ScienceWatch:
You seem unaware that the greatest danger to humanity is the religion of Atheism.

Bro...this is not to put you in a tight spot...but I'll appreciate it if you'll be blunt with me...

What have I done on this thread to get unnecessary insults from Emmanystone?

ScienceWatch:
You seem unaware that the greatest danger to humanity is the religion of Atheism.

I doubt Bro because Atheism allows you to question and seek the truth but these other Religion(Christianity/Islam) ask you to believe anything based on Faith or for the fact that it was written on a particular book (bible/quran) or because asking or trying to seek out the truth is a sin on your path.
Bro this is mental slavery, it's the worst thing that can befall any man alive.

OkCornel:


Bro...this is not to put you in a tight spot...but I'll appreciate it if you'll be blunt with me...

What have I done on this thread to get unnecessary insults from Emmanystone?

How did i insult you? Oh saying you are a pretender is an insult? Sorry o. But, you have claimed you had the Spirit of Truth which is the Holy Spirit in you since, only for you to do what i suspected you'd do, declare you are not a Christian. Which Spirit are you talking about nah?

Emmanystone:

How did i insult you? Oh saying you are a pretender is an insult? Sorry o. But, you have claimed you had the Spirit of Truth which is the Holy Spirit in you since, only for you to do what i suspected you'd do, declare you are not a Christian. Which Spirit are you talking about nah?

And who told you the spirit of truth is the holy spirit?

Emmanystone:

How did i insult you? Oh saying you are a pretender is an insult? Sorry o. But, you have claimed you had the Spirit of Truth which is the Holy Spirit in you since, only for you to do what i suspected you'd do, declare you are not a Christian. Which Spirit are you talking about nah?

And where did the Spirit of God become the property of "Christians" alone?

Hasn't the Spirit if God been poured out on all flesh like Joel prophesied?

What was Job 32 v 8 referring to when he said there is a Spirit in man and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding?

I am still waiting on your hasty conclusion on calling me a pretender after dodging my last set of questions...

Please mention where I said Moses copied from the Epic of Gilgamesh...

Emmanystone:

How did i insult you? Oh saying you are a pretender is an insult? Sorry o. But, you have claimed you had the Spirit of Truth which is the Holy Spirit in you since, only for you to do what i suspected you'd do, declare you are not a Christian. Which Spirit are you talking about nah?

Please I asked ScienceWatch a question...let him answer me...

OkCornel:


And [b]when did the date of the creation of the Universe become a basis of the argument?[/b]

The Epic of Gilgamesh was documented before the book of Genesis...what else are you driving at? what point exactly are you making?

Are you seriously setting the perimeters of this thread? If you had not stirred thw thread away from it's Op, this is where we wld have been.

I was driving this thread to DATES, if you had allowed the thread go sail amoothly.

If you say Epic of Gilgamesh came before Genesis, when was the creation according to Genesis take place, was my destination.

The Epic of the Gil, has a date, but does Genesis?

Moses wrote Genesis, but did Moses create the Universe?

Was the Universe created when Moses wrote the account?

Can anyone put a timeline bwtn the time God finished his creation to the time Adam fell?

How long was it? Can you date it?

If you say the Epic of Gil Predates Genesis, then you must be able to answer the questions.

Are you done derailing this thread? Now let's get to business.

Answer and we shall take off from there.

snnazzy24:
@emmanystone.. why would a loving god as Christians claims is the true character of their almighty god derives pleasure is destroying people who don't believe in him by allowing them burn in hell on the last day as foretold when it was recorded in your bible that he created every living things including man and he knows all things.. why didn't he just create a set of people who will believe, love, trust, obey and worship him without questions rather than having some perish because they didn't believe in him and jesus and some alive because they did believed in him and his son called jesus. Unless he doesn't know all things as Christians claims.

No more derailing this thread. If you want answers open a thread and mention me.

Thanks

OkCornel:


Bro...this is not to put you in a tight spot...but I'll appreciate it if you'll be blunt with me...

