darkchild64:

The phrase in bold doesn't make sense,how can "God" realize something,doesn't that sound odd to you

If "God" is omniscient he would have known the outcome of things if he allowed it happen in a particular way and if he is omnipotent he would know the way to allow something to happen in other to yield the result he wants,so no matter how you twist the logic "God" if he exists is responsible for the bad things that happen on earth,if not for any other reason for creating Satan knowing fully well that he would mess up everything,there is no way around that either. And again the Bible says that if one knows what is right and refuses to do it then it is sin,if you see someone in pain,it will only be right to help the person,if you don't do the right thing(help the person) then it is sin according to the Bible, now let's see how "God" is guilty of this,"God" has the power to stop bad things from happening but refuses to,therefore according to the Bible "God" sins,except if you say that "God" doesn't have to obey the Bible,and if "God" doesn't have to obey the bible,then that means Jesus who is "God" doesn't have to obey the Bible, and if Jesus doesn't have to obey the Bible, then christians who are followers of Jesus don't have to do what their master doesn't do hence they don't have to obey the Bible.
IF YOU DISAGREE WITH MY POST LOGICALLY DISPROVE IT

I must commend ur articulation of conjectures and ur eloquence.I love initiating conversation with ur kind because I hv found that there is hardly an unintelligent atheist. They r pple wrapped up by their own intellectual break tru. Logically speaking, u atheist are sometimes very limited by ur 'logic'. I think u completely omitted d FREEWILL part of my assertion. The beauty of the whole creation is d freewill given by the maker. God can 'realise' because He gave his creations d choice to pick btw good and bad. It's makes it perfect to knw your pple when their choices are not manipulated by U. Don't u get bro, it's d reason u r proud of ur own for their wise choice. Y will He kill d villain(Satan) from d start when he is d main factor to test d resolve of the protagonists? God has indeed made all things beautiful and great and will make all perfect at the right time. A time is near when all d evil will be eliminated and yet freewill will reign among the resilient few.

Ronpet777:

I must commend ur articulation of conjectures and ur eloquence.I love initiating conversation with ur kind because I hv found that there is hardly an unintelligent atheist. They r pple wrapped up by their own intellectual break tru. Logically speaking, u atheist are sometimes very limited by ur 'logic'. I think u completely omitted d FREEWILL part of my assertion. The beauty of the whole creation is d freewill given by the maker. God can 'realise' because He gave his creations d choice to pick btw good and bad. It's makes it perfect to knw your pple when their choices are not manipulated by U. Don't u get bro, it's d reason u r proud of ur own for their wise choice. Y will He kill d villain(Satan) from d start when he is d main factor to test d resolve of the protagonists? God has indeed made all things beautiful and great and will make all perfect at the right time. A time is near when all d evil will be eliminated and yet freewill will reign among the resilient few.

well everyone can blv whatever s/he wants,for me I have objectively analyzed religion and the idea of "God" and I don't see any reason to be a religious person,if "God" exists and wants me to acknowledge that and be devouted to him,he would reveal himself to me and from there a relationship will be established, other than that,I don't see myself having anything to do with "God" or religion

darkchild64:


well everyone can blv whatever s/he wants,for me I have objectively analyzed religion and the idea of "God" and I don't see any reason to be a religious person,if "God" exists and wants me to acknowledge that and be devouted to him,he would reveal himself to me and from there a relationship will be established, other than that,I don't see myself having anything to do with "God" or religion

'God' bless u bro... I must say I hv learnt from ur assertions and logics a great deal. Thanks for ur invaluable contributions.
May God reveal himself to U!

ABBkelvin:
Answer this question and I will believe in God and religion; what is God purpose for existing?
@ ronpet777

this is a faulty question and it is also illogical particularly for anyone who does not believe in GOD existence

vaxx:
this is a faulty question and it is also illogical particularly for anyone who does not believe in GOD existence

The question is meant for theist not atheist.

ABBkelvin:

The question is meant for theist not atheist.

then your best question should have been what is GOD?

vaxx:
then your best question should have been what is GOD?

That's your opinion not mine. My question still stand

ABBkelvin:

That's your opinion not mine. My question still stand

Then it is illogical, No good student willing to learn will ask for a purpose of a device without learning what the device is meant to do . for example what is computer will answer its purpose, i do not need to ask what is the purpose of a computer when i do not know what it is. it will be very unintelligent to do so.

vaxx:
Then it is illogical, No good student willing to learn will ask for a purpose of a device without learning what the device is meant to do . for example what is computer will answer its purpose, i do not need to ask what is the purpose of a computer when i do not know what it is. it will be very unintelligent to do so.

