% extra.
They issue you a cutting-sheet of 140% of requirements.
You pay for it and give the !40% cutting-sheet to the programmer.
The 100% cutting-sheet that was prepared behind you (a connivance between your Roofer and the Supervisor of the Aluminium Company) is now substituted for the one you paid for.

At the end of the day, they tell you "Computer cannot lie", what you paid for is what was programmed into the computer.
But if you are like me that scrutinise things properly, y[b]ou would have used your phone to snap the original (140%) cutting-sheet you paid for...and then cross-check every item that was produced, with what is on your phone![/b]

That is how alarm-blow and l created real wahala that closed down the company for that day, until every penny was refunded to me.
My Roofer bolted on seeing that alarm-don-blow!
I fished him out the following day and locked him up for five days while my Roof was finished.

Why am l telling you all these?
We should learn from other people's experience.
Going there to buy it yourself does not mean you cant be cheated or they wont attempt to swindle you.

Happy tripping.

Daboomb:

There you go! See attached.
and there are others within 100m of the same place, along that line.

Brother @Daboomb has it covered. Thank you Sir.
I have referred many people to that place with happy endings.
All my aluminiums are purchased from them with good corrugation process.

Note: The driver for my 32" monitor and HP computer was corrupted for few days, so I have been missing. Back online.

Hajji M.

Raincache:

it depends on the design of the Building sir, you can private chat for a more detailed information Sir.
Thanks for your interest, would be awaiting your reply

Got a WhatsApp number for chat?

Hajji M.

Daboomb:



There you go! See attached.
and there are others within 100m of the same place, along that line.


But please understand that your Roofer (even the one you take along) can connive with them to short-change you.
What 'can' happen is that the Roofer will tell you that you need to buy certain quantity of Sheets, based on the measuremnts.
It is based on this that a "cutting sheet" will be issued to you, upon which you will pay directly to the Aluminium company's bank account.

Now, what is this "cutting sheet" sef?
The cutting of the aluminium roofing sheets into various sizes like cladding, flashing, e.t.c is done automatically by means of a programmed instruction written in a paper called the "cutting sheet".

A customer is given this cutting-sheet, asked to go and make paymnet based on what is written there (your request) and this is given to the programmer who inserts it into the machine and the machine simply produce what you paid for,

It is what you pay for and give to the programmer, that is fed into the machine and produced
Nice and straight-forward, right?

Well, this is where the Nigerian factor comes-in.
Now, your Roofer, because he has not been allowed to go and buy the materials on his own, goes behind to meet the Company Supervisor and they cut a deal.

Your Roofer, in connivance with the compony Supervisor, writes another "cutting-sheet" with the exact amount of materials your house will need and produce that for you.
What you did not know is that your Roofer had inflated your Roofing-sheet requirements by as much as 30%- 40%.
You pay for 100% + 40% extra.
They issue you a cutting-sheet of 140% of requirements.
You pay for it and give the !40% cutting-sheet to the programmer.
The 100% cutting-sheet that was prepared behind you (a connivance between your Roofer and the Supervisor of the Aluminium Company) is now substituted for the one you paid for.

At the end of the day, they tell you "Computer cannot lie", what you paid for is what was programmed into the computer.
But if you are like me that scrutinise things properly, y[b]ou would have used your phone to snap the original (140%) cutting-sheet you paid for...and then cross-check every item that was produced, with what is on your phone![/b]

That is how alarm-blow and l created real wahala that closed down the company for that day, until every penny was refunded to me.
My Roofer bolted on seeing that alarm-don-blow!
I fished him out the following day and locked him up for five days while my Roof was finished.

Why am l telling you all these?
We should learn from other people's experience.
Going there to buy it yourself does not mean you cant be cheated or they wont attempt to swindle you.

Happy tripping.

/
You work hard to make money.

You work had to initiate a project.

