mufutau55:


I am almost 7ft tall and no water on my ceilings.
POP can retain or repell water to a very extense.
There is no justification not to use POP in a bathroom.

Hajji M.

You be Andre de Giant

Androidking:
Guys I have serious question Or let me say important question
We all know that most people that design three to 4 storey building usually use kick out columns
Even when der is cantilever or not
Pls I want to ask is it actually necessary or it old style of building
What if u buried d pillar for it to flush with d wall is der any structural implication in it ??


Because I building of 3 deck and d structural ENGR buried d columns inside d walls and it was stamped and approved by LGA .


Now I saw an ENGR who is building 4 deck and he kicked out his columns but in d architectural design of the same house . d architect (me) designed it in a away all column must be buried .

Does it mean our engrs cant do wonders with structures any more. .must I kick out my columns pls I need answers and ideas. Thanks

Can you post pictures?

gbadexy:

This is interesting and very possible. The main thing is to have a waterproof barrier.
Adding white cement with gypsum cement further still improves it's durability when in contact with water.

I hope people are paying attention to these things.

Nothing is impossible in building engineering.

One should get his idea to a professional to help get it actualized.

Empiree:

You be Andre de Giant

Not that close... I am about 6ft 4ins, with arm long span... I am touching my 8ft ceilings..

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


Not that close... I am about 6ft 4ins, with arm long span... I am touching my 8ft ceilings..

Hajji M.

Wow

Androidking:
Guys I have serious question Or let me say important question
We all know that most people that design three to 4 storey building usually use kick out columns
Even when der is cantilever or not
Pls I want to ask is it actually necessary or it old style of building
What if u buried d pillar for it to flush with d wall is der any structural implication in it ??


Because I building of 3 deck and d structural ENGR buried d columns inside d walls and it was stamped and approved by LGA .


Now I saw an ENGR who is building 4 deck and he kicked out his columns but in d architectural design of the same house . d architect (me) designed it in a away all column must be buried .

Does it mean our engrs cant do wonders with structures any more. .must I kick out my columns pls I need answers and ideas. Thanks

I will start by pointing out some simple term use by you that is a bit confusing
When you say, buried columns do you mean that the column section is of the same dimension with the wall? In this case, our normal walls are 225mm thick ( 9" walls) which means the wall will also have a section of 225 x 225mm.

To the best of my understanding, the section of a column ( the size which is the width and length of the column) is governed by the magnitude of the load that the column will carry, minimum cover size ( the gap between the reinforcement and the outer surface of the column, this cover size which also depend on how long you want the column to withstand fire in the case of outbreak and also natural condition like moisture) and to some extent the hight of the column.

For a building with four suspended floors, It will be normal for the upper column to be flushed with the building because it carries a smaller load, but as the column comes down the section of the column increases where the column will need to shoot out of the walls for it to be adequate, reason why we normally have shoot columns for high rise building.

Barryton:

7ft U use shower or bath?

A little exaggerated but close at 6ft 4ins, with arm long span... I am touching my 8ft ceilings...
I made sure my builder, Aventures, added more courses above the lintel in my Naija build... for higher headroom.
I am always aware of low Arc when I visit friend houses in Naija. (It's not easy being tall).

But to your question, I use both... you just need to fold yourself like a dead fish ni o.
Here, they won't extend headroom in your house unless you have money like the Basketball players.
I will not walk under ceiling fan or chandeliers...

Hajji M.

For discuss sake, sometimes last week, i was just moving around my site and came across this site..

Pic attached.

Clearly, the Engineer was filling this swamp land with laterite prior to Foundation. The foundation will be built on this filled 'imported' sand.

The problem with this is that:

-Vegetation was not removed

-Under this vegetation we have about 400-600mm depth of black muddy soil which should also have been removed.

I asked the Engineer If he could do remove the top soil (in a friendly way) but he said there's no need as time will be wasted, labour fees will also be increased and this is how they do it in Ajah where he comes from.

Engineers and Enthusiasts, What do you think? Have you adopted this method of filling and building on the sand?

mufutau55:


Not that close... I am about 6ft 4ins, with arm long span... I am touching my 8ft ceilings..

Hajji M.

you tall still

Empiree:
you tall still

My brother, I can't help it o.... it was inherited, Papa side; my kids are too.

