Buterflylion:


Ignore that one. He is angry at everything both living and dead, sensible and nonsensical. He is even angry at the air you breath simply because you breath it same way he does. They abhor truth and it shouldn't be a wonder why.

Ronpet777:

And what proof hv u of that? Speak for urself Seun. That might hv happened to u because u probably sought knowledge with a slightly distorted bias.

Seun at some point was a believer, if he believed and wanted to seek more knowledge then how did you deduce that he had distorted bias? Is that even possible to be in the affirmative and non-affirmative at the same time?
If you stopped replying his posts with sentiment you can engage him to see him as just the same normal human being as you but with different beliefs.

Buterflylion:


https://www.askanatheist.org/famous.html

http://www.celebatheists.com/wiki/Ernest_Hemingway



He was an atheist the whole world knows this but trust Wiki to adjust certain information about him since the Co owner is an atheist.

I didn't know that. I knew nothing about him and the sources I found did not say he was an atheist. Thanks for the info.

Ronpet777:

How can pple twist obvious things so much here. I keep finding new things that makes most pple dread arguing with atheist. Some of them. can be very sly in their argument.
U can imagine twisting things as clear as this.
How can we then argue objectively?? when pple cant just swallow simple truths.

The below quote must've skipped your attention

hopefulLandlord:


Yes I've read a lot about him over the years and I'm very curious how you connected his suicide to his "faith"

This is exactly why I kept asking for names, to scrutinise the bullsheet claim made about dead people by apologists/fundies

let's hear it, and maybe while you're at it you can also connect Chris Benoit's suicide to his "faith"

also connect Chester Bennington's suicide to his faith too

Ronpet777:

Y did u wait to read someone else's search to knw things. I didn't bring anything up. Check my comment. He said I lied abt suicidal atheist and dared me to mention a name. I told him to go make research on that name. I thought u were supposed to do that too instead of relying on someone else's selective reading to make ur conclusion. Pls read abt it urself and then u can begin ur argument.

I did not ask you for a name! I know of atheists who have committed suicide myself. Your statement was that more atheists commit suicide, and not one person did. And my initial research into Hemingway did not point to his atheism.

budaatum:

I did not ask you for a name! I know of atheists who have committed suicide myself. Your statement was that more atheists commit suicide, and not one person did. And my initial research into Hemingway did not point to his atheism.

He's stonewalling, using any form of negativity he can find and attributing it to atheism

budaatum:

They are programmed to believe that if they doubt their holy book it is Satan trying to deceive them and if they question their so called words of their gods they are going to hell, so they dare not question or doubt. Pity they don't see their preachers have replaced their gods. But how could they? Did they not replace their god with a messiah too anyway?

U shld by now hv found out that there r many professors and scholars among Christians. We are as curious as u r for the truth and hv 'questioned'd stories as u did at some point. The difference is that we found answers to our curiosity in all honesty and heaven is my witness, and it's d reason I believe that ur hrt can never receive d truth when it is already fashioned against it. D more I meet pple like u and try to knw my stand d more I stand more firmly on d rock of salvation. It is REAL bro... May u find it in this world before d next.

vaxx:
lol....hope you are getting their tricks now.

Shame on you. I know you know better than this.

vaxx:
Martinz19, about the issue you mention me to address.

Personally,I think seun did the right thing to close down that thread, I was even expecting it .....

The thread was turn to hot gossip, instead of knowledge sharing. I try to focus the topic on a new thing but people were so concerned about seun personal life. ...... It shock me..

I don't know what happened that led to the closure of that thread but since the thread was focused on atheists and their personal lives, why would you find it shocking that se.un was used as an example?

I only had issues with the claims associated with him which couldn't be verified.

But as far as I'm concerned, they were all related because I got to know the personal views of some atheists like the one who created the thread on why atheists can be said to be depressed or lonely, why not all of them are depressed and how the environment play a role in their depression.

Indeed there are. I have family members amongst them. And many friends too. Brilliant people. I also have the stupid sort, family mostly, and some acquaintances. And I know smart atheists, as well as very ignorant ones.

The smart ones don't make blind statements with no evidence to back it up just to prove their points.

