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Re: What Is God? by MuttleyLaff: 7:42pm On Feb 21, 2018 |
plaetton:That is exactly what we want to know. Want contributors to write these opinions, beliefs and/or perceptions peddled about God and the variants of gods plus comparing and contrasting God with the variants gods. Example: God is this and that god1 is that and this god2 is that, that and that God is this that and that but god1 and god2 aren't this that and that etcetera Something like that and/or in the line of that, instead of this grandstanding plaetton:You've made it known you're agnostic to whatever God and god(s) means and/or represents. That's fine. 1 Like |
Re: What Is God? by MuttleyLaff: 7:52pm On Feb 21, 2018 |
budaatum:Thanks ojaare. I intimated a similar sentiment earlier too Bud, is the site down? I lost connection 10 mins or so ago and haven't since been able to successfully load the Web page 1 Like |
Re: What Is God? by budaatum: 7:52pm On Feb 21, 2018 |
plaetton:I agree. Even the question itself was wrong, according to some. So say your bit, or not, and be done. Some will learn from it. 1 Like |
Re: What Is God? by budaatum: 7:53pm On Feb 21, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:I lost connection too. Got an unusual timeout! It will be back soon. |
Re: What Is God? by budaatum: 7:56pm On Feb 21, 2018 |
butterflyl1on:And that is your view. Thank you. 1 Like |
Re: What Is God? by MuttleyLaff: 7:59pm On Feb 21, 2018 |
budaatum:Kk. When I had same timeout on a different mobile figured maybe they are having a downtime for maintenance or something Thanks. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is God? by budaatum: 8:04pm On Feb 21, 2018 |
jerflakes:I agree. How dare anyone ask you to explain! Thanks for being the first to respond. 1 Like |
Re: What Is God? by DeSepiero(m): 8:13pm On Feb 21, 2018 |
There's no objectivity on this issue so I'll highlight popular belief and drop my opinion. God is largely believed to be a supreme being and an intelligent creator of the universe. Also, gods are believed to be other lesser beings that are perhaps created by but subordinate to God, yet worshipped wrongly as God by some people. Depending on which religion one practices, names have been to God and gods. I think these ideas are largely promoted by contrasting religious beliefs. While the existence of God(s) in the religious sense is yet to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt, I, as a religious skeptic still am not enthusiastic about sticking to a particular belief system. However, If such exists, I may choose to call the first ever creative force God, and subsequent creative forces gods. Yet I still ask: aren't the subsequent forces part of the original? 4 Likes |
Re: What Is God? by Emmanystone: 8:46pm On Feb 21, 2018 |
budaatum:How dare anyone asked him to explain? Oh, i thought we were suppose to have a discussion(?). Sorry, i misunderstood. 1 Like |
Re: What Is God? by budaatum: 9:37pm On Feb 21, 2018 |
Emmanystone:Explain, I guess. And indeed, discuss. But not justify, I meant. |
Re: What Is God? by MuttleyLaff: 9:55pm On Feb 21, 2018 |
budaatum:To start with, I am not comfortable sitting on your one-legged "What is god?" question The ground is uneven, and in the absence of a plain level field, the three-legged stool was brought up One leg is "What is God?" Second leg is "What is god(s)?" Third leg is "What is compare and contrast God with god(s)?" Oh that? I didnt mean anything by it. Thats just my curious side geting the better of me I took on board his position that there aren't any difference between god, with capital first letter g and lowercase first letter g but became interested to know why he said there arent any difference between god, with capital first letter g and lowercase first letter g |
Re: What Is God? by MuttleyLaff: 9:56pm On Feb 21, 2018 |
budaatum:You're right, because we live in a world of fantasy and reality, we have gods, that are human constructs, Meanwhile other gods, are just as like, all God is about, only that, these other gods, due to their essence(s), have their authority limited to each own's sphere of influence Inanimate or not alive objects, deified and lying around at a shrine somwhere, obviously are in that list of yours but doesnt the stomach or belly, the typical wacky-and-die glutton has deified make your list? What of the beer, spirits, rum, alcohol etcetera, deified by drunks or alcoholics? What of money deified by chrematistics? In quest for their posts to make front page, throngs call out to the god of Nairaland and/or try to invoke his angels, regularly sending prayer wishes to the heaven of Nairaland for all sort of favours? You see, my friend, of all three, which will you accept as, the Good, the bad and the ugly |
Re: What Is God? by budaatum: 11:40pm On Feb 21, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:My stool is not for you to sit on! And claiming my stool does not have a proper numbers of legs is disingenuous. The question was not asking what others think god is, but what is god according to oneself. And that is what each person is required to give, stable stool to sit on or not! For a person who sees all gods as one and the same sort of thing, the assumed difference between god, gods and God does not exist. This was plaetton's second point which he called a "mental projection". It is an assumed difference. To a non-worshipper, god is the singular of gods, and God is just god with a capital letter 'g', used only to begin a sentence. In reality, we do know that a believer would not refer to their god with a small letter 'g'. But that is their stool, for them to describe. As Emmanystone pointed out, God is merely a title, like "Chief, Mr, King, Sir, and not the name of anyone's particular god. The capital form is the norm only when referring to a particular chief, mr, king or sir, which I am not doing. The proper names for the gods I gave as my example are all properly capitalised. 1 Like |
