*I NEED YOUR OPINION PLS*

Christian sister got pregnant and the Church decided to discipline her since she was not married.

When the elders of the Church met and interviewed her, she told them that she has stayed and remained in the Church for several years and no one is marrying her and she is getting to and approaching the age of menopause where she can't get pregnant even if married.

So after reading some Christian medical journals on this issues, she decided and did artificial insemination since she too wants a child. She tendered both the medical journals and the medical documents that showed that she has done the artificial insemination from a reputable hospital.

The Sister is pregnant without committing fornication nor adultery with any man.

*NOW, COULD THIS BE A SIN?*

Kindly give your reasons for your answer and if possible back it with Scripture, so dat we can learn. You may wish to send to your Christian friends and see their position on the matter.
What's your position?

I am sure if the blessed Virgin Mary was alive in our time and was destined to give birth to Jesus, the church will excommunicate her. Her parents will disown her and ask her to go look for who impregnated her.


I don't think artificial insemination is a sin.

TOBIWHITE:
*I NEED YOUR OPINION PLS*

Christian sister got pregnant and the Church decided to discipline her since she was not married.

When the elders of the Church met and interviewed her, she told them that she has stayed and remained in the Church for several years and no one is marrying her and she is getting to and approaching the age of menopause where she can't get pregnant even if married.

So after reading some Christian medical journals on this issues, she decided and did artificial insemination since she too wants a child. She tendered both the medical journals and the medical documents that showed that she has done the artificial insemination from a reputable hospital.

The Sister is pregnant without committing fornication nor adultery with any man.

*NOW, COULD THIS BE A SIN?*

Kindly give your reasons for your answer and if possible back it with Scripture, so dat we can learn. You may wish to send to your Christian friends and see their position on the matter.
What's your position?

Lalasticlala
Edificationboss
Afoife
Mudiana

dingbang:
I am sure if the blessed Virgin Mary was alive in our time and was destined to give birth to Jesus, the church will excommunicate her. Her parents will disown her and ask her to go look for who impregnated her.


I don't think artificial insemination is a sin.

The way our generation take Christianity is appalling bro!
God help us

It is a sin. As a christian,sex and conception is restricted to matrimony and should be the product of the love shared by two individuals .
Artificial insemination turns the human child and indeed humanity in general into an object that can be obtained and sold for the selfish desires of humans by a non human process. Once humans can be procured in ways outside of natural conception the human person has lost his dignity and is subject to further corruption for selfish ends. We end up being no better than a bottle of vodka on a shelf, and a culture of death ensues where if it is easy to create humans mechanically(that is with aid outside sex and marriage) then there is no scruples in mass murder because mass production is possible.Humans basically no longer have value because they can be mass produced .Hence,insemination while possible, is against the culture of life that protects all of society instead of satisfying the wants(not needs) of a few.I say ''want'' because not all individuals need to breed to protect society.
On the issue of cases similar to Mary.Proper investigation and the application of Christian compassion and mercy would suggest that a real Christian church will judge if the child is out of wedlock,if found so,would require the persons involved to repent and then apply forgiveness for the penitent one.

In summary, Artificial insemination objectifies and cheapens human life,opening the way to a culture of death.
If you are looking for a biblical explanation you wont find it because there was no artificial insemination in those day.What is clear though is that any method of conception outside marriage is a sin.

For Christians, love between 2 people should be the only method of bringing children into the world.

TOBIWHITE:


Lalasticlala
Edificationboss
Afoife
Mudiana

well, I don't know any scripture in the bible to back it up, but Mary got pregnant wih baby Jesus without sexual inter course. If Mary didn't commit sin, then this woman didn't commit sin. Mary's own was spiritual but hers is science. No sin committed here.

For Catholics.