Ronpet777:

U shld by now hv found out that there r many professors and scholars among Christians. We are as curious as u r for the truth and hv 'questioned'd stories as u did at some point. The difference is that we found answers to our curiosity in all honesty and heaven is my witness. The reason I believe that ur hrt can never receive d truth when it is already fashioned against it. D more I meet pple like u and try to knw my stand d more I stand more firmly on d rock of salvation. It is REAL bro... May u find it in this world before d next.

davien:
He's stonewalling, using any form of negativity he can find and attributing it to atheism

Wouldn't surprise me if they open a thread claiming "atheism kills".

davien:
He's stonewalling, using any form of negativity he can find and attributing it to atheism

The usual apologist trick

Scenario 1: Atheist committed suicide

Apologist: His atheism is responsible

Scenario 2: Christian committed suicide

Apologist: His religion had nothing to do with it, he was just mentally ill and clinically depressed, the problems eventually overwhelmed him

budaatum:

Shame on you. I know you know better than this.

mr budaa?

bennyann:


I don't know what happened that led to the closure of that thread but since the thread was focused on atheists and their personal lives, why would you find it shocking that se.un was used as an example?

I only had issues with the claims associated with him which couldn't be verified.

But as far as I'm concerned, they were all related because I got to know the personal views of some atheists like the one who created the thread on why atheists can be said to be depressed or lonely, why not all of them are depressed and how the environment play a role in their depression.

i will not like to discuss on the issue further. Thanks

budaatum:

Wouldn't surprise me if they open a thread claiming "atheism kills".

Went on a long break due to the same dumb topics that have been discussed and concluded over and over again..

budaatum:

Do note that this is the www. Evidence is key. In my post, I said I have not read his work and showed you what I found with a vaxx like caveat, "sounds like he was a believer!". If I had found he was an atheist, I would have to be stupid to wish to intentionally hide the fact!

Do note that you are meant to provide evidence for more atheists committing suicide than believers. The mere fact that there are so few atheists is sufficient to debunk that idea. I've said it before and will repeat it here. If all the atheists committed suicide, they still would not be as many as the believers who commit suicide. Same as you would find more believers in prison. Its not because more believers commit crimes or suicide, but just that there are more believers, period!

Your words in bold just put the fear of God into me

I am scared shîtless right now

vaxx:
i will not like to discuss on the issue further. Thanks

It's OK. Wasn't expecting you to. That was never my intention.

bennyann:


I don't know what happened that led to the closure of that thread but since the thread was focused on atheists and their personal lives, why would you find it shocking that se.un was used as an example?

I only had issues with the claims associated with him which couldn't be verified.

But as far as I'm concerned, they were all related because I got to know the personal views of some atheists like the one who created the thread on why atheists can be said to be depressed or lonely, why not all of them are depressed and how the environment play a role in their depression.

The thread descended into Christians trying their hardest to project "sadness and loneliness" into Se.UN's life under the idiocy of "I know in my spirit that he is" while trying hard to make their conclusion a logical one by citing others that share the same opinion about Se.un and those "others" happen to be theists that call him that whenever Se.un is throwing their imaginary friend into the trashcan where it belongs

budaatum:

I did not ask you for a name! I know of atheists who have committed suicide myself. Your statement was that more atheists commit suicide, and not one person did. And my initial research into Hemingway did not point to his atheism.

Cc vaxx and hopefullandlord

Ahem! Hopefullandlord would like you to list the names of these atheists you know who have committed suicide.

Buterflylion:


Cc vaxx and hopefullandlord

Ahem! Hopefullandlord would like you to list the names of these atheists you know who have committed suicide.

I said I know of atheist who have committed. For your information, I also know of theists who have committed suicide. And no, I will not name either as no one is arguing that people on both sides don't commit suicide.

The argument was which commits suicide more!

hopefulLandlord:


The thread descended into Christians trying their hardest to project "sadness and loneliness" into Se.UN's life under the idiocy of "I know in my spirit that he is" while trying hard to make their conclusion a logical one by citing others that share the same opinion about Se.un and those "others" happen to be theists that call him that whenever Se.un is throwing their imaginary friend into the trashcan where it belongs

Supported! Good it was closed then. Thank you.

budaatum:

I said I know of atheist who have committed. For your information, I also know of theists who have committed suicide. And no, I will not name either as no one is arguing that people on both sides don't commit suicide.

The argument was which commits suicide more!

What a cop out. First you mentioned only atheists you know who have committed suicide and when I asked for their list you now said you ALSO know theists who have done same.

Was my question about something you did not say or something you actually said?

budaatum:

I said I know of atheist who have committed. For your information, I also know of theists who have committed suicide. And no, I will not name either as no one is arguing that people on both sides don't commit suicide.

