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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 6:18pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
CapitalCee:Who bought Pogba? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 6:25pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
eph12: [ author=eph12 post=65643554] Who bought Pogba? [/quote] you are trying so hard to blame the manager, while exonerating the players. Ok he is at fault. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 6:39pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
CapitalCee:Where did I exonerate the player? Last season I was on Pogba's case. If you employ a digger you will see my posts on this. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 6:55pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
United's matter has been sort of a dilemma. Most people blame the coach, others say the players are at fault. But something is definitely wron somewhere. I for one, think the coach should take majority of the blame, although the players cannot be totally exonerated. The defensive frailties were there at the beginning of the season when we were bamboozling other teams with four goals. We have lacked the tenacity to press before Mou came and we still don't know how to press. I'm talking about the kind of pressing Liverpool gave City at Anfield. It's not only about escorting the opponents and blocking spaces (which we're poor at), you have to get a bit closer and make tackles, you know, kick the ball out of their feet. We hardly do this. Our good defensive record was achieved by pilling up bodies behind the ball, which kills the attack. With more mobility we will defend better and attack better. And although Fergie did set up his team to defend sometimes against top opposition, the response and counter attacks after minutes of defense were always brilliant and usually covered for the minutes watching your team defend. It isn't the same with Mourinho. And the truth is that he does set up his team to defend against even lesser oppositions. Maybe Mourinho is bent on building a special type of team or maybe he's simply senile, I don't know. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 7:01pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
Let's blame the team. Let's blame Val, Smalling, Lindeloff, Young, Mats, Pogba, Matic, Sanchez, Martial, Lingard, Rashford, Lukaku, who else? Everyone is bad, let's change all of them. The John Does at Westbrom Stoke Newcastle Crystal are far better than our players so we can't afford to attack them. Counter is the best way to play Swansea, it's how Jose has been winning his trophies. That was fun ![]() |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 7:09pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 7:14pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
eph12: DON'T YOU DARE INSULT THE DEFENSIVE MASTERCLASSES!!! ![]() ![]() |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 7:17pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
eph12: [img]https://media1./images/90b8ca520b7c1f416d0ad4490d67179c/tenor.gif?itemid=4816126[/img] [img]https://media1./images/4f3dbea7c0091f07884f643369f00606/tenor.gif?itemid=3439367[/img] 4 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 7:18pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
eph12: you are correct she. the manager have to motivate the players. That's his job. Sometimes it will be me like I should go in there and land pogba a dirty slap. we all know what he can do. but he just don't care. look at Lukaku, Lingard, Valencia, DDG even smalling . some of them may lack the talent. but they put in their best. I have problem with Pogba and sadly Martial in this regard, they esp. Pogba plays for his selfish inteest |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 7:33pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
No one is trying to exonerate Mou here or defending him but if you can't see past your bias for Mou and analysis a team yoy watch week in week out then I don't think there's any other reason to continue this discourse. There's no where in planet earth you could blame a manager for his players being unable to trap a ball or pass a simple through ball. live football is not pes18 where you have the remote control and control where your players pass too. haba, tone down on this criticism biko. It's !better we know when to appropriate blame to the manager or the players. When you see other team players giving in their best in whatever position they are deployed, once Mou tries that shit, our players begins to sulk and play shit upandown and you start hearing why can't Mou play him here or there or here. Mou is always the problem, the players are perfectly fine. eph12, can you please provide us with stats that proof that we are parking the bus against lesser opponents, I mean show us the stats to show that we park the bus against Newcastle, Swansea and the likes. I'm waiting. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 7:40pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
Sigh. It's complicated.. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 7:46pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
CapitalCee: Did Fergie play counter attack against teams like Swansea? Who purchased Sanchez?, is he not a fighter? In need of ruthless finishers, then went on to purchase Lukaku, oh well. Who purchased Pogba and Lindelof? I'm going to be as transparent as possible, all these blame game makes no sense again, Mou has always been a defensive coach and he will not change it because that's what brought him to his managerial level in soccer, only issue is that things are evolving and some tactics aren't producing as much as before. Even Barca's (a.k.a Spain 2010) famous tiki taka was exposed by Pep himself when City beat Barca 3-1, other teams will naturally look to lock up against Barca and let them have the ball but Pep made his players mark Pique and Co from the goal kick spot so as to force costly mistakes from them. Don't see this as praising Pep o!, i'm only showing how much things are evolving so much that even tiki taka now has some sort of counter tactics. In my opinion, i think it's a rebellion given Mou's record with the lockerroom or the overpaid players. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 7:49pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
Leyqute: Bro, nothing is complicated here, both our managers and players deserve any stick they get though to me Mou will take 60% of the blame while the players get 40% of the blame. There's one thing to have a game plan, it's another thing for the players to execute the game plan. I think we just by default that we park the bus, it's like a reoccurring theme here that needs to be addressed. Yes we do park the bus in some match and that's down to Mou but saying we park the bus against even lower opposition is a fallacy. Our players being lazy did not start today, even under the great Sir Alex, we employ this same tactics of zonal marking, we have never been known as a team that does ghen ghen pressing so it's not like it started with Mou. The fallacy that must be put to bed is that we park the bus against lower opposition. Heck we had 64% possession against Newcastle (the one we lost) so how can we have that high possession if we park the bus. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 7:54pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