The Catholic Church teaches that among humans artificial insemination constitutes such a violation of the dignity of the person and the sanctity of marriage as to be contrary to the natural and divine law. Catholic teaching on artificial insemination (among humans) was summed up by Pope Pius XII in an address to Catholic physicians (September 29, 1949). The various dimensions of the immorality involved include: in donor insemination (insemination with the active element of a donor); the third-party invasion of the exclusive marriage covenant in a kind of mechanical adultery; the irresponsibility of the donor fathering a child for which he can fulfill no paternal responsibility; and the deordination of his masturbation in order to thus donate his paternal seed. Even if insemination could be artificially achieved with the husband's semen properly collected (without masturbation) the papal teaching still points out that any process that isolates the sacred act of human generation from the beautiful and intimate conjugal union of the marriage act itself is inconsistent with the holiness and intimate personalism of that two-in-one-flesh union which alone is appropriate for the generation of a child. As long, however, as the integrity of the marriage act is preserved, various clinical techniques designed to facilitate the process are not to be condemned.

https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/index.cfm?id=31983

U.S. council of catholic Bishops. UCCB.


In 1987 the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a document known as Donum Vitae ("The Gift of Life" ), which addressed the morality of many modern fertility procedures. The document did not judge the use of technology to overcome infertility as wrong in itself. It concluded that some methods are moral, while others—because they do violence to the dignity of the human person and the institution of marriage—are immoral. Donum Vitae reaffirmed an obligation to protect all human life when married couples use various technologies to try to have children. Without questioning the motives of those using these techniques, Donum Vitae pointed out that people can do harm to themselves and others even as they try to do what is good, that is, overcome infertility. The fundamental principle which the Church used to assess the morality of various means of overcoming infertility was a rather simple one, even if its application is sometimes difficult.

Donum Vitae teaches that if a given medical intervention helps or assists the marriage act to achieve pregnancy, it may be considered moral; if the intervention replaces the marriage act in order to engender life, it is not moral.

www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/reproductive-technology/begotten-not-made-a-catholic-view-of-reproductive-technology.cfm

Note to all Christians. Masturbation may be a step in the process to artificial insemination.

It saddens me to observe that religion seems to oppose anything which can make a woman’s life better.
There should be no need for this debate at all. I am grateful to the Christians who have picked the right side.

If the story about Abraham impregnating Sarah's maid due to her barreness was not punished by God, If Solomon can have many wives, If Jacob can have two and all of them being God's favorites were not punished by it, why will this one make God angry?

Seun:
It saddens me to observe that religion seems to oppose anything which can make a woman’s life better. There should be no need for this debate at all. I am grateful to the Christians who have picked the right side.

Making society a better place is more important than making either gender happier. Artificial insemination is a danger to marriage and the family life on the whole.Remember,the family is the smallest binding unit of any society. This very case shows an example of a woman's act that suggests marriage is not necessary.
Such acts lead to large scale divorce rates,the unwinding of the family unit ,one of the results happens to be enmity and a battle of the sexes as is occurring in the West where each sex says; 'Thanks to technology we don't need you'.This is one of the first stages in the collapse of human order.

whatever is not of faith is sin

dragon2:



Making society a better place is more important than making either gender happier. Artificial insemination is a danger to marriage and the family life on the whole.Remember,the family is the smallest binding unit of any society. This very case shows an example of a woman's act that suggests marriage is not necessary.
Such acts lead to large scale divorce rates,the unwinding of the family unit ,one of the results happens to be enmity and a battle of the sexes as is occurring in the West where each sex says; 'Thanks to technology we don't need you'.This is one of the first stages in the collapse of human order.

What sort of illogical claptrap is this?

Just a collection of incoherent sentences wound around slippery slope fallacy.

Artificial insemination is making society worse? Why don't you do away with the other inventions of modern medicine too and livebin your "perfect society"?


Of course, marriage is NOT NECESSARY - whether to a man or a woman.


No, the Bible is not a tenable proof that marriage is necessary.


Learn to look further than your nose. The world doesn't revolve around your beliefs.

KeenMind:

What sort of illogical claptrap is this?

Just a collection of incoherent sentences wound around slippery slope fallacy.

Artificial insemination is making society worse? Why don't you do away with the other inventions of modern medicine too and livebin your "perfect society"?


