OnyeOGA:


you are funny.
In the gospel according to St. John chapter 1:18-No One has ever seen God. The only Son, who is the same as God and is at the Father's side, he has made him known.
In chapter 5:19-So Jesus answered them,"I am telling you the truth:the Son can do nothing on his own; he does only what he sees his Father doing. What the Father does, the Son also does."
In chapter 10:36-"As for me, the Father chose me and sent me into the world. How, then, can you say that I blaspheme because I said that I am Son Of God?"
bro, God have mercy on you.

You just answered the question. Christ was beside his father, he does things he sees the father doing - Conclusion: Christ and his father are 2 separate individuals even though they have oneness of purpose

Ucheamani:


You just answered the question. Christ was beside his father, he does things he sees the father doing - Conclusion: Christ and his father are 2 separate individuals even though they have oneness of purpose

they are not separate, for He and His Father are one(John 10:30)

Acts 20:20
King James Bible
And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house,

Hairyrapunzel:


What about cart witnessing? Did the early Christians do this?

freshboi88:
Jws are not Christians and it is not a Christian group. Pple who don't believe Jesus is God are not followers of Jesus. Christians are pple who follow and worship Jesus not only in words but also in actions, in essence they act like Jesus, that's why they were called Christians n d first place.

And where in the Bible did Jesus proclaim to be God? Confuse set of people.

rottennaija:


You know one thing funny about you? I have gone through most things for your response in jw related issues. It seems you were planted here in nairaland to distract attention from issues by using ad hominem attack. You hardly deal with any issue raised.

Bros, answer the question I posted before beginning your attack on people.

Pls give us your own source and Authentic figure

oteneaaron:


Before you go into an argument on the "Trinity" doctrine with a JW, you have to be sure if your definition on Trinity and that of the JW are the same.

JW hold on to what we call an ARIAN doctrine in relation to the divinity of God and Jesus.

The incorrect definition of the Trinity according to JW--

"If he is one Jehovah, then could he be three gods, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost, as the Trinitarians teach?" Watchtower1970 Apr 1 p.210


The Original Doctrine of the Trinity maintains that,

1. There is only one God - Jehovah or Yahweh
2. The Father is God
3. Jesus the Son is God
4. The Holy Spirit is God
5 .The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct Persons


.....Just a tip of the Iceberg.

Cheers!

tikakakakakakaka.
Bro, it is obvious that you are a liar.
John 16:15-"All that my Father has is mine; that is why I said that the Spirit will take what I give Him and tell it to you."

OnyeOGA:

they are not separate, for He and His Father are one(John 10:30)

Oga,. Christ and his father have a oneness of purpose, they are not and can not be the same person - pls read John 17:20-21. Christ was praying to his father who is in heaven while he was on earth. Christ also said his father should glorify him according to the glory he had alongside him before the world was. John 17:5. Christ could not have been talking about oneness of entity when it was his father who ressurected him from death and in heaven, he sat at his right hand, so how are they the same person?

But pls I want to ask, is it in their constitution to carry bags? Can't they hold the bible in their hands?

Yeah, right! Just to make it known to you that every man has and makes a choice. Your choice is your belief and your belief is what guides your existence. Then, what dogma? The Bible says that we are either accused or excused, those who believe and those who do not. So, you are inexcusable before God, Sir.
Nobody is without a set of rule guiding them. There is always one written or by the conscience. God has made it clear to all men. It is your choice to ignore or embrace God's word.

Saverin:


put your head down and fight fight fight, never ever give up.

OnyeOGA:

tikakakakakakaka.
Bro, it is obvious that you are a liar.
John 16:15-"All that my Father has is mine; that is why I said that the Spirit will take what I give Him and tell it to you."

Typical.

You just jump and scream Liar!!!

Oga read thru what I said, and if you really don't understand, I can expantiate.

Ever occured to you if we're on the same side

If you consider your school (text)books precious enough, you keep them neatly in what is called a schoolbag; If your letter needs an envelope; If your bank card requires a wallet or purse; If your official documents require what we call an office bag or file, if your food requires a box; Our books and Bibles are equally precious to us and we neatly keep them in bags. If we naturally get the instinct to neatly package our items in bags or files, why not the spiritual items and foods?

