hopefulLandlord:


I still haven't seen any list you're talking about

BTW are you not Talking about the same Faxole? its a pity the thread is deleted but all I challenged him for are 2 things

1. Nigeria morals is being influenced mainly by Christianity

2. USA is founded on Christian principles

I then supported Darkchild's argument about alcohol and homosexuality then debated Emannystone on Introverts are sad and lonely claim. I always pick my battles so I usually know exactly what I'm arguing for or against.

I hope Faxole or anyone else (asides the attention seeker of course) can correct me if I did argue against suicide with Faxole on that thread

All these are still beside the point, Let's assume Faxole and I did argue suicide, how does that stop you giving the list you claim you have links to? why are you dragging this on and on and on?

the thread is down, the guy made mention of names of prominent philosopher that went on a succide mission just for the fact that they accept GOD did not exist when engaging martins, you challenge him on another point which he raised concerning the foundation of USA . martins19 testify? i have done justice to your questin enough bro?

hopefulLandlord:


I still haven't seen any list you're talking about

BTW are you not Talking about the same Faxole? its a pity the thread is deleted but all I challenged him for are 2 things

1. Nigeria morals is being influenced mainly by Christianity

2. USA is founded on Christian principles

I then supported Darkchild's argument about alcohol and homosexuality then debated Emannystone on Introverts are sad and lonely claim. I always pick my battles so I usually know exactly what I'm arguing for or against.

I hope Faxole or anyone else (asides the attention seeker of course) can correct me if I did argue against suicide with Faxole on that thread

All these are still beside the point, Let's assume Faxole and I did argue suicide, how does that stop you giving the list you claim you have links to? why are you dragging this on and on and on?

the thread is down, the guy made mention of names of prominent atheist philosopher that went on a suicide mission just for the fact that they accept GOD did not exist when engaging martins, you challenge him on another point which he raised concerning the foundation of USA . martins19 testify? i have done justice to your questin enough bro?

vaxx:
the thread is down, the guy made mention of names of prominent philosopher that went on a suicide mission just for the fact that they accept GOD did not exist when engaging martins, you challenge him on another point which he raised concerning the foundation of USA . martins19 testify? i have done justice to your questin enough bro?

no you haven't! you still haven't given any list!! all you've done is raise another question and defeat it while pretending you've addressed the main question

If Faxole did give names and you know those names, nothing stops you from giving it too, it seems you're hiding behind Faxole's deleted posts as a way to avoid admitting you have no such list you claimed to have

hopefulLandlord:


I still haven't seen any list you're talking about

BTW are you not Talking about the same Faxole? its a pity the thread is deleted but all I challenged him for are 2 things

1. Nigeria morals is being influenced mainly by Christianity

2. USA is founded on Christian principles

I then supported Darkchild's argument about alcohol and homosexuality then debated Emannystone on Introverts are sad and lonely claim. I always pick my battles so I usually know exactly what I'm arguing for or against.

I hope Faxole or anyone else (asides the attention seeker of course) can correct me if I did argue against suicide with Faxole on that thread

All these are still beside the point, Let's assume Faxole and I did argue suicide, how does that stop you giving the list you claim you have links to? why are you dragging this on and on and on?

Be there lists or not the fact remains "according to available credible research submissions) that atheists hold a very high suicidal tendency.

You would do well to know that these researches were carried out on selected candidates who were either self confessed atheists or self confessed religious.

Surely you would not expect a suicidal person to have his name published in a research paper. Scientific research Shields the identity of their test subjects unless that test subject permits their information to be public knowledge.

Would you like your hospital or clinic to publish your name online that you came in for an HIV test?

Keep on deceiving yourself by denying the obvious by asking for a list when research submissions are available on the same google.

hopefulLandlord:

no you haven't! you still haven't given any list!! all you've done is raise another question and defeat it while pretending you've addressed the main question

If Faxole did give names and you know those names, nothing stops you from giving it too, it seems you're hiding behind Faxole's deleted posts as a way to avoid admitting you have no such list you claimed to have

I was on that thread too and I saw the names he mentioned but did not commit them to memory and you should know me by now that if I remembered those names I personally would not wait for vaxx to drop them ,I would throw them at you like grenades.