The argument was which commits suicide more!

listing the names is not a good way to be truthful on the subject. But I have provide Five evidence on the subject for you to learn from....all these links are very much academia,therefore the bias is very minimal.

Buterflylion:


What a cop out. First you mentioned only atheists you know who have committed suicide and when I asked for their list you now said you ALSO know theists who have done same.

Was my question about something you did not say or something you actually said?

Here you go trying to waste my time! I did not say I know theists because it wasn't the point. I did however state that more theists have committed suicide than all the atheist currently alive. You did bold it and quiver in fear when you quoted me!

Is this is one if your be not smart days by any chance? Shall I wait till tomorrow?

bennyann:


Supported! Good it was closed then. Thank you.

Closed, good. But deleted too? That's no good! A lot of work went into it!

budaatum:

Here you go trying to waste my time! I did not say I know theists because it wasn't the point. I did however state that more theists have committed suicide than all the atheist currently alive. You did bold it and quiver in fear when you quoted me!

Is this is one if your be not smart days by any chance? Shall I wait till tomorrow?

Those were 2 separate comments and I made my observation as they came and I asked that you name the atheists you know who have committed suicide because hopefullandlord expects to see a list online which says atheism made so and so commit suicide.

Meanwhile even atheists have declared what atheism pushed them to become and majority of them all said the same thing. Atheism pushed them to depression and suicidal thoughts and it's no surprise because scientific studies have shown atheists to have high inclination toward suicide. It's like being in a freefall, knowing it and deliberately disconnecting the fail safe. No buffer, no emergency brakes, nothing to stop them.

Even atheists on reddit are singing the same song.

bennyann:


I don't know what happened that led to the closure of that thread but since the thread was focused on atheists and their personal lives, why would you find it shocking that se.un was used as an example?

I only had issues with the claims associated with him which couldn't be verified.

But as far as I'm concerned, they were all related because I got to know the personal views of some atheists like the one who created the thread on why atheists can be said to be depressed or lonely, why not all of them are depressed and how the environment play a role in their depression.

I beg no start d topic again here o. Make Dem no come close this one too like that one o. I dey learn more for here o.

Buterflylion:


Those were 2 separate comments and I made my observation as they came and I asked that you name the atheists you know who have committed suicide because hopefullandlord expects to see a list online which says atheism made so and so commit suicide.

Meanwhile even atheists have declareld what atheism pushed them to become and majority of them all said the same thing. Atheism pushed them to depression and suicidal thoughts and it's no surprise because scientific studies have shown atheists to have high inclination toward suicide. It's like being in a freefall, knowing it and deliberately disconnecting the fail safe. No buffer, no emergency brakes, nothing to stop them.

Even atheists on reddit are singing the same song.

This is the sort of stupid statement that started this off. If there are scientific studies, just post a link to them please! Or is it the elusive 22 Year Study I've been waiting months for?

budaatum:

This is the sort of stupid statement that started this off. If there are scientific studies, just post a link to them please! Or is it the elusive 22 Year Study I've been waiting months for?

Dude go through my posts on this thread and see the links for yourself and also the links posted by vaxx and stop acting like a dolt.

budaatum:

This is the sort of stupid statement that started this off. If there are scientific studies, just post a link to them please! Or is it the elusive 22 Year Study I've been waiting months for?

Watch him do either of two things

1. Dodge like a scammer

2. Post either a link from a shady source or post a study that does not agree with his point.

vaxx:
have you seen me bringing individual names to topic of discussion. I do not do that. It is not a good way to debate. I know names of the atheists I can mention but it is illogical. I will not want to argue on it bro.

you are saying a different thing bro... I am not sure u read my comment or if u are following.

your replied to the op was "hope u are getting their tricks now" and I am trying to let you see the hypocrisy in the op's response. Now your reply is a totally different thing, are are u responding to another person and mistakenly quoted me?

Ronpet777:

Y did u wait to read someone else's search to knw things. I didn't bring anything up. Check my comment. He said I lied abt suicidal atheist and dared me to mention a name. I told him to go make research on that name. I thought u were supposed to do that too instead of relying on someone else's selective reading to make ur conclusion. Pls read abt it urself and then u can begin ur argument.

well I didnt read about it myself. That is why we should be careful about the information we bring to the table.

the point i was trying to note is that, it has been proven that he did not kill himself because he was an atheist. You are calm, I expect you to be honest. You brought him up because you think he died because he was an atheist but it has been proven that he had defects and also family history.