timifakay:





https://www.nairaland.com/4368727/how-cars-45-ripped-us#65383668



You are such an incorrigible liar.

By the way, W12 means 12 cylinder engine in a 'W' configuration.

Read well before you spew rubbish. The first corolla they saw was 2012 and they saw 2009 written on the belt and they moved on. The one he now choose was a 2011 corolla and he did not say he checked to comfirm the date. If you need glasses, i can send one to you because you are in need of one. There was a story on front page about a guy who gives all the details about a car before you buy and people were praising him and meanwhile the craps you call cars are also being documented by cars45 and una say na scam. All you guys could say is scam. Why did the car not overheat when they drove off with the car? How long did the car stay with them before it overheated? This is envy. This cars45 brought new ideas that is a solution in the industry. Bring yours and lets see what solutions that you are providing.

Fellow Nigerians, this is an excellent example of how fraud is now socially acceptable.

EgunMogaji:
Fellow Nigerians, this is an excellent example of how fraud is now socially acceptable.

Bros hmmmm. Why does Gazzuzz render pre inspection service to would be buyers? To save them from deceitful dealers. If I buy a Nigerian used car from you and you told me that you have been servicing it at Elizade and you have no service history to show, and I in turn sells the car as I bought it from you without any repairs but documenting every issue good or bad with the car for the buyer to be iinfomed and he choose to ignore it, is that fraud? Can you go to Berger and buy toks without a mechanic? So why cry over a car you bought naija used without a mechanic? Autojosh has been writing rubbish in the past but this time he got it right. His question is can Cars45 buy your car in 45 minutes? No one has sold to them and everyone is using the other thread to judge them. They buy a naija used car with severe poor maintenance and sell without repairing it. They have never told the seller that they will pay them after they sell the car, no, they pay cash. Bring a better solution and if you dont have, give them the credit.

helpishere:


Read well before you spew rubbish. The first corolla they saw was 2012 and they saw 2009 written on the belt and they moved on. The one he now choose was a 2011 corolla and he did not say he checked to comfirm the date. If you need glasses, i can send one to you because you are in need of one. There was a story on front page about a guy who gives all the details about a car before you buy and people were praising him and meanwhile the craps you call cars are also being documented by cars45 and una say na scam. All you guys could say is scam. Why did the car not overheat when they drove off with the car? How long did the car stay with them before it overheated? This is envy. This cars45 brought new ideas that is a solution in the industry. Bring yours and lets see what solutions that you are providing.

Let me answer your questions. The car cars45 sold as 2011, drivers seat belt didn't carry the year ( I guess they removed/cleared it)
The car did not overheat while we were driving it home because like I said the battery was jump started the petrol was low so we didnt put on the air conditioner.
We bought the car on Wednesday, uber guy took on sunday called us on tuesday about the over heating, and we sold it back to them 2weeks after. In all less than 3weeks after purchase. Without driving it most of those days.
Let us stop fueling deception in this country, let us stop this dog eat dog situation!!!

You know what the new buyer told Dh recently.?
"I am finished"

helpishere:

Bros hmmmm. Why does Gazzuzz render pre inspection service to would be buyers? To save them from deceitful dealers. If I buy a Nigerian used car from you and you told me that you have been servicing it at Elizade and you have no service history to show, and I in turn sells the car as I bought it from you without any repairs but documenting every issue good or bad with the car for the buyer to be iinfomed and he choose to ignore it, is that fraud? Can you go to Berger and buy toks without a mechanic? So why cry over a car you bought naija used without a mechanic? Autojosh has been writing rubbish in the past but this time he got it right. His question is can Cars45 buy your car in 45 minutes? No one has sold to them and everyone is using the other thread to judge them. They buy a naija used car with severe poor maintenance and sell without repairing it. They have never told the seller that they will pay them after they sell the car, no, they pay cash. Bring a better solution and if you dont have, give them the credit.

The report cars45 give to buyer is different from the one given to sellers, that is one of the lies told. And Dh is not a novice in buying cars, only this time it was a well package lie by a big company. I will advise people who worked hard for their money to stay away from this scam.

It’s shocking to see anyone supporting this fraudulent company.

But I’m glad that we’re having this discussion because it keeps the name bubbling at the top so unsuspecting buyers can read all about it.

helpishere:


Read well before you spew rubbish. The first corolla they saw was 2012 and they saw 2009 written on the belt and they moved on. The one he now choose was a 2011 corolla and he did not say he checked to comfirm the date. If you need glasses, i can send one to you because you are in need of one. There was a story on front page about a guy who gives all the details about a car before you buy and people were praising him and meanwhile the craps you call cars are also being documented by cars45 and una say na scam. All you guys could say is scam. Why did the car not overheat when they drove off with the car? How long did the car stay with them before it overheated? This is envy. This cars45 brought new ideas that is a solution in the industry. Bring yours and lets see what solutions that you are providing.

