MuttleyLaff:
No, maybe you arent consciously aware you do it
but when you're pulled up on things you've posted, you increasingly become uncomfortable and less assured,
and so lash out to whoevers called you out, with spiteful comments.
Maybe its a strategy done, to get whoever, to back off

What you fail to realise is that, I know what I bring to the table,
so trust me when/if I say, I am not afraid to eat alone
I don't share what I know, because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently
but I share what I know, to show people who know, like me, that, they're not alone
Afterall and at the end of the day, a candle loses nothing by lighting another candle

You've done this again
After I had already responded to your original submission
You went in and added these enviable above and immediate comment,
but you've done an own goal, confirming my assertion to a tee about you, your nature and modus operandi

By the power vested in me,
I now pronounce you... "alo ramirami" ignored.
Another ID moniker bites the dust

Thankfully, your opinion about me is not God's opinion about me...so therefore, all these evaluation of yours are totally worthless to me...

I asked you a simple question on how "being" and "is about" in the context of Christianity and invented truth...and here you are blowing things out of proportion...saying I am wrapped up in my ways and echo chambers...now you are turning around to accuse me of spiteful comments...quite interesting of you.

If this is your tactic to stop the discussion with all these needless distractions... then ride on...

I wonder if defensive has another meaning in the dictionary I am not aware of...

1) Mention where I have been defensive on this thread
2) Mention where I have spited you...

Emmanystone:

Outside of Jesus, No. God won't hear you. Excpet of course it's not YHWH you are talking to.

So who did Enoch converse with?

And what is the role of Jesus as the triune God? or is Jesus no longer God?

Why are you seeing Jesus and God the Father as separate entities despite Jesus saying "I and the Father are one"

OkCornel:


And don't you have the Spirit of God that would guide you into all truth?

Who or what is tje Spirit of Truth? How did i come about having him or it?

Emmanystone:

Who or what is tje Spirit of Truth? How did i come about having him or it?

Before you even asked for the Holy Spirit, what tells you the difference between right and wrong? What convicts you when you know you have done something wrong?

God's Spirit has been resident within you and in any man right from his/her tender days...

OkCornel:


So who did Enoch converse with?

And what is the role of Jesus as the triune God? or is Jesus no longer God?

Why are you seeing Jesus and God the Father as separate entities despite Jesus saying "I and the Father are one"

Who was Enoch? Is what i asked. Did he have any power of his own outside of YHWH?

You may want to.point me to where i seperated Jesus from YHWH.

You eh![/quote]
Pls who was Enoch?

Emmanystone:

Who was Enoch? Is what i asked. Did he have any power of his own outside of YHWH?

You may want to.point me to where i seperated Jesus from YHWH.

You eh!

I told you I converse with God directly...and what was your response? that I cannot do it outside of Jesus...

What then was your understanding of God I was referring to... was it not God the Father you were thinking? if your answer is no...then what brought up the "outside of Jesus" stuff you mentioned?

How many issues do you want to tacle in one post?

I just gave you and anawer you asked, you are leaving that to others.
What has the Spirit of God striving with man got to do with the discourse?
Anyways...

OkCornel:

1) so what did YHWH do to bring Adam to life?

He took up flesh to enable Him have blood to exchanged His life for Man's through propitiation. God was in Christ reconciling man back to Himself.

OkCornel:

2) What did YHWH mean by "my Spirit shall no longer contend with man...and he shall now live to be 120 years old"

It means, I'm done trying to make man see reasons. Man has no idea that all i am doing is for his own good, since he wants things done his way, so be it. No more longer life like Noah who lived for 950yrs.

OkCornel:

3) What Spirit was referred to in Job 32 v 8; Surely there is a spirit in man, but the inspiration of the Almighty giveth understanding.

Ignored. Next time paste the scripture here. Thanks.

OkCornel:

Is it not the Spirit of God that gives life to a man?

Which man are you referring to you? The New generated man or the fallen spiritually still dead man?

Not every body you see walking about is alive. And, the life here is not material of fleshly life. It's the life of God (Zoe)
Very Few have this life and only the Holy Spirit can give it.