Now you work extra hard to monitor "vultures"

Yet they all cry "corruption is bad"

Will it help to go buy building materials with Amadioha or Sango?
/

meetmonde:
how big is 50/40 piece of land and what kind of structure can be developed on it and at what estimate cost please.. anyone with idea should help me out please.. thanks and God bless in advance

The 50/40 if it is in metres , it is just 3plots with little land left. If it is feet it.is not even up to half plot.

mufutau55:


Got a WhatsApp number for chat?

Hajji M.

08158942188

Daboomb thanks so much for that exposition and thanks oga Hajji for confirming Jony Tech as been reliable but also to shine our eyes in business transactions.

Oga Daboomb my concern here is that 3 different people has been to my site to give qoutes but from hindsight these people are estimators and are not the actual people that will climb and fix the aluminium roofing sheets.

The question here is that can i cut off this estimators and find someone(roofer/carpentar) that can still measure the aluminium sheets needed and still climb and fix the roofing sheets.

The idea is to prune down the number of middle men in the chain.

This estimators dont do the jobs and they are the major sinkhole(fraud) in this process. I will pay directly to the company and sound a stern warning to the roofer am aware of thier tricks and also to the aluminium company staff. At least for them to know we know some of thier tricks. I work for my money and deserve to spend it wisely.
So what says thou, daboomb!

back2sender:
Daboomb thanks so much for that exposition and thanks oga Hajji for confirming Jony Tech as been reliable but also to shine our eyes in business transactions.

Oga Daboomb my concern here is that 3 different people has been to my site to give qoutes but from hindsight these people are estimators and are not the actual people that will climb and fix the aluminium roofing sheets.

The question here is that can i cut off this estimators and find someone(roofer/carpentar) that can still measure the aluminium sheets needed and still climb and fix the roofing sheets.

The idea is to prune down the number of middle men in the chain.

This estimators dont do the jobs and they are the major sinkhole(fraud) in this process. I will pay directly to the company and sound a stern warning to the roofer am aware of thier tricks and also to the aluminium company staff. At least for them to know we know some of thier tricks. I work for my money and deserve to spend it wisely.
So what says thou, daboomb!

Hunnn, I understand your concern. With many of these guys, it’s had to get things right 100% as you wished, if you get 85% right with many of them, you’re very lucky. Otherwise it’s will cost you more, if you push to had on them. Talking from Experience, that Conpany is still very fear from other big names. Thanks to Hajji my deal with them last year, save me over 340k compare with other big names in the market. Best of luck.

back2sender:
Daboomb thanks so much for that exposition and thanks oga Hajji for confirming Jony Tech as been reliable but also to shine our eyes in business transactions.

Oga Daboomb my concern here is that 3 different people has been to my site to give qoutes but from hindsight these people are estimators and are not the actual people that will climb and fix the aluminium roofing sheets.

The question here is that can i cut off this estimators and find someone(roofer/carpentar) that can still measure the aluminium sheets needed and still climb and fix the roofing sheets.

The idea is to prune down the number of middle men in the chain.

This estimators dont do the jobs and they are the major sinkhole(fraud) in this process. I will pay directly to the company and sound a stern warning to the roofer am aware of thier tricks and also to the aluminium company staff. At least for them to know we know some of thier tricks. I work for my money and deserve to spend it wisely.
So what says thou, daboomb!

This post got me laughing, you are saying the truth about cutting costs and eliminating middlemen but, do you really think the man climbing the roof to do the dirty work is the same man who will sit at the table to churn out the figures in meters and centimetres? It doesn't work that way in most Nigerian companies.

In most of the roofing companies I have worked with, they have a technical unit. The guys in the technical unit are responsible for visiting sites and climbing wood works to measure the roof, they also return to the company and press the calculator to estimate the exact need and produce a quote. Then you pay to the company if you agree with the quote.

The next thing is for the company to send the material with another team, the installation group. These installers climb the roof to fix the roofing sheets with the supervision of the technical team.

Is there anyone with a different experience out there?

To add to my post above, we also have the freelancers who do it all in one. These guys come to the site and measure then buy the roofing sheets and install themselves. But there is a caveat here.