Hajji M.

KolaShangOne:
For discuss sake, sometimes last week, i was just moving around my site and came across this site..

Pic attached.

Clearly, the Engineer was filling this swamp land with laterite prior to Foundation. The foundation will be built on this filled 'imported' sand.

The problem with this is that:

-Vegetation was not removed

-Under this vegetation we have about 400-600mm depth of black muddy soil which should also have been removed.

I asked the Engineer If he could do remove the top soil (in a friendly way) but he said there's no need as time will be wasted, labour fees will also be increased and this is how they do it in Ajah where he comes from.

Engineers and Enthusiasts, What do you think? Have you adopted this method of filling and building on the sand?

Make I come learn boss

KolaShangOne:
For discuss sake, sometimes last week, i was just moving around my site and came across this site..
Pic attached.
Clearly, the Engineer was filling this swamp land with laterite prior to Foundation. The foundation will be built on this filled 'imported' sand.

Never seen it done like this o, but then what do I know. Ajah for real.

Hajji M.

Can you help me with drawing of twins room and palour self contained with exit door at kitchen

KolaShangOne:
For discuss sake, sometimes last week, i was just moving around my site and came across this site..

Pic attached.

Clearly, the Engineer was filling this swamp land with laterite prior to Foundation. The foundation will be built on this filled 'imported' sand.

The problem with this is that:

-Vegetation was not removed

-Under this vegetation we have about 400-600mm depth of black muddy soil which should also have been removed.

I asked the Engineer If he could do remove the top soil (in a friendly way) but he said there's no need as time will be wasted, labour fees will also be increased and this is how they do it in Ajah where he comes from.

Engineers and Enthusiasts, What do you think? Have you adopted this method of filling and building on the sand?

wonders shall not end. The house will stand for a while but will surely settle differentially.

KolaShangOne:
For discuss sake, sometimes last week, i was just moving around my site and came across this site..

Pic attached.

Clearly, the Engineer was filling this swamp land with laterite prior to Foundation. The foundation will be built on this filled 'imported' sand.

The problem with this is that:

-Vegetation was not removed

-Under this vegetation we have about 400-600mm depth of black muddy soil which should also have been removed.

I asked the Engineer If he could do remove the top soil (in a friendly way) but he said there's no need as time will be wasted, labour fees will also be increased and this is how they do it in Ajah where he comes from.

Engineers and Enthusiasts, What do you think? Have you adopted this method of filling and building on the sand?

I have seen cases where the top soil was excavated & filled with sand before foundation & it was raft foundation. Perhaps the soil test didn't emphatically specify removing the top soil before filling...& that sand in the pic look too redish for it.

Rubbiish:

I have seen cases where the top soil was excavated & filled with sand before foundation & it was raft foundation. Perhaps the soil test didn't emphatically specify removing the top soil before filling...& that sand in the pic look too redish for it.

ALL soil tests that I have seen even on dry land requires you to remove top soil. It is like a constant. I'm sure @EgunMogaji can remember when me and him discussed it during his build.

Also, the land shouldn't be filled before foundation walls are done. A Raft shouldn't sit on imported sand.

KolaShangOne:


ALL soil tests that I have seen even on dry land requires you to remove top soil. It is like a constant. I'm sure @EgunMogaji can remember when me and him discussed it during his build.

Also, the land shouldn't be filled before foundation walls are done. A Raft shouldn't sit on imported sand.

1st bold Me too
2nd Bold the one i saw was filled before the raft & foundation walls was done.
Guess to construct your walls & foundation is the proper thing to do after excavation & not filling before construction?

KolaShangOne:


ALL soil tests that I have seen even on dry land requires you to remove top soil. It is like a constant. I'm sure @EgunMogaji can remember when me and him discussed it during his build.

Also, the land shouldn't be filled before foundation walls are done. A Raft shouldn't sit on imported sand.

I do remember that but I opted not to do it because I had a different plan. I slowly filled the foundation and let it naturally sink/settle for over a year.

Over here it’s normal to do proper groundwork first before foundation and on future build is exactly what I would do. Keyword is proper.

mufutau55:


I am almost 7ft tall and no water on my ceilings.
POP can retain or repell water to a very extense.
There is no justification not to use POP in a bathroom.