What have I done on this thread to get unnecessary insults from Emmanystone?

I understand how you feel but don't let this get to you. it's common with them Christians to result to cheap insults when you counter them to the point where they can't defend their god anymore, we all know what the Muslims result to.. fighting and and going on rampage.
what I can't seem to understand is why fight for god who they claim is general almighty.

snnazzy24:


I understand how you feel but don't let this get to you. it's common with them Christians to result to cheap insults when you counter them to the point where they can't defend their god anymore, we all know what the Muslims result to.. fighting and and going on rampage.
what I can't seem to understand is why fight for god who they claim is general almighty.

Okcornel, am waiting for your response here.

As water answereth to face, so the deep calleth to the deep

OkCornel:


And where did the Spirit of God become the property of "Christians" alone?

Hasn't the Spirit if God been poured out on all flesh like Joel prophesied?

What was Job 32 v 8 referring to when he said there is a Spirit in man and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding?

I am still waiting on your hasty conclusion on calling me a pretender after dodging my last set of questions...

Please mention where I said Moses copied from the Epic of Gilgamesh...

I know see you make posts and forget.

So the Spirit on all flesh even those who are not followers of Christ? Hahahahahahahahahaha. Abeg jare.

Emmanystone:

Are you seriously setting the perimeters of this thread? If you had not stirred thw thread away from it's Op, this is where we wld have been.

I was driving this thread to DATES, if you had allowed the thread go sail amoothly.

If you say Epic of Gilgamesh came before Genesis, when was the creation according to Genesis take place, was my destination.

The Epic of the Gil, has a date, but does Genesis?

Moses wrote Genesis, but did Moses create the Universe?

Was the Universe created when Moses wrote the account?

Can anyone put a timeline bwtn the time God finished his creation to the time Adam fell?

How long was it? Can you date it?

If you say the Epic of Gil Predates Genesis, then you must be able to answer the questions.

Are you done derailing this thread? Now let's get to business.

Answer and we shall take off from there.

Just stop this already... this thing is straightforward for God's sake...

The Epic of Gilgamesh was written before the book of Genesis was written... and I gave you the facts on when they were written...

Why are you shifting the goal post to when the Universe was created? what does it have to do with when these books were written?

By the way, both books talk about the garden of eden...

BY THE WAY, YOU ARE YET TO MENTION WHERE I STATED MOSES COPIED FROM THE EPIC OF GILGAMESH!

snnazzy24:


And who told you the spirit of truth is the holy spirit?

I thought you were a satansist/atheist? Wetyn concern you with spirits?

Emmanystone:

No more derailing this thread. If you want answers open a thread and mention me.

Thanks

I really would like to take the bait but I would rather you open the thread leaving it open for everyone, I will always drop by to air my opinion and questions. I hope you will consider it that way.
Thanks

budaatum:
I gave you a book about Heaven and Hell. Did I have to believe it to give it to you? Would you claim my giving it to you proves I believe it?

(Was it not good, by the way, you never said?)

The book is good but not easy to read. He was too much i to Angels and levels of heavens. What he wrote did not edify me.
Nevertheless, it's a good book. I thought said so and thanked you?

Emmanystone:

I know see you make posts and forget.

So the Spirit on all flesh even those who are not followers of Christ? Hahahahahahahahahaha. Abeg jare.

It's in the Bible...and prophet Joel wrote it.

Peter preached about it on the day of Pentecost... unless you want to laugh at the very same Bible you read as well...

Go ahead...

God is not a God of the "Christians" alone...you need to get that clear...

budaatum:

Indeed you can. Hopefully, and especially if you don't subscribe to butterflylion's idea of being controlled by others.

So far do i seem like i can be controlled?

Emmanystone:

The book is good but not easy to read. He was too much i to Angels and levels of heavens. What he wrote did not edify me.
Nevertheless, it's a good book. I thought said so and thanked you?

He wrote what he said he experienced.

Do you believe it? That he truly went to the places he described, and that those places exist as he described them?