Truth be told, the inventor of the modern bag offers all the privilege of comfort and decency. How many items can you grip in your palm and how comfortably can you grip them and for how long? We do not stop anyone from holding his Bible in his hand but we choose to keep our items in bags. Isn't it a turn in for the economy? Bag sellers are happy that we do.

I have seen how dog-eared many Bibles are and how dirty they look without a bag. Some have oil stains from beef stew, old and wrinkled stickers, sweat from the palm and even phlegm. Some use their Bibles as pillows and expose them to bedbugs, hair gel, hair lotions/spray, and sputum. That is what they choose to do to their Bibles and we cannot judge them. Jehovah's Witnesses choose to put their own Bibles in a bag and keep it neat. That is something to applaud, isn't it?

Bestman111:
But pls I want to ask, is it in their constitution to carry bags? Can't they hold the bible in their hands?

removetheturban:
It is always mature to be head-on with your truth. It is not NOW CLEAR, you have always held a partisan view of the JW. Sounding surprised like you just discovered America is puerile. We do not owe you anything at all. If you do not like us, we didn't set out to beg for it in the first place. You have your own religion, preach it! If you think that the JW are not doing enough, the land is still green for you. You can go ahead and enjoy the horizon.
We give the glory of our success to Jehovah God. No one takes the glory of all our works because Jesus said that he will prove to be with us and the angels are also ministers with us. If we do not tell our success granted to us by Jehovah's grace, who will do that for us? If you know how much you have achieved, tell the world.

We are over 8.4 million 'active' JW in 240 lands. That is the largest active army in the world. We set out in favorable and unfavorable seasons and we do not let up amidst the persecutions, bans, trials, attacks, killings etc. We have a long history of being victimized and if you keep up to date, there are more topics for you to publish against the JW. Someone just narrated how he prayed for a Voodoo priest and you cheered without confirming the story just because he is not a JW. Everything gets a pass as long as it is not the JW. You also copied your fellow persecutors.

Jesus gave us an assignment and that assignment, we must do regardless of what you or your cohorts do. We will declare Jehovah's mighty name, love and his kingdom. That is what Jesus came to the earth to do and he asked to advertise the kingdom because it will come just as in the days of Noah. Many were mocking Noah, many scornfully rejected the message and sanctimoniously insulted Noah and even incited their cohorts to mock Noah, not until the flood did they realize that the time was up.

We love you and encourage you to read your Bible. If you do not want to hear from the JW, we do not force you to. As long as you reject it, we will keep moving. We are not looking for population, but our interest is to share the word of God from the Bible with as many as we can before the time runs out.

So, free up your colleague because he does not owe you any explanation and the JW do not feel obliged to succumb to your reactions towards us. Jesus said, 'if they persecute me, they will persecute you also". We welcome the insults and blasphemy because they open the doors for conversations and for us to explain the Bible teachings to the people that we meet in our ministry. We have been doing this for over 100 years and we have been met with literally all kinds of it all.

My dear brother, thanks for your reply. I had honestly refused to grant that ignoramus an audience. No! not on a refreshing Sunday like this will I be wasting my time and resources on one attention seeking, confused and brain washed religious bigot. #GotBetaTinsToDo.

alBHAGDADI:
Mathew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Did you read the above verse? That was Jesus Christ speaking to his disciples and giving them a great commission. They are to go into all parts of the world and preach the gospel to every human on earth.

Today, the group called Jehovah's Witnesses often pride themselves saying they are the only ones doing that assignment given by Jesus Christ. Whenever they make such statement, they hardly get any objection cos most people have at one time had them knock on their door to preach to them. I also fell for that talk from them which made me see them as the only ones fulfilling Christ's commission. It made me feel bad about folds in Christianity cos I can't recall the last time someone approached me to preach.