Of course, marriage is NOT NECESSARY - whether to a man or a woman.


No, the Bible is not a tenable proof that marriage is necessary.


Learn to look further than your nose. The world doesn't revolve around your beliefs.

If you believe marriage is not necessary for procreation there is no need for us to debate on this particular issue neither can you understand my earlier posts. This thread was directed at Christians.

Edit.
since your profile name suggests you are a deep thinker,let me asks a question. In a society,with little or no marriage and rampant divorce combined with alternative means of procreation outside of marriage. Do you think a point will come when men and women will consider each sex as a hindrance to their happiness and success hence a gender war? Will children be considered and un neccesary baggage to attaining success and liberty? pls, use you deep thinking abilities.

dragon2:


If you believe marriage is not necessary for procreation there is no need for us to debate on this particular issue neither can you understand my earlier posts. This thread was directed at Christians.

Edit.
since your profile name suggests you are a deep thinker,let me asks a question. In a society,with little or no marriage and rampant divorce combined with alternative means of procreation outside of marriage. Do you think a point will come when men and women will consider each sex as a hindrance to their happiness and success hence a gender war? Will children be considered and un neccesary baggage to attaining success and liberty? pls, use you deep thinking abilities.

what is your v opinion on artificial insemination in marriage is it a sin too?

dragon2:



Making society a better place is more important than making either gender happier. Artificial insemination is a danger to marriage and the family life on the whole.Remember,the family is the smallest binding unit of any society. This very case shows an example of a woman's act that suggests marriage is not necessary.
Such acts lead to large scale divorce rates,the unwinding of the family unit ,one of the results happens to be enmity and a battle of the sexes as is occurring in the West where each sex says; 'Thanks to technology we don't need you'.This is one of the first stages in the collapse of human order.

from this op the women doesn't think marriage is not necessary. she only opted for artificial insemination because she feared she won't be able to get married before menopause calls.

scientists didn't develop methods of artificial insemination because of divorce or battlefield of the sexes stop yarning dust.

Humanistme:


from this op the women doesn't think marriage is not necessary. she only opted for artificial insemination because she feared she won't be able to get married before menopause calls.

scientists didn't develop methods of artificial insemination because of divorce or battlefield of the sexes stop yarning dust.

What single individuals do and think,and what scientist discover and apply are not important in the overall world view.It is how the general society reacts to or is affected by it. As i have said before,the family is the smallest uniting unit of the social group/society,not the individual and marriage is the uniting bond of the family. We learn by observing and copying what we see despite our different conditions in life. To the unmarried AI is a reason not to marry in the long run (a freedom from spousal responsibilities).To the married it is an opt-out point if you no longer feel the need to remain in the relationship as more people divorce and celebrate their singleness.

The fallout of a society deep in the mud of IVF,AI,Contraception and other mechanical procreative practices,is less marriages (resulting in lower birth rates) higher divorce rates among married couples(to have the empowering 'sexual freedom' of the unmarried) and a demeaning of the opposite sex ( misandry/misogyny) which is the opposite of the uniting power of family units in society.

The growing misandry,and misogyny is the fallout of the scientific processes' mechanical interference in natural procreation. Men and women are beginning to demean and hate each other more because the don't share any lasting love and see less examples of such in society.(life long unions/marriages)And mechanical procreation/contraception is a negative force that advances that hate.
Because it is not wide spread here yet does not mean it won't be soon, just look to the west for examples.

Anyway this thread is meant to be from a christian POV,the fact that masturbation is an important first step in AI (artificial insemination) has already made the process sinful from the start.

dragon2:


What single individuals do and think,and what scientist discover and apply are not important in the overall world view.It is how the general society reacts to or is affected by it. As i have said before,the family is the smallest uniting unit of the social group/society,not the individual and marriage is the uniting bond of the family. We learn by observing and copying what we see despite our different conditions in life. To the unmarried AI is a reason not to marry in the long run (a freedom from spousal responsibilities).To the married it is an opt-out point if you no longer feel the need to remain in the relationship as more people divorce and celebrate their singleness.