Emmanystone:
How many issues do you want to tacle in one post?

I just gave you and anawer you asked, you are leaving that to others.
What has the Spirit of God striving with man got to do with the discourse?
Anyways...


He took up flesh to enable Him have blood to exchanged His life for Man's through propitiation. God was in Christ reconciling man back to Himself.


It means, I'm done trying to make man see reasons. Man has no idea that all i am doing is for his own good, since he wants things done his way, so be it. No more longer life like Noah who lived for 950yrs.


Ignored. Next time paste the scripture here. Thanks.


Which man are you referring to you? The New generated man or the fallen spiritually still dead man?

Not every body you see walking about is alive. And, the life here is not material of fleshly life. It's life of God (Zoe)
Very Few have this life and only the Holy Spirit can give it.

I pasted what was stated in Job 32 v 8 ...and you ignored it saying I should post the scripture...

Let's go back to the basics...the Spirit of God is called R'uakh...which is translated to mean life giving energy...or wind...or breath

Can a man be alive without a spirit in him? And where does this Spirit come from?

Before Adam could live... God had to impart His Spirit in Him. Every man also has that Spirit that enables them to live...

OkCornel:

I told you I converse with God directly...and what was your response? that I cannot do it outside of Jesus...

You converse with which God directly? YHWH or some demon masquerading as YHWH?

YHWH is guided by the rules that be created.

Numbers 23:19 God is not like people, who lie; He is not a human who changes his mind. Whatever he promises, he does; He speaks, and it is done.

John 14:6
I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. No man can come to the Father except by Me[/]

How did you get to this God you have been conversing with directly?
Hebrews 1:1-2
[b]God's Word through His Son In the past God spoke to our ancestors many times and in many ways through the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us through his Son.

He is the one through whom God created the universe, the one whom God has chosen to possess all things at the end.

I told you we'll get there. We are almost at the point where you'd say Jesus is not the only way to the father. What am i even saying? Haven't you mentioned Bhudda here?

Shey you don dey see say all the shout about having the Spirit of Truth in you, it's not the Spirit of YHWH afterall?. Hmmm.

OkCornel:

What then was your understanding of God I was referring to... was it not God the Father you were thinking?

He that is called of God speaked and doeth the will of.God. if it's God the Father you meant, you'd go.to.Him through the Channel he decided you go through, not by your own way.

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if your answer is no...then what brought up the "outside of Jesus" stuff you mentioned?[/quote]
You, like many occultic or.mystics i have disccused with in tbis forum just declared that you go to father directly sidestepping Jesus.

Meaning, Jesus is not recognised as a mediator.

Anyone who boycotts Jesus hoping he is talking to God, here is who he talks to. SATAN. For, he said...
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isaiah:14:13-14

Satan wants worship and he knows if he goes through Jesus he will never get any worship, so he decieves tbe ignorant to rhink they can worship God outside Jesus.


Bottomline, YHWH will bend his rules to talk to you directly. No one can come to the father, means no one, including you.

OkCornel:


Before you even asked for the Holy Spirit, what tells you the difference between right and wrong? What convicts you when you know you have done something wrong?

God's Spirit has been resident within you and in any man right from his/her tender days...

So you don't believe in the i dwelling of the Holy Spirit which comes into the believers at redemption?

Emmanystone:

So you don't believe in the i dwelling of the Holy Spirit which comes into the believers at redemption?

At the point of redemption, God's Spirit takes His rightful place in your life...

Before redemption...God's Spirit is more or less dormant in you...just doing enough to sustain your breath to keep you alive. He talks to you, but most likely you rebel against Him...

Emmanystone:

You converse with which God directly? YHWH or some demon masquerading as YHWH?

YHWH is guided by the rules that be created.

Numbers 23:19 God is not like people, who lie; He is not a human who changes his mind. Whatever he promises, he does; He speaks, and it is done.

John 14:6
I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. No man can come to the Father except by Me[/]

How did you get to this God you have been conversing with directly?
Hebrews 1:1-2
[b]God's Word through His Son In the past God spoke to our ancestors many times and in many ways through the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us through his Son.