Over the years, I've come to realize how much of a falsehood the statement is and how it positions them to reap from where they did not sow.
Where were the JW when Christians were facing challenges spreading the gospel in difficult parts of the world? Do you know the trouble faced by the missionaries who brought Christianity to Africa and even South America? They battled malaria, diseases, voodoo, ritualists, hostile communities, pagan beliefs and culture, wickedness, cannibalism etc. Yet, God helped them succeeded. That's why we have Christianity in Africa and other parts of the world. Did the JW face any of those or were part of those missionaries? NO.

When the missionaries had succeeded in establishing Christianity in major places, the JW now showed up when conditions had become favorable. What they are doing now is going from door to door, trying to convert Christians and turn them to JW. It now becomes nauseating that they are boasting of being the only organization that preaches from door to door. Where was the JW organization when conditions were harsh?

If they really want sensible people to accept their claims, then they should go establish in a ground that is hostile. They should try and establish Kingdom Halls in hostile Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc. They should go preach from door to door and see if they will last a day. Yet, we have Christian bodies in those countries going through the storm of persecution in those countries.

The Europe where JW are at peace today, do they know what the Catholic Church faced before Christianity could be established there?

So, before a JW boasts to you of how is Organization are the only ones pleaching from door to door, let him know that they were never around when conditions were harsh and hostile.

@ op, how did you get the second picture? Are you living around Urua Ekpa? cos I know all those people in the second picture.

rottennaija:


the questions were for you to answer. Do not try to shift it.




The sooner you woke to the disillusionment, the better. I am glad i woke from it before i clocked 30, not after spending decades like some people I have read of. When the present set of governing body members dies, and they look for another overlapping generation doctrine to cover up their mess, as 1914 keeps shifting into the far past, and their false prophecies keep failing, maybe then, you will be too ashamed to admit it that you had been a part of false religion, Babylon the great.

The same way the governing body teach JWs today practice lines on earthly paradise, nice home and new earth is the same way Rutherford taught JWs to practice lines on how to sell their publications on "millions now living will never die". See screen shot below:

As a false prophecy it was, it failed. Now, I am waiting for the "overlapping generation" to fail too and it will. Because, God never bless a false prophet by making their prophecies come true.

What is the need conversing with an apostate @removetheturban? Steer clear of those drowned or drowning. They have only one aim - To pull you along. #SayNoToApostatesAndApostacy!

Just a quick update! In those places that you mentioned, Christians have been there right from the 1st century. Churches were already established there by the Apostles FYI. Do not think that any organization went there to break virgin grounds.

Notwithstanding, I do not take away any effort by any religious organization anywhere. The fact is, if we do not tell our achievements, who will?

In Every media outlets and even during live shows (your) a church is advertised and we have no business in that. We do not use such medium now but when we talk about ourselves in very our own magazines, people come to criticise us. Are we going to spend our money to talk about another organization? They are our publications and they are made by us. Will outsiders who do not care about us decide what we put in our own publications?

To your questions of how many Kingdom Halls we have there, I would advise that you focus on the ones that are nearest to you. If you want more update about us, visit [url]jw.org[/url]

Emmanystone:

May be you should give tell us how many Kingdom Halls of the JW that are in these places. Shey you how cburches are being burnt and Christians killed in Afganistan and Pakistan, Egypt and the rest? How many are Jw kingdom Halls?

Ucheamani:

Over 600 Witnesses are currently in prison in south Korea, others are also imprisoned in Russia, Eritrea etc. So its better you ask if don't know

Where did you get this your statistics from? I asked for a link but you drew up a number.

Amd, do you mean North Korea? because South Korea is not Hostile to Christians. At not now.

I asked about something else, you said something else.

correctguy101:





Just go online and you'll get your answer. As for afganistan, I know nothing about a kingdom Hall there

Is it only Afganistan that's hostile to preachers of anything other than Islam?
Some hostile nations aren't even Muslims.

I only just mention Afghanistan because those people don't ask which denomination you belong before coming after you. They kill all Christians but Evangelicals are still there, missionaries are still being sent in there. Why aren't JW there too? Oh, wait!!!!, tjey wait for the storm to settle before they'll go and be pretending to evangelize the already saved souls. SMH

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Correctguy101 this guy here says Keyamo is not a withness. At least this one i heard it from from.

alBHAGDADI:
Mathew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Did you read the above verse? That was Jesus Christ speaking to his disciples and giving them a great commission. They are to go into all parts of the world and preach the gospel to every human on earth.