OkCornel:


Look at all your quotes on this thread, your motive has been to throw mud at me all the while...I can see you are truly "Christ-like"

Please tell me, does God have a religion?

No, God doesn't have a religion, nevertheless, he has an acceptable way He determines how His followers worship Him.

You don't decide how you worship Him. He is the master, you are the servant. The Bible is the Guide He has given to us through his Son Jesus toady, so if you relegate it and resort to another source, you are on your own.

If only can do all is written in the Beatitutes alone, then you'd be ready for rapture. That we are still grappling with, but you want to go beyond that. This is satanic and i don't mean that as an insult, it's just the truth.

Satan wants us to sidestep the lay down guide 'The Word' so that he can introduce errors.

Emmanystone:

I thought you were a satansist/atheist? Wetyn concern you with spirits?

lolz.. you should have asked if I was a satanist/atheist rather than thinking..
my concern with spirit is not as you think.. when I said spirit of truth is not a spiritual thing as Christians make of it but a personality of ones self having a dignity.

Emmanystone:

No, God doesn't have a religion, nevertheless, he has an acceptable way He determines how His followers worship Him.

You don't decide how you worship Him. He is the master, you are the servant. The Bible is the Guide He has given to us through his Son Jesus toady, so if you relegate it and resort to another source, you are on your own.

If only can do all is written in the Beatitutes alone, then you'd be ready for rapture. That we are still grappling with, but you want to go beyond that. This is satanic and i don't mean that as an insult, it's just the truth.

Satan wants us to sidestep the lay down guide 'The Word' so that he can introduce errors.

But you are ignoring the fact that even Satan can twist the same words you hold so dear to deceive you as well...

If you doubt it...why the tithing controversy of the past few weeks in the first place?

See ehn, there's much more to God than what's in the Bible alone...and your major fear is being misled into error...

But why one would have this fear despite having the Holy Spirit that will guide you is something very funny I find about Christians...

Anything outside of the Bible is satanic and demonic abi?

YOU HAVEN'T STILL MENTIONED WHERE I SAID MOSES COPIED FROM THE EPIC OF GILGAMESH...

OkCornel:


Bro...this is not to put you in a tight spot...but I'll appreciate it if you'll be blunt with me...

What have I done on this thread to get unnecessary insults from Emmanystone?

No problem. It is good to hear from you.

I have been browsing this thread occasionally and am impressed with both of you, this topic and the complexity paves the way for frustration and misunderstanding to surface. The distraction from other posters also aggravate this situation.

In my humble opinion, I see nothing other than an incredibly intelligent and robust debate. I believe that you have expressed your views honestly and tactfully as usual.

Emmanystone is very smart and should patch up any unintentional indignity to you.

I have enjoyed the robust dialogue between you two. I am following.

snnazzy24:


I understand how you feel but don't let this get to you. it's common with them Christians to result to cheap insults when you counter them to the point where they can't defend their god anymore, we all know what the Muslims result to.. fighting and and going on rampage.
what I can't seem to understand is why fight for god who they claim is general almighty.

You are missing the point. Watch how mature OkCornel and Emmanystone are as the deal with very complex issues. Misunderstanding must come. They are powerful enough to patch things up in ways that will amaze atheists.
Watch this space dude.

snnazzy24:


I understand how you feel but don't let this get to you. it's common with them Christians to result to cheap insults when you counter them to the point where they can't defend their god anymore, we all know what the Muslims result to.. fighting and and going on rampage.
what I can't seem to understand is why fight for god who they claim is general almighty.

I am not mad at her per se, after all I have seen Christians arguing bitterly over doctrinal differences. Even the early church was not exempt from this as per Acts 15...

At the end of the day, what matters is if we are all living a TRUTHFUL life

Olodumare is the oldest of them all.

orisa37:
Olodumare is the oldest of them all.

Please explain further sir...

OkCornel:


My dear, the understanding of God comes from His Spirit and not necessarily from any book...

Even the Devil can deceive you with the Bible you hold onto dearly...

