MuttleyLaff:
Ronpet777 and frank317 are having a tense arm wrestling thing going on
By source, channels and instructions,
they are referring to Sender (i.e. Source) that converts messages (i.e. instructions) into signals
and uses transmitters (i.e. channels) to transmit the signals which arrives as information that can be used and understood by people

Someone certainly had a dodgy radio and/or television with a faulty antenna

Hahhaahahahaha! Na so I see am o .Its just all abt perception u knw. It's not so much of a wrestling. Like I said earlier, if he disagrees with me, it's OK, but d general idea is that we all serve the almighty God d creator of all who we call Jehovah and d Muslims call Allah. That we serve a diff God is another ball game entirely and we r free to hold a different opinion on that.
That is definitely not a tussle.
And I think d question was from emmastone not Frank

Emmanystone:

What do you mean by Channels and instructions pls?

I mean there is God almighty the source. And there r channels through which his instructions r passed. Many like in the days of Moses only knw God's acts but Moses knew His ways and brought instructions from him to them. Not every one has direct link to God almighty so they rely on channels which r men of God and prophets. Pple relied on priests to hear d mind of God bf Jesus came and tore d veil to grant all true believers a direct access to God. The Muslim believe Muhammed is their access to d most high God and got instructions from him just as Guru Maharaji's followers follow his instructions. The problem now is d message which I termed d instructions. Muhammed has a different msg for his followers and tries to harmonize it with many Bible stories. That is where perception comes in. If for d fact that he has a completely different msg for his followers u bliv he serves a diff God then fine. But I knw God almighty d maker of all has no twin brother and no equal. Muslims claim to be servants of God while Christians are legitimate children.

Ronpet777:
Hahhaahahahaha! Na so I see am o.
Its just all abt perception u knw.
It's not so much of a wrestling.
Like I said earlier, if he disagrees with me, it's OK,
but d general idea is that we all serve the almighty God d creator of all who we call Jehovah and d Muslims call Allah.
That we serve a diff God is another ball game entirely and we r free to hold a different opinion on that.
That is definitely not a tussle.

[img]https://s1/images/armWrest.jpg[/img]
Sure looks like an arm wrestle to me

Ronpet777:
And I think d question was from emmastone not Frank

I know the question was from my sister and not Frank
That's why it's her post I quoted her and not Frank's

Ronpet777:

I mean there is God almighty the source. And there r channels through which his instructions r passed. Many like in the days of Moses only knw God's acts but Moses knew His ways and brought instructions from him to them.

You are still talking about Channels. How many Channels did YHWH used to reach men in OT? And pls lets call the God we are refering to by name. Every deity is an almigbty to them who worships him or it.

Ronpet777:

Not every one has direct link to God almighty so they rely on channels which r men of God and prophets. Pple relied on priests to hear d mind of God bf Jesus came and tore d veil to grant all true believers a direct access to God.

No, not everyone had the Holy Spirit then. Only a select few. And pls not, His method were the same with all the vessels He used in the OT. He didn't change is Method.

Ronpet777:

The Muslim believe Muhammed is their access to d most high God and got instructions from him just as Guru Maharaji's followers follow his instructions. The problem now is d message which I termed d instructions.

If you leave the message giver and dwell on the message alone, you'd be deceived. Question is who is allah? Have you researched allah?

I asked you questions you didn't answer, if you had answered, i'd know how to go about this.

Before Muhammad was born, his grandfather Al Mutallab served Allah as his Chief priest. He had a son whom he called Abdullah. He dedicated him to the serve of allah. Abdullah had muhammed.
Now, who was Allah who Al Mutallab and Abdullah worshipped? Was he the God of Abraham? No. How do i know? because there were so many Jews in those days leaving together in the Arabic Peninsulas serving and Worshopping YHWH while Abudullah worshipped his Allah in his way. He never forced anyone to worship Allah with him.

Allah was one of the 350gods Arabs worshipped.
Allah was a Moon god called Hubal. He had three daughters Allat, Mallat and Uzza. One of his daughters Allat the fourite was believed to have descended from a star, hence the Cresent Moon and the Star as Islamic symbol. And why they watch the moon before Ramadan.

If the Abrahamic God was the same wirh the Arabic Allah, why didn't they worship in the same Temples before Muhammed was born?

And, Guru Maharaji and his people don't serve a supreme being. They don't rely on any mesaage from any supreme being. They are New Agers, hence they believe that they themselves are gods. So, remove them.

Ronpet777:

Muhammed has a different msg for his followers and tries to harmonize it with many Bible stories

Where was His source? Who gave him the message? Do you believe YHWH gave him those messages? Pls i need your answer here.

Ronpet777:

That is where perception comes in. If for d fact that he has a completely different msg for his followers u bliv he serves a diff God then fine. But I knw God almighty d maker of all has no twin brother and no equa[/b]l.

[b]How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isaiah:14:12

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isaiah:14:13

Beloved, you need to know your God so that you can be strong and do exploits.

When satan challenged God in that vers 13, that he also shall sit and be worshipped as God, who do you think he was going to get the worship from? Fellow Angels albeit fallen? No, Angels don't worship each other. He meant humans. If he was going to be worshipped, he must pretend to be God. He must make men believe he indeed is God, that's the only way he will be worshipped. And satan set up his own religion made it look like the religion of YHWH.

Guy. Open your eyes.

Muslims claim to be servants of God while Christians are legitimate children. [/quote]

Are they? because they claim that doesn't make it so.

We really need to talk about this issue.

Muslims don't worahip the same God with the Jews.

MuttleyLaff:
Ronpet777 and frank317 are having a tense arm wrestling thing going on
By source, channels and instructions,
they are referring to Sender (i.e. Source) that converts messages (i.e. instructions) into signals
and uses transmitters (i.e. channels) to transmit the signals which arrives as information that can be used and understood by people

Someone certainly had a dodgy radio and/or television with a faulty antenna

I know that, but there's a reason i asked that. I needed him to clarify because i am waiting for him somewhere.

Emmanystone:
I know that, but there's a reason i asked that. I needed him to clarify because i am waiting for him somewhere.

I know, I know you do and you're going to pummel him there
Just put on velvet gloves whilst at it
and remember, he said:"... I didn't knw most of these though..."

Emmanystone:


You are still talking about Channels. How many Channels did YHWH used to reach men in OT? And pls lets call the God we are refering to by name. Every deity is an almigbty to them who worships him or it.

No, not everyone had the Holy Spirit then. Only a select few. And pls not, His method were the same with all the vessels He used in the OT. He didn't change is Method.

If you leave the message giver and dwell on the message alone, you'd be deceived. Question is who is allah? Have you researched allah?

I asked you questions you didn't answer, if you had answered, i'd know how to go about this.

Before Muhammad was born, his grandfather Al Mutallab served Allah as his Chief priest. He had a son whom he called Abdullah. He dedicated him to the serve of allah. Abdullah had muhammed.
Now, who was Allah who Al Mutallab and Abdullah worshipped? Was he the God of Abraham? No. How do i know? because there were so many Jews in those days leaving together in the Arabic Peninsulas serving and Worshopping YHWH while Abudullah worshipped his Allah in his way. He never forced anyone to worship Allah with him.

Allah was one of the 350gods Arabs worshipped.
Allah was a Moon god called Hubal. He had three daughters Allat, Mallat and Uzza. One of his daughters Allat the fourite was believed to have descended from a star, hence the Cresent Moon and the Star as Islamic symbol. And why they watch the moon before Ramadan.