The fallout of a society deep in the mud of IVF,AI,Contraception and other mechanical procreative practices,is less marriages (resulting in lower birth rates) higher divorce rates among married couples(to have the empowering 'sexual freedom' of the unmarried) and a demeaning of the opposite sex ( misandry/misogyny) which is the opposite of the uniting power of family units in society.

The growing misandry,and misogyny is the fallout of the scientific processes' mechanical interference in natural procreation. Men and women are beginning to demean and hate each other more because the don't share any lasting love and see less examples of such in society.(life long unions/marriages)And mechanical procreation/contraception is a negative force that advances that hate.
Because it is not wide spread here yet does not mean it won't be soon, just look to the west for examples.

Anyway this thread is meant to be from a christian POV,the fact that masturbation is an important first step in AI (artificial insemination) has already made the process sinful from the start.

artificial insemination is not the reason for singleness /divorce. you can still have sex without getting and become a baby mama /baby daddy.

misogyny and patriarchy is as old as ever. and it is entrenched in your religious books. it is not caused by artificial insemination.

and you didn't answer my second question

is artificial insemination also a sin in a marriage where the couple cannot conceive through natural method?


and how. does contraceptives cause misogyny /misandry. there is nothing I would not see on nairaland.

you guys hate anything that will make people's live better.

Humanistme:


artificial insemination is not the reason for singleness /divorce. you can still have sex without getting and become a baby mama /baby daddy.

misogyny and patriarchy is as old as ever. and it is entrenched in your religious books. it is not caused by artificial insemination.

and you didn't answer my second question

is artificial insemination also a sin in a marriage where the couple cannot conceive through natural method?




and how. does contraceptives cause misogyny /misandry. there is nothing I would not see on nairaland.

you guys hate anything that will make people's live better.

Hate is in the eye of the person that perceives it. A child can hate the father for not allowing him to eat poisoned food.That you do not understand a knowledge that limits you or opposes you does not mean it hates you.

Within marriage AI is a sin,especially if 1.masturbation is a first step to AI. 2.if it involves an external person who has no responsibilities to the child and has broken the marriage covenant(mechanical adultery)3. such a person has profited financially from it and hence turned human life into something that can be bought and sold.In these cases the marriage has been wounded.This does not mean any scientific method of aiding conception without mechanically interfering in the primary act is sinful. E.g. drugs.

Contraception changes the natural social and primary role of sex from procreation to recreation.This dramatic shift leads to less marriage as more people want to have more sexual partners, and see no reason to form a life long bond with a single person. This,socially,separates the sexes.There is no permanent life long neutral meeting point between man and woman(marriage) in society,or many strong examples of it, and no mutual dependencies between the sexes.Sex hence becomes a short term contract with no permanent emotion attached.Once they(man and woman) are totally independent of each other and do not have any permanent benefit from a relationship with each other, misandry and misogyny is the next natural logical step. The increase in such discrimination would be in exponential proportions.

@op,


There is nothing wrong with what she did......................................................why do you need bible backing?!!!

dragon2:


Hate is in the eye of the person that perceives it. A child can hate the father for not allowing him to eat poisoned food.That you do not understand a knowledge that limits you or opposes you does not mean it hates you.

Within marriage AI is a sin,especially if 1.masturbation is a first step to AI. 2.if it involves an external person who has no responsibilities to the child and has broken the marriage covenant(mechanical adultery)3. such a person has profited financially from it and hence turned human life into something that can be bought and sold.In these cases the marriage has been wounded.This does not mean any scientific method of aiding conception without mechanically interfering in the primary act is sinful. E.g. drugs.

Contraception changes the natural social and primary role of sex from procreation to recreation.This dramatic shift leads to less marriage as more people want to have more sexual partners, and see no reason to form a life long bond with a single person. This,socially,separates the sexes.There is no permanent life long neutral meeting point between man and woman(marriage) in society,or many strong examples of it, and no mutual dependencies between the sexes.Sex hence becomes a short term contract with no permanent emotion attached.Once they(man and woman) are totally independent of each other and do not have any permanent benefit from a relationship with each other, misandry and misogyny is the next natural logical step. The increase in such discrimination would be in exponential proportions.

where in the bible is thou shall not masturbate written?