He is the one through whom God created the universe, the one whom God has chosen to possess all things at the end.

I told you we'll get there. We are almost at the point where you'd say Jesus is not the only way to the father. What am i even saying? Haven't you mentioned Bhudda here?

Shey you don dey see say all the shout about having the Spirit of Truth in you, it's not the Spirit of YHWH afterall?. Hmmm.

He that is called of God speaked and doeth the will of.God. if it's God the Father you meant, you'd go.to.Him through the Channel he decided you go through, not by your own way.

[ author=OkCornel post=65758665]
if your answer is no...then what brought up the "outside of Jesus" stuff you mentioned?
You, like many occultic or.mystics i have disccused with in tbis forum just declared that you go to father directly sidestepping Jesus.

Meaning, Jesus is not recognised as a mediator.

Anyone who boycotts Jesus hoping he is talking to God, here is who he talks to. SATAN. For, he said...
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isaiah:14:13-14

Satan wants worship and he knows if he goes through Jesus he will never get any worship, so he decieves tbe ignorant to rhink they can worship God outside Jesus.


Bottomline, YHWH will bend his rules to talk to you directly. No one can come to the father, means no one, including you.

And where did I mention Bhudda as the way to God? Misunderstanding and hasty conclusions/accusations again...

Only the truth shows you the way to God... anything else is a distraction...

Religions around the world always love to give the truth a label they can deify...

So tell me, is God a God of the "Christians" alone...or a Father to All to those seek to Him?

You never considered the Lord's prayer through which Jesus taught His disciples to communicate directly with God... so tell me, who were the disciples praying to? Satan?

OkCornel:

And where did I mention Bhudda as the way to God? Misunderstanding and hasty conclusions/accusations again...

You seem not to know what implictures are. You make statements which are left open to interpretations. You were talking about Truth and light bearers. When asked what truth and light was, you asked if you Bhudda, Enoch, and you, didn't have truths and bore light.

In context, who is the Truth, isn't Jesus?

Who is the Light? Isn't Jesus?

If you bring in Bhudda, what are you implying? That Bhudda too is in the class of Jesus, bearing light and teaching Truth.

Na wao for you o.

OkCornel:

Only the truth shows you the way to God... anything else is a distractions

What is the truth according to you? Jesus, for me is the truth. But, you said you go to 'God' direct, meaning, you don't recognise Jesus as the way to the father, and who also happens to be the truth. Since this is the case, what ia truth?

OkCornel:

Religions around the world always love to give the truth a label they can deify...

God who gave Adam the wisdom, knowledge and power to identify things and persons by naming them is not stupid. Everyone and everything is identified by a name. If the truth you keep talking about is an entity, he or it, will have a name. Forget the religions of the world and tell me WHAT IS TRUTH?

There's something we must clear here. There's Truth every where you go. The Muslims have their version of truth, the Mystics have theirs, Core satanists believe they are the real custodians of the truth, New Agers, the Bhuddas you mentioned, believe they are the truth. Christians believes Jesus is the Truth.

Pls give a name to this truth of yours. If you leave it tagless, it may be deceitful, as you may be meaning something else entirely from what you say.

OkCornel:

So tell me, is God a God of the "Christians" alone...or a Father to All to seek to Him?

@Bolded. He is a father to all who seek him. But that Seeking must be consistent with the methods He had laid down. He says you go to Him through His Son Jesus. If you direct, you can't find Him. He won't break his rules because of you.

He is your Father if you disobey his rules. He takes his rules seriously, as even Him is bound by his own rules.

He is the God, the creator of all, but not the father of all.

Do you know what being ones Father means?

He becomes your father if you obey Him and do as He commands. He is not a father to the rebellious who insults him everyday by their acts. That's why when a Syro-phonecian woman asked Christ for healing for her child, Christ's response tells us that not everyone is a Son or daughter to God. If you are not His son, then He is not your Father.

OkCornel:

You never considered the Lord's prayer through which Jesus taught His disciples to communicate directly with God... so tell me, who were the disciples praying to? Satan?

Wow, this is some twisting of Scriptures.