Faxole mentioned those names and you never denied that statement but went on to ask him about countries and stuff like that. You know how to pick your arguments and I am sure you knew that if you had gone down the road of those names with him you would fail woefully same as you are doing here by asking for a list while trying to avoid the numerous scientific research submissions on the same matter thrown at you.

hopefulLandlord:

no you haven't! you still haven't given any list!! all you've done is raise another question and defeat it while pretending you've addressed the main question

If Faxole did give names and you know those names, nothing stops you from giving it too, it seems you're hiding behind Faxole's deleted posts as a way to avoid admitting you have no such list you claimed to have

may be marthins19 will not be bias or faxhole himself will confirm this issue . l wish i can give you the names as fax name it, but i can not have access to it. i am sure you aware. but you decide to keep shut about it budaatum can testify? budaatum hope you read the post of fax with marthin19 when he gave the names of scholar who went on suicide mission when they conclude that GOD is not real.these moniker i mention are atheist

vaxx:
may be marthins19 will not be bias or faxhole himself satisfy this issue . l wish i can give you the names as fax name it, but i can not have access to it. i am sure you aware. but you decide to keep shut about it budaatum can testify? budaatum hope you read the post of fax with marthin19 when he gave the names of scholar who went on suicide mission when they conclude that GOD is not real.these moniker i mention are atheist

What's the dispute about?

vaxx:
may be marthins19 will not be bias or faxhole himself satify this issue . l wish i can give you the names as fax name it, but i can not have access to it. i am sure you aware. but you decide to keep short about it budaatum can testify? budaatum hope you read the post of fax wiith marthin19 when he gave the names of scholar who went on suicide mission when they conclude that GOD is not real

below is your post which I challenged

The only evidence the dude can use is the list of prominent people that are actually atheist(well known)and this list is available online.

take not of the bolded

if its so available online as you're claiming, then Faxole's deleted posts shouldn't be the only thing you have

Lionbutterfly:


I was on that thread too and I saw the names he mentioned but did not commit them to memory and you should know me by now that if I remembered those names I personally would not wait for vaxx to drop them ,I would throw them at you like grenades.

Faxole mentioned those names and you never denied that statement but went on to ask him about countries and stuff like that. You know how to pick your arguments and I am sure you knew that if you had gone down the road of those names with him you would fail woefully same as you are doing here by asking for a list while trying to avoid the numerous scientific research submissions on the same matter thrown at you.

i do not want to include you, he did not trust you. thanks

hopefulLandlord:


below is your post which I challenged


take not of the bolded

if its so available online as you're claiming, then Faxole's deleted posts shouldn't be the only thing you have

see yourself, when evidence is thrown at your face, you are looking for another option to avoid it. well i do not stereotype, i do not like picking on names. mine is to give evidence base on proof. which i did. fax is here himself.

vaxx:
i do not want to include you, he did not trust you. thanks

He may as well not trust himself since he is clearly being deceptive.

vaxx:
see yourself, when evidence is thrown at your face, you are looking for another option to avoid it. well i do not stereotype, i do not like picking on names. mine is to give evidence base on proof. which i did. fax is here himself.

So after all is said and done, after pages upon pages of asking you the same question and you throwing an answer to a different question, you're now admitting you have no such list?

Tell Faxole, he might save you the embarrassment

Let me do the talking self

Faxole, do you have a list of prominent atheists that tried committing/successfully committed suicide because they are atheist?

HopefulLandlor-d, you're really trying o-o.

hopefulLandlord:
Let me do the talking self

Faxole, do you have a list of prominent atheists that tried committing/successfully committed suicide because they are atheist?

I listed Atheists who experienced depression and extreme psychological crises when contemplating the lack of meaning in life. I didn't mention any atheist who attempted suicide. I said I had read of one who actually committed suicide, but I forgot his name. I only said statistically, atheists tend to make more suicide attempts than religious people.

This argument on suicide wasn't between me and you. It was between me and Martinez. The argument I had with you was on christian values and how it had influenced western culture and the Nigerian society.

adepeter2027:
HopefulLandlor-d, you're really trying o-o.

Bros, e no easy haha

TBH Vaxx is one of the few people I have that kind of Patience for, I would've moved away if it were some other people

hopefulLandlord:


So after all is said and done, after pages upon pages of asking you the same question and you throwing an answer to a different question, you're now admitting you have no such list?

