LZAA:

[s]first of its IGBO not iboe or wateva ur british masters taught u to spell and call it
secondly d ffg statements always seem to come from afonjaland
igbos dont love diaselves
igbos are not united
biafra means war(ds one always makes me lmao)
deltans are not igbo(of course this changes when dy commit crimes.hmm strange logic this)
they are landlocked and won't survive(hmm going by this logic then kuwait and dubai wont survive)
they want SS oil(ahh yes finally their mask falls off but sadly for them the SS has seen through this lie )
all these statements str8 outta afonjaland
stop crying more than the bereaved.the present nigerian structure is just accelerating the birth of biafra[/s]

greiboy:
I don't get the point of your disagreement and why any oba of lagos saga will strengthen your points

I just told you that I had firsthand experience and had discussions with igbo people in Igbo land.

All the time I spent in Igbo land, which was about a year, the majority of the grievances of Igbo people is not different from their grievances on nairaland, which are the lack of slot in government, the lack of economic infrastructures such as a seaport and international airport in east and the inability to produce a president for Nigeria,

isn't those similar arguments KANU uses to support the idea of a Biafra nation


What other thing did I miss?

Anyways, I am interested in having this arguments.

Good luck with your struggle.

ProWalker:

What is the meaning of this rubbish you wrote?

LZAA:

response to ur quote

ProWalker:

LZAA:

hmmm
how does it relate?
hmm
im guessing the keyword being self determination should be sufficient
also those conflicts i listed are more or less between brothers not foriegners
that africa charter included foreigners to quash colonialism

LaudableXX:

_(sigh) You didn't understand the question....!

LZAA:


All the time I spent in Igbo land, which was about a year, the majority of the grievances of Igbo people is not different from their grievances on nairaland, which are the lack of slot in government, the lack of economic infrastructures such as a seaport and international airport in east and the inability to produce a president for Nigeria,

lack of slot in govt?yorubas and hausas said gej's govt was igbo
d deputy sen president is igbo
d east produced the senate president during obj's reign and thanks to quota system everybody produces a minister in nigeria.

pretty sure the enugu airport is now intl and upgrading to that effect

igbo president?believe me most igbos dont care about politics,they just want a level playing ground

Biafra started d day hausas started screaming araba and kept killing igbos way after their counter coup(which murtala and nuhu nathan confessed it was about the north seceeding)
Nnamdi kanu is a single individual not the whole ipob or biafra movement
BZM and Massob are still going strong

LaudableXX:


Please go back and read the entire African Charter including Article 20 very well, before you decide to quote any part of it, in order to support your half-baked views.



Now, please answer the following questions:

1). In trying to pursue their "unquestionable and inalienable right to self-determination," as well as "pursue their economic and social development according to the policy they have freely chosen," kindly tell us what policy have your IPOB people chosen to achieve this aim? Is it the policy of causing instability in Nigeria, or the policy of hate speech and insulting other ethnic groups via radio? Is the policy of insults by radio, a universally recognised policy that will fetch them Biafra?

2). Do your IPOB people fall into the category of "colonized or oppressed peoples," who "shall have the right to free themselves from the bonds of domination, by resorting to any means recognized by the international community?" If they do, then pray do tell, what are the means recognised by the international community, that they have chosen to deploy in their process to free themselves from oppression? Can you kindly share these processes with us?

3). The last paragraph states that "All peoples shall have the right to the assistance of the State Parties to the present Charter, in their liberation struggle against foreign domination." Now can you please tell us which foreign parties are dominating your people?

Finally, to what extent does Article 20 conflict with Article 23 which states that :


This means that all peoples (including those within Nigeria) shall have the right to national peace and security, which is not expected to be disturbed by any unrest, attacks or instability from any quarters, including IPOB or anybody else.

greiboy:
ok

if you say so, but remember that even kanu himself made mention of all those grievances I mentioned earlier times without number.

Also majority of ipob followers and sympathizers on nairaland are now running the campaigning" back to dura" for Buhari, suggesting they favor a candidate who will be more sympathetic to the igbos or a candidate that will encourage an Igbo vice president.

in any event, I am not interested in arguing about tribal politics or to blame anyone or any group for the majority of Nigeria problems because we were all here (I mean every tribe in Nigeria) when it all started.

Good luck

gidgiddy:
The policy chosen by IPOB is agitation and massmobilisation, civil disobedience, demonstration, boycott, all of which are legal, which will cause the Nigerian National Assembly to consider moving a motion to grant them a referendum. Personally, I do not know how an unarmed and non violent movement can be causing instability in Nigeria. How is that possible?

Scotland was not colonised or oppressed, that did not take away their right to a 2014 independence referendum.