Today, the group called Jehovah's Witnesses often pride themselves saying they are the only ones doing that assignment given by Jesus Christ. Whenever they make such statement, they hardly get any objection cos most people have at one time had them knock on their door to preach to them. I also fell for that talk from them which made me see them as the only ones fulfilling Christ's commission. It made me feel bad about folds in Christianity cos I can't recall the last time someone approached me to preach.

Over the years, I've come to realize how much of a falsehood the statement is and how it positions them to reap from where they did not sow.
Where were the JW when Christians were facing challenges spreading the gospel in difficult parts of the world? Do you know the trouble faced by the missionaries who brought Christianity to Africa and even South America? They battled malaria, diseases, voodoo, ritualists, hostile communities, pagan beliefs and culture, wickedness, cannibalism etc. Yet, God helped them succeeded. That's why we have Christianity in Africa and other parts of the world. Did the JW face any of those or were part of those missionaries? NO.

When the missionaries had succeeded in establishing Christianity in major places, the JW now showed up when conditions had become favorable. What they are doing now is going from door to door, trying to convert Christians and turn them to JW. It now becomes nauseating that they are boasting of being the only organization that preaches from door to door. Where was the JW organization when conditions were harsh?

If they really want sensible people to accept their claims, then they should go establish in a ground that is hostile. They should try and establish Kingdom Halls in hostile Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc. They should go preach from door to door and see if they will last a day. Yet, we have Christian bodies in those countries going through the storm of persecution in those countries.

The Europe where JW are at peace today, do they know what the Catholic Church faced before Christianity could be established there?

So, before a JW boasts to you of how is Organization are the only ones preaching from door to door, let him know that they were never around when conditions were harsh and hostile.

in pakistan

rottennaija:


Did you confirm the statistics of 8.4m in 240 lands or you just believe it becomes it comes from your leader? Which independent source confirms? How ironic you believe in 8.4m in 240 lands without doubting because your leader says so but doubted at the idea someone converted a babalawo to accept christ?

Is it only JWs that love and encourage people to read the Bible?

How does asking someone to explain his stands and the person ignores it because it is not favorable counts for persecution?

Can you kindly point to the bible were Jesus came to the earth to declare Jehovahs mightiness?

You may read an independent assessment here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses

headTO:
please if you want to know about the activities of Jehovah's witnesses, visit jw.org. Go through it diligently and u will get answers to all your questions, instead of coming here to share falsehood about us and our activities in hostile lands.

This is nonsense and stupid logic haha

so we ask about PDP from PDP itself? isn't it obvious they would embellish whatever they're going to tell you or even lie to make themselves look better than they really are?

removetheturban:
Just a quick update! In those places that you mentioned, Christians have been there right from the 1st century. Churches were already established there by the Apostles FYI. Do not think that any organization went there to break virgin grounds.

Notwithstanding, I do not take away any effort by any religious organization anywhere. The fact is, if we do not tell our achievements, who will?

In Every media outlets and even during live shows (your) a church is advertised and we have no business in that. We do not use such medium now but when we talk about ourselves in very our own magazines, people come to criticise us. Are we going to spend our money to talk about another organization? They are our publications and they are made by us. Will outsiders who do not care about us decide what we put in our own publications?

To your questions of how many Kingdom Halls we have there, I would advise that you focus on the ones that are nearest to you. If you want more update about us, visit [url]jw.org[/url]

You mean Churches were grounded in Afghanistan before Islam took over that land?


You keep blowing hot air towards another direction. Wht doesn't JW go to Lands where Christians are being killed today? Do Evangelicals advertise their churches there?

The discussion is not about the ones that are in Conquered lands, we are talking about real Evangelism.
You don't Evangelize the Churched, you evangelize the Unchurched. My area is Churched.

Why don't you go to the Unchurched areas for evangelism is the question?.

You wait for the Territories to be conquered before you begin walking freely pretending to preach the Kingdom which has already been preached.

Guy, did you hear the 21 Christians that were beheaded by ISIS? We want to hear such news.