My question still stand, if you can't answer my question leave it alone. I don't have time to engage you in meaningless argument

Ronpet777:

'God' bless u bro... I must say I hv learnt from ur assertions and logics a great deal. Thanks for ur invaluable contributions.
May God reveal himself to U!

looking forward to that

ABBkelvin:
My question still stand, if you can't answer my question leave it alone. I don't have time to engage you in meaningless argument

Your question if faulty and illogical. and i am correcting you on it. this is a public forum,your question itself is illogical , how will you get a logical answer. i think you need to grow in your atheism. think deep before asking question next time. the guy answering you did not realized it. anyway bye bye.

vaxx:
Your question if faulty and illogical. and i am correcting you on it. this is a public forum,. your question itself is illogical , how will you get a logical answer. i think you need to grow in your atheism. think deep before ask question next time. the guy answering you did not realized it. anyway bye bye.

boy stop proving that you are smart. I asked a genuine question. Everything doesn't start or end with logic, we only use logic to interpret and prove what we fully understood. If you can't reason above average intelligence stop quoting me.

I will ask you this question and I want to see how vast you are logically; Why am I existing as a human being? Proof logically

ABBkelvin:
boy stop proving that you are smart. I asked a genuine question. Everything doesn't start or end with logic, we only use logic to interpret and prove what we fully understood. If you can't reason above average intelligence stop quoting me.

I will ask you this question and I want to see how vast you are logically; Why am I existing as a human being? Proof logically

Go thru this link.justice is done to your question. only read my quote, forget about the rest. https://www.nairaland.com/4305168/what-purpose-earth-worth-reading. you will never learn new things until you begin to accept you are wrong.

vaxx:
Go thru this link.justice is done to your question. only read my quote, forget about the rest. https://www.nairaland.com/4305168/what-purpose-earth-worth-reading. you will never learn new until you accept you are wrong.

There's nothing like justice, that's just society configuration after millions of behavioral evolution. I can see you are still operating in the realm of what should be right or how things are meant to be. That's where you will always be wrong, you're just a mere human that live and die, that's the end. So if you can't answer any of my question, feel free to revel in you sheer intelligence that will stop you from dying and in turns makes you live forever. Thanks

Ronpet777:

I am finding this knowledge very interesting but not strong enough to change my stand on believing 'Yahweh' as d almighty of them all and d reason for existence itself.

You don't need to disbelieve Yahweh as d almighty God, same way other religious people won't need to disbelieve their own god as the Almighty God, but the truth remains that God Almighty is far greater than any of them and none of them can come as close as 1/infinity in comparison with GOD.

ABBkelvin:

There's nothing like justice, that's just society configuration after millions of behavioral evolution. I can see you are still operating in the realm of what should be right or how things are meant to be. That's where you will always be wrong, you're just a mere human that live and die, that's the end. So if you can't answer any of my question, feel free to revel in you sheer intelligence that will stop you from dying and in turns makes you live forever. Thanks

you are committing what is term as loaded question fallacy. bye . i mean it this time

You shouldn't be surprised. There are also rapists, pedophiles and murderers lurking on Nairaland. Atheists hide in the shadows just like them and also possess the same hatred of God.

OtemAtum:
You don't need to disbelieve Yahweh as d almighty God, same way other religious people won't need to disbelieve their own god as the Almighty God, but the truth remains that God Almighty is far greater than any of them and none of them can come as close as 1/infinity in comparison with GOD.

I don't seem to comprehend perfectly. Do u mean to say Yahweh is not the almighty God??

vaxx:
Then it is illogical, No good student willing to learn will ask for a purpose of a device without learning what the device is meant to do . for example what is computer will answer its purpose, i do not need to ask what is the purpose of a computer when i do not know what it is. it will be very unintelligent to do so.

Ronpet777:

I don't seem to comprehend perfectly. Do u mean to say Yahweh is not the almighty God??

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

rekinomtla:
You shouldn't be surprised. There are also rapists, pedophiles and murderers lurking on Nairaland. Atheists hide in the shadows just like them and also possess the same hatred of God.

Since I was born and now I am getting old, I ave never heard of or seen a rapist, a murderer etc who is a murderer but I ave heard of many Christian pastors who are evil. It is ironical I guess.

OtemAtum:
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

May He prove Himself in ur life and make a disciple out of u IJN!

OtemAtum:
Since I was born and now I am getting old, I ave never heard of or seen a rapist, a murderer etc who is a murderer but I ave heard of many Christian pastors who are evil. It is ironical I guess.