And Philip said, 'Lord, Show us the Father..., and the Lord said, Philip, have i been this long with you yet you don't know me? Jn 14:8

Who then is this Father whom we shd pray to?

No man cometh to the Father, but by me, because i am that FATHER. IF YOU PASS ME, THERE'S NO ONE ELSE.

I AM IN THE FATHER AND THE FATHER IS IN ME. WE ARE ONE ENTITY.

What is this truth you are seeking for biko, that you don't need Jesus to do it?

Only Mystics boycott Jesus.

OkCornel:

At the point of redemption, God's Spirit takes His rightful place in your life...

No sir. Everyman was given a spirit from creation, it is that Spirit which lies dormant and lifeless (Spiritually). The Spirit of God is what comes in to resurrect the dormant spirit back to life and action.

The Spirit of God connects our own spirits to God, which was what was lacking in Adam. Every man who does not have the Spirit of God in them which comes from Jesus only, can not communicate and relate with and to God.

Jesus alone gives that Spirit, which causes a rebirth of our dead spirits, redemption. His suffering and death earned Him that honour. Do you want it? Then go to Jesus. If you think you can bypass Jesus to go to the father, then you are own your own.

OkCornel:

Before redemption...God's Spirit is more or less dormant in you...just doing enough to sustain your breath to keep you alive.

GNT Ephesians 2:1-2
In the past you were spiritually dead because of your disobedience and sins. At that time you followed the world's evil way; you obeyed the ruler of the spiritual powers in space, the spirit who now controls the people who disobey God.

The Holy Spirit is not inside a sinner before redemption. See the state of a sinner above. He is dead. The Spirit of God is a life giving Spirit. You can't have Him and be dead.

It says Satan controlled them. If they had the Holy Spirit in them, yet they got controlled by satan, it must mean then that satan controlled the Holy Spirit.
For where? E no fit happen.

OkCornel:

He talks to you, but most likely you rebel against Him...

Guy, the only mean the Holy Spirit can talk to a man is through the spirit of that man, but since the man's spirit is dead, how then can that happen?

So, no, the Holy Spirit does not talk to sinners, He can not because man won't hear Him with his physical ears.

OkCornel:


Before you even asked for the Holy Spirit, what tells you the difference between right and wrong? What convicts you when you know you have done something wrong?

God's Spirit has been resident within you and in any man right from his/her tender days...

Where did you see this? I mean, scripture.

OkCornel:


I told you I converse with God directly...and what was your response? that I cannot do it outside of Jesus...

What then was your understanding of God I was referring to... was it not God the Father you were thinking? if your answer is no...then what brought up the "outside of Jesus" stuff you mentioned?

I'm beginning to understand why you have been against identifying God by His name. I think this is because, you know the God you mean is not really YHWH.

If you converse with God directly without the intermediary He Himself placed, then, it's not YHWH you are referring to as Father.

Wow. No wonder you said God can manifest himself in any form to anyone.

That is Satan's ploy to keep the decieved bound.

Emmanystone:

I'm beginning to understand why you have been against identifying God by His name. I think this is because, you know the God you mean is not really YHWH.

If you converse with God directly without the intermediary He Himself placed, then, it's not YHWH you are referring to as Father.

Wow. No wonder you said God can manifest himself in any form to anyone.

That is Satan's ploy to keep the decieved bound.

And why do you insist on giving God a name? Is He a God of the Jews and the Christians alone?

You have limited your view of God through the lens of religion...

And yes, YHWH is one of the numerous names of God Almighty...so tell me, what exactly does it change?

If you tell us God has no religion, then does anyone need a religion to reach out to God? Did Adam have any religion to communicate with God?... or Enoch...or Abraham? or Job? or Jesus? Did these men have two heads on their neck?

And why are you so obsessed with thinking anything outside the Christian definition of God automatically means Satan?

Emmanystone:

I'm beginning to understand why you have been against identifying God by His name. I think this is because, you know the God you mean is not really YHWH.

If you converse with God directly without the intermediary He Himself placed, then, it's not YHWH you are referring to as Father.