Yes, I do use glasses, my lense is -2. Do you need pictures of preferred frame and delivery address?
Why is it so hard for you to assimilate that the buyer checked and included it in her report that one vehicle's manufacture date on the report was different from what was on the seat belt while the other couldn't be found. As against your claim that the buyer didn't check. Right now, I'm wondering if we read the same post.

timifakay:


Yes, I do use glasses, my lense is -2. Do you need pictures of preferred frame and delivery address?
Why is it so hard for you to assimilate that the buyer checked and included it in her report that one vehicle's manufacture date on the report was different from what was on the seat belt while the other couldn't be found. As against your claim that the buyer didn't check. Right now, I'm wondering if we read the same post.

Leave the guy jare...he’s on a frolic of his own...I won’t be surprised if he operates the same fraudulent way. Why on earth will we envy Cars45? Why will I envy the ways of fraudsters?
I have sold a couple of cars and I didn’t even put any of ‘em up for sale on this platform.
Instead of him, to read and assimilate properly...he’s here throwing insults..

Alvin007:


Leave the guy jare...he’s on a frolic of his own...I won’t be surprised if he operates the same fraudulent way. Why on earth will we envy Cars45? Why will I envy the ways of fraudsters?
I have sold a couple of cars and I didn’t even put any of ‘em up for sale on this platform.
Instead of him, to read and assimilate properly...he’s here throwing insults..

It’s just an insult to OPs injury.

Alvin007:


Leave the guy jare...he’s on a frolic of his own...I won’t be surprised if he operates the same fraudulent way. Why on earth will we envy Cars45? Why will I envy the ways of fraudsters?
I have sold a couple of cars and I didn’t even put any of ‘em up for sale on this platform.
Instead of him, to read and assimilate properly...he’s here throwing insults..

LOL
I guess he's working for his pay.

Calm down everyone, we are here to learn from each other.

Hayastark:


Let me answer your questions. The car cars45 sold as 2011, drivers seat belt didn't carry the year ( I guess the cleaned it)
The car did not overheat while we were driving it home because like I said the battery was jump started the petrol was low so we didnt put the air conditioner.
We bought the car on Wednesday, uber guy took on sunday called us on tuesday about the over heating, and we sold it back to them 2weeks after. In all less than 3weeks after purchase. Without driving it most of those days.
Let us stop fueling deception in this country, let us stop this dog eat dog situation!!!

Between wednesday and sunday the car never overheated but there were activities going on in the car because you bought new battery and fuel but you never added water or coolant on a car that has been sitting idle in a car lot for months. If Dh knows about cars, he could be able to detect if it was rightie or leftie but because of the beauty, you were carried away and forgot to crosscheck a 1.6m investment. Did you check the water level all the while the car was with you before they called you that it was overheating? Is there a warranty on a naija used car and who dare gives that? Cars45 is an initiative to provide solutions to a problem that no one could resolve. Before in every nook and corner, you will find crap cars being offered for sale and some will rot away while waiting for buyers but the solution these guys provided has practically eliminated the ugly scenario. If they repair the cars they buy from Nigerians before selling them, then we say that they are fraudulent but they sell the cars as they buy and in the same condition that they bought it, they sell with documentation of the faults. Can anyone beat that?

helpishere:
Calm down everyone, we are here to learn from each other.


Between wednesday and sunday the car never overheated but there were activities going on in the car because you bought new battery and fuel but you never added water or coolant on a car that has been sitting idle in a car lot for months. If Dh knows about cars, he could be able to detect if it was rightie or leftie but because of the beauty, you were carried away and forgot to crosscheck a 1.6m investment. Did you check the water level all the while the car was with you before they called you that it was overheating? Is there a warranty on a naija used car and who dare gives that? Cars45 is an initiative to provide solutions to a problem that no one could resolve. Before in every nook and corner, you will find crap cars being offered for sale and some will rot away while waiting for buyers but the solution these guys provided has practically eliminated the ugly scenario. If they repair the cars they buy from Nigerians before selling them, then we say that they are fraudulent but they sell the cars as they buy and in the same condition that they bought it, they sell with documentation of the faults. Can anyone beat that?