Against Swansea when we won 4 nil 59% possession 17 shots 8 shots on target How did we park the bus or play conservative against Swansea. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 8:07pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
Larride, do you think the possesion vs Crystal Palace after you went down 2-0 was the same as when the game was 0-0 I can bet, you dominated possesion more the time you went behind and were trying to win the game? When you need goals Mourinho usually make the team dominate possession vs when the team didnt need goals e.g vs Southampton that you won 1-0 Lukaku scored in the 22nd min and possession stats showed it was Southampton 61% Man Utd 39% Find games you scored early and see the possesion stats or if you can get games the possesion when you were trailing vs when you were level or leading So the question now is WHy wait until you are trailing before attacking and dominating possession 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 8:10pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
Larride I never said we parked the bus against smaller teams. This is what I said. Pay attention to the highlighted. eph12: |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 8:22pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
@Dayo, don't be mischievous abeg. We all know that not all teams play football at the same pace, some team prefer slow build up play especially against teams that park the bus, you have to be patient and just build play slowly until an opening comes and you take it. Check most of our match with the lesser teams and you will see that most tactics they employ is to hit us with counter whenever they have the ball, they quickly run at us whenever they have the ball and since we are not known as a team that does ghen ghen pressing that's why most people think that we are always being conservative against lesser opponent but that's not the case. Even during Fergie days, you see them slow the tempo of the match so has to control the match. That we don't attack until we go behind is a big lie which the hatred for Mou from among some section of our fans has bought it hook, line and sinker. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 8:24pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
eph12: Unless you want to tell me you were sleeping when you type this, then I guess you have to proof it. Where re the stats that we park the bus or we didn't attack when we play Westbrom, stoke, Newcastle and the likes. I'm waiting. Some fallacy needs to be bare open. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ToyinDipo(m): 8:28pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
The team only needs one person to lead and coordinate the midfield and every other player will be sorted. Jose thought Pogba was a player he could mould into another Lampard, however he was wrong. Pogba has huge talent, but little intelligence. That's why De Bruyne will always be far ahead of him, even though he is less talented than Pogba Intelligent players are ones that can make impact, even when the game is not going the team's way or theirs, just like Messi It seems someone told Jose, if he claims to make Lampard, then he should make another Frank, but Pogba will never be that player. Because I can't see what his initial obsession with Pogba is. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by funlord(m): 8:33pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
Seconded: "I think Liverpool and United both want to finish in the top four but we both want to finish second, so I think it is a big game, and then we have the Sevilla knockout and Brighton knockout games to come so we have three important matches coming up at Old Trafford. "If possible, we should give some tickets to the all the United fans that were [at Selhurst Park]. They were great and we need the most passionate fans with us at this crucial time" Jose mourinho............MUTV |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 8:35pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
larride: You think this is mischievious? 39% possesion vs Southampton just because you scored early our pace of play does not determine possesion, Barcelona of uardiola played at slow pace This City play at fast pace both dominate possesion http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41290316 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 8:38pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
Too brain drained to read epistles at the moment, buh I'm sure we all are clamouring for improvement no matter how our opinions differ! #GGMU 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 8:38pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
raumdeuter: How did we score in the first place if we don't attack until we go behind? I don't seems to understand you my big egbon. Newcastle that defeated us 1 nil that everyone said we couldn't go out and attack had 39% possession also. Explain that. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by larride(m): 8:40pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
elrony: That's it. we all wants improvement in the team but it is criminal to think or say that Mou is the architect of all our woes. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 8:41pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
jose is shit, jose is dis jose is dat, Liverpool with ghen ghen pressing behind Jose's park de bus united and are trophyless for 3seasons now, Tottenham with genius poch that destroyed madrid and juve behind Jose's park de bus and are trophyless for how many seasons now?? but of course jose is shit, he parks de bus every now and then against the sotons nd eyinmbas of dis world, doesn't know how to attack and is a coward at least no matter the tears, e no fit still develop wings fly go u.k ![]() 7 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 8:43pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
larride: Why we want to blame the manager rightly for some tactical approach deployed, the players too deserve a portion of blame as well for some shiity performances we witness on match days. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 8:43pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
larride: That a team scored does not mean they were dominating play. Thats why the term "against the run of play" came from and counter attacks Newcastle is a defensive team that came for a draw, the moment they were fortunate to get a goal all their attacking ambitions died and they were glad to leave possession for Man Utd. Man Utd also at that time realized they needed to attack and score 2 goals so they ramped up possesion If there is a way to see the stats, Check your possesion stats before Newcastle scored and after they scored and you became desperate |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 8:43pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
weedtaker: You don change dealer? ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elrony(m): 8:45pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
Rooting for Spurs! !! They better not bottle it!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 8:46pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
weedtaker: How much is spurs wage bill compared to Man Utd
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by TalabiAudu: 8:46pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 9:08pm On Mar 07, 2018 |
larride:You don't notice a difference in our play when we are on trouble? |
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