Re: What Is God? by budaatum: 11:55pm On Feb 21, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: I am not aware that anyone limits their god's influence to any particular sphere. In fact most people's god is the great big god with an unlimited sphere of influence, including creating the entire universe. I don't think one's god can get a greater sphere of influence than that though, I am sure many will claim their god's influence far exceeds even that limitation. It is my opinion that the "stomach or belly, and typical wacky-and-die glutton" has not deified "beer, spirits, rum, alcohol etcetera" in the same sense as that which people refer to as god is deified. I believe that the claim for deification made of these things is made by others, in a rather derogatory manner. No alcoholic I know would call a bottle of rum, god. |
Re: What Is God? by budaatum: 11:57pm On Feb 21, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:We are back on. |
Re: What Is God? by sonmvayina(m): 12:32am On Feb 22, 2018 |
God, goddess, devils,demons...are human construct employed to explain laws and principles.. I use the capital G, to define the universal law(or consciousness) ...and the small g, for the different principles that I can experience within this universal consciousness.. Examples of these includes death,thunder and lightening, destruction, love, sex, etc.. This principles are experienced or are like subset of the universal set...they all proceed from the universal source..knowledge of these principles is what is vital to my survival on this space ship called earth.. 1 Like |
Re: What Is God? by budaatum: 1:51am On Feb 22, 2018 |
Emmanystone: Please, question if you may! But note that no one is under obligation....... On reflection, I am consider myself out of order for suggesting otherwise. |
Re: What Is God? by MuttleyLaff: 4:31am On Feb 22, 2018 |
budaatum:Yeah, just woken up and so it seems Apparently they were down because they had a power outage Havent they got UPS? Tut tut tut Layout has changed after coming back though |
Re: What Is God? by MuttleyLaff: 7:25am On Feb 22, 2018 |
budaatum:You must be having a laugh Emmanystone said: "your question is flawed from all fronts and advised that you try again." I concur with Emmanystone's statement that your question is flawed because it is unbalanced and on uneven grounds. Recall I earlier said: "What is God?" is an incomplete and isolated enquiry The stool presented by OP ought have at least three legs and not this a one-legged stool, that's doomed to topple whoever sits on it Yeah, who wants to sit on a crooked and one legged stool budaatum:If any, is being disingenuous, it's you with you with your hand caught in the cookie jar and biscuit crumbs on your mouth You asked an uneven question, knowing fully well that out there, for some, God and god(s) are quite distinct from each other budaatum:Have you a problem with being fair? Your question, in the circumstance it is asked, reeks of favoritism, self-interest or bias It is a one-sided question, not taking into account what others think god and God is, and not taking into account what is god and God according to oneself plus to others budaatum:You've just proven my point about having uneven grounds and you putting out a question without minding others' distinction of God and god(s), is you presenting a one-legged stool and blatantly asking for all to just as it is, sit on it budaatum:That is why the subject of discussion requires a 3-legged stool of understanding, which are: 1) "What is God", 2) "what is god(s)" and 3) "compare & contrast God and god(s)" On uneven grounds, a three legged stool will always be stable a four legged stool wont, because it will always wobble The three legged stool has considered that a believer would not refer to their god with a small letter 'g' budaatum:God, is not a name or a title God, is not God's name, as Ogun, is the name of Yoruba's the god of war and iron nor as Sango and Amadioha, are the names of gods of lightning and thunder. God is not a title, as Adonai is. Adonai is one of God's titles Yahweh or YHWH actually isnt God's personal and definitive name delving into talking about God's name is beyond the scope of this thread and its "What is God" question, so lets leave that bit be budaatum:So what? When I take or write about Ogun, the god of war and iron or Sango and Amadioha, the gods of lightning and thunder, I capitalise their names too budaatum:What I wrote was that we live in a world of fantasy and reality, we have gods, that are human constructs, Meanwhile other gods, are just as like, all God is about, only that, these other gods, due to their essence(s), have their authority limited to each of the god(s)'s sphere of influence God and every god have spheres of power, influence, jurisdiction and authority budaatum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPnMAVZ0wUg Do you remember watching the above Chris Rock's "Never Scared" standup? Trust me, when for the sake of sheer having a Krispy Kreme doughnut, it comes down to being prepared and ready to suck someone's else d`ick, then Krispy Kreme doughnut right at that moment, has just got deified budaatum:No, my paddy mi, you're mistaken to perceive it as derogatory Calling you a nigger, is derogatory. but the claim for deification made of these things is not derogatory It is underogatory, just as the saying: "The fool says in his heart: There is no God", is not derogatory. The fool noun, in the preceded saying, is talking about lack of good judgement, that the person has made an unwise decision in regards a non-existence of God Nothing disrespectful in that, it is just an observational statement budaatum:They actually are known to do They actually are known to have made a god of it To the extent would do anything it takes, just to have a sip of the bottle of rum To the extent would do anything it takes, to come under the control and influence of the rum in the bottle To the extent would do anything it takes, to come under the power of the rum in the bottle 1 Like |