This is not the first or most espensive car we were buying so we can never be carried away. And to answer your questions, sitting in our compound are cars that we drive and take care of so we cannot be stupid enough not to know what to do concerning car fluid.
The scam here is, cars 45 is a deceptive well packaged big company it is possible for a buyer to trust them and their report. That is what I am trying to expose by posting this, not your sympathy

Thank you my G. So that same car is also sold in the same state they bought the car. I was told that they always tell the buyers to come with their mechanics when coming for inspection. Who would even buy a naija used without a mechanic first inspecting the car.

Hayastark:

This is not the first or most espensive car we were buying so we can never be carried away. And to answer your questions, sitting in our compound are cars that we drive and take care of so we cannot be stupid enough not to know what to do concerning car fluid.
The scam here is, cars 45 is a deceptive well packaged big company it is possible for a buyer to trust them and their report. That is what I am trying to expose by posting this, not your sympathy

And what happened to you is a classic scam.

GAZZUZZ:
Problem with cars45 is they don't know how to buy a good car.

They do not employ the right skills for vehicle inspection.

I know an individual who got a good deal by selling a problematic car to them. But because it looked good on the outside and the engine sounded nice they jumped at it.

You need more than 45mins to buy a good car.

I’ll disagree with you on that.

Are you familiar with CarMax.Com?

They are copying the CarMax concept but with a major exception.

Not all cars can be sold retail. Some should be sold wholesale to other dealers and mechanics who will refurbish them prior to sale.

My intervention in this matter has made cars45 to agree to come to our radio program this afternoon and talk about their services. Tune in by 3.06pm this afternoon on radio 1 103.5 fm on autowatch on radio

AutoJoshNG:


I have been getting a couple of phone calls from people who ask about the authenticity of Cars45. They ask questions like: Will they pay me? Will my car be safe? Will they buy at a good price? Are they genuine? A man from Ibadan even asked if they would not elope with his car.

So I decided to write this review about Cars45 for those who would like to know a little about the Company.

Cars45 was founded in 2016 by Etop Ikpe (Former commercial director of Konga and former CEO of DealDey) with Iyamu Mohammed, Sujay Tyle and Peter Lindholm as co-founders. The company was established to help Nigerian car users reduce difficulties of selling their used cars and they have been doing a good job at that. They even got a N1.8 billion ($5million) funding last year.. so they probably won’t run away with your N2million car.

Their head office is located at Agidingbi, Lagos with 23 branches in Lagos, 5 in Abuja and 1 office in Port Harcourt. They are obviously the foremost car selling and auctioning platform for Nigerian used cars.

At the moment, Cars45 is the most reliable and quickest way to sell your Nigerian used car. Some of the advantages they offer are:

1) You don’t have to park your car on the road side with a “For Sale” Jerrycan on it for 3 months, all in the name of “I want to sell my car”

2) Car sellers are usually scared that prospective buyers can driver away in their car or even plant a tracking device and come steal the car in the middle of the night.

3) You get your entire sales proceed as soon as all the vehicle documents are verified. There is no “please let me pay 70% now and pay the balance next month”.

4) No buyer will come wage war against you that they shouldn’t have bought your car in the first place because they are now having problems with it. Cars45 would have done a thorough check before buying your car.

5) The company links you and your car with several buyers (mostly car dealers) through their car auction platform.. just like Copart and IAAI car auctions in USA.



Despite the company’s robust profile as well as the benefits they offer, the most valid question that runs through the mind of an average car seller is, will they buy my car at a good price? Well, the answer to the question is determined by many variables, which may be revealed during the inspection process. These include:

1) The car has been involved in a major accident in the past. Sadly, many cars on Nigerian roads fall in this category as they were imported as salvaged cars from USA auctions.

2) Incomplete documentation especially if the car does not have genuine import duty papers.

3) Poor maintenance.

4) Some high-end cars with low demand might be grossly undervalued. Note that the price they will pay for your car is largely determined by forces of demand and supply.

5) Don’t even think of selling your unregistered tokunbo car through them. It’s not Berger car market so you’ll hardly get a good price.

After selling some cars through Cars45 and sampling the opinion of some of their clients, it was easy to conclude that their prices are moderate and fair. Note, their prices are usually not meant for people who want to cash in big time when selling their cars. For example, I sold a 3-year-old 2012 Toyota Camry through Car45 in December 2017. I was compelled to patronize the company because I wasn’t getting any good offer after putting the car on the market for a month. I had posted the car advert on 4 different car sale websites, I also pasted a “For Sale” sticker on it and even parked it at a friend’s car lot in Victoria Island but no serious leads came forth. I was willing to sell for N3.2m but no buyer. I got on Cars45’s website, checked the car's proposed valuation, booked an appointment and dashed to their office to inspect the vehicle. Sadly, the inspection and processing took longer than the advertised 45 minutes, but I was pacified with a N3million offer after my 2 hours ordeal. A reasonable price to pay to end my month long search for a buyer.