If the Abrahamic God was the same wirh the Arabic Allah, why didn't they worship in the same Temples before Muhammed was born?

And, Guru Maharaji and his people don't serve a supreme being. They don't rely on any mesaage from any supreme being. They are New Agers, hence they believe that they themselves are gods. So, remove them.

Where was His source? Who gave him the message? Do you believe YHWH gave him those messages? Pls i need your answer here.


How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isaiah:14:12

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isaiah:14:13

Beloved, you need to know your God so that you can be strong and do exploits.

When satan challenged God in that vers 13, that he also shall sit and be worshipped as God, who do you think he was going to get the worship from? Fellow Angels albeit fallen? No, Angels don't worship each other. He meant humans. If he was going to be worshipped, he must pretend to be God. He must make men believe he indeed is God, that's the only way he will be worshipped. And satan set up his own religion made it look like the religion of YHWH.

Guy. Open your eyes.

Muslims claim to be servants of God while Christians are legitimate children.

Are they? because they claim that doesn't make it so.

We really need to talk about this issue.

Muslims don't worahip the same God with the Jews.

Wow wow! I hv never really sought for knowledge abt Allah. Will do my research but I feel really schooled abt it by u. Thanks a million

Ronpet777:

Wow wow! I hv never really sought for knowledge abt Allah. Will do my research but I feel really schooled abt it by u. Thanks a million

Good morning brother. Pls do your research so that you won't worship a demon masquerading as YHWH.

There are so many Islamic claims that when scrutinize, will fall flat.

This is what Piqued me off about Islam. THE CHARACTER ANGEL GABRIEL.

The Bible tells us that YHWH made a promise to send a SEED to the world. Over time, He went on reminding His Prophets about the Promised SEED, many Prophets prophesied Jesus, Isaiah even called him by name Immanuel. Isaiah mentioned a Virgin having the SEED. Different prophets told about the manner of his death.

Angel Gabriel and Michael are the Angels watching over the Nation of Israel according to Daniel 10:20-21

Gabriel takes messages to the Israelites while Michael is their Warrior and defender in times of trouble.

He said, “Do you know why I came to you? It is to reveal to you what is written in the Book of Truth. Now I have to go back and fight the guardian angel of Persia. After that the guardian angel of Greece will appear. There is no one to help me except Michael, Israel's guardian angel
This tells us that Michael and Gabriel are in charge of Israel.

The Angels or Princes (Demons) in charge of the Kingdom of Persia and Greece were not called by names. With this, we know that every nation has either Angels or Demons in the Celestial realm ruling and determining what happens there.

This Gabriel was the same one who went to all the Jewish Prophets with the message about the Messiah. And, pls NOTE, Gabriel never had any body contact with anyone he talked with. He never threatened anyone he talked to. Whenever he appeared and the person he came for bcomes afraid, he usually settles the fear, by saying, 'Fear not, i am Gabriel who stands in the presence of God, and i have come to give you His message'

We saw that till when Jesus was born. Gabriel by himself named Jesus. He by Himself gave the mission statement of Jesus. And so it was that the SEED was born. Finished His mission and left. Then, 600yrs later, this same Gabriel was sent by the same God(?) to a
man, from Arab, a totally different tribe from which He had picked His Prophets from with a different message, saying JESUS WAS NOT THE SON OF GOD, BUT A SLAVE OF ALLAH?

And, the gentle Gabriel who usually puts people at peace before giving his messages, all of a sudden changed his method and made to forcefully strangulate muhammed, forcing him to recite allah ahkubaru or die.

That entity tortured muhammed to submission. Three times it happened. Muhammed knew something was wrong with him, because anytime the entity came, he becomes like a possessed man. He made to commit auicide before his wife Kadijat saved him by taking him to a soothsayer called Waraqa who pretended to be a Catholic convert.

Pls, pick your Bible and study Angel Gabriel and study the Jibril of Islam, if you have no questions like i did, then, your case is different.

My whole point is this, the same YHWH can not send the Messenger with two different Messages to two different people.

He couldn't have told the Jews who Jesus is, and told Arabs a different thing.

And, pls study muhamed as a prophet, and study the lives of the prophets of the Bible if questions dosn't rise in your heart then...

What am i saying? Jibril is not Gabriel. Isa is not Jesus, YHWH is not Allah. Muhammed was not sent by YHWH.

Satan masquerades as an angel of light knowing, if he doesn't, no one will follow him.

Emmanystone:

Good morning brother. Pls do your research so that you won't worship a demon masquerading as YHWH.

There are so many Islamic claims that when scrutinize, will fall flat.

This is what Piqued me off about Islam. THE CHARACTER ANGEL GABRIEL.

The Bible tells us that YHWH made a promise to send a SEED to the world. Over time, He went on reminding His Prophets about the Promised SEED, many Prophets prophesied Jesus, Isaiah even called him by name Immanuel. Isaiah mentioned a Virgin having the SEED. Different prophets told about the manner of his death.

Angel Gabriel and Michael are the Angels watching over the Nation of Israel according to Daniel 10:20-21

Gabriel takes messages to the Israelites while Michael is their Warrior and defender in times of trouble.

He said, “Do you know why I came to you? It is to reveal to you what is written in the Book of Truth. Now I have to go back and fight the guardian angel of Persia. After that the guardian angel of Greece will appear. There is no one to help me except Michael, Israel's guardian angel
This tells us that Michael and Gabriel are in charge of Israel.

The Angels or Princes (Demons) in charge of the Kingdom of Persia and Greece were not called by names. With this, we know that every nation has either Angels or Demons in the Celestial realm ruling and determining what happens there.

This Gabriel was the same one who went to all the Jewish Prophets with the message about the Messiah. And, pls NOTE, Gabriel never had any body contact with anyone he talked with. He never threatened anyone he talked to. Whenever he appeared and the person he came for bcomes afraid, he usually settles the fear, by saying, 'Fear not, i am Gabriel who stands in the presence of God, and i have come to give you His message'

We saw that till when Jesus was born. Gabriel by himself named Jesus. He by Himself gave the mission statement of Jesus. And so it was that the SEED was born. Finished His mission and left. Then, 600yrs later, [b]this same Gabriel was sent by the same God(?) to a
man, from Arab, a totally different tribe from which He had picked His Prophets from with a different message, saying JESUS WAS NOT THE SON OF GOD, BUT A SLAVE OF ALLAH?

And, the gentle Gabriel who usually puts people at peace before giving his messages, all of a sudden changed his method and made to forcefully strangulate muhammed, forcing him to recite allah ahkubaru or die.

That entity tortured muhammed to submission. Three times it happened. Muhammed knew something was wrong with him, because anytime the entity came, he becomes like a possessed man. He made to commit auicide before his wife Kadijat saved him by taking him to a soothsayer called Waraqa who pretended to be a Catholic convert.

Pls, pick your Bible and study Angel Gabriel and study the Jibril of Islam, if you have no questions like i did, then, your case is different.

My whole point is this, the same YHWH can not send the Messenger with two different Messages to two different people.

He couldn't have told the Jews who Jesus is, and told Arabs a different thing.

And, pls study muhamed as a prophet, and study the lives of the prophets of the Bible if questions dosn't rise in your heart then...