If the man's wife helps him to extract the sperm is it still sinful?

if a doctor suspects low sperm is the cause of infertility and wants to conduct tests is it still a sin for the man to masturbate in order to provide doctor the sample he/she needs to confirm the diagnosis?

also is adoption now a sin since authorities /owners of the motherless/fatherless homes profit from it?

so a married woman who her life is at risk if she has more children or a poor family cannot use contraceptive and breed like almajiris in this our overpopulated shithole of a country with limited resources? ok

I repeat you hate anything that makes people's life better.

this is how some fanatics will suffer poor women to give birth to children even at the age when their lives is at risk because contraceptive is a sin. zealots.

go and check the statistics of maternal mortality in this our shithole.

Humanistme:


where in the bible is thou shall not masturbate written?

If the man's wife helps him to extract the sperm is it still sinful?

if a doctor suspects low sperm is the cause of infertility and wants to conduct tests is it still a sin for the man to masturbate in order to provide doctor the sample he/she needs to confirm the diagnosis?

also is adoption now a sin since authorities /owners of the motherless/fatherless homes profit from it?

so a married woman who her life is at risk if she has more children or a poor family cannot use contraceptive and breed like almajiris in this our overpopulated shithole of a country with limited resources? ok

I repeat you hate anything that makes people's life better.

this is how some fanatics will suffer poor women to give birth to children even at the age when their life is at risk because contraceptive is a sin. zealots.

go and check the statistics of maternal mortality in this our shithole.

Nigeria is a mess because we are not a meritocratic nation. People do not value education and reward it,neither do we value its application, hard work and industry and the groundwork required for it e.g. infrastructure. The Greater nations of this world notice and reward you for your effort by giving you more opportunities and leadership roles.Here it is suppressed to maintain the power status quo of a selfish few,so stop blaming our population.In the 80's when our population was about 80 million where we an advancing merit-based society? Even now our population is less than the U.S. and China and just larger than Russia- all superpowers,our landmass is much smaller than theirs but we are still at the back end of the world because we are not merit driven, not because of numbers.

Masturbation is a sin, Genesis 38:8-10 Google onanism. From the scriptural person ona and research intensively.

Adoption is meant to be free,we don't sell babies.That is cheapening of human life. Making humans a product on the shelf.If you want an orphan you should just register and get one. We don't want baby factories.

There are already alternative natural methods of planning a family. Do your research.

Any man who does not consider his wife's health or even his personal wealth when considering how many kids to have is completely irresponsible and dangerous. Period.

Any process of masturbation that simulates sex or attempts sexual arousal leading to masturbation is sinful irrespectful of those involved.If a man on his own can sin against his body when masturbating then it is possible with others involved.

I oppose what worsens society even if it makes a persons life easier(not better).

dragon2:


Nigeria is a mess because we are not a meritocratic nation. People do not value education and reward it,neither do we value its application, hard work and [b]industry [/b]and the processes required for it e.g. infrastructure. The Greater nations of this world notice and reward you for your effort by giving you more opportunities and leadership roles.Here it is suppressed to maintain the power status quo of a selfish few,so stop blaming our population.In the 80's when our population was about 80 million where we an advancing merit-based society? Even now our population is less than the U.S. and China and just larger than Russia- all superpowers,our landmass is much smaller than theirs but we are still at the back end of the world because we are not merit driven, not because of numbers.

Masturbation is a sin, Genesis 38:8-10 Google onanism. From the scriptural person ona and research intensively.

Adoption is meant to be free,we don't sell babies.That is cheapening of human life. Making humans a product on the shelf.If you want an orphan you should just register and get one. We don't want baby factories.

There are already alternative natural methods of planning a family. Do your research.

Any man who does not consider his wife's health or even his personal wealth when considering how many kids to have is completely irresponsible and dangerous. Period.