In conclusion, Car45 will buy your car at a moderate and fair price, which will not make you an instant millionaire as most of us would have wanted. They also buy or help you sell your car within the fastest time in Nigeria but is it actually in 45 minutes as they’ve always advertised? I doubt because the 1 or 2 vehicle inspectors at their branches can easily get overwhelmed causing delay and the branch office also have slow internet to contend with as bulk of their processes are transmitted online to and from their head office.

Tell us your experience with Cars45 in the comment section.

https://autojosh.com/cars45-actually-sell-car-45-minutes-autojosh/

Lalasticlala
Mynd44
Ishilove
Marpol
Semid4lyfe
Obinoscopy
Seun

Nice one Autojosh.... You've talked immensely well about this company...
I respect your deep research so much. Even with the short but well said history of Cars45. You even know more about the history and processes than some of their staffs.
Thanks..
N.B: You have trouble selling your cars? You can sell your car to us hassle free with no fear of getting paid.
Log on to www.cars45.com to book an appointment with us and get a prevalue of your car.
Signed:
Gbenga Kayode

ohluwagbemigaju:

Nice one Autojosh.... You've talked immensely well about this company...
I respect your deep research so much. Even with the short but well said history of Cars45. You even know more about the history and processes than some of their staffs.
Thanks..
N.B: You have trouble selling your cars? You can sell your car to us hassle free with no fear of getting paid.
Log on to www.cars45.com to book an appointment with us and get a prevalue of your car.
Signed:
Gbenga Kayode

Have you reached out to this person that felt your company defrauded her?

https://www.nairaland.com/4368727/how-cars-45-ripped-us

@egunmogaji... Thanks for the link to the thread.
I just read thru the post. One thing outsiders failed to understand is that: cars45 only buy cars, we don't sell cars. Only our registered dealers sell out their already purchased cars to end users. In this case,
some dealers hide some valid reports on the inspected cars just to have their way selling this vehicle.
Feedbacks like this has helped us to checkmate and cut off some perpetrators who soiled the company's name thru their selfish act. Many have been blacklisted in the last two months.
Thanks.

EgunMogaji:


Have you reached out to this person that felt your company defrauded her?

https://www.nairaland.com/4368727/how-cars-45-ripped-us

AutoJoshNG:


I have been getting a couple of phone calls from people who ask about the authenticity of Cars45. They ask questions like: Will they pay me? Will my car be safe? Will they buy at a good price? Are they genuine? A man from Ibadan even asked if they would not elope with his car.

So I decided to write this review about Cars45 for those who would like to know a little about the Company.

Cars45 was founded in 2016 by Etop Ikpe (Former commercial director of Konga and former CEO of DealDey) with Iyamu Mohammed, Sujay Tyle and Peter Lindholm as co-founders. The company was established to help Nigerian car users reduce difficulties of selling their used cars and they have been doing a good job at that. They even got a N1.8 billion ($5million) funding last year.. so they probably won’t run away with your N2million car.

Their head office is located at Agidingbi, Lagos with 23 branches in Lagos, 5 in Abuja and 1 office in Port Harcourt. They are obviously the foremost car selling and auctioning platform for Nigerian used cars.

At the moment, Cars45 is the most reliable and quickest way to sell your Nigerian used car. Some of the advantages they offer are:

1) You don’t have to park your car on the road side with a “For Sale” Jerrycan on it for 3 months, all in the name of “I want to sell my car”

2) Car sellers are usually scared that prospective buyers can driver away in their car or even plant a tracking device and come steal the car in the middle of the night.

3) You get your entire sales proceed as soon as all the vehicle documents are verified. There is no “please let me pay 70% now and pay the balance next month”.

4) No buyer will come wage war against you that they shouldn’t have bought your car in the first place because they are now having problems with it. Cars45 would have done a thorough check before buying your car.

5) The company links you and your car with several buyers (mostly car dealers) through their car auction platform.. just like Copart and IAAI car auctions in USA.



Despite the company’s robust profile as well as the benefits they offer, the most valid question that runs through the mind of an average car seller is, will they buy my car at a good price? Well, the answer to the question is determined by many variables, which may be revealed during the inspection process. These include:

1) The car has been involved in a major accident in the past. Sadly, many cars on Nigerian roads fall in this category as they were imported as salvaged cars from USA auctions.