What am i saying? Jibril is was not Gabriel. Isa is not Jesus, YHWH is not Allah. Muhammed was not sent by YHWH.

Satan masquerades as an angel of light knowing, if he doesn't, no one will follow him.

U have made ur point so very clearly and I hv read extensively abt it and I am even still doing more research cos I find this illumination so fascinating.
In all humility I can assure you that I submit to being wrong abt Yahweh our God and their own Allah. I see the difference with every study I make. I went tru many books and allusions were made to d Quran for confirmation. I am still in shock from the things I hv read abt Mohammad and his msg and his God.

Emmanystone:


You are still talking about Channels. How many Channels did YHWH used to reach men in OT? And pls lets call the God we are refering to by name. Every deity is an almigbty to them who worships him or it.

No, not everyone had the Holy Spirit then. Only a select few. And pls not, His method were the same with all the vessels He used in the OT. He didn't change is Method.

If you leave the message giver and dwell on the message alone, you'd be deceived. Question is who is allah? Have you researched allah?

I asked you questions you didn't answer, if you had answered, i'd know how to go about this.

Before Muhammad was born, his grandfather Al Mutallab served Allah as his Chief priest. He had a son whom he called Abdullah. He dedicated him to the serve of allah. Abdullah had muhammed.
Now, who was Allah who Al Mutallab and Abdullah worshipped? Was he the God of Abraham? No. How do i know? because there were so many Jews in those days leaving together in the Arabic Peninsulas serving and Worshopping YHWH while Abudullah worshipped his Allah in his way. He never forced anyone to worship Allah with him.

Allah was one of the 350gods Arabs worshipped.
Allah was a Moon god called Hubal. He had three daughters Allat, Mallat and Uzza. One of his daughters Allat the fourite was believed to have descended from a star, hence the Cresent Moon and the Star as Islamic symbol. And why they watch the moon before Ramadan.

If the Abrahamic God was the same wirh the Arabic Allah, why didn't they worship in the same Temples before Muhammed was born?

And, Guru Maharaji and his people don't serve a supreme being. They don't rely on any mesaage from any supreme being. They are New Agers, hence they believe that they themselves are gods. So, remove them.

Where was His source? Who gave him the message? Do you believe YHWH gave him those messages? Pls i need your answer here.


How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isaiah:14:12

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isaiah:14:13

Beloved, you need to know your God so that you can be strong and do exploits.

When satan challenged God in that vers 13, that he also shall sit and be worshipped as God, who do you think he was going to get the worship from? Fellow Angels albeit fallen? No, Angels don't worship each other. He meant humans. If he was going to be worshipped, he must pretend to be God. He must make men believe he indeed is God, that's the only way he will be worshipped. And satan set up his own religion made it look like the religion of YHWH.

Guy. Open your eyes.

Muslims claim to be servants of God while Christians are legitimate children.

Are they? because they claim that doesn't make it so.

We really need to talk about this issue.

Muslims don't worahip the same God with the Jews.

U are talking to someone who believes that yahweh is also amadioha

Ronpet777:

U have made ur point so very clearly and I hv read extensively abt it and I am even still doing more research cos I find this illumination so fascinating.
In all humility I can assure you that I submit to being wrong abt Yahweh our God and their own Allah. I see the difference with every study I make. I went tru many books and allusions were made to d Quran for confirmation. I am still in shock from the things I hv read abt Mohammad and his msg and his God.

good, now u understand what I mean when I said what i said in the quote below....

U stand the same chance to be in hell as atheists. U could still be worshiping the wrong God. U dont believe in Allah, amadioha or Odin. Even as a Christian, there are different denominations? What if roman catholic, or JW, or seventh day Adventist is the real deal and u dont attend any of these churches.

The bad news is the so called God cannot just make a definite statement to everyone at one time and leave the choice to man to follow.

U follow one God and reject all others. U attend one church out of all the hundreds of denomination... do the math and tell me how u are different from atheists...

You are still talking about Channels. How many Channels did YHWH used to reach men in OT? And pls lets call the God we are refering to by name. Every deity is an almigbty to them who worships him or it.

No, not everyone had the Holy Spirit then. Only a select few. And pls not, His method were the same with all the vessels He used in the OT. He didn't change is Method.

The bible mentions 3 means of communicating with God. Dreams, Divination and Prophecy.

And when Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.
1Samuel 28:6

The Urim and Thummin were not the only divination tool, they also mention the casting of lots.

The prophets through whom he sent his messages and meted out his justice were not always YHWH worshippers either.

‘Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: Behold, I will send and take Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and I will set his throne above these stones that I have hidden, and he will spread his royal canopy over them.
- Jeremiah 43:10

Nebuchadnezzar did not worship Yaahoow yet he was used in his service.

Cyrus the Great did not worship Yaahoow yet he was called his Messiah.

Can a Pharaoh of Egypt be a prophet of God, and be used to kill God's favoured King of Judah, just because he is a 'mysterious' God, I guess.

20 After all this, when Josiah had prepared the temple, Neco king of Egypt went up to fight at Carchemish on the Euphrates, and Josiah went out to meet him. 21 But he sent envoys to him, saying, “What have we to do with each other, king of Judah? I am not coming against you this day, but against the house with which I am at war. And God has commanded me to hurry. Cease opposing God, who is with me, lest he destroy you.” 22 Nevertheless, Josiah did not turn away from him, but disguised himself in order to fight with him. He did not listen to the words of Neco from the mouth of God, but came to fight in the plain of Megiddo. 23 And the archers shot King Josiah. - 2 Chronicles 35

So Josiah the favoured King of Judah who rebuilt the temple of Yahoo and reinstated his true worship was killed by the Pharaoh of Egypt who gave him a message from Yahoo but he did not heed it.

It seems that Yahoo is well capable of using people who don't give a damn about him as prophetic mouthpieces.

If the Abrahamic God was the same with the Arabic Allah, why didn't they worship in the same Temples before Muhammed was born?

Where was His source? Who gave him the message? Do you believe YHWH gave him those messages? Pls i need your answer here.

If the God of the Samaritans is the same as the Hebrew God then why didn't they worship in the same temple? Why did they worship on Mt. Gerizim instead?

Why did the writers of the Dead Sea scrolls not worship in the Temple? Why did no Jews go to the temple anymore after 70 AD?
Why did you lie (or was it an honest mistake?) that arabic Jews were worshipping in the temple before Muhammed was born when the Temple was destroyed in 70AD?

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isaiah:14:12

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isaiah:14:13

Lucifer that is being referred to here is the planet Venus. Lucifer has always been the name for the planet Venus. it is also known as the Bright Morning star. Guess who else was given this name of Morning Star? Yep, that's right, Jesus himself. Indeed Jesus is exalted above the Hosts of Heaven, i.e The Stars of God.

Emmanystone:


You are still talking about Channels. How many Channels did YHWH used to reach men in OT? And pls lets call the God we are refering to by name. Every deity is an almigbty to them who worships him or it.

No, not everyone had the Holy Spirit then. Only a select few. And pls not, His method were the same with all the vessels He used in the OT. He didn't change is Method.

If you leave the message giver and dwell on the message alone, you'd be deceived. Question is who is allah? Have you researched allah?

I asked you questions you didn't answer, if you had answered, i'd know how to go about this.