Wow. No wonder you said God can manifest himself in any form to anyone.

That is Satan's ploy to keep the decieved bound.

Don't display ignorance biko...

Jesus taught the disciples how to pray. Go through the Lord's prayer carefully and tell us where Jesus referred to any intermediary?
Abi He was teaching His disciples to pray to Satan?

This is what happens when you idolize Jesus to the point you have little or no understanding of the things He lived and died for...

My dear, you are not to different from the Catholics who also pray to Mary and the Saints...

So you are telling us God is an Eternal Father of All no one can communicate with directly? So who did Adam, Enoch, Moses, Abraham, Job, David, Solomon and Elijah converse with? Satan?

Emmanystone:


No sir. Everyman was given a spirit from creation, it is that Spirit which lies dormant and lifeless (Spiritually). The Spirit of God is what comes in to resurrect the dormant spirit back to life and action.

The Spirit of God connects our own spirits to God, which was what was lacking in Adam. Every man who does not have the Spirit of God in them which comes from Jesus only, can not communicate and relate with and to God.

Jesus alone gives that Spirit, which causes a rebirth of our dead spirits, redemption. His suffering and death earned Him that honour. Do you want it? Then go to Jesus. If you think you can bypass Jesus to go to the father, then you are own your own.

GNT Ephesians 2:1-2
In the past you were spiritually dead because of your disobedience and sins. At that time you followed the world's evil way; you obeyed the ruler of the spiritual powers in space, the spirit who now controls the people who disobey God.

The Holy Spirit is not inside a sinner before redemption. See the state of a sinner above. He is dead. The Spirit of God is a life giving Spirit. You can't have Him and be dead.

It says Satan controlled them. If they had the Holy Spirit in them, yet they got controlled by satan, it must mean then that satan controlled the Holy Spirit.
For where? E no fit happen.

Guy, the only mean the Holy Spirit can talk to a man is through the spirit of that man, but since the man's spirit is dead, how then can that happen?

So, no, the Holy Spirit does not talk to sinners, He can not because man won't hear Him with his physical ears.

Simple questions for you...

Where did the Spirit in man come from? Is it not from God? When man dies, won't this Spirit go back to God being the original owner of it?

Is it not this same Spirit that convicts you on what is right or wrong? Even in the old testament, the book of Job mentioned something in Chapter 32 v 8; There is a Spirit in man, but the inspiration of the Almighty giveth understanding

A sinner is one who consistently chooses to disobey the word of God...and by this I mean instructions from the Spirit of God resident in him...

If you are Spiritually dead...you cannot even know right from wrong... without a Spirit...you are literally dead meat...

Emmanystone:

You seem not to know what implictures are. You make statements which are left open to interpretations. You were talking about Truth and light bearers. When asked what truth and light was, you asked if you Bhudda, Enoch, and you, didn't have truths and bore light.

In context, who is the Truth, isn't Jesus?

Who is the Light? Isn't Jesus?

If you bring in Bhudda, what are you implying? That Bhudda too is in the class of Jesus, bearing light and teaching Truth.

Na wao for you o.


What is the truth according to you? Jesus, for me is the truth. But, you said you go to 'God' direct, meaning, you don't recognise Jesus as the way to the father, and who also happens to be the truth. Since this is the case, what ia truth?

God who gave Adam the wisdom, knowledge and power to identify things and persons by naming them is not stupid. Everyone and everything is identified by a name. If the truth you keep talking about is an entity, he or it, will have a name. Forget the religions of the world and tell me WHAT IS TRUTH?

There's something we must clear here. There's Truth every where you go. The Muslims have their version of truth, the Mystics have theirs, Core satanists believe they are the real custodians of the truth, New Agers, the Bhuddas you mentioned, believe they are the truth. Christians believes Jesus is the Truth.

Pls give a name to this truth of yours. If you leave it tagless, it may be deceitful, as you may be meaning something else entirely from what you say.


@Bolded. He is a father to all who seek him. But that Seeking must be consistent with the methods He had laid down. He says you go to Him through His Son Jesus. If you direct, you can't find Him. He won't break his rules because of you.