How exactly are IPOB distubing the peace? Is it their loud demonstrations and rallies? They are allowed freedom of movement and expression under the constitution

As for insults. There is no crime in the eyes of the law called "insult". There may be defamation and libel, but not insult. So if anyone feels insulted, they should stop listening to IPOB or its Radio

LaudableXX:


Boycott? What exactly did they boycott? And since you said "The policy chosen by IPOB is agitation and mass mobilisation, civil disobedience, demonstration, boycott, all of which are legal...", please provide the exact clauses in international and national law, that support these claims.

Secondly you said: "Scotland was not colonised or oppressed, that did not take away their right to a 2014 independence referendum." Please point out the exact sections of the Nigerian law, that support referendum as a pathway to secession, like the one in Scotland. The question I asked in my last post, had nothing to do with Scotland, but your IPOB people. How were they colonised?

Finally, the freedom to swing your arms, ends where the next man's nose begins. So your so-called 'freedom of movement and expression' has its limits, or else you could be arrested for trespassing, if your right to freedom of movement is wrongly exercised, while you could be arrested for sedition or treason, if your right to freedom of expression is wrongly deployed.

gidgiddy:


Not at all. The Biafran movement existed before Kanu was born.

Ikpeazu's interview exposes him as someone who reasons like any other Nigerian and not as an Igbo man. He keeps talking about war, war, war as if that is what Biafra is about. Nnamdi Kanu wanted a referendum and not war. I also do not understand where people like Ikpeazu get this idea that majority of Igbos want Nigerias unity? Support a referendum let the Igbos go and decide if the love Nigeria.

And like the biased politician he is, he is not even talking about the illegal and unwarranted invasion of his state by the Nigerian Army and the killing of unarmed members of his constituency.

gidgiddy:
Read chapter 4 of the 1999 constitution and note all the freedoms allowed all citizens.

gidgiddy:
The Nigerian constitution does not have independence referendum. However, that is what agitation is for. Putting pressure on the legislature to change the law using non violent and legal agitation of the people.

gidgiddy:
Sedition no longer exits in Nigerian law, it has been removed. Treason on the under hand cannot fly in the face of an unarmed movement.

37. (2) Any person conspiring with any person, either within or without Nigeria, to levy war against the State with intent to cause such levying of war as would be treason if committed by a citizen of Nigeria, is guilty of treason and is liable to the punishment of death:
Provided that nothing in this section shall prevent any act from being treason which is so by the law of England as in form in Nigeria. http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/text.jsp?file_id=218191

EternalTruths:
Tell that to United States & ICC courts.

All this lamentation won't save you when they finally declare you a criminal in those courts.

Be blabbing instead of begging.

LaudableXX:


Guy, there is nothing in Chapter 4 of the 1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria that supports "boycott." So please stop propagating falsehood. It only talks about the fundamental rights of Nigerian citizens, such as the freedom of movement, right to life, respect for the dignity of a person, entitlement to a fair hearing within a reasonable time by a court etc. It does not mention anything related to "agitation and mass mobilisation, civil disobedience, demonstration, or boycott." So why are you trying to mislead people??



So you know that referendum does not exist in the Nigerian constitution, and you were citing Scotland that decided to use referendum as an example? Isn't that rather clueless? In what way have you used constitutional means to engage your legislators, in both the state and federal house of assembly, to push for a bill on referendum to be passed?



It has been stated that "....In every democratic society, each and every member of the society is granted the right to freedom of expression. In Nigeria, this right is contained in the provision of S. 39 of the 1999 Constitution.

However, this right comes with its own limitations. If this freedom is left unfettered, it is sure to be abused by members of the society. This is why it is provided for in S. 39 (3) and S. 45 (1) of the Constitution that the provisions of S. 39 would not invalidate any law that is reasonably justifiable in a democratic society." https://www.djetlawyer.com/offence-sedition-nigeria/

Sedition can also be found in the Criminal Code in section 50 (3) and section 51.

As for Treason, you would have to update your knowledge base. In the Nigerian Criminal Code Act (Chapter 77), Part 2 titled Offences against Public Order: Chapter 6, you will find a section on Treason and certain other Offences:



There is evidence that Kanu solicited for arms publicly, and conspired with others to levy war against the state.

gidgiddy:
Freedom of movement and expression, freedom to hold an opinion, freedom of association, freedom of assembly, freedom of thought and conscience. These freedom grabted to everyone under the constitution more thsn cover boycott, agitation, massmobilisation etc

gidgiddy:
It is not a must that Referendum must be in the constitution before one agitates for it. Infact, referendum need not even ever be in the constitution. A resolution passed passed on the floor of the national assembly can give an area a 'one time' referendum. It is not every decision that is made in the national assembly that finds its way into the constitution.

Britain is structured differently from Nigeria with power devolved to the Regions. Thats why all Scotland had to do was move and pass a motion for a referendum in the Scottish assembly for it to be adopted natiowide. Scotland doesnt even use the sane currency as the rest of Britain.