Tell Faxole, he might save you the embarrassment

bro you are the one being embarrassed here. first you said conservapedia is unreliable, which i throw evidence into your face that it use the same citation techniques like wikipedia,and if you arguing on the neutrality, the same can also be said about wikipedia. you cough it in

Again you reject that fax actually gives names. i also throw it to your face your are lying again. have you seen yourself. stop being unnecessary arrogant. am here to learn , i nor dey do too know. I HAVE GIVEN YOU ABOUT FIVE LINKS HERE. you are still asking the same question within the same circle.

Faxole:


I listed Atheists who experienced depression and extreme psychological crises when contemplating the lack of meaning of life. I didn't mention any atheist who attempted suicide. I said I had read of one who actually committed suicide, but I forgot his name. I only said statistically, atheists tend to make more suicide attempts than religious people.

This argument on suicide wasn't between me and you. It was between me and Martinez. The argument I had with you was on christian values and how it had influenced western culture and the Nigerian society.

cc vaxx

Faxole:


I listed Atheists who experienced depression and extreme psychological crises when contemplating the lack of meaning of life. I didn't mention any atheist who attempted suicide. I said I had read of one who actually committed suicide, but I forgot his name. I only said statistically, atheists tend to make more suicide attempts than religious people.

This argument on suicide wasn't between me and you. It was between me and Martinez. The argument I had with you was on christian values and how it had influenced western culture and the Nigerian society.

thanks for the justice

vaxx:
bro you are the one being embarrassed here. first you said conservapedia is unreliable, which i throw evidence into your face that it use the same citation techniques like wikipedia,and if you arguing on the neutrality, the same can also be said about wikipedia. you cough it in

Again you reject that fax actually gives names. i also throw it to your face your are lying again. have you seen yourself. stop being unnecessary arrogant. am here to learn , i nor dey do too know. I HAVE GIVEN YOU ABOUT FIVE LINKS HERE. you are still asking the same question within the same circle.

There is this lady known as Lacy sturm a very well known rock singer today. She was formerly the lead singer for the rock group flyleaf. Here is her own story as a suicidal atheist and how she came to God

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/11/21/christian-singer-lacey-sturm-god-saved-me-from-suicide.amp.html

vaxx:
bro you are the one being embarrassed here. first you said conservapedia is unreliable, which i throw evidence into your face that it use the same citation techniques like wikipedia,and if you arguing on the neutrality, the same can also be said about wikipedia. you cough it in

Again you reject that fax actually gives names. i also throw it to your face your are lying again. have you seen yourself. stop being unnecessary arrogant. am here to learn , i nor dey do too know. I HAVE GIVEN YOU ABOUT FIVE LINKS HERE. you are still asking the same question within the same circle.

sir, the links you've been giving are not what your claim is about so I rightly ignored them. Conservapedia/Wikipedia argument I ignored after it seems to drag this discourse off course

I did not reject faxole giving names, I said we didn't debate it together. He's also come in and said he never gave such names so where's your god now?

I try hard to stay on topic and face one discussion at a time

hopefulLandlord:
cc vaxx

the guy has done the justice,

Faxole:


I listed Atheists who experienced depression and extreme psychological crises when contemplating the lack of meaning of life. I didn't mention any atheist who attempted suicide. I said I had read of one who actually committed suicide, but I forgot his name. I only said statistically, atheists tend to make more suicide attempts than religious people.

This argument on suicide wasn't between me and you. It was between me and Martinez. The argument I had with you was on christian values and how it had influenced western culture and the Nigerian society.

Thank you. You mentioned depression and I included depression and sadness to that. And of course from the articles we have presented here on this thread, depression is very high in atheism and from this extreme depression comes suicidal thoughts and acts which is the issue of argument here now.

One (hopefullandlord) does not believe this to be true despite all the unbiased articles submitted

The other (S) (vaxx and myself) are the ones who presented scientific research articles to buttress this suicidal tendencies among atheists.

Even a hard core vocal atheist presented an article of his own and he blasted his fellow atheists who deliberately deny the obvious depression and high suicidal tendency among the atheist community.

Rather what he wants to see is a list of these suicidal atheists like WTF.

Ronpet777:
Never in my life hv I seen a collection of people who so vehemently resist any comment that ascribe glory and praise to God until I joined NL. I used to believe d idea was completely foreign until I joined Nairaland and realised they almost outnumber we the believers in God the creator of all.
I am not creating this to oppose such thought process which I felt was just theoretical as I knw science tend to call anything they don't have proof of Mythical.
But for an African person who has probably heard from reliable sources things that happen in the spiritual and the existence of God who does things when his followers call him in whichever name they knw him as, to still believe there is no God, goes far beyond me.
Cud there be any special reasons why so many Nairalanders are Atheists who hv no affiliation to religion and doubt the existence of God?
cc : Lalasticlala
cc: seun

They are fake atheists.