He is your Father if you disobey his rules. He takes his rules seriously, as even Him is bound by his own rules.

He is the God, the creator of all, but not the father of all.

Do you know what being ones Father means?

He becomes your father if you obey Him and do as He commands. He is not a father to the rebellious who insults him everyday by their acts. That's why when a Syro-phonecian woman asked Christ for healing for her child, Christ's response tells us that not everyone is a Son or daughter to God. If you are not His son, then He is not your Father.


Wow, this is some twisting of Scriptures.

And Philip said, 'Lord, Show us the Father..., and the Lord said, Philip, have i been this long with you yet you don't know me? Jn 14:8

Who then is this Father whom we shd pray to?

No man cometh to the Father, but by me, because i am that FATHER. IF YOU PASS ME, THERE'S NO ONE ELSE.

I AM IN THE FATHER AND THE FATHER IS IN ME. WE ARE ONE ENTITY.

What is this truth you are seeking for biko, that you don't need Jesus to do it?

Only Mystics boycott Jesus.

Before Jesus existed... the Truth has always been there... stop labelling truth with names...

Perhaps this was why God came down in flesh to help out confused souls who are hell bent on tagging the truth with a name...

If you insist God has a laid down method which is Jesus (I don't doubt this method anyways, cos it makes things way easier for me)... then why do you think God also considered judging these categories of people according to their works? Did these people also hear about Jesus in their lifetime here on earth?

12 And I saw the dead, both great and small stand before [x]God: and the [y]books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book [z]of life, and the dead were judged of those things, which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 [aa]And the sea gave up her dead, which were in her, and death and hell delivered up the dead, which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.


Read these verses slowly and tell us why these people would be judged according to their works while they face the great white throne judgement... unless you are also telling us John is a mystic as well...

OkCornel:

And why do you insist on giving God a name? Is He a God of the Jews and the Christians alone?

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Exodus:6:3

Going by the above verse, i believe YHWH told us His name, or at least what to identify Him by, by Himself.

I don't have the authority to insist on anything when it comes to Him

But, why do you insist on using a blanketted term (God) which can mean any deity tho?

See, bros, God is not a name, it is a title, hence, you can be talking about another deity but meaning another. This is what inoercieved when used the word 'Pretender' previously. If we are not hiding sonething, why not do as we are told? Why go by a blanket term?

YHWH wants His followers to know Him by that term Jehovah. I can't insist on anything if i didn't know that satan will want my worship if i don't indentify who am standing before.

Who is your God pls?

OkCornel:

You have limited your view of God through the lens of religion...

You think you can make me feel less of who i am or what i stand for by this your continuous use of the word religion to address me. God never gave anyone a religion. He calls all into a relationship. But here you are not evwn knowing who you are in a relationship with. Sir, that is religion.

OkCornel:

And yes, YHWH is one of the numerous names of God Almighty...so tell me, what exactly does it change?

What are the other numerous names of YHWH pls?

Pls tell me the other names then i can answer the second part of your question.

OkCornel:


If you tell us God has no religion, then does anyone need a religion to reach out to God? Did Adam have any religion to communicate with God?... or Enoch...or Abraham? or Job? or Jesus? Did these men have two heads on their neck?

You and only one have been talking about religion since this thread began. Who said anything about reaching God through religion?

Derailment, derailment, derailment. Guy, you are good.

Did this man just equated Enoch, Abraham and Job to Jesus? Really?

Guy come out and say it already, the lingering is taking too long.

OkCornel:

And why are you so obsessed with thinking anything outside the Christian definition of God automatically means Satan?

Guy, what i said is, if you don't identify what or who you are dealing with, you can be dealing with Satan who masquerades as God to earn your worship.
Why you refuse to addreas this is what marvels me.

Why do you insist on leaving what you worship nameless?

A demon in the details i guess.

Emmanystone:


And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Exodus:6:3

Going by the above verse, i believe YHWH told us His name, or at least what to identify Him by, by Himself.

I don't have the authority to insist on anything when it comes to Him

But, why do you insist on using a blanketted term (God) which can mean any deity tho?

