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"I'd Rather Go To Prison Than Report Child Abuse To Police"-catholic Archbishop by Niflheim(m): 5:29pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
FULL STORY: One of the highest-ranking officials in the Catholic Church has stated that he would “rather go to prison” than report pedophilia to police. Australia’s most powerful clergy, Archbishop of Melbourne Denis Hart, says he’s prepared to be jailed for failing to report child sex abuse by pedophile priests. He made the shocking statement in response to the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse saying there should be “no excuse, protection nor privilege” for clergy who failed to alert police of abuse. Hart insisted that sexual abuse was “a spiritual encounter with God through the priest” and was “of a higher order” than criminal law. A new report by the commission proposed 85 sweeping changes to the criminal justice system and recommended that priests face criminal charges for failing to report serious crimes such as sexual abuse to the police. As the law currently stands, clergy are not legally obliged to report crimes to the police and disciplinary proceedings for criminal activity by members of the Catholic Church are handled internally by Canon law, which operates independently of the regular legal procedure. Following an investigation by the commission, officials believe that the Catholic Church is using “confessional confidentiality” as a cover for not reporting child sex abuse to the authorities. “We understand the significance of religious confession – in particular, the inviolability of the confessional seal to people of some faiths, particularly the Catholic faith”, said the report. “However, we heard evidence of a number of instances where disclosures of child sexual abuse were made in religious confession, by both victims and perpetrators.” We are satisfied that confession is a forum where Catholic children have disclosed their sexual abuse and where clergy have disclosed their abusive behavior in order to deal with their own guilt.” Catholic Archbishop: ‘I’d Rather Go to Prison Than Report Child Abuse to Police’ By admin On January 31, 2018 In News 55 Comments tweet google+ One of the highest-ranking officials in the Catholic Church has stated that he would “rather go to prison” than report pedophilia to police. Australia’s most powerful clergy, Archbishop of Melbourne Denis Hart, says he’s prepared to be jailed for failing to report child sex abuse by pedophile priests. He made the shocking statement in response to the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse saying there should be “no excuse, protection nor privilege” for clergy who failed to alert police of abuse. Hart insisted that sexual abuse was “a spiritual encounter with God through the priest” and was “of a higher order” than criminal law. A new report by the commission proposed 85 sweeping changes to the criminal justice system and recommended that priests face criminal charges for failing to report serious crimes such as sexual abuse to the police. As the law currently stands, clergy are not legally obliged to report crimes to the police and disciplinary proceedings for criminal activity by members of the Catholic Church are handled internally by Canon law, which operates independently of the regular legal procedure. Following an investigation by the commission, officials believe that the Catholic Church is using “confessional confidentiality” as a cover for not reporting child sex abuse to the authorities. “We understand the significance of religious confession – in particular, the inviolability of the confessional seal to people of some faiths, particularly the Catholic faith”, said the report. “However, we heard evidence of a number of instances where disclosures of child sexual abuse were made in religious confession, by both victims and perpetrators.” We are satisfied that confession is a forum where Catholic children have disclosed their sexual abuse and where clergy have disclosed their abusive behavior in order to deal with their own guilt.” Independent reports: Asked on Tuesday if he would rather go to prison than breach the seal of confession, he told ABC Radio Melbourne: “I’ve said that I would.”I believe that this is an absolutely sacrosanct communication of a higher order.” The link:..............................................................http://nativescomunity.info/2018/01/31/catholic-archbishop-id-rather-go-to-prison-than-report-child-abuse-to-police/
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Re: "I'd Rather Go To Prison Than Report Child Abuse To Police"-catholic Archbishop by superhumanist(m): 5:34pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
Ubenedictus, italo, Come and see your crazy clergy 1 Like |
Re: "I'd Rather Go To Prison Than Report Child Abuse To Police"-catholic Archbishop by Ekiseme(m): 5:36pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
Surprising 1 Like |
Re: "I'd Rather Go To Prison Than Report Child Abuse To Police"-catholic Archbishop by ogawriter(m): 5:37pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
That means that the Archbishop will rather rape a woman than go to hell fire. 1 Like |
Re: "I'd Rather Go To Prison Than Report Child Abuse To Police"-catholic Archbishop by Thewesterner(m): 5:45pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
Perversed 1 Like |
Re: "I'd Rather Go To Prison Than Report Child Abuse To Police"-catholic Archbishop by Epositive(m): 5:48pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
It seems these catholic priests are naturally afflicted with pedophilia ;. 1 Like |
Re: "I'd Rather Go To Prison Than Report Child Abuse To Police"-catholic Archbishop by Chrisbeks: 6:01pm On Feb 12, 2018 |
Crazy Catholics with their Antichrist of a pope 1 Like |
Re: "I'd Rather Go To Prison Than Report Child Abuse To Police"-catholic Archbishop by Ubenedictus(m): 8:06am On Feb 14, 2018 |
superhumanist:you are so quick to judge, you didn't even realise that this is fake news and no reputable news agency carried this bogus story |
Re: "I'd Rather Go To Prison Than Report Child Abuse To Police"-catholic Archbishop by superhumanist(m): 8:16am On Feb 14, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: I have always known you to be a SLAVE of the catholic church. Here is a reputable source; https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/aug/15/melbourne-archbishop-says-hed-rather-go-to-jail-than-report-child-abuse-heard-in-confession In past times, you would have been a crusader. |
Re: "I'd Rather Go To Prison Than Report Child Abuse To Police"-catholic Archbishop by Ubenedictus(m): 8:29am On Feb 14, 2018 |