Modify d comment, there is something missing. By d way, I'm sure u hvn't really moved far at all. Homicide and crime cases are astronomical in d US where they hv gravitated to atheism. They no longer bliv God and crime has accelerated.

Ronpet777:

May He prove Himself in ur life and make a disciple out of u IJN!

Only those who don't know their mission on earth will be shoved to and fro by some gods. I know what I have come to do on earth and it is definitely not to be a disciple of any god but to reveal the truth of the universe to the earth and to deliver billions of people from the mind slavery of religion. Our ancestors will laugh at your prayer because it would sound to weird to them that Otem their son could be brought as low as becoming a disciple of Yahweh, a foreign ancestor.

Ronpet777:

Modify d comment, there is something missing. By d way, I'm sure u hvn't really moved far at all. Homicide and crime cases are astronomical in d US where they hv gravitated to atheism. They no longer bliv God and crime has accelerated.

I am talking about a Nigerian atheist, not in the US. I have known pastors here in Nigeria who were caught as rapists, murderer, but I have never heard of any Nigerian atheist do so. If any, can you name?

OtemAtum:
I am talking about a Nigerian atheist, not in the US. I have known pastors here in Nigeria who were caught as rapists, murderer, but I have never heard of any Nigerian atheist do so. If any, can you name?

I don't attach much importance to d tag 'pastor' these days my brother. Every one is a Pastor now. These pple only bear d name to cover up. D Bible says many will come. in my name in d last days and will even do miracles, but they r not called by me. A true bliver will look onto d Messiah not mere men with huge tags like pastor, reverend, Bishop and so on. These pple don't knw jack about God.
And for atheist in Nigeria, how can I knw them? Is there an atheist church? It is easy to knw a xtain n a Muslim and not an atheist.

Ronpet777:

I don't attach much importance to d tag 'pastor' these days my brother. Every one is a Pastor now. These pple only bear d name to cover up. D Bible says many will come. in my name in d last days and will even do miracles, but they r not called by me. A true bliver will look onto d Messiah not mere men with huge tags like pastor, reverend, Bishop and so on. These pple don't knw jack about God.
And for atheist in Nigeria, how can I knw them? Is there an atheist church? It is easy to knw a xtain n a Muslim and not an atheist.

Okay, so you mean the atheists were the ones committing those crimes under the guises of Christianity and Islam? Well, I know two atheists or simply put, irreligious people in the name Tai Solarin and Wole Soyinka, who were moral and did not do evil to humanity, yet they don't believe in Yahweh or Allah. This is to tell you that atheism has nothing to do with evil-doing. It is just a state of mind of disbelieving one more god, while theism is a state of mind of believing just one out of the 4200+ known gods. I don't see much difference between you two.

Op, for your sake and the sake of your beliefs leave atheists alone. Their logic and intellectual acumen and ability to argue brilliantly will make you question your belief in God.

Ronpet777:

Modify d comment, there is something missing. By d way, I'm sure u hvn't really moved far at all. Homicide and crime cases are astronomical in d US where they hv gravitated to atheism. They no longer bliv God and crime has accelerated.

The U.S is a Christian country a good percentage of the population believe in God,the only thing is that they don't take religion too seriously, they are very secular,religion is much more like entertainment over there

OtemAtum:


Okay, so you mean the atheists were the ones committing those crimes under the guises of Christianity and Islam? Well, I know two atheists or simply put, irreligious people in the name Tai Solarin and Wole Soyinka, who were moral and did not do evil to humanity, yet they don't believe in Yahweh or Allah. This is to tell you that atheism has nothing to do with evil-doing. It is just a state of mind of disbelieving one more god, while theism is a state of mind of believing just one out of the 4200+ known gods. I don't see much difference between you two.

OK, I get u then. Until now, d Atheism idea has never been clear to me. But maybe I am seeing it from a new pair of spectacles. It still puzzles me how one will not believe in any God. D issue I hv with d idea is that by leaving ur mind blank, u expose it to so much mysteries. D Western world r suffering from this as their freedom from religion is pushing them to perversion. Debasing things like homosexualism, nudity and more hv crept in on them.

MrBottle:
Op, for your sake and the sake of your beliefs leave atheists alone. Their logic and intellectual acumen and ability to argue brilliantly will make you question your believe in God.

MrBottle:
Op, for your sake and the sake of your beliefs leave atheists alone. Their logic and intellectual acumen and ability to argue brilliantly will make you question your belief in God.

Hahahahahahahaha! Then it shows how shallow my believe in God must be to be swayed by sophisticated and seductive analysis. I must say I find them to be very brainy though.