Going by the bolded...it shows you still have a narrow mindset just like any other religious fanatic... too bad..

I agree with you on this: Understanding comes from the Spirit and not from any book.

OkCornel:

Wow...this is interesting. So because I do not call my self "Christian" it means I am a pretender abi?

You shouldn't have taken a stand as if you were a Christian from the start and made me think you were.

OkCornel:

And only the Devil tells one to look beyond the Bible for truth?

YES. The Word of God is our guide to live in this dark world. It is the light unto our path.

Jesus said we shd examine ourselves if we are in the Lord, it has to be done with the Word because it is a mirror.

Without the Word, how do you know the mind of God? How do you know what he wants you to do?

How do you how to serve Him?

You'd just serve Him the way others serve their gods thereby serving satan.

Satan wants worship, hence he wants you to undermine the laid down rules hence,work in disobedience to YHWH.

OkCornel:

My dear, you are no different from a muslim zealot... I strongly doubt if you even understand the Bible you are reading...

If that makes you happy why not? Call me whatever, I don't care. No compromise.

Lolzz, you do? Really? You who depends on wikipedia to know God knows tbe Bible abi? Good.

OkCornel:

b]It seems you have taken the place of God in my life and you now know how my future will turn out to be...that I'm a freethinker who thinks YHWH does not exist abi?[/b] - this is a very irritating way of sitting on your high horse and judging people as though you know everything about them... very immature of you I must say... keep up with the lies and denial though...

You began here like a believer, then you bloated out 'I'm not a Christian'. The next might be, 'I'm doubting my faith in God'

We have seen it happen here. I have a reason i raised this high. Is it so that if it happens, today will be remembered.

People who know nothing about claiming they were christians. Biko.

OkCornel:

By the way, please humor me...other people that don't bear the Christian tag are going to hell fire abi?

Anyone does not have the life Christ died to give will go to hellfire.

Not those who attend Church on sunday.

ScienceWatch:
No problem. It is good to hear from you.

I have been browsing this thread occasionally and am impressed with both of you, this topic and the complexity paves the way for frustration and misunderstanding to surface. The distraction from other posters also aggravate this situation.

In my humble opinion, I see nothing other than an incredibly intelligent and robust debate. I believe that you have expressed your views honestly and tactfully as usual.

Emmanystone is very smart and should patch up any unintentional indignity to you.

I have enjoyed the robust dialogue between you two. I am following.

I'm sorry for any insult to Okcornel.

Emmanystone:

You shouldn't have taken a stand as if you were a Christian from the start and made me think you were.


YES. The Word of God is our guide to live in this dark world. It is the light unto our path.

Jesus said we shd examine ourselves if we are in the Lord, it has to be done with the Word because it is a mirror.

Without the Word, how do you know the mind of God? How do you know what he wants you to do?

How do you how to serve Him?

You'd just serve Him the way others serve their gods thereby serving satan.

Satan wants worship, hence he wants you to undermine the laid down rules hence,work in disobedience to YHWH.

If that makes you happy why not? Call me whatever, I don't care. No compromise.

Lolzz, you do? Really? You who depends on wikipedia to know God knows tbe Bible abi? Good.


You began here like a believer, then you bloated out 'I'm not a Christian'. The next might be, 'I'm doubting my faith in God'

We have seen it happen here. I have a reason i raised this high. Is it so that if it happens, today will be remembered.

People who know nothing about claiming they were christians. Biko.


Anyone does not have the life Christ died to give will go to hellfire.

Not those who attend Church on sunday.

I am a believer in the TRUTH...I just don't want to be tagged a Christian...

Many Christians claim to follow Jesus without even having the slightest idea of the things He lived and died for...

And for you to say anyone who is not a Christian would perish in hell... please look up Revelation 20 v 12 -13...this is what happens after the dead in Christ have ruled for a 1,000 years...

12 And I saw the dead, both great and small stand before [x]God: and the [y]books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book [z]of life, and the dead were judged of those things, which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 [aa]And the sea gave up her dead, which were in her, and death and hell delivered up the dead, which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.