Before Muhammad was born, his grandfather Al Mutallab served Allah as his Chief priest. He had a son whom he called Abdullah. He dedicated him to the serve of allah. Abdullah had muhammed.
Now, who was Allah who Al Mutallab and Abdullah worshipped? Was he the God of Abraham? No. How do i know? because there were so many Jews in those days leaving together in the Arabic Peninsulas serving and Worshopping YHWH while Abudullah worshipped his Allah in his way. He never forced anyone to worship Allah with him.

Allah was one of the 350gods Arabs worshipped.
Allah was a Moon god called Hubal. He had three daughters Allat, Mallat and Uzza. One of his daughters Allat the fourite was believed to have descended from a star, hence the Cresent Moon and the Star as Islamic symbol. And why they watch the moon before Ramadan.

If the Abrahamic God was the same wirh the Arabic Allah, why didn't they worship in the same Temples before Muhammed was born?

And, Guru Maharaji and his people don't serve a supreme being. They don't rely on any mesaage from any supreme being. They are New Agers, hence they believe that they themselves are gods. So, remove them.

Where was His source? Who gave him the message? Do you believe YHWH gave him those messages? Pls i need your answer here.


How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isaiah:14:12

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isaiah:14:13

Beloved, you need to know your God so that you can be strong and do exploits.

When satan challenged God in that vers 13, that he also shall sit and be worshipped as God, who do you think he was going to get the worship from? Fellow Angels albeit fallen? No, Angels don't worship each other. He meant humans. If he was going to be worshipped, he must pretend to be God. He must make men believe he indeed is God, that's the only way he will be worshipped. And satan set up his own religion made it look like the religion of YHWH.

Guy. Open your eyes.

Muslims claim to be servants of God while Christians are legitimate children.

Are they? because they claim that doesn't make it so.

We really need to talk about this issue.

Muslims don't worahip the same God with the Jews.

.

PastorAIO:

The bible mentions 3 means of communicating with God. Dreams, Divination and Prophecy.

And when Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.
1Samuel 28:6

The Urim and Thummin were not the only divination tool, they also mention the casting of lots.

The prophets through whom he sent his messages and meted out his justice were not always YHWH worshippers either.

‘Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: Behold, I will send and take Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and I will set his throne above these stones that I have hidden, and he will spread his royal canopy over them.
- Jeremiah 43:10

Nebuchadnezzar did not worship Yaahoow yet he was used in his service.

Cyrus the Great did not worship Yaahoow yet he was called his Messiah.

20 After all this, when Josiah had prepared the temple, Neco king of Egypt went up to fight at Carchemish on the Euphrates, and Josiah went out to meet him. 21 But he sent envoys to him, saying, “What have we to do with each other, king of Judah? I am not coming against you this day, but against the house with which I am at war. And God has commanded me to hurry. Cease opposing God, who is with me, lest he destroy you.” 22 Nevertheless, Josiah did not turn away from him, but disguised himself in order to fight with him. He did not listen to the words of Neco from the mouth of God, but came to fight in the plain of Megiddo. 23 And the archers shot King Josiah. - 2 Chronicles 35

It seems that Yahoo is well capable of using people who don't give a damn about him as prophetic mouthpieces.

Na quarrel? Am glad you quoted the Scripture to back up your points. A reader of what you wrote here will see that God speaks in clear terms, He doesn't leave you guessing except He wants the matter sealed.

Let's establish certain facts here.
1YHWH is sovereign over His creation. He can use anyone He pleases to bring to pass His purposes, whether that person worships Him or not.

Like you mentioned, Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, and Neco of Egypt were Heathen kings, yet YHWH used them to show forth his sovereignty. This shows that YHWH is Sovereign over His creation. He can use anyone to bring to pass His purposes, but He never does that hidden.

I guess the point you are trying to make here is, If YHWH could use these Heathens and call them His servants, why can't He use Muhammad?. He could if Muhammad didn't live when YHWH had decided that men come to Him only through one Channel, His Son YASHUA.

How many prophecies did YHWH give through these Heathen kings you mentioned since they were servants of His?

If Muhammed was YHWH Prophets as you are trying to make it seem, How many of YHWH's prophecies did Muhammed prophesy and how many have been fulfilled so far? since YHWH Himself says that the sign that He has called a prophet is that, what that Prophet says comes to.pass, how many have come to.pass?

PastorAIO:

Can a Pharaoh of Egypt be a prophet of God, and be used to kill God's favoured King of Judah, just because he is a 'mysterious' God, I guess.

You didn't show where it says he was a prophet of God.

PastorAIO:

So Josiah the favoured King of Judah who rebuilt the temple of Yahoo and reinstated his true worship was killed by the Pharaoh of Egypt who gave him a message from Yahoo but he did not heed it.

May be you shd read the same Bible you quoted from to see how many kings started well with YHWH but fell off at last. If you read you see that even Solomon the Great who was the first to built the Temple, derailed and later built temples to Egyptian and Assyrian gods side by side YHWH's Temple. If he didn't repent, a strong thing would have happened to him.

Shd i mention the Jewish kings who met their deads in the hands of the enemy nations?

PastorAIO:

If the God of the Samaritans is the same as the Hebrew God then why didn't they worship in the same temple? Why did they worship on Mt. Gerizim instead?

So you only read the passages you want to twist and mislead? How did you know the Samaritans worshipped at Mt. Gerizim but didn't know why they did that? Oh wait!!!, You do, but you can't stand to point to YHWH as the God who abhors idol worship.

Now, here is why Samaritans worshipped in Mt. Gerizim. because of Solomon's Escapades with strange women, YHWH was very angry with him, although, he repented, but YHWH had prophesied that the kingdom will be divided into two, giving half to a servant. But that will happen in the days of Solomon's son's reign. It happened.

King Rehoboam was Solomon's Son, but Jeroboam was an Army officer in Jeroboam's Army. God anionted him king and gave him 10 tribes of Israel leaving Jeroboam with 2 tribes in Judah. Thus, Israel became divided into two kingdoms.

Samaria became the Headquarters of Israel, while Jerusalem became the headquarter of Judah.

Over time Jeroboam became insecure that as the Israelites kept going to the temple in Jerusalem to worship YHWH, they may reject him as the true king because, they indeed knew he was not a descendant of Abraham, hence, he blocked the borders and stopped the people from going to Jerusalem.
He inatead erected a statue of a Bull in Mt. Gerizim and forced the Israelites to worship it. This is how the Samaritans

PastorAIO:

Why did the writers of the Dead Sea scrolls not worship in the Temple? Why did no Jews go to the temple anymore after 70 AD?

Who were the writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Did you not hear that General Titus destroyed the Temple sending the Jews to exile? But, did that stopped the Jews from worshipping their YHWH?

PastorAIO:

Why did you lie (or was it an honest mistake?) that arabic Jews were worshipping in the temple before Muhammed was born when the Temple was destroyed in 70AD?

That was a mistake. They worshipped YHWH while in Yathrib, and never worahipped Allah.

And, they not Arabic Jews, they just lived there.

What i expected from you is to touch the points i raised, but you dodged all of them.

Was Allah being worshipped while the Jews were living in Yathrib(Mecca)? If yes, why didn't the Jews worship allah as YHWH then? Why were their places of worship different Allah is YHWH? I expected you to answer this.

PastorAIO:

Lucifer that is being referred to here is the planet Venus. Lucifer has always been the name for the planet Venus. it is also known as the Bright Morning star. Guess who else was given this name of Morning Star? Yep, that's right, Jesus himself. Indeed Jesus is exalted above the Hosts of Heaven, i.e The Stars of God.