Any process of masturbation that simulates sex or attempts sexual arousal leading to masturbation is sinful irrespectful of those involved.If a man on his own can sin against his body when masturbating then it is possible with others involved.

I oppose what worsens society even if it makes a persons life easier(not better).

you said this "Any man who does not consider his wife's health or even his personal wealth when considering how many kids to have is completely irresponsible and dangerous. Period.
"

so how is use of contraceptives sinful?

are physical barriers such as IUD/condoms sinful also.

"God" was angry with onanism not because of masturbation but because he refused to impregnate his brother's wife as he was commanded.

in the real world i.e. in this our country Nigeria adoption is not free. in fact it is expensive that is why baby factories even thrive because they are cheaper.

so if a couple is childless in Nigeria they should die childless like that because adoption is sinful you are not serious.

If you are saying withdrawal method is sinful how will a couple then do their birth control give me examples of this your natural methods

how does a man masturbating to provide sample for the lab scientists in order to fix his reproductive health commiting a sin? how does it affect the society negatively you have not answered that.

again where did the bible say thou shalt not masturbate?

I mean the bible was quite detailed in condemning murder and homosexuals how was masturbation missed if it was so sinful?

Humanistme:



you said this "Any man who does not consider his wife's health or even his personal wealth when considering how many kids to have is completely irresponsible and dangerous. Period.
"

so how is use of contraceptives sinful?

are physical barriers such as IUD/condoms sinful also.

"God" was angry with onanism not because of masturbation but because he refused to impregnate his brother's wife as he was commanded.

in the real world i.e. in this our country Nigeria adoption is not free. in fact it is expensive that is why baby factories even thrive because they are cheaper.

so if a couple is childless in Nigeria they should die childless like that because adoption is sinful you are not serious.

If you are saying withdrawal method is sinful how will a couple then do their birth control give me examples of this your natural methods

how does a man masturbating to provide sample for the lab scientists in order to fix his sexual health commiting a sin? how does it affect the society negatively you have not answered that.

again where did the bible say thou shalt not masturbate?

I mean the bible was quite detailed in condemning murder and homosexuals how was masturbation missed if it was so sinful?

Are you reading my posts?
I have already explained to you how contraception changes procreative sex to re-creative sex,damages marriage and social cohesion between man and woman and you still ask how it is sinful? People are engaging in more uncontrolled sex outside of marriage both adultery and fornication, using contraceptives as the primary tool and you ask how is it sinful?.

On my quote where I said "Any man who does not consider his wife's health...." I was talking about using natural family planing. google it, and research.Educate yourself this is not a battle of wits.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=natural+family+planning&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Ona was punished by God not because he refused to impregnate his brothers wife but because he poured out his seed.

Noun[edit]
onanism (usually uncountable, plural onanisms)

Masturbation.
Ejaculating outside the vagina during intercourse; (the performing of) coitus interruptus.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/onanism


Each marriage act (act of sexual intercourse) must be unaltered before, during, or after the act. No action may be taken to alter the act because each act must be objectively unitive and procreative in order to be authentic and properly ordered as God designed.

Subjectively that particular act may or may not be procreative. For example, if someone is naturally infertile due to time of the month, post-menopause, already pregnant, etc, then an unaltered act of intercourse is objectively procreative but subjectively does not result in conception. Condoms and IUD artificially prevent the procreative act ordained by God which is meant to result in natural conception hence, are sinful.

I wont speak on contraception again because it is a derailment of the OP's topic.

The real world is not the "Real"world but a corrupt one run by money and greed.Are you really a humanist to think that child selling is acceptable? That giving a price to human life is o.k.?If you are not aware child selling is called child trafficking and is an abominable crime in many parts of the world.
The Hague Convention on Intercountry Adoption is a treaty which bans the buying and selling of children and attempts to impose controls and regulation on inter-country adoption, which gives rise to the practice.[65]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child-selling.