2) Incomplete documentation especially if the car does not have genuine import duty papers.

3) Poor maintenance.

4) Some high-end cars with low demand might be grossly undervalued. Note that the price they will pay for your car is largely determined by forces of demand and supply.

5) Don’t even think of selling your unregistered tokunbo car through them. It’s not Berger car market so you’ll hardly get a good price.

After selling some cars through Cars45 and sampling the opinion of some of their clients, it was easy to conclude that their prices are moderate and fair. Note, their prices are usually not meant for people who want to cash in big time when selling their cars. For example, I sold a 3-year-old 2012 Toyota Camry through Car45 in December 2017. I was compelled to patronize the company because I wasn’t getting any good offer after putting the car on the market for a month. I had posted the car advert on 4 different car sale websites, I also pasted a “For Sale” sticker on it and even parked it at a friend’s car lot in Victoria Island but no serious leads came forth. I was willing to sell for N3.2m but no buyer. I got on Cars45’s website, checked the car's proposed valuation, booked an appointment and dashed to their office to inspect the vehicle. Sadly, the inspection and processing took longer than the advertised 45 minutes, but I was pacified with a N3million offer after my 2 hours ordeal. A reasonable price to pay to end my month long search for a buyer.

In conclusion, Car45 will buy your car at a moderate and fair price, which will not make you an instant millionaire as most of us would have wanted. They also buy or help you sell your car within the fastest time in Nigeria but is it actually in 45 minutes as they’ve always advertised? I doubt because the 1 or 2 vehicle inspectors at their branches can easily get overwhelmed causing delay and the branch office also have slow internet to contend with as bulk of their processes are transmitted online to and from their head office.

Tell us your experience with Cars45 in the comment section.

https://autojosh.com/cars45-actually-sell-car-45-minutes-autojosh/

Lalasticlala
Mynd44
Ishilove
Marpol
Semid4lyfe
Obinoscopy
Seun

Such a lovely write up.... you have said all that is needed for someone to understand how Car45 operates. This is a company that has come to stay in Nigeria saving you all the stress and troubles of buying Nigerian used cars.

ohluwagbemigaju:
@egunmogaji... Thanks for the link to the thread.
I just read thru the post. One thing outsiders failed to understand is that: cars45 only buy cars, we don't sell cars. Only our registered dealers sell out their already purchased cars to end users. In this case,
some dealers hide some valid reports on the inspected cars just to have their way selling this vehicle.
Feedbacks like this has helped us to checkmate and cut off some perpetrators who soiled the company's name thru their selfish act. Many have been blacklisted in the last two months.
Thanks.

What do you do with bought cars smoke it?
And why are the cars in you yards
Lie lie people !!!#

AutoJosh’s take on the issue between Hayastark and Cars45 which has been trending on Nairaland is rather late but better than never.

I absolutely agree that a fraud was committed which is disheartening. Car buyers in Nigeria are frequently susceptible to deception; this is what always prompts me to write and publish several articles that can help protect the next victim from being preyed upon. Some of these articles can be found at the end of this post.

After reading through Hayastark’s thread again on Wednesday (7th of March), I decided to contact her to get some more details and lend support. As usual, unfounded conclusions had been jumped into and name-calling had become the order of her Nairaland thread.

The first thing I did that morning was to send a mail to Hayastark asking for permission to talk to her, make more findings and escalate the issue as much as possible. I stated my phone number in the mail and confirmed to her that I was not in anyway related to Cars45 as the objective of my car blog is to provide valuable information about cars to existing and potential car users in Nigeria.

She responded thanking me for my interest and said she already shared every detail online and will not talk to anyone except Cars45 if that will make her get the money back.


On Thursday morning, I decided to contact Cars45 since Hayastark was not forthcoming. I placed a call to their customer care number but it was a bad idea because they only depleted my airtime for nothing. All I got over the phone was that, I was not calling for my transaction and they could not attend to me. After that call, I sent a message to them on Twitter and a response came back with a phone number to call in no time.

After introducing myself to the Cars45’s staff, I went straight to my questions and she gave the following answers:

1. AutoJosh: Have you seen the fraud allegation leveled against your company on Nairaland?
Cars45’s staff: Yes

2. AutoJosh: Does Cars45 sell cars to individuals?
Cars45 : No

3. AutoJosh: Who sold the car to the client?
Cars45: A dealer, as Cars45 does not sell to individuals.

4. AutoJosh: Can I get the inspection reports of the car?
Cars45: Yes.

5. AutoJosh: Was the car converted from Right to Left-Hand-Drive?
Cars45: No

6. AutoJosh: Did the aggrieved client escalate the issue directly to Cars45?
Cars45: No, We only saw it on Nairaland

7. AutoJosh: I’d like to visit the place the car was sold to her.
Cars45: Okay. Not a problem

8. AutoJosh: Is tomorrow (Friday) okay for the visit?
Cars45: No, because we have an event tomorrow and I’ll be busy all day. Can we do Monday?