Videos Abounds in YouTube of tje adventures of the Evangelical missionaries in these lands, where is JW in all of these? All through the killing of Christians by ISIS, how JW members died?

Your excuse is that, you are banned? Isn't Christianity as whole banned over these lands? But evangelicals still go with the gospel. They get killed, they still go.

You stay back and say, "We are banned". But when the Evangelicals have succeeded to take over the lands, you'll come out of your little holes with small backs and umbrellas argueing Bible every where.

oteneaaron:


Hehehe ....I was just waiting for you to mention the "Nicean Creed"

I wouldn't want to derail this thread, but if you're really interested, we could open a new thread, and discuss whether or not the JW stance on the TRINITY is grounded.

No insults, no bickering, no playing the "persecution" card, just real facts and the bible.

Tools we'll need for our discussion

1. The holy bible (either NWT or any translation)

2. The JW brochure -- "should you believe in the trinity?"

3. Writings from Chales T. Rusell --- studies in the scriptures, volume 5

4. Originals writings from the early "Ante Nicen Fathers" and

5. The Encyclopedia, britanica, americana and the Catholic encyclopedia


With these, we can have a constructive discuss about Trinity. If you're game, do let me know.

Cheers!!

Pls when the thread is opened mention me.

imstrong1:
two ladies from jw came to my house for evengelism.. I wasn't in the mood for argument so I simply asked them to start with a word of prayer, what I know they hardly do, they left with style with a promise of coming back. They never came back I think they will avoid my room

Bro, is it a must they pray. It's free will. Is it all the time jesus teach the crowd that he prayed.
When did the crowd complained jesus didn't started with prayer. whether you entertain them or not they loss nothing.

Emmanystone:

You mean Churches were grounded in Afghanistan before Islam took over that land?


You keep blowing hot air towards another direction. Wht doesn't JW go to Lands where Christians are being killed today? Do Evangelicals advertise their churches there?

The discussion is not about the ones that are in Conquered lands, we are talking about real Evangelism.
You don't Evangelize the Churched, you evangelize the Unchurched. My area is Churched.

Why don't you go to the Unchurched areas for evangelism is the question?.

You wait for the Territories to be conquered before you begin walking freely pretending to preach the Kingdom which has already been preached.

Guy, did you hear the 21 Christians that were beheaded by ISIS? We want to hear such news.

Videos Abounds in YouTube of tje adventures of the Evangelical missionaries in these lands, where is JW in all of these? All through the killing of Christians by ISIS, how JW members died?

Your excuse is that, you are banned? Isn't Christianity as whole banned over these lands? But evangelicals still go with the gospel. They get killed, they still go.

You stay back and say, "We are banned". But when the Evangelicals have succeeded to take over the lands, you'll come out of your little holes with small backs and umbrellas argueing Bible every where.

I cannot understand you. It sounds foreign to me. You probably need to check your spelling or grammar before sending stuff online. In all cases, this is where we part ways. It was a great time having a conversation with you.
Stay positive and God bless.

Emmanystone:

I went for Evangelism 2 yrs ago and met a man who when i began talking to him, he introduced himself as a Babalawo. They way he said it, he meant to scare me, but instead of being scared, i sat down and took him on so genlty that he didn't know when i led him to Christ.

He said the sinners prayers, before he knew it. He kept asking me, who are you? He asked me that 5times. Who are you that you don't have fear? I told him i represent Jesus, and in Jesus there's no fear. He told me why he kept asking me who I was.

He said, many people had gone to him, but immediately they hear, 'I be Babalawo o, they turn back and leave, but he told me that, instead of leaving, i sat down.

He said countless Jehovah's Witnesses had gone to him, but they turn back and leave as they hear who he was.

The next day, i took a pastor to his shrine, where he lived, before us, he brought out his neck, chain, his hand band and rings and destroyed them before us. He knelt down and was seriously prayed for. Today he is a Christian. I spoke with him today. He will be in church tomorrow.

What are the JW afraid of that they don't confront satan? They wait for territories to be conquered before they come with their kingdom message. I won't be surprised that they will now go to the former Babalawo to preach the kingdom.