Re: What Is God? by butterflyl1on: 8:10am On Feb 22, 2018 |
budaatum: Definition of idolatry Alcoholics idolise alcohol or in this case, rum. To them it is a god. They do not have to literally call it a god but their actions towards it makes it a god. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Is God? by Emmanystone: 9:15am On Feb 22, 2018 |
budaatum:Meaning we are not having this conversation nau. If i ask a question which you feel are not obligated to answer, what then is the point of me getting into the convo. in the first place? No shakes anyways. I must not be part of your thread. |
Re: What Is God? by MuttleyLaff: 9:48am On Feb 22, 2018 |
budaatum: Emmanystone:Bud, how do you mean by the red text? What does it mean? |
Re: What Is God? by sonmvayina(m): 10:46am On Feb 22, 2018 |
God is the totality of the consciousness of the universe... The letter killeth......yes it does. 1 Like |
Re: What Is God? by MuttleyLaff: 10:54am On Feb 22, 2018 |
sonmvayina:Totally concur and why I liked this part sonmvayina:How do you mean with this? 1 Like |
Re: What Is God? by sonmvayina(m): 10:58am On Feb 22, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: The bible,enuma elish and all the written scripture are just parables, allegorical, esoteric stories....we are expected to read them and learn the spiritual message they contain... |
Re: What Is God? by sonmvayina(m): 11:04am On Feb 22, 2018 |
Trying to interpret the content of the stories is a fools route, cos all are stories are not based on actual historical events.. They are spiritual stories. |
Re: What Is God? by MuttleyLaff: 11:24am On Feb 22, 2018 |
sonmvayina:Give me a couple of examples of the spiritual messages they contain that we are expected to learn |
Re: What Is God? by sonmvayina(m): 11:51am On Feb 22, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: The story of Abraham and isaac is basically teaching you that God don't accept human sacrifice, but only animals and other crops,. The story of job teaches us that the devil is under the control of God and does only what God tells him to do, his duty is to obey the will of God. The story of jonah teaches that the only sacrifice acceptable to God is Obedience...if you are truly sorry for your sin and you make effort to turn away from it, he forgives you and remembers it no more. No human sacrifice is necessary or required... The revenge of the Amalikites...is talking about things that are important to us as humans..taking of the virgins(divine wisdom), gold (money) livestock (food) ...you need them even if your enemies has it. |
Re: What Is God? by MuttleyLaff: 12:06pm On Feb 22, 2018 |
sonmvayina:a bit contradictory this is. How come trying to get an interpretation of the contents are a fools route? Was there not an Adam? Wasn't there somewhat historical things and/or events that actually happened that got the world and its inhabitants to where it or they found themselves/itself? 1 Like |
Re: What Is God? by MuttleyLaff: 12:22pm On Feb 22, 2018 |
sonmvayina:What about the story of Adam, Eve, the serpent and the outside influence, what completely is that teaching? What is the significance of the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil? Seems we are veering off the subject(s) of discussion though |
Re: What Is God? by sonmvayina(m): 1:36pm On Feb 22, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: No, no....there was no. Adam neither was there eve or a talking snake..the genesis account of creation is not the only neither is it the first. The Enuma ELISH is/was the first as far as record goes and shows. It proceeds the genesis accounts by thousands of years.. It details how marduk created the universe from the remains of tiamat...how he created humans by making moulds and calling other spirits to get in the moulds, and him cutting his head and pouring his blood on the moulds so the humans can share in his divinity... It is from it that Ezra...got the information he used in writing the book of the law( genesis to deutromomy) It also details how lucifer(inanna) rose herself to the pantheon..how she became marduks enemy... It is quite interesting if you are spiritually inclined.. There should be a soft version on the Internet.. 1 Like |
Re: What Is God? by budaatum: 1:44pm On Feb 22, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:The question I posed was "What is God?" And being the cautious one I sometimes am, it was biased, if at all, towards those to whose version of 'g' I used. I could have used a small 'g' after all, as would be my tendency, but I chose a big G. It was asking for people's views, so how can I not be minding their distinctions, which I am asking for? The question is straightforward. It is not some test with only one answer, least not as far as I am concerned. It is just to seek peoples opinions and views, after all, we do have Muslims, Christians, Jehovah Witnesses, Catholics, Atheists, Deists, Pagans, Pastafarians and all other sorts on here with diverse opinions and views about gods. I think you putting legs on the stool introduced bias, and that the question was fair as initially put. People would have legged their stool as they saw fit, but you have introduced a number of legs that may not describe everyone's stool. The question, as initially posed, makes no assumptions and allows the individual to respond as they see fit, putting as many legs on their stool as they understand it to have. If you consider rum or cream cakes to be god, albeit to some, you are allowed to say so when you respond to the question. |
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