The meditate on Indian Gods and believe in cultism/satanism. Most of them.

The real Atheists are about 1% of that number.

Muafrika2:

They are fake atheists.

The meditate on Indian Gods and believe in cultism/satanism. Most of them.

The real Atheists are about 1% of that number.

hopefulLandlord:


sir, the links you've been giving are not what your claim is about so I rightly ignored them. Conservapedia/Wikipedia argument I ignored after it seems to drag this discourse off course

I did not reject faxole giving names, I said we didn't debate it together. He's also come in and said he never gave such names so where's your god now?

I try hard to stay on topic and face one discussion at a time

have you genuinely study the links yourself? PLEASE BE SINCERE

you did not ignored conservepedia/wikipedia argument, if you did,you will not mentions the moniker you discuss the issue with , you actually wanted to make the evidence fall flat in which i correct you.

so giving references equals to stay out of topics? I DO NOT GET YOU BRO

fax already confirm the names of the atheist himself? so where will you hide now? yes he did not give names of the atheist that have
commit suicide but names of the atheist attempting to commit suicide .

vaxx:


fax already confirm the names of the atheist himself? so where will you hide now? yes he did not give names of the atheist that have commit suicide but names of the atheist attempting to commit suicide

Why are you lying again even though the evidence to the contrary is a few posts before yours? below is Faxole's post, take note of the bolded

Faxole:


I listed Atheists who experienced depression and extreme psychological crises when contemplating the lack of meaning in life. I didn't mention any atheist who attempted suicide.

The list has been my argument from the get go and I didn't even bother visiting any of the links you threw at me except the link you called "the list" which happened to be a deleted page

hopefulLandlord:


Why are you lying again even though the evidence to the contrary is a few posts before yours? below is Faxole's post, take note of the bolded



The list has been my argument from the get go and I didn't even bother visiting any of the links you threw at me except the link you called the list which happened to be a deleted page

BRO AM NOT GONNA ARGUE THIS. IT IS OK.

This is one reason I bow out of arguments pretty fast when I realise its heading nowhere

I argue to learn something new NOT win, people mistake my arguing for the latter

I already knew list of prominent atheists that would show most of them attempted suicide is like Yahweh, nowhere to be found. I make my search before challenging a claim unless I feel its too stupid to even be worth searching for or my fingers raced faster than my brain. But I decided to see if someone has such a list, who knows he might know a way to search for that which I didn't know before but all I got are articles which I was already aware of and Is not what I was asking for

I decided to ignore any attempt at shifting the discussion away from what I'm challenging only for them to say the list is in a thread Faxole posted, Faxole himself has come in to say all he did was mention names of atheists that became "Depressed" and had "psychological crisis" NOT suicidal/committed suicide like they've been claiming but this still hasn't deterred them from claiming Faxole's post buttresses THEIR own opinion even though its exactly the opposite

I rest my case

you can not learn anything from your opponent, if you have developed the mind of mocking. . even after

vaxx:
you can not learn anything from your opponent, if you have developed the mind of mocking. . even after

Apologies if you feel my posts made mockery of you as none of my posts are intended to mock whom I'm debating with. I may mock the argument/the idea being held by whom I'm debating though and those aren't unintentional at all

vaxx:
i do not stereotype, that is an evidence on your side bro. i am aware is a christian website but it is also linked to references you can not discard all entirely . we should not be arguing in circle. check the links , argue it over and see were it flaws. do not hide under the canopy of calling it a Christian website. there are references in it.

Hi Vaxx, ill rather call it a truth website. I wouldn't call Wikipedia an atheist website simply because its co owned by sworn atheist Jimmy Wales, with numerous proofs of Wikipedia's bias on certain topics such as intelligent design, abortion, homosexuality and several others. Truth can be gotten from anywhere. Answersingenesis is also a great source of truth, you can always rely on the pointers to evidence. Also I think you waste your time debating with this person, he's been on this for years and I don't think he's any less angry with God. You can check for proof in some of my threads. The real deal is outside. Souls are being won on the outside, people are waking up to true Christianity, don't waste your time with this guy.