Such all in one dealers are still going to visit the roofing companies and obtain the materials after paying. (therefore, making it a chain middlemen link that we were trying to avoid) Another risk is that these all in one dealers are so small that we sometimes fear to commit them with millions of Naira. A single guy, probably an experienced carpenter with a single small office to collect Such an amount sounds a little risky. Many people like me will feel better paying to the big roofing companies with a little more rest of mind.

spyder880:
To add to my post above, we also have the freelancers who do it all in one. These guys come to the site and measure then buy the roofing sheets and install themselves. But there is a caveat here.

Such all in one dealers are still going to visit the roofing companies and obtain the materials after paying. (therefore, making it a chain middlemen link that we were trying to avoid) Another risk is that these all in one dealers are so small that we sometimes fear to commit them with millions of Naira. A single guy, probably an experienced carpenter with a single small office to collect Such an amount sounds a little risky. Many people like me will feel better paying to the big roofing companies with a little more rest of mind.

Doing it your way in my opinion is the best way to go about it, incase anything go wrong you won’t lose all your money.

spyder880:
To add to my post above, we also have the freelancers who do it all in one. These guys come to the site and measure then buy the roofing sheets and install themselves. But there is a caveat here.

Such all in one dealers are still going to visit the roofing companies and obtain the materials after paying. (therefore, making it a chain middlemen link that we were trying to avoid) Another risk is that these all in one dealers are so small that we sometimes fear to commit them with millions of Naira. A single guy, probably an experienced carpenter with a single small office to collect Such an amount sounds a little risky. Many people like me will feel better paying to the big roofing companies with a little more rest of mind.

I used this option and it saved me more than half a million naira. I didn't even bargain workmanship and transportation when I saw the difference.

back2sender:
Daboomb thanks so much for that exposition and thanks oga Hajji for confirming Jony Tech as been reliable but also to shine our eyes in business transactions.

Oga Daboomb my concern here is that 3 different people has been to my site to give qoutes but from hindsight these people are estimators and are not the actual people that will climb and fix the aluminium roofing sheets.

The question here is that can i cut off this estimators and find someone(roofer/carpentar) that can still measure the aluminium sheets needed and still climb and fix the roofing sheets.

The idea is to prune down the number of middle men in the chain.

This estimators dont do the jobs and they are the major sinkhole(fraud) in this process. I will pay directly to the company and sound a stern warning to the roofer am aware of thier tricks and also to the aluminium company staff. At least for them to know we know some of thier tricks. I work for my money and deserve to spend it wisely.
So what says thou, daboomb!

Oga Back2sender,

Reading what everyone has written (Spyder, folmus, kopell, e.tc), it is obvious that we all have different experiences (probably due to factors like location, company used, middlemen encountered, one-man people encountered, e.t.c) so, what l think we can do is harness all these 'experiences' such that we take measures to safeguard against each of them since not one of them seems perfect.

My own problem was with my initial Roofer (just enaged for Roofing only but he was the one who estimated the amount of sheets he would require).
What l did was to ensure that even if he 'estimated correctly or inflated', l wont hand him money to buy it nor will he be able to steal any excess.
That seems okay but what l never bargained for, was that the staff of the company will connive with my Roofer, to try to defraud me.
Infact, l am sure that they have done similar thing to so many people but because those people are likely not aware of being skimmed (let me ask: how many people have taken the time to ensure, by proper record keeping like keeping a digital copy of the first cutting sheet they used in paying at the company, compare it with the output (computer print out) of the cutting sheet the machine used to do the actual production?
How many Clients have 'both documents handy when they were about to pack their stuff and did a dilligent comparison of both and counted all cuttings to ensure it conformed with figures in the sheets? It is only your Roofers or Agents that claim to do that for you and give you assurances that all is well, when infact they are in cahoots with the sellers.

There is something beautiful about "blissful ignorance", as its said.
What you dont know, will not hurt your feelings, even if it is killing your pocket.

Anyway, putting all the advice given by all of us together, you can:
1.) Get Roofers (actual Roofers, not middle men with Suit and briefcase ) and let two or three of them give you measurements, with breakdown of the measurements i.e quantity of each part required: quanty of Angles, Eaves, e.tc that the sheets would be cut into.
That represents your "Roofer cutting-sheet".