And Jesus was the one who challenged YHWH in Isa 14:12-13?
Are you seriously serious? Hahahahahahahahaha.
Gerarahia mehn.

So YHWH said the following to Venues or Jesus?
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isaiah:14:12

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isaiah:14:13

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isaiah:14:14

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah:14:15

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah:14:15

They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isaiah:14:16

That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isaiah:14:17
But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Isaiah:14:19

You mean YHWH said this to Jesus or the planet Venus? Yeah right. Your humour is well noted.

Ronpet777:

U have made ur point so very clearly and I hv read extensively abt it and I am even still doing more research cos I find this illumination so fascinating.
In all humility I can assure you that I submit to being wrong abt Yahweh our God and their own Allah. I see the difference with every study I make. I went tru many books and allusions were made to d Quran for confirmation. I am still in shock from the things I hv read abt Mohammad and his msg and his God.

May YHWH be praised.

frank317:


good, now u understand what I mean when I said what i said in the quote below....

Hahahahaha! U r a clown.

frank317:


U are talking to someone who believes that yahweh is also amadioha

That's a very false accusation.I had a misconception abt Allah which is a very general believe. Amadiohia is a small god in d class of Sango, Oya and d likes. I never equated them with God almighty.

Emmanystone:

Na quarrel? Am glad you quoted the Scripture to back up your points. A reader of what you wrote here will see that God speaks in clear terms, He doesn't leave you guessing except He wants the matter sealed.

Nor be quarrel o!

Let's establish certain facts here.
1YHWH is sovereign over His creation. He can use anyone He pleases to bring to pass His purposes, whether that person worships Him or not.

Emmanystone:


No, not everyone had the Holy Spirit then. Only a select few. And pls not, His method were the same with all the vessels He used in the OT. He didn't change is Method.

If you leave the message giver and dwell on the message alone, you'd be deceived. Question is who is allah? Have you researched allah?

You seem to be suggesting that we should check the messenger before we can accept the message. If the messenger is not a yahoow worshipper then is that enough to discard the message? That is my point. you have said the message and the messenger have to be treated together and cannot be separated. I hoped to show you that that comment was not biblical.

Like you mentioned, Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, and Neco of Egypt were Heathen kings, yet YHWH used them to show forth his sovereignty. This shows that YHWH is Sovereign over His creation. He can use anyone to bring to pass His purposes, but He never does that hidden.

I guess the point you are trying to make here is, If YHWH could use these Heathens and call them His servants, why can't He use Muhammad?. He could if Muhammad didn't live when YHWH had decided that men come to Him only through one Channel, His Son YASHUA.

The point I am making is that your point (and note I have been addressing all your points though you claimed that I haven't) that you cannot consider the message without considering the messenger is utterly false.

How many prophecies did YHWH give through these Heathen kings you mentioned since they were servants of His?

I have absolutely no idea. I wasn't there, and when I read the account of it in the bible I wasn't counting. Perhaps you'd like to tell us how many times, and also how that is relevant to anything.

If Muhammed was YHWH Prophets as you are trying to make it seem, How many of YHWH's prophecies did Muhammed prophesy and how many have been fulfilled so far? since YHWH Himself says that the sign that He has called a prophet is that, what that Prophet says comes to.pass, how many have come to.pass?

Menh, with this your criteria we can toss out the entire bible. Do you know how many unfulfilled prophecies there are in the bible?

You didn't show where it says he was a prophet of God.


May be you shd read the same Bible you quoted from to see how many kings started well with YHWH but fell off at last. If you read you see that even Solomon the Great who was the first to built the Temple, derailed and later built temples to Egyptian and Assyrian gods side by side YHWH's Temple. If he didn't repent, a strong thing would have happened to him.

Yep, I have read the bible and the same bible told me how wonderful Josiah was and how there was no other king in the whole history of Israel that was like Josiah. And it also tells us why Yahoo was so angry and it wasn't because Josiah did any falling away. He remained staunchly faithful to Yahoo.

24Moreover, Josiah put away the mediums and the necromancers and the household gods and the idols and all the abominations that were seen in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, that he might establish the words of the law that were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the Lord. 25Before him there was no king like him, who turned to the Lord with all his heart and with all his soul and with all his might, according to all the Law of Moses, nor did any like him arise after him.

26Still the Lord did not turn from the burning of his great wrath, by which his anger was kindled against Judah, because of all the provocations with which Manasseh had provoked him. 27And the Lord said, “I will remove Judah also out of my sight, as I have removed Israel, and I will cast off this city that I have chosen, Jerusalem, and the house of which I said, My name shall be there.”

Josiah’s Death in Battle

28Now the rest of the acts of Josiah and all that he did, are they not written in the Book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah? 29In his days Pharaoh Neco king of Egypt went up to the king of Assyria to the river Euphrates. King Josiah went to meet him, and Pharaoh Neco killed him at Megiddo, as soon as he saw him

Shd i mention the Jewish kings who met their deads in the hands of the enemy nations?


So you only read the passages you want to twist and mislead? How did you know the Samaritans worshipped at Mt. Gerizim but didn't know why they did that? Oh wait!!!, You do, but you can't stand to point to YHWH as the God who abhors idol worship.

Now, here is why Samaritans worshipped in Mt. Gerizim. because of Solomon's Escapades with strange women, YHWH was very angry with him, although, he repented, but YHWH had prophesied that the kingdom will be divided into two, giving half to a servant. But that will happen in the days of Solomon's son's reign. It happened.

King Rehoboam was Solomon's Son, but Jeroboam was an Army officer in Jeroboam's Army. God anionted him king and gave him 10 tribes of Israel leaving Jeroboam with 2 tribes in Judah. Thus, Israel became divided into two kingdoms.

Samaria became the Headquarters of Israel, while Jerusalem became the headquarter of Judah.

Over time Jeroboam became insecure that as the Israelites kept going to the temple in Jerusalem to worship YHWH, they may reject him as the true king because, they indeed knew he was not a descendant of Abraham, hence, he blocked the borders and stopped the people from going to Jerusalem.
He inatead erected a statue of a Bull in Mt. Gerizim and forced the Israelites to worship it. This is how the Samaritans

You are going to have to show me where the bible says that Jeroboam put a Bull on Mt Gerizim because my bible doesn't say that anywhere. The Samaritans worshipped on Mt Gerizim and they weren't worshipping a Bull. Jesus himself acknowledged that they were worshipping the same God.

So what is my point? My point is that your claim that because someone isn't worshipping in the temple therefore they cannot be worshipping Yahoo is utterly false and quite unbiblical.

Who were the writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Did you not hear that General Titus destroyed the Temple sending the Jews to exile? But, did that stopped the Jews from worshipping their YHWH?

The writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls were Jews and they had no regard for the temple.

And thank you for further establishing my point by pointing out that after the temple was destroyed Jews continued in the worship of Yahoo.

That was a mistake. They worshipped YHWH while in Yathrib, and never worahipped Allah.

And, they not Arabic Jews, they just lived there.

How do you know that they weren't arabic jews or that arabic jews weren't amongst them.

What i expected from you is to touch the points i raised, but you dodged all of them.

Was Allah being worshipped while the Jews were living in Yathrib(Mecca)? If yes, why didn't the Jews worship allah as YHWH then? Why were their places of worship different Allah is YHWH? I expected you to answer this.