9. AutoJosh: Monday is far I replied. Can we make it today, which is Thursday?
Cars45: Okay, let’s do 4pm but call at 3pm to confirm I will be available



My colleague and myself got to their Head Office at Agidingbi, Ikeja, Lagos around 4:30 pm and met with 2 of their staff. We started with most of the questions I already asked over the phone, then we were debriefed on how Cars45 operates.

How Cars45 Operates

You walk into Cars45 to sell your vehicle, they inspect it, then upload images and details on their bid platform where about 1,000 car dealers have access to bid on it. The dealers can make a purchase using the “Bid” or “Buy Now” option. The bid lasts for 30 minutes and prices are determined by 3 major factors, market demand, availability of parts and condition of the vehicle.

Cars45 pays the seller immediately the bid is done. The dealer that won the bid is expected to pay Cars45 and pick up the vehicle within 72 hours. There is also a “Lockdown Program” where the dealers only pay 30% of the value of the vehicle after the bid and pays the balance of 70% at a later date or after the dealer has sold the vehicle.

Each vehicle comes with a 200-point inspection report, Auto Reg report as well as custom import duty report.

The company is currently introducing a “Merchant Program” where individuals can become merchants and earn commissions when they refer buyers to the dealers. These merchants will eventually be supported with N5 million start-up funds to help them become dealers as well. This N5 million grant will be in partnership with Lagos State Employment Trust Fund.



Carsbazr



Now done at their Head Office, we took a short drive to their car sales lot, called Carsbazr. We were escorted by one of the two staff that welcomed us earlier and the following findings were made at the Carsbazr, which is the same place Hayastark bought her car.

1. The Carsbazr car lot has notice boards on the premises notifying prospective car buyers of the following:

- End users cannot buy directly from Carsbazr
- All cars can only be bought through dealers.
- You can bring your technician for double verification.
- Always ensure you request for and go through car reports.

See image below..



2. Buyers only relate with the dealers. They negotiate with the dealers and pay to the dealers. The Carsbazr car lot was made available to dealers for two major reasons. The first reason is, some of them don’t have adequate space to park the cars they’ve won. While the second reason is, some partake in the Cars45 “Lockdown Program”.

3. The car sales lot is actually not dark. These photos below were snapped around 5:30pm and no artificial brightness was added.



4. The vehicles in the lot have detailed history reports. Most of the vehicles had a printed summary of their problems pasted on the windshields. They also used inscriptions with white chalk stating the problems on some of the vehicles. See the green arrows below.



5. Cars45 could not provide the inspection reports of the car in question because they were yet to receive a complaint from Hayastark. So they didn’t have some vital details, which would facilitate their investigation. e.g Name of the client, name of the dealer, registration number of the car, chassis number and the centre the car was sold.

6. There is also a possibility that the dealer presented fake documents or deceived Hayastark in order to sell the car to her. However, this cannot be ascertained until the requested documents are reviewed. Pending that, I was told that Cars45 is currently clamping down the dealers in a bid to investigate the issue and other fraudulent acts.

7. Buyers are not allowed to do a test drive due to the lockdown program and security breaches from car buyers in the past.

8. I asked if it was the same dealer that sold the car to both buyers but the company was yet to determine that.



After the meeting with Cars45, I sent the mail below to Hayastark on Thursday Night.

Good evening, This is Tunde again from AutoJosh. I will like to schedule an appointment for us to meet with you and Cars45 in a bid to investigate and resolve this issue.

Kindly give us a feedback on how we can make this happen.

Regards.



Around12 noon the next day (Friday), I sent another mail as seen below to Hayastark since there was no response from her.

Good morning, I still await your response.

Pending your feedback, I’ll like to clarify some things.

1. How did you find out about the yard you bought the car from? Were you referred there from a Cars45 office or a car dealer took you there from their independent car lot?

2. Who attended to you at the yard? Was it a Cars45 staff or the dealer?

3. While the transaction was going on, did you believe you were buying the car from Cars45 or from the dealer who took you to the yard?

4. Did you pay the funds used to purchase the car into Cars45’s bank account or into the dealers account?

5. Do you believe the person that attended to you fraudulently provided a fake inspection report or you believe the deception was from Cars45?