Be careful those of you who entertain these people thinking they are serving God. They hate Christians fiercely.

Just imagine the part Festus Keyamo played in Otobo's saga, all because he is a witness and Apostle Suleman is Christian.

Stay away from their energy.

So Festus was a witness? Hmmmm!

removetheturban:
I cannot understand you. It sounds foreign to me. You probably need to check your spelling or grammar before sending stuff online. In all cases, this is where we part ways. It was a great time having a conversation with you.
Stay positive and God bless.

I have to give it to you bro, you're a complete savage!!

Lol.

Truth be told, the JW are really aggressive in obeying Jesus's command to preach. But so are alot of other religious groups, else we wouldn't have many Christians worldwide as we do right now.

Mormons, Seventh day Adventist, even the Baptist(with the highest number of missionaries), etc.....have all taken the mantle.

I'm sure Jesus would be Proud that Christians from around the world really took his command serious.

Cheers!!

removetheturban:
It is always mature to be head-on with your truth. It is not NOW CLEAR, you have always held a partisan view of the JW. Sounding surprised like you just discovered America is puerile. We do not owe you anything at all. If you do not like us, we didn't set out to beg for it in the first place. You have your own religion, preach it! If you think that the JW are not doing enough, the land is still green for you. You can go ahead and enjoy the horizon.
We give the glory of our success to Jehovah God. No one takes the glory of all our works because Jesus said that he will prove to be with us and the angels are also ministers with us. If we do not tell our success granted to us by Jehovah's grace, who will do that for us? If you know how much you have achieved, tell the world.

We are over 8.4 million 'active' JW in 240 lands. That is the largest active army in the world. We set out in favorable and unfavorable seasons and we do not let up amidst the persecutions, bans, trials, attacks, killings etc. We have a long history of being victimized and if you keep up to date, there are more topics for you to publish against the JW. Someone just narrated how he prayed for a Voodoo priest and you cheered without confirming the story just because he is not a JW. Everything gets a pass as long as it is not the JW. You also copied your fellow persecutors.

Jesus gave us an assignment and that assignment, we must do regardless of what you or your cohorts do. We will declare Jehovah's mighty name, love and his kingdom. That is what Jesus came to the earth to do and he asked to advertise the kingdom because it will come just as in the days of Noah. Many were mocking Noah, many scornfully rejected the message and sanctimoniously insulted Noah and even incited their cohorts to mock Noah, not until the flood did they realize that the time was up.

We love you and encourage you to read your Bible. If you do not want to hear from the JW, we do not force you to. As long as you reject it, we will keep moving. We are not looking for population, but our interest is to share the word of God from the Bible with as many as we can before the time runs out.

So, free up your colleague because he does not owe you any explanation and the JW do not feel obliged to succumb to your reactions towards us. Jesus said, 'if they persecute me, they will persecute you also". We welcome the insults and blasphemy because they open the doors for conversations and for us to explain the Bible teachings to the people that we meet in our ministry. We have been doing this for over 100 years and we have been met with literally all kinds of it all.

I was going to say something before, but i think if one can reason soundly, putting away all sentiments and hate, the above explanation is just good enough.

rottennaija:


And yet you are still 8.4m after more than 80 years of house to house? Whereas other groups have doubled and even trippled.

very few people are going thru the road to everlasting life. The road to life is narrow and cramped...whereas broad, wide and crowded is the road leading to destruction. You get the point?

mtngloetiartel:
very few people are going thru the road to everlasting life. The road to life is narrow and cramped...whereas broad, wide and crowded is the road leading to destruction. You get the point?

Yes, I get the point. 8.4m is few abi? Or the vast multitude, (great crowd) which no man can number of Rev. 7:9-10 is few abi? Or is watchtower not trying they best to increase they dwindling numbers?

Omonaijani:


You may read an independent assessment here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses

I can't really on Wikipedia. Watchtower condemns it as a source of information.

PurplePatch:


What is the need conversing with an apostate @removetheturban? Steer clear of those drowned or drowning. They have only one aim - To pull you along. #SayNoToApostatesAndApostacy!

There you go with name calling. What is apostasy and who is an apostate?