Hajji M.

da fuq 7ft tall, hmmm baba u tall o

abdulwastecx:


Make I come learn boss

See my Oga..

I dey come pay you visit tomorrow make i learn more..

EgunMogaji:


I do remember that but I opted not to do it because I had a different plan. I slowly filled the foundation and let it naturally sink/settle for over a year.

Over here it’s normal to do proper groundwork first before foundation and on future build is exactly what I would do. Keyword is proper.

That's another way.

By the time you leave it for a while, all possible settlements would have occurred and you're good to go.

Rubbiish:

1st bold Me too
2nd Bold the one i saw was filled before the raft & foundation walls was done.
Guess to construct your walls & foundation is the proper thing to do after excavation & not filling before construction?

Yes sir

mufutau55:


Never seen it done like this o, but then what do I know. Ajah for real.

Hajji M.

They do it like this very well.. Especially in that Ajah and environs. They don't have grasses there so they just sandfill straight off..

gabbytabby:
Oga Chekitaut I hope you have set things up for me. Time is money so no dissappoint me oh.

No wahala ma.

The popular 5/8 Granite a.k.a 3/4down price will change from today now 2,400/ton
Hence 30tons to:-

Mainland @N148,000
V.I, Island, Lekki altru Ajah @N160,000

all other sizes remain the same.

jadell:
Good evening house, please I am trying to find out if it makes any economic and aesthetic sense to choose PVC (amoula to be precise) over POP considering the prices are almost the same.

Regards

Say no to PVC. It is a fire hazard. Try Nigerite Ikeja (nigeritelimited dot com) for your ceiling solution. If not in Lagos or Ibadan look for your local distributor.

KolaShangOne:

They do it like this very well.. Especially in that Ajah and environs. They don't have grasses there so they just sandfill straight off..

Oh no grass? And no problem in future with the foundation.

Hajji M.

mufutau55:


My brother, I can't help it o.... it was inherited, Papa side; my kids are too.

Hajji M.

Enough money for the kids now through NBA

Androidking:
Guys I have serious question Or let me say important question
We all know that most people that design three to 4 storey building usually use kick out columns
Even when der is cantilever or not
Pls I want to ask is it actually necessary or it old style of building
What if u buried d pillar for it to flush with d wall is der any structural implication in it ??


Because I building of 3 deck and d structural ENGR buried d columns inside d walls and it was stamped and approved by LGA .


Now I saw an ENGR who is building 4 deck and he kicked out his columns but in d architectural design of the same house . d architect (me) designed it in a away all column must be buried .

Does it mean our engrs cant do wonders with structures any more. .must I kick out my columns pls I need answers and ideas. Thanks

Only possible at the last floor, parameter columns will still get to the roof beam. Inner columns may be lost at 4th couches or at the last decking.

KolaShangOne:


They do it like this very well.. Especially in that Ajah and environs. They don't have grasses there so they just sandfill straight off..

Skimanski did something like that for a Nairalander at Agungi. It was sharp sand filling

ice4u999:

Enough money for the kids now through NBA

I hope so o.

Hajji M.

abdulwastecx:


I will start by pointing out some simple term use by you that is a bit confusing
When you say, buried columns do you mean that the column section is of the same dimension with the wall? In this case, our normal walls are 225mm thick ( 9" walls) which means the wall will also have a section of 225 x 225mm.

To the best of my understanding, the section of a column ( the size which is the width and length of the column) is governed by the magnitude of the load that the column will carry, minimum cover size ( the gap between the reinforcement and the outer surface of the column, this cover size which also depend on how long you want the column to withstand fire in the case of outbreak and also natural condition like moisture) and to some extent the hight of the column.

For a building with four suspended floors, It will be normal for the upper column to be flushed with the building because it carries a smaller load, but as the column comes down the section of the column increases where the column will need to shoot out of the walls for it to be adequate, reason why we normally have shoot columns for high rise building.

Thank you for this, I have also seen designs for buildings with 4 suspended floors where the lower floors does not have columns designed to shoot out. The column design was still rectangular, 450x225 with Y20 x 6 rods as reinforcement but designed to flush on the walls without coming out. I think it was designed that way because the building has no cantilevers.