Any method of the so called sexual health that involves masturbation is a sin.

dragon2:


Are you reading my posts?
I have already explained to you how contraception changes procreative sex to re-creative sex,damages marriage and social cohesion between man and woman and you still ask how it is sinful? People are engaging in more uncontrolled sex outside of marriage both adultery and fornication, using contraceptives as the primary tool and you ask how is it sinful?.

On my quote where I said "Any man who does not consider his wife's health...." I was talking about using natural family planing. google it, and research.Educate yourself this is not a battle of wits.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=natural+family+planning&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Ona was punished by God not because he refused to impregnate his brothers wife but because he poured out his seed.

Noun[edit]
onanism (usually uncountable, plural onanisms)

Masturbation.
Ejaculating outside the vagina during intercourse; (the performing of) coitus interruptus.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/onanism


Each marriage act (act of sexual intercourse) must be unaltered before, during, or after the act. No action may be taken to alter the act because each act must be objectively unitive and procreative in order to be authentic and properly ordered as God designed.

Subjectively that particular act may or may not be procreative. For example, if someone is naturally infertile due to time of the month, post-menopause, already pregnant, etc, then an unaltered act of intercourse is objectively procreative but subjectively does not result in conception. Condoms and IUD artificially prevent the procreative act ordained by God which is meant to result in natural conception hence, are sinful.

I wont speak on contraception again because it is a derailment of the OP's topic.

The real world is not the "Real"world but a corrupt one run by money and greed.Are you really a humanist to think that child selling is acceptable? That giving a price to human life is o.k.?If you are not aware child selling is called child trafficking and is an abominable crime in many parts of the world.
The Hague Convention on Intercountry Adoption is a treaty which bans the buying and selling of children and attempts to impose controls and regulation on inter-country adoption, which gives rise to the practice.[65]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child-selling.

Any method of the so called sexual health that involves masturbation is a sin.

if by natural method you mean calendar method method of contraception then you must know it is not effective because of changes in the woman's cycle and for some women their cycle is not even regular.

also sex between couple is not solely for procreation it is meant to be enjoyed. the bible said couples should not deny themselves.

so i was referring to use of contraceptives in marriage not for casual sex(casual sex/adultery is already a sin with or without contraception I do not know what your point is. )


why is coitus interruptus sinful?

my point about adoption is that they don't allow to adopt free like that. the processes cost money.

would you rather the child dies or not properly cared for in motherless/fatherless babies cos you do not want to part with some cash?

you are just bringing up irrevant point. my comments was not in anyway supporting child trafficking. there regulatory bodies for legal adoption in Nigeria.

so why does your god allow procreation in a woman that pregnancy will put at risk

why does he allow ectopic pregnancies that's the question you should be asking.

Humanistme:


if by natural method you mean calendar method method of contraception then you must know it is not effective because of changes in the woman's cycle and for some women their cycle is not even regular.

also sex between couple is not solely for procreation it is meant to be enjoyed. the bible said couples should not deny themselves.

so i was referring to use of contraceptives in marriage not for casual sex(casual sex/adultery is already a sin with or without contraception I do not know what your point is. )


why is coitus interruptus sinful?

my point about adoption is that they don't allow to adopt free like that. the processes cost money.

would you rather the child dies or not properly cared for in motherless/fatherless babies cos you do not want to part with some cash?

you are just bringing up irrevant point. my comments was not in anyway supporting child trafficking. there regulatory bodies for legal adoption in Nigeria.

so why does your god allow procreation in a woman that pregnancy will put at risk

why does he allow ectopic pregnancies that's the question you should be asking.

Point of correction,natural family planing is 95-99% effective,more than many a contraceptive.

Sex is meant to be enjoyed but it is not recreational,but procreational.

Firstly, I have already stated that interrupting the natural procreative process ordained by God using an artificial means is against Gods will hence a sin.so contraception is a sin no matter the status of those involved. In-fact ona was involved in both masturbation and contraception. I wont repeat that.
2. It desecrates marriage.and relationship between the sexes(read previous posts above).
3. It promotes promiscuity among married couples to a degree that threatens their marriage in ways not possible before.
4. Sex between married couples using contraceptive is not unitive,that is,it doesn't bind them but rather slowly makes the sex a sex based on pleasure not love. A pleasure that can be found outside marriage.