How do you know that Jews did not refer to Yahoo as Allah? After all missionaries to africa told us that Yahoo is Eledumare. In fact it is a common thing that when they meet a new culture they appropriate the names of local deities to use for Yahoo etc...

Like I've addressed numerous times above and in previous posts, where the worship is done has no bearing on whether they were worshipping Yahoo or not.

And Jesus was the one who challenged YHWH in Isa 14:12-13?
Are you seriously serious? Hahahahahahahahaha.
Gerarahia mehn.

So YHWH said the following to Venues or Jesus?
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isaiah:14:12

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isaiah:14:13

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isaiah:14:14

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah:14:15

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah:14:15

They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isaiah:14:16

That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isaiah:14:17
But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Isaiah:14:19

You mean YHWH said this to Jesus or the planet Venus? Yeah right. Your humour is well noted.

Nope, I didn't say that Jesus Challenged Yahoo. I meant to say that you don't know what you are talking about and that your understanding of that passage has too many holes in it.

1st hole.... Lucifer is a reference to the Planet Venus

2nd hole ... Jesus too is referred to as the bright and morning star.

3rd hole.... numerous passages in the prophets about being brought low from a high place and being humbled or brought down to Hell have often being ascribed to Jesus.


and many other holes but those 3 are good to start with.

AnonyNymous:
There just seem to be a lot more. A majority are closet atheists in real life. The number of people in Nigeria that don't believe in the conventional idea of God are far more than you think. They just don't express it openly. Heck, Adeboye himself could be on here as an atheist, crushing the Christians. But then maybe he wouldn't want to do that because it'd affect his business.

The Adeboye part tho!@...LOL

PastorAIO:

Nor be quarrel o!

It appears you are here just to argue for aguement sake. I'm not, and I may not respond to you after now. I have made my points clearly for any interested reader to see.

PastorAIO:

You seem to be suggesting that we should check the messenger before we can accept the message. If the messenger is not a yahoow worshipper then is that enough to discard the message? That is my point. you have said the message and the messenger have to be treated together and cannot be separated. I hoped to show you that that comment was not biblical.

Yes, that is what i'm saying in clear terms. Reason is, satan is a clever, lair who challenged YHWH that him also shall sit on a throne and be worshipped as YHWH, and since i know that Angels, albeit fallen, do not worship themselves, and they are no other beings with the intelligence to offer worship but Man, man remains Satan's target. Hence, he is here accepting worship.

Satan has done a good job of masquerading himself as gods by sending his demons to represent him in all human cultures. He is good as mixing little truths with lies with the intend to mislead.

He will take a little from the Bible, mix it with a lie, and the lazy ignorant who won't study for him/herself will just swallow everything to their peril. So Yes, I check the Messenger before accepting the messenger. As a matter of fact, Check the source of the messenger to be on the safe side.

YHWH is consistent, hence there's need to question any inconsistency in the message any messenger brings. E.g. Gabriel of the Bible says, Jesus is the Son of God. Jibril of the koran believed to be the same Gabriel says Jesus is a slave of Allah. I believe Gabriel of the Bible, why? He had given that message to somany prophets in the past, saying the same thing.

But, if you choose to believe the Jibril. Good for you.

My comment is Biblical because, YHWH Himself says that, for ua to know that he sent a messenger with the message, we should check if what that messenger says comes to pass. if not, he is fake. That's why i asked you to list the prophecies of your Muhammed and point how many are fulfilled.

PastorAIO:

The point I am making is that your point (and note I have been addressing all your points though you claimed that I haven't) that you cannot consider the message without considering the messenger is utterly false.

You haven't addressed any sir. You have been cleverly dodging the questions i raised from the previous post i made from where you jumped in from. You left everything out. That's to you. Gabriel never failed to inform anyone he was sent with a message who he was. He always says in Luke 1:13 He said Fear Not and Verse 19 he said, 'I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings'
Luke:1:19
This is how we know; As Zacharia got home that night, he slept with his very aged wife, she got pregnant and had a son and named him John, as the Angel had said. Believe what you want.

PastorAIO:

I have absolutely no idea. I wasn't there, and when I read the account of it in the bible I wasn't counting. Perhaps you'd like to tell us how many times, and also how that is relevant to anything.

What then was your motive when you came here prancing about calling them prophets?

It is relevant you because you called the Heathen Kings Prophets of YHWH and you insinuated that, if YHWH could use Neco of Egypt to warn Josiah, that makes Neco a Prophet of YHWH, hence He(YHWH] could use muhammed of Arabia with divergent message from what He had given before.

Sorry, Muhammed is a False Prophet. You can't win in this one.

PastorAIO:

Menh, with this your criteria we can toss out the entire bible. Do you know how many unfulfilled prophecies there are in the bible?

You can start mentioning some pls. Mind you, one is brewing right now as we speak. And, if you(the muslims) are told to stop hating and pursuing after the Nation of Israel, you won't hear. Ezekiel chapters 36, 37, 38, and 39 is about to be fulfilled.

Pls mention the ones which are not fulfilled, let me swallow you with the fulfilled ones. Am waiting. You will have to begin with Babylon.

PastorAIO:

Yep, I have read the bible and the same bible told me how wonderful Josiah was and how there was no other king in the whole history of Israel that was like Josiah. And it also tells us why Yahoo was so angry and it wasn't because Josiah did any falling away. He remained staunchly faithful to Yahweh

Yes, Josiah was wonderful, but went to war without enquering from his God abi? God had to use the mouth of a Heathen King to warn his stubborn heart to retrieve, yet he disobeyed. To you he was an excellent king abi. Weytin concern Josiah with that War in the first place? Abegi.

PastorAIO:

You are going to have to show me where the bible says that Jeroboam put a Bull on Mt Gerizim because my bible doesn't say that anywhere. The Samaritans worshipped on Mt Gerizim and they weren't worshipping a Bull. Jesus himself acknowledged that they were worshipping the same God.

But, you bragged about having a Bible nau. E no dey for your own Bible? Or as usual you have an intent to mislead? Here it is.
1 Kings 12:26-31 (Good News Bible)
[b]He (Jeroboam) said to himself, “As things are now, if my people go to Jerusalem and offer sacrifices to the Lord in the Temple there, they will transfer their allegiance to King Rehoboam of Judah and will kill me.”

After thinking it over, he made two (bull-calves) of gold and said to his people, “You have been going long enough to Jerusalem to worship.

People of Israel, here are your gods who brought you out of Egypt!” He placed one of the gold bull-calves in Bethel and the other in Dan.

And so the people sinned, going to worship in Bethel and in Dan. Jeroboam also built places of worship on hilltops, and he chose priests from families who were not of the tribe of Levi.[/quote]

PastorAIO:

So what is my point? My point is that your claim that because someone isn't worshipping in the temple therefore they cannot be worshipping Yahoo is utterly false and quite unbiblical.

I didn't say that. Pls do not misquote me. I said, long before Muhammed was born, his grand father, Al Muttalab, and his father Abdulla worshipped Allah in the Arabic Peninsular. Jews were also there worshipping their YHWH, they never worshipped in the same worshipping place. If Allah and Yahweh are the same Deity, they would have of course worshipped together. There were Christians there too, but they never worshipped what Al Muttalab or Abdulla worshipped.