See, bros, God is not a name, it is a title, hence, you can be talking about another deity but meaning another. This is what inoercieved when used the word 'Pretender' previously. If we are not hiding sonething, why not do as we are told? Why go by a blanket term?

YHWH wants His followers to know Him by that term Jehovah. I can't insist on anything if i didn't know that satan will want my worship if i don't indentify who am standing before.

Who is your God pls?

You think you can make me feel less of who i am or what i stand for by this your continuous use of the word religion to address me. God never gave anyone a religion. He calls all into a relationship. But here you are not evwn knowing who you are in a relationship with. Sir, that is religion.

What are the other numerous names of YHWH pls?

Pls tell me the other names then i can answer the second part of your question.


You and only one have been talking about religion since this thread began. Who said anything about reaching God through religion?

Derailment, derailment, derailment. Guy, you are good.

Did this man just equated Enoch, Abraham and Job to Jesus? Really?

Guy come out and say it already, the lingering is taking too long.

Guy, what i said is, if you don't identify what or who you are dealing with, you can be dealing with Satan who masquerades as God to earn your worship.
Why you refuse to addreas this is what marvels me.

Why do you insist on leaving what you worship nameless?

A demon in the details i guess.

It's very clear that you are real purpose is to misunderstand me and put me in a bad light...and God who sees your very heart will judge you for this...

Please mention where I equated whosoever to Jesus

Keep up with the lies and false assumptions. I was pointing your attention to the fact these men communicated directly with God!

When did all these now turn into equating them to Jesus? why all these lies and insincerity?

Emmanystone:


And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Exodus:6:3

Going by the above verse, i believe YHWH told us His name, or at least what to identify Him by, by Himself.

I don't have the authority to insist on anything when it comes to Him

But, why do you insist on using a blanketted term (God) which can mean any deity tho?

See, bros, God is not a name, it is a title, hence, you can be talking about another deity but meaning another. This is what inoercieved when used the word 'Pretender' previously. If we are not hiding sonething, why not do as we are told? Why go by a blanket term?

YHWH wants His followers to know Him by that term Jehovah. I can't insist on anything if i didn't know that satan will want my worship if i don't indentify who am standing before.

Who is your God pls?

You think you can make me feel less of who i am or what i stand for by this your continuous use of the word religion to address me. God never gave anyone a religion. He calls all into a relationship. But here you are not evwn knowing who you are in a relationship with. Sir, that is religion.

What are the other numerous names of YHWH pls?

Pls tell me the other names then i can answer the second part of your question.


You and only one have been talking about religion since this thread began. Who said anything about reaching God through religion?

Derailment, derailment, derailment. Guy, you are good.

Did this man just equated Enoch, Abraham and Job to Jesus? Really?

Guy come out and say it already, the lingering is taking too long.

Guy, what i said is, if you don't identify what or who you are dealing with, you can be dealing with Satan who masquerades as God to earn your worship.
Why you refuse to addreas this is what marvels me.

Why do you insist on leaving what you worship nameless?

A demon in the details i guess.

The part of your quote I bolded simply shows your unbelief in the words of Jesus...and yet you call yourself His follower;

1) Jesus has made it clear that you cannot ask the Father for bread and get stones in return...nor for fish and get a serpent instead.

2) If you truly have the Spirit of God working in you, why on earth will you fall to the trickery of Satan? Isn't the Spirit of God meant to guide you into all truth?

3) So tell me, even if the Devil stands before you ...and calls himself the Alpha & Omega...how will you really know that is the Devil?

Only God knows whose names are written in the book of life...and it is not your duty to take His place and judge what happens to people who knows next to nothing about Jesus...

You haven't gotten back to me on the scriptures I posted on Revelation 20 v 12-13, where God would judge every dead person resurrected after the millennial reign of Christ "according to their works"

OkCornel:

Jesus taught the disciples how to pray. Go through the Lord's prayer carefully and tell us where Jesus referred to any intermediary?Abi He was teaching His disciples to pray to Satan?

YHWH made Jesus the name above every other name, in Heaven, on earth or beneath the earth. Everything is done in that name.