By the time you have required-quantity from two or three independent Roofers, an average of all, should be close to what you need.
This is the amount you will order from the Aluminium company

2.) Decide on Roofer that will do your Roofing job

3.) Take that 'Roofer cutting-sheet' to the Company and let them issue you with their own official "payment cutting sheet", make payments to their bank account. Have a snap of Roofer-cutting sheet and Aluminium Company "payment-level" cutting sheet. You will need to compare, to make sure that all those figures are as stated.
When ready, just spring a surprise on them by demanding to make comparisons, one-by-one, of what you paid for, and what was actually, finally produced (that they are asking you to take away).

They will try to hurry you up, (Oga, vehicle is ready! Oga, please remove your own outside so we can produce for this person! Oga, everything is complete bla-bla-bla, e.t.c. They know exactly what they are doing and they are good at it. ).
Dont fall for it, just take your time and count every type that was produced for you (You will thank me on this particular part).

When you are satisfied that what is on ground, represents the actuals of what is on the computer cutting sheet, and these corresponds to what is on the 'payment cutting sheet' that you paid for, then you are free to monitor that all is loaded into your van and away you go

All you need do after that is enusre that your Roofer does not "weigh heavier" in the evening, than his weight when he came-in in the morning.
That is, he leaves with only what he came with, nothing more.
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I laugh when people say Johny-Tec gave them everything and they are happy.
What or how did they know? what checks did they undertake? Do some of them even know how a computer cutting-sheet in that place looks like?
I am not shading anyone for being optimistic but l just want us to know that we can decide to "be happy" irrespective of what we know or what we dont know ....and we will be happy. it does not mean that all was well.

This post reminds me of when @Chekitaut did an exposee on the different kinds of gimmicks that Granite sellers perform.
From "Yoodi", to Ashewo-bed, to Tansho, to offloading, to Bambam, who ever believed that these "honest-looking Christian, Walahi-swearing sellers", can be up to no good?
Abeg, laugh wan kill me here.


NB: If you need a Roofer, young and wont steal your materials, does a good job because he is trained at First Aluminium and is also educated to a certain level, let me know and l may consider pasting his number for you. it still does not stop you from doing your due-dilligence on him.
I generally dont like recommending anyone.

spyder880:


This post got me laughing, you are saying the truth about cutting costs and eliminating middlemen but, do you really think the man climbing the roof to do the dirty work is the same man who will sit at the table to churn out the figures in meters and centimetres? It doesn't work that way in most Nigerian companies.

In most of the roofing companies I have worked with, they have a technical unit. The guys in the technical unit are responsible for visiting sites and climbing wood works to measure the roof, they also return to the company and press the calculator to estimate the exact need and produce a quote. Then you pay to the company if you agree with the quote.

The next thing is for the company to send the material with another team, the installation group. These installers climb the roof to fix the roofing sheets with the supervision of the technical team.

Is there anyone with a different experience out there?

When you have the 'estimators', who does the initial estimates and takes it to his company who sells and produce it, who then send their Roofer to do the Roofing, you would have fallen "inside a loop" because there are no check-and-balances to checkmate fraud, if there was one.

But the good thing about this option is that as long as you are "blissfully unaware" that any hanky-panky has gone on, you pay them and they will finish the job, on their own terms.

Let me ask:
- If the estimators added a few hundred meters to the measurement, how does a JoeBloggs lik eme know they have inflated the figures?
Abi l go climb Roof?
-When this iflated measuremnt gets to the company, is it not what you then pay-for, irrespective of whether it is inflated or not?
- If the final Sheets brought ot site is less that the estimated quantity, but it is still enough to finish your job (and once your job is finished, you are happy!
Blissfully unaware that you may have lost about half-a-millionNaira!
You will even give then tips for a job well-done and probably recommend them as "professionals"!

Anyway, we live in an unfortunate environment where TRUST and Self-Dignity, means nothing to our Business men..