The Kaaba then wasn't exclusively the house of Allah, it was called 'the house god', as all the gods worshipped in that area had an efigy made and placed there as a representative. Allah was there too.

It is even said that the statue of the Catholic Mary, mother of Jesus was there. But the owners of these deities never gathered at the Kaaba to worship until Muhammed came along killing people, clearing off other idols leaving only his own. He even removed the daughters of allah, Alat, Malat and Uzzah leaving allah childless.

PastorAIO:

The writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls were Jews and they had no regard for the temple.

What did they write? They had no regard for the Temple or they didn't have one as it was destroyed?

PastorAIO:

And thank you for further establishing my point by pointing out that after the temple was destroyed Jews continued in the worship of Yahweh

Yes they did. But, i didn't establish your point. The point you are trying to make is, Muhammed was a prophet of YHWH albeit, an Arab. That's why you brought in the Heathen Kings YHWH talked to and you called them prophets. And, am here proving to you that that is a big lie.

Jews will continue to worship YHWH they way they are doing now until the person of AntiChrist is revealed, at the verge of him (The Antichrist) imposing himself to them to be worshipped as God, the veil which has covered their hearts all the while to deny Jesus as their messiah, will be taken away, and they will embrace Christ.

PastorAIO:

How do you know that they weren't arabic jews or that arabic jews weren't amongst them.

I'm a Cameroonian born and raised in Nigeria. Am i a Nigerian or Cameronian?

PastorAIO:

How do you know that Jews did not refer to Yahweh as Allah? After all missionaries to africa told us that Yahweh is Eledumare. In fact it is a common thing that when they meet a new culture they appropriate the names of local deities to use for Yahweh.

Missionaries told you that Eledumare is YHWH? And these Missionaries happened to be Jews right?

Are there Jews in Nigeria?
Does Eledumare have a worship place?

How many Jews or Christians have you seen worshipping there?

Did the missionaries worship in Eledumare's temple? (Pls note, a Temple is a worship place)

I'm not Yoruba, so i won't really know this, but i often Yorubas call YHWH Oluwa. Is Oluwa tje same as Eledumare?

You for real do not know the Jews. The Jews do not Assimilate. It's the same thing the muslims have copied. If they do, they would have lost their mother tongue in all the years of exile if they do.

A Jew can never be like You, never. There are strick, unbending and uncompromising. That's why, when you don't flow with the trent, you're called a Jew.

Even if the whole world accepts to do a thing as right, if a Jew has seen it to be wrong, a Jew will never do it. He'd rather die.

This your lie here enh. Jews calling YHWH Eladumare. Na waoooo

A Jew can not even call their God by name YHWH, they rather use LORD, yet they call him Allah or Eledumare?. Taaaaa.

PastorAIO:

Nope, I didn't say that Jesus Challenged Yahweh. I meant to say that you don't know what you are talking about and that your understanding of that passage has too many holes in it.

You a sorcerer, understands the Bible better than a Christian okwaya? Now listen. Follow the Context there and tell me who that passage is referring to. Pls stop making a jest of yourself.

If you say because Jesus is called the Bright and the Morning Star, He is Lucifer, and if Isa 14 is talking about Lucifer, then it's talking about Jeaus, meaning Jesus challenged YHWH, because the Luficer in Isa 14 challenged YHWH. You are not clever by half.

PastorAIO:

1st hole.... Lucifer is a reference to the Planet Venus

2nd hole ... Jesus too is referred to as the bright and morning star.

3rd hole.... numerous passages in the prophets about being brought low from a high place and being humbled or brought down to Hell have often being ascribed to Jesus.

Lolzzzzz.
1. Bring this passages that talked about Jesus being humbled and being brought down to hell. Let analyze them.

2. You invariably said, Venus challenged YHWH in Isa 14.
3. Oga, stop with the deceit. Only satan is a master of deceit. Oh, wait!!!!!, the deep calleth to the deep.

PastorAIO:

and many other holes but those 3 are good to start with.

Hahahahahahahahha. Am waiting for you to bring up the scriptures let's really poke holes on your assertions. Abeg stop lying. Lairs have their place in hellfire.

Ronpet777:

That's a very false accusation.I had a misconception abt Allah which is a very general believe. Amadiohia is a small god in d class of Sango, Oya and d likes. I never equated them with God almighty.

U said u were worshiping the same Gods with Pagans. if now why did it inform u that pastors destroy shrines and And even went ahead to claim that pastors destroy only shrines that do bad things.
What God did u think Vaxx was worshiping?

Ronpet777:

That's a very false accusation.I had a misconception abt Allah which is a very general believe. Amadiohia is a small god in d class of Sango, Oya and d likes. I never equated them with God almighty.

You equated them with ur almighty God when u said u were all worshiping the same God. You said the source is the same but the channel was different.

Emmanystone:

It appears you are here just to argue for aguement sake. I'm not, and I may not respond to you after now. I have made my points clearly for any interested reader to see.

Actually I'm not here to engage in senseless arguments with you. I stated my point for entering this discussion. I will now again, state clearly why I am here.


You are making false claims left right and center with the objective of accumulating power to assuage your turbulent hateful mind. You think, falsely, that if you can acquire some kind of authority to dictate what is true and right then you will not feel so disturbed in your soul.
You probably don't know that this is what you are doing, but I'll demonstrate it to you.

I have a particularly strong distaste for this kind of behaviour and I am determined to expose you. Of course you may decide to not respond to me, that doesn't matter because I'm actually more concerned for the other people who might read these threads.

[quote author=frank317 post=65027994]
You equated them with ur almighty God when u said u were all worshiping the same God. You said the source is the same but the channel was different. [/quote
The source is not the same o. ]

PastorAIO:


Actually I'm not here to engage in senseless arguments with you. I stated my point for entering this discussion. I will now again, state clearly why I am here.


You are making false claims left right and center with the objective of accumulating power to assuage your turbulent hateful mind. You think, falsely, that if you can acquire some kind of authority to dictate what is true and right then you will not feel so disturbed in your soul.
You probably don't know that this is what you are doing, but I'll demonstrate it to you.

I have a particularly strong distaste for this kind of behaviour and I am determined to expose you. Of course you may decide to not respond to me, that doesn't matter because I'm actually more concerned for the other people who might read these threads.

You have said nothing.

The post i made which you saw and jumped in is whether or not Muhammed was a channel used by YHWH. Instead of treating that, you are speaking grammar.

Was muhammed a prophet of YHWH?

Is Gabriel Jirbil?

Is Allah YHWH?

Treat these and stop the grammar.

Emmanystone:



Yes, that is what i'm saying in clear terms. Reason is, satan is a clever, lair who challenged YHWH that him also shall sit on a throne and be worshipped as YHWH, and since i know that Angels, albeit fallen, do not worship themselves, and they are no other beings with the intelligence to offer worship but Man, man remains Satan's target. Hence, he is here accepting worship.

Satan has done a good job of masquerading himself as gods by sending his demons to represent him in all human cultures. He is good as mixing little truths with lies with the intend to mislead.

He will take a little from the Bible, mix it with a lie, and the lazy ignorant who won't study for him/herself will just swallow everything to their peril. So Yes, I check the Messenger before accepting the messenger. As a matter of fact, Check the source of the messenger to be on the safe side.

How do you know that angels don't worship angels? Did you invent that one, or did you get the revelation in a dream? Or maybe you read it in your own special edition of the bible?