That explains how those who never heard of Jesus would be judged e.g. our forefathers who lived before Christianity came to Africa...OR the jungle boy in the Amazon forest with little or no contact with civilization...


By the way... I personally believe in the things Jesus lived and died for... but I do not want to be called a Christian... that name bears little or no significance to me... especially seeing the mess people have made out of it... Christianity of today has made a religion out of the TRUTH...and missed out on the things Jesus lived and died for...


I wonder why the power of God manifested in the life of Jesus and the Apostles seems to be lacking majorly in the church today...

OkCornel:

But you are ignoring the fact that even Satan can twist the same words you hold so dear to deceive you as well...

It is for that reason we are told to check everything with the Word. Whatever is outside the Word, satan can present himself as God and be worshipped. The Word is a Lamp unto our feet and a light unto our path. Without it, you walk in darkness.

Satan can never twist the Word if you know it and depends on the Holy Spirit for guidance. He can only do that to those who wait for someone to tell them about the Word, or those who believe YHWH can be found outside of the Word. Lies.

OkCornel:

If you doubt it...why the tithing controversy of the past few weeks in the first place?

Guy, lf you want us to talk about Tithing, create a thread for it. Not here. (I pay my tithe faithfully by the way.) E no concern you. Jesus is my High persist, i pay my tithe to him. You are not a Christian, you shd leave that to us Christians to handle. Thanks.

OkCornel:

See ehn, there's much more to God than what's in the Bible alone...and your major fear is being misled into error...

Sir, outside of the Word He has given, you can't know YHWH. Even with what He has given, there's so much you need to learn, what else do you need outside the Bible? You can only walk into error when you via outside of the Word

OkCornel:

But why one would have this fear despite having the Holy Spirit that will guide you is something very funny I find about Christians...

Does the Holy Spirit away from the Word? Do you know his responsibilities?

Lolzzzzz.you have no idea what you are talking about. Has the Holy Spirit ever talked to you? Did He talk to you outside of the Word?

The Holy Spirit speaks the Word of God to you, that's why, without the knowledge of the Word, the Holy Spirit can not speak to you. The Master said, He (the Holy Spirit), shall put us to remembrance of the things He taught us. Where are the things Christ taught us? In the Word.

If you see me remaining within the confines of the Word as fear, then that's because you are bent on walking in disobedience. I no dey fear satan o. Let me tell you. I know who i am by virtue of redemption.

I deeply understand what it means to sit with Christ in heavenly places far above satan and his hordes. So if you think am afraid, then think again.

Even the Angels do not understand any other language than your Faith in the Word of God.

OkCornel:

Anything outside of the Bible is satanic and demonic abi?

YES. If you intend to follow YHWH but determines to do so by following teachings outside the Bible, just know satan is unto you. If he can twist Scriptures to the unsuspecting Christians, what will he not do to those who goes outside the Word.

Anything Unscriptural is Satanic.

OkCornel:

YOU HAVEN'T STILL MENTIONED WHERE I SAID MOSES COPIED FROM THE EPIC OF GILGAMESH...

Did you or did you not say the Epic Gil predates Genesis? Didn't you post their dates here? What was that? By posting those dates, you made a statement.

bloodofthelamb:


I agree with you on this: Understanding comes from the Spirit and not from any book.

Me too agrees.

Below is the Fruits of the Spirit off a different tree. Some would claim it was fertilised different.

1. Love
2. Courage
3. Patience
4. Peacefulness
5. Magnanimity
6. Goodness
7. Faithfulness
8. Gentleness
9. Selflessness
10. Self-control
11. Self sacrifice
12. Truthfulness
13. Righteousness
14. Justice
15. Mercy
16. Gracefulness
17. Humility
18. Empathy
19. Sympathy
20. Spiritual knowledge
21. Moral Values
22. Spiritual Wisdom
23. The fear of God
24. Faith or Believe or Hope