6. Will you be willing to assist with a copy of both inspection reports? i.e the inspection report you got when buying the car as 2011 and the one you got when selling the car as 2008?

7. Will you be willing to provide the VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) of the car? This will reveal more details about the car in question.

8. How did your driver’s mechanic ascertain the car was converted from Right-Hand-Drive to Left-Hand-Drive? What reasons did the mechanic give?

9. To what extent did you escalate this issue within Cars45? Did you contact their office to lodge a complaint about the entire scenario? What was their response if you did?

10. Did you complain to the agent that sold the car to you? What response did she give to you if you did?

11. I will also appreciate if you can link me up with the actual person that sold the car to you as well as the second buyer that bought the car for N1.4m. I have some questions to ask them e.g. Is it the same agent that sold the same car to the second buyer and what inspection report was given to the second buyer?

Your response will go a long way in ensuring this issue is resolved as well as enlighten others not to fall prey.

Thank you for your anticipated support.



She responded to the above mail that Friday night saying “Thank you for your interest. I am not interested in telling my story through you. I am also active on social media I will tell my story through this platform when I am ready”.


In conclusion, I support that Hayastark should pursue this case as much as she can in order to get her refunds. However, is her case really meant to be against Cars45 or the dealer with possible help from Cars45?

Below are AutoJosh’s concerns on the things Hayastark may need to know to enable her have a better case.

1. Hayastark is yet to provide convincing evidence to prove her case. This seems more like an appeal to pity rather than presentation of facts. She should get facts like comparison between both inspection reports as against the actual details found on the car. Another fact she should present is evidence of payment to reveal she paid into Cars45’s bank account when she bought the car.

2. It is difficult to agree that Cars45 was the one who defrauded her since she impliedly stated that she saw the car on another car selling website. That website led her and Dh to the dealer who took them to Carsbazr and there are notice boards at the car lot which clearly states that they can only deal from those dealers.

3. At the beginning of her complaint, she confirmed that Cars45 is set up in a way that you can sell your car to them but you need to go through an agent when you want to buy. Hayastark does not seem to be standing firm by this claim. After agreeing that Cars45 does not sell cars to individuals, she still went ahead to say they should stop lying about not selling cars. What do they do with the purchased cars? Smoke them? She asked in one of her comments.

4. It is surprising that Hayastark does not want to give audience to anyone who wants to know more than what she has written on Nairaland. On the contrary, Cars45 gave more audience even though they are yet to provide the documents we asked for. At this point, I can’t but think that the onus lies on the Hayastark to back up her claims with adequate evidence and documents. It should be easier to get evidence from an aggrieved individual than from an accused corporate organization that has processes and systems, which may amount to delayed response.

5. Someone replied Hayastark that that Toyota Corolla model does not come in Right-Hand-Drives but I beg to differ. Some people are actually not aware that the Right-Hand-Drives of that Toyota Corolla model are actually imported from South Africa and converted in Nigeria. I still wonder why people do this.

6. No one is going to force you to buy a vehicle without test-driving it. Never heard of that before. Moreover, bulk of the tokunbo vehicles that are shipped to Nigeria are bought from auction yards and most auction yards don’t allow you do a test drive. The best you can do is to start the engines and engage the gears with your leg on the brakes to see if the vehicles have the capacity to move under their own power but moving them is a No No. You don’t even drive the car out of their storage yard after making payment. It’s a forklift that usually takes them out even if the vehicle does not have a single defect.

7. In her original post, she said she was excited and even said “Wow” when she saw the car had 26,000 mileage. Note that 26,000 mileage on a 7 – 9 year old car should get you more worried instead of being excited. An exceptionally low mileage is a major green light to probe further.

8. The screenshot of the inspection report Hayastark posted on Nairaland does not show the name and details of the car the report belongs to. She should provide the two inspection reports of when she bought and sold the car. She should also schedule an appointment with the new buyer that bought the car for N1.4m and let an independent person go inspect the car in comparison with all the available inspection reports.

9. This seems more like a case of she bought a car from a dealer and sold to Cars45.

10. Why is she yet to meet with the appropriate authorities at Cars45? Why is she not giving audience to someone who tried to schedule an appointment for her to meet with them?

11. Finally, what Hayastark went through is a sad event, which Cars45 should make effort to resolve, and mitigate against future occurrences. At the same time, it is surprising that the alleged victim only complained about her ordeal to online sympathizers with no attempt to resolve the issue with the company and no response to vital questions requesting her to buttress her claim.