There is no such thing as cost of processing an adoption that is double speak for selling.Orphanages have never in times past required the children to be adopted for cash to sustain the facility.

God has never approved of disease in humans as a good thing,it is a corruption of the body. So also an ectopic pregnancy is a disorder of a normal pregnancy. In-fact,the Catholic Church teaches, if in a person that has an ectopic pregnancy the healing procedure leads to the unavoidable accidental loss of the child, it is not an acquired abortion.

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Point of correction,natural family planing is 95-99% effective,more than many a contraceptive.

prove this statement

Sex is meant to be enjoyed but it is not recreational,but procreational.

Firstly, I have already stated that interrupting the natural procreative process ordained by God using an artificial means is against Gods will hence a sin.so contraception is a sin no matter the status of those involved. In-fact ona was involved in both masturbation and contraception. I wont repeat that.
2. It desecrates marriage.and relationship between the sexes(read previous posts above).
3. It promotes promiscuity among married couples to a degree that threatens their marriage in ways not possible before.
4. Sex between married couples using contraceptive is not unitive,that is,it doesn't bind them but rather slowly makes the sex a sex based on pleasure not love. A pleasure that can be found outside marriage.

There is no such thing as cost of processing an adoption that is double speak for selling.Orphanages have never in times past required the children to be adopted for cash to sustain the facility.

God has never approved of disease in humans as a good thing,it is a corruption of the body. So also an ectopic pregnancy is a disorder of a normal pregnancy. In-fact,the Catholic Church teaches, if in a person that has an ectopic pregnancy the healing procedure leads to the unavoidable accidental loss of the child, it is not an acquired abortion.

you keep regurgitating the same thing. where is the bible verse that said use of contraception, masturbation /use of condom is a sin.



if contraception is a sin then your so called natural method is also a sin since you carefully plan against God's plan for procreation.

so adoption is a sin then? ok

good luck with your fanatism.

from my previous post. '',.... In-fact ona was involved in both masturbation and contraception. I wont repeat that...''

Noun[edit]
onanism (usually uncountable, plural onanisms)

Masturbation.
Ejaculating outside the vagina during intercourse; (the performing of) c.oitus interruptus.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/onanism


C.oitus interruptus, also known as the rejected sexual intercourse, withdrawal or pull-out method, is a method of birth control in which a man, during sexual intercourse, withdraws his penis from a woman's vagina prior to orgasm (and ejaculation) and then directs his ejaculate (semen) away from the vagina in an effort to avoid insemination.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coitus_interruptus

what you are calling adoption is not adoption,if you want to adopt find the right place to.

The natural method of family planing does not artificially/mechanical obstruct the sexual act in any way.


All of the studies involve the use of the ClearBlue fertility monitor along with cervical mucus monitoring. In general, the perfect use efficacy of the Marquette Method ranges from 1-2 unintended pregnancies per 100 women over 12 months of use, in other words 98-99% effective to avoid pregnancy when used correctly.
https://nfp.marquette.edu/efficacy.php

If 100 sexually active women don't use any contraception, 80 to 90 will become pregnant in a year. If used according to teaching and instructions, natural family planning methods are up to 99 per cent effective, depending on which method is used.
https://www.fpa.org.uk/contraception-help/natural-family-planning


Making things easy doesn't mean making them better.

The just shall live by faith (Roman 1:17). Faith is putting our trust in God's Word not on science, human wisdom or philosophy. The only biblical method of procreation is through conjugal relationship between a man and a woman who are legally married to each other. Procreating outside wedlock (cohabitation) is biblically wrong.

Her case is even worse than cohabitation because there may not be a biological father for the child. To give birth to a child without a biological father is not normal, except she want to give birth to another 'Jesus'.

Having said all of this, I will not fail to point out in my own opinion that a legally married couple that chooses to go for artificial insemination may not have violated the biblical law of procreation. However, if I may advice, I will counsel such couple to go for adoption.