for those who wish to know the real news. the issue is about Catholic confession, Australia wants to make a new law to force Catholic priest to report whatever they hear in confession. all over the world the confession in the Catholic Church is a privilege information under law and cannot be reported to anyone else. Australia wants to change that and the Catholic Church both bishop and priest have made it clear that such law will not be allowed or obeyed. https://epicpew.com/archbishop-denis-hart-confession-seal/ https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/aug/15/melbourne-archbishop-says-hed-rather-go-to-jail-than-report-child-abuse-heard-in-confession as you can see the bishop didn't say Hart insisted that sexual abuse was “a spiritual encounter with God through the priest” and was “of a higher order” than criminal law. as falsely reported above, he said Hart insisted that confession was “a spiritual encounter with God through the priest” and was “of a higher order” than criminal law. |
Re: "I'd Rather Go To Prison Than Report Child Abuse To Police"-catholic Archbishop by Ubenedictus(m): 8:33am On Feb 14, 2018 |
superhumanist:and even in the present time Protestants still engage in subtle lies. this is what the guardian recorded the bishop saying “I believe [confession] is an absolute sacrosanct communication of a higher order that priests by nature respect,” Hart said on Tuesday morning. “We are admitting a communication with God is of a higher order,” he said. “It is a sacred trust. It’s something those who are not Catholics find hard to understand but we believe it is most, most sacred and it’s very much part of us.” whereas you guys went and LIED about it saying the he said Hart insisted that sexual abuse was “a spiritual encounter with God through the priest” and was “of a higher order” than criminal law. can you see the lies and fake news or has bias blinded you |
Re: "I'd Rather Go To Prison Than Report Child Abuse To Police"-catholic Archbishop by superhumanist(m): 8:59am On Feb 14, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: Mr man, here is the Guardian title in bold: Melbourne archbishop says he'd rather go to jail than report child abuse heard in confession And it is a fact. Why would one allow a child molester to go scott free? |
Re: "I'd Rather Go To Prison Than Report Child Abuse To Police"-catholic Archbishop by Ubenedictus(m): 9:46am On Feb 14, 2018 |
superhumanist:the guardian clearly adds "in confession" which is absent from the op, the guardian also quotes the bishop correctly and the op doesn't. of course a criminal should not go unpunished but the Church is not an arm of the police nor is privileged information a place to go snooping. the law doesn't require lawyers to report the crimes of their client nor should priests be forced to report sins penitent confessed to God that is privileged information, gat it? |
Re: "I'd Rather Go To Prison Than Report Child Abuse To Police"-catholic Archbishop by Ubenedictus(m): 9:54am On Feb 14, 2018 |
in the law of evidence , a privilege is a rule of evidence
that allows the holder of the privilege to refuse to
disclose information or provide evidence about a
certain subject or to bar such evidence from being
disclosed or used in a judicial or other proceeding.
There are a large number of such privileges recognised
by the judicial system, some stemming from the
common law and others from statute law. Each
privilege has its own rules, which often vary between
jurisdictions. The effect of the privilege is usually a right on the part of a party or witness to a case, allowing them to refuse to produce evidence in the form of documents or testimony from the person entitled to the privilege. For example, a person can generally prevent their attorney testifying about the legal relationship between attorney and client, even if the attorney were willing to do so. In this case the privilege belongs to the client and not the attorney. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privilege_(evidence) The clergy–penitent privilege , clergy privilege , confessional privilege , priest–penitent privilege , clergyman–communicant privilege , or ecclesiastical privilege is a rule of evidence that forbids judicial inquiry into certain communications (spoken or otherwise) between clergy and members of their congregation. The law recognises certain communication as privileged and not subject to otherwise obligatory disclosure; for example, this often applies to communications between lawyers and clients. In many jurisdictions certain communications between a member of the clergy of some or all religious faiths (e.g., a minister, priest, rabbi, imam) and a person consulting them in confidence are privileged in law. In particular, Catholics are required to confess sins to priests, who are unconditionally forbidden by Church canon law from making any disclosure, [1] a position supported by the law of many countries, although in conflict with civil law in some jurisdictions. [1] It is a distinct concept from that of confidentiality (see non-disclosure agreement). The protection of the clergy–penitent privilege relationships rests on one of the more basic privileges as strong or stronger than the similar clauses to confidentiality between lawyer and client. According to former U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice, Warren Burger, "The clergy privilege is rooted in the imperative need for confidence and trust. The... privilege recognizes the human need to disclose to a spiritual counselor, in total and absolute confidence, what are believed to be flawed acts or thoughts and to receive consolations and guidance in return." [6] A pastor has a duty to hold in confidence any information obtained during a counseling session. A pastor who violates this trust might be on the losing end of a suit for an invasion of privacy or defamation. [7] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest–penitent_privilege_in_the_UK |
Re: "I'd Rather Go To Prison Than Report Child Abuse To Police"-catholic Archbishop by superhumanist(m): 10:51am On Feb 14, 2018 |
Ubenedictus: Lawyers are not expected to be moral. Preists are |
Re: "I'd Rather Go To Prison Than Report Child Abuse To Police"-catholic Archbishop by Ubenedictus(m): 11:49am On Feb 14, 2018 |
superhumanist:the question is about laws, the law protect privileged information and the priest in the confessional is privileged information. secondary it is immoral for a priest to go about revealing the sins their congregation confessed to God in their presence, it is also a crime punished by excommunication. it is morally imperative to keep privileged information as privileged. |
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