As one of the measures to curtail the excesses of the car dealers, I suggest that Cars45 should provide computer workstations at the Carsbarz car lot that will enable the buyers verify all the inspection documents of all vehicles independently without the interference of the dealers. This is because some dealers will want to ride on the goodwill of Cars45 to take advantage of car buyers. Personally, I gave two of my Nigerian used cars to two different dealers to help me sell at different times, They removed the number plates and presented the cars as Tokunbo. I had to withdraw the cars from them when I found out.



For avoidance of doubt, this post solely represents AutoJosh’s opinion about this issue.


Lest I forget, let me clarify that AutoJosh’s earlier post dated 2nd of March, 2018 was neither motivated by Hayastark’s complaint nor sponsored by Cars45. You can see the post titled “ Cars45, Do They Actually Buy Your Car In 45 Minutes? – By AutoJosh” here… https://autojosh.com/cars45-actually-sell-car-45-minutes-autojosh/


Please note that it is always quicker and easier to reach me through the contact page on my website (www.autojosh.com) than through Nairaland.


Don’t forget to also see some of the informative articles I have written and published on AutoJosh to help protect Nigerians from becoming victims in the hands of car dealers and private sellers:

9 Mistakes Car Buyers In Nigeria Usually Make
https://autojosh.com/9-mistakes-car-buyers-nigeria-usually-make/

5 Things Car Dealers In Nigeria Don’t Want Car Buyers To Know
https://autojosh.com/car-dealers-in-nigeria/

12 things to do before buying a Nigerian used car
https://autojosh.com/1532-2/

1 step you must never skip before you buy a car in Nigeria
https://autojosh.com/1-step-you-must-never-skip-before-you-buy-any-car-in-nigeria/

The scam of 6 months Nigerian used cars for sale
https://autojosh.com/the-scam-of-6-months-nigerian-used-cars-for-sale/

12 Reasons To Do A Car VIN Check Before You Buy That Car
https://autojosh.com/12-reasons-car-vin-check-buy-car/

7 steps to buy your car from USA and ship to Nigeria without leaving your bedroom
https://autojosh.com/car-from-usa/

Don’t fall for this cheap scam by a Nigerian car dealer
https://autojosh.com/let-us-behave-ourselves/


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The first thing a worthy lawyer, of which I encourage Hayastark ti absolutely retain, is to ascertain if the signage below was in display when she was doing commerce.

Hayastark bought the vehicle from Car45/CarBazr location, so they’re culpable. Even if partly.

You still come across thinly veiled as a Cars45 representative. I’m most likely wrong but that is my perception.

I also encourage Hayastark not to discuss her case with anyone except her legal representative.

I intend to be selling in a warehouse also with no test drives. This is not bad as long as your merchandise is fit for the purpose and you stand behind your product with a warranty.

Going forward, I won't believe anything from Autojosh. These cars45 guys are nothing but fraud. I have a very bad experience with them, you can only sell car to them if you stole it

Autojosh, I thought you were in Geneva motor show. You have done well even better than me. The lady is seeking for sympathisers. Do they really import cars from SA? I used to know of Japan.

Autojosh I do not owe you details of anything, I dont know why this is hard to accept, even though I know you have being paid to do this, I dont care about your opinion
I was defrauded by cars45 and I know how they operate
if you really want to investigate this try to sell a car to them and try to buy from them with an open mind

In conclusion I was defrauded by cars45 and what I want to do about that is my business and prerogatives.
NIGERIANS YOU HAVE BEING WARNED DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT WITH THIS EXPOSURE
Ps the agents who advertise this cars on other prerform are Id card caring staffs of cars45 on a salary and commission.

sooperrescue:
Autojosh, I thought you were in Geneva motor show. You have done well even better than me. The lady is seeking for sympathisers. Do they really import cars from SA? I used to know of Japan.

I am not surprise at your utterance that's why Nigeria is still the way it is today

It was only in your mind you were defrauded. Give details to expose them, you refused. Wish you better luck in your endeavours. I am out of here

sooperrescue:
It was only in your mind you were defrauded. Give details to expose them, you refused. Wish you better luck in your endeavours. I am out of here

Did you read her experience or you are just spewing rubbish because you are their agent (which is obvious by the way)
Cars45 agents of doom everywhere shiyo

I think I need to ask the question everyone's been avoiding..... autojosh were u paid by cars45 at any given time? were u ever appreciated in cash by them?
have they ever patronized u for ur services?

these are very neutral questions that could change the tone of this whole issue

autojosh might be making a very valid point tho. inasmuch as I'd want to blame cars45, I see some very strong points in their favour