The way to get referendum the way Nigeria is structured is agitation. If the agitation is strong, the lawmakers will take notice.

gidgiddy:
Nnamdi Kanu may have solicited for weapons but he commited no crime. In the video were Nnamdi Kanu solicited weapons, not once did he say that he will use the weapons to fight Nigeria. What he said was that the guns were to protect his people.

Under the firearms act of Nigeria, any Nigerian adult can apply for license to own certain types of guns such as dane guns and double barrel guns and they can be used for gaming, hunting or personal protection. So Nnamdi Kanu soliciting for guns and ammunition breaks no laws. If you say he was asking for guns to fight Nigeria, you will have to prove it.

LaudableXX:


How exactly does the freedom of movement and freedom of expression, cover boycott, agitation etc? You have failed to prove this conclusively. The flawed interpretation you have given to those "freedoms" is totally misleading, and shows you are deluded. Moreover, those "freedoms," are not absolute. I already explained all that, in one of my previous posts.



Again, I ask: what constitutional means have you followed to engage your lawmakers at the state or federal house of assemblies to bring up a referendum bill for debate, or even insert a referendum clause in the constitution? Agitation will NOT make any lawmaker pass any bill in the green or red chamber. Only a formal application would do that. That is why some folks have suggested that IPOB should test its ideology at the polls, and get as many IPOB sympathisers elected as lawmakers, so they can push such bills within the assembly.

Stop using Scotland as your yardstick. There are too many wide differences between Scotland and IPOB. There is already a law on referendum in the UK. There is none in Nigeria. So each time, you try to equate what happened in Scotland with what is happening in your region, you end up sounding clueless.



Nnamdi Kanu solicited for weapons to use against Nigeria. Go back and watch the unedited version of that video, again. Also he made various inciteful pronouncements, against the Nigerian state. Stop trying to exonerate his tomfoolery. There is ample evidence against him, both in the print and social media. He never applied for firearms license, so what kind of point are you trying to make? You are only going to end up confusing yourself. Read Point No. 9 attached to this post. And tell us what Kanu said.

GloriaNinja:
IT SEEMS LIKE NNAMDI KANU ESCAPED FROM ALBINISM

EternalTruths:
Tell that to United States & ICC courts.

All this lamentation won't save you when they finally declare you a criminal in those courts.

Be blabbing instead of begging.

gidgiddy:
Well if you cannot understand how the 'freedoms' accorded to everyone in chapter 4 of the constitution covers simple things like agitation and massmobilisation then I cant help you there, Im not a dictionary. The wording in that chapter are clear enough for me.

gidgiddy:
If you think that no lawmaker will move a motion on referendum for IPOB based on IPOB agitation then you have put your self in a position to speak for the national assembly. It is for IPOB to try something and see if it will fail or not. Other pressure groups such NLC and NANS have held mass demonstrations in the past that compelled both the leadership of the National Assembly and government to make concessions, change position and even amend or introduce laws. IPOB ows it a duty to its self to try and fail rather declaring faliure before even trying. The agitation is the means of showing the lawmakers the sentiments of the people. Thousands of people on the streets waving the Biafra flag and demanding referendum is peoples power.

gidgiddy:
Posting some written note that Kanu said he is getting weapons to fight Nigeria is nonsense. Any kid in primary school can write the same and pen Kanu's name to it. The video where Kanu solicited weapons, at no time did he say he is using it to wage war on Nigeria. Guns can be owned by Nigerian adults under license, so the actual solicitation of arms is not illegal.

IPOB are too smart to get involved in the shark infested waters of Nigeria politics, they are not a political movement. They are a self determination pressure group who seek referendum.

Kanu may have made some statements people may find inciting but thats what the law courts are there for. If anyone thinks he said something he shouldnt, take him to court.

Did Kanu employ you to tell lies, on his behalf?

LZAA:


All the time I spent in Igbo land .......
Biafra started d day hausas started screaming araba and kept killing igbos way after their counter coup

TheCabal:


You are an Ibo man.
Only an easterner would easily forget the first coup plot in this country ceded power to the South-East.
Only an easterner would forget the first president of this country was an Easterner.
Only an easterner would Ojukwu dropped the first bomb on Lagos oil installations leading to the civil war
Only an easterner would blame another man for their internal problems.

kabarka:


Were you there?
Do you know what happened?
Election held quite all right.
Have you compared number of those that voted and those that did not.

madridguy:
I wish Kanu never associated himself with the rogues. Politician, they're master in use and dump.

LZAA:

_{Lagos oil installations??well seeing as nigeria's oil boom started in the 70's after the war(keep in mind i said oil boom not discovery i truly doubt if lagos had any oil installations and wasnt ojukwu's advance stopped at ore?}