How are you sure that the Yahoo that you're worshiping is not a demon too, like the other gods of other cultures? What is your evidence?



On the matter of checking the Messenger, consider this:

11Now an old prophet lived in Bethel. And his sonsa came and told him all that the man of God had done that day in Bethel. They also told to their father the words that he had spoken to the king. 12And their father said to them, “Which way did he go?” And his sons showed him the way that the man of God who came from Judah had gone. 13And he said to his sons, “Saddle the donkey for me.” So they saddled the donkey for him and he mounted it. 14And he went after the man of God and found him sitting under an oak. And he said to him, “Are you the man of God who came from Judah?” And he said, “I am.” 15Then he said to him, “Come home with me and eat bread.” 16And he said, “I may not return with you, or go in with you, neither will I eat bread nor drink water with you in this place, 17for it was said to me by the word of the Lord, ‘You shall neither eat bread nor drink water there, nor return by the way that you came.’” 18And he said to him, “I also am a prophet as you are, and an angel spoke to me by the word of the Lord, saying, ‘Bring him back with you into your house that he may eat bread and drink water.’” But he lied to him. [/b]19So he went back with him and ate bread in his house and drank water.

20And as they sat at the table, [b]the word of the Lord came to the prophet who had brought him back. 21And he cried to the man of God who came from Judah, “Thus says the Lord, ‘Because you have disobeyed the word of the Lord and have not kept the command that the Lord your God commanded you, 22but have come back and have eaten bread and drunk water in the place of which he said to you, “Eat no bread and drink no water,” your body shall not come to the tomb of your fathers.’” 1Kings 13



So we see here an established prophet of Yahoo lying through his teeth, and Yahoo didn't mind but still gave him a word of prophecy to speak at the dinner table.


consider this:

Balaam, son of Beor, was not an Israelite. He was a diviner who was consulted to curse Israel. Yet he managed to summon Yahoo by making sacrifices on the altars of Baal and when Yahoo came, he got a message from Yahoo for the Israelites...


“The oracle of Balaam the son of Beor,
the oracle of the man whose eye is opened,a
4the oracle of him who hears the words of God,
who sees the vision of the Almighty,
falling down with his eyes uncovered:
5How lovely are your tents, O Jacob,
your encampments, O Israel!
6Like palm grovesb that stretch afar,
like gardens beside a river,
like aloes that the Lord has planted,
like cedar trees beside the waters.
7Water shall flow from his buckets,
and his seed shall be in many waters;
his king shall be higher than Agag,
and his kingdom shall be exalted.
8God brings him out of Egypt
and is for him like the horns of the wild ox;
he shall eat up the nations, his adversaries,
and shall break their bones in pieces
and pierce them through with his arrows.
9He crouched, he lay down like a lion
and like a lioness; who will rouse him up?
Blessed are those who bless you,
and cursed are those who curse you.”
Numbers 24

Is Balaam's prophecy to be rejected because he was not an Israelite. In fact he is known as the one who lured Israelites into worshiping foreign gods etc.


14But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality. -Revelations 2

Emmanystone:

YHWH is consistent, hence there's need to question any inconsistency in the message any messenger brings. E.g. Gabriel of the Bible says, Jesus is the Son of God. Jibril of the koran believed to be the same Gabriel says Jesus is a slave of Allah. I believe Gabriel of the Bible, why? He had given that message to somany prophets in the past, saying the same thing.

But, if you choose to believe the Jibril. Good for you.

26God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness.” - Acts 3

PastorAIO:


26God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness.” - Acts 3

What is this?

PastorAIO, did you study theology? if no, how come you're so knowledgeable about it?

Emmanystone:



You didn't show where it says he was a prophet of God.

21 But he sent envoys to him, saying, “What have we to do with each other, king of Judah? I am not coming against you this day, but against the house with which I am at war. And God has commanded me to hurry. Cease opposing God, who is with me, lest he destroy you.” 22 Nevertheless, Josiah did not turn away from him, but disguised himself in order to fight with him. He did not listen to the words of Neco from the mouth of God, but came to fight in the plain of Megiddo. 2Chronicles 35

Who else utters words from the mouth of God if not prophets of the God?

How are you sure that the Yahoo that you're worshiping is not a demon too, like the other gods of other cultures? What is your evidence?



On the matter of checking the Messenger, consider this:

11Now an old prophet lived in Bethel. And his sonsa came and told him all that the man of God had done that day in Bethel. They also told to their father the words that he had spoken to the king. 12And their father said to them, “Which way did he go?” And his sons showed him the way that the man of God who came from Judah had gone. 13And he said to his sons, “Saddle the donkey for me.” So they saddled the donkey for him and he mounted it. 14And he went after the man of God and found him sitting under an oak. And he said to him, “Are you the man of God who came from Judah?” And he said, “I am.” 15Then he said to him, “Come home with me and eat bread.” 16And he said, “I may not return with you, or go in with you, neither will I eat bread nor drink water with you in this place, 17for it was said to me by the word of the Lord, ‘You shall neither eat bread nor drink water there, nor return by the way that you came.’” 18And he said to him, “I also am a prophet as you are, and an angel spoke to me by the word of the Lord, saying, ‘Bring him back with you into your house that he may eat bread and drink water.’” But he lied to him. [/b]19So he went back with him and ate bread in his house and drank water.

20And as they sat at the table, [b]the word of the Lord came to the prophet who had brought him back. 21And he cried to the man of God who came from Judah, “Thus says the Lord, ‘Because you have disobeyed the word of the Lord and have not kept the command that the Lord your God commanded you, 22but have come back and have eaten bread and drunk water in the place of which he said to you, “Eat no bread and drink no water,” your body shall not come to the tomb of your fathers.’” 1Kings 13



So we see here an established prophet of Yahoo lying through his teeth, and Yahoo didn't mind but still gave him a word of prophecy to speak at the dinner table.


consider this:

Balaam, son of Beor, was not an Israelite. He was a diviner who was consulted to curse Israel. Yet he managed to summon Yahoo by making sacrifices on the altars of Baal and when Yahoo came, he got a message from Yahoo for the Israelites...


“The oracle of Balaam the son of Beor,
the oracle of the man whose eye is opened,a
4the oracle of him who hears the words of God,
who sees the vision of the Almighty,
falling down with his eyes uncovered:
5How lovely are your tents, O Jacob,
your encampments, O Israel!
6Like palm grovesb that stretch afar,
like gardens beside a river,
like aloes that the Lord has planted,
like cedar trees beside the waters.
7Water shall flow from his buckets,
and his seed shall be in many waters;
his king shall be higher than Agag,
and his kingdom shall be exalted.
8God brings him out of Egypt
and is for him like the horns of the wild ox;
he shall eat up the nations, his adversaries,
and shall break their bones in pieces
and pierce them through with his arrows.
9He crouched, he lay down like a lion
and like a lioness; who will rouse him up?
Blessed are those who bless you,
and cursed are those who curse you.”
Numbers 24

Is Balaam's prophecy to be rejected because he was not an Israelite. In fact he is known as the one who lured Israelites into worshiping foreign gods etc.


14But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality. -Revelations 2[/quote]

PastorAIO:

How do you know that angels don't worship angels? Did you invent that one, or did you get the revelation in a dream? Or maybe you read it in your own special edition of the bible?

I will only respond to you if you treat my posts.

hhhhh