The ignorant one here is you, who either doesn't know who Christ is or is delibrately trying to deny Him His divinity and authority.

Pls who is Jesus Christ to you.

OkCornel:

Don't display ignorance biko...
This is what happens when you idolize Jesus to the point you have little or no understanding of the things He lived and died for...

Wait., did you say 'idolizing Jesus? I don't idolize Him, i worship Him because He is the same Entity as YHWH.

OkCornel:

My dear, you are not to different from the Catholics who also pray to Mary and the Saints...

So you are telling us God is an Eternal Father of All no one can communicate with directly? So who did Adam, Enoch, Moses, Abraham, Job, David, Solomon and Elijah converse with? Satan?

Are you doing this deliberately or what? How many times have i posted Hebrews 1:1 for you.
Catholics worship Marry, i never saw Mary worshipped once in the Scriptures, but Christ? Over and over.

Here, for the last time before i ignore you.

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,[b]
Hebrews:1:1

[b]Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews:1:2

I may have to ignore you from here. I'm sorry.

OkCornel:


Simple questions for you...

Where did the Spirit in man come from? Is it not from God? When man dies, won't this Spirit go back to God being the original owner of it?

Is it not this same Spirit that convicts you on what is right or wrong? Even in the old testament, the book of Job mentioned something in Chapter 32 v 8; There is a Spirit in man, but the inspiration of the Almighty giveth understanding

A sinner is one who consistently chooses to disobey the word of God...and by this I mean instructions from the Spirit of God resident in him...

If you are Spiritually dead...you cannot even know right from wrong... without a Spirit...you are literally dead meat...

You mean human Conscience? Are you mistaking Human Conscience with the Holy Spirit?

So, the Ephesian 2: 1 i posted to you lied?
There's no need for me to keep posting you scriptures if you don't believe them.

Emmanystone:

YHWH made Jesus the name above every other name, in Heaven, on earth or beneath the earth. Everything is done in that name.

The ignorant one here is you, who either doesn't know who Christ is or is delibrately trying to deny Him His divinity and authority.

Pls who is Jesus Christ to you.



Wait., did you say 'idolizing Jesus? I don't idolize Him, i worship Him because He is the same Entity as YHWH.


Are you doing this deliberately or what? How many times have i posted Hebrews 1:1 for you.
Catholics worship Marry, i never saw Mary worshipped once in the Scriptures, but Christ? Over and over.

Here, for the last time before i ignore you.

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,[b]
Hebrews:1:1

[b]Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews:1:2

I may have to ignore you from here. I'm sorry.

Please mention where I have denied the divinity and authority of Jesus...

Who is Jesus to me? Have you not seen all I have posted about Him on this thread or on other threads for goodness sake? Why are you acting this way?

Oh...it's time to ignore me...now you don't have answers to the questions I asked? I am beginning to doubt if you really understand the Bible you read... especially going through our discussion where you have misinterpreted me time and again...

Emmanystone:

You mean human Conscience? Are you mistaking Human Conscience with the Holy Spirit?

So, the Ephesian 2: 1 i posted to you lied?
There's no need for me to keep posting you scriptures if you don't believe them.

And what is human conscience exactly? the voice of man?

Tell me...

Perhaps the writer of the quote below must be mistaken as well...

OkCornel:

Before Jesus existed... the Truth has always been there... stop labelling truth with names...

Before Jesus existed where?

John 1:1-5
In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God. From the very beginning the Word was with God.

Through him God made all things; not one thing in all creation was made without him.

The Word was the source of life, and this life brought light to people. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has never put it out.

John 1:10-11 The Word was in the world, and though God made the world through him, yet the world did not recognize him.

He came to his own country, but his own people did not receive him.

John 1:14 The Word became a human being and, full of grace and truth, lived among us. We saw his glory, the glory which he received as the Father's only Son.
JESUS IS THE WORD.

E clear you now?

OkCornel:

Perhaps this was why God came down in flesh to help out confused souls who are hell bent on tagging the truth with a name...

You are sooo confused.
When God came down in human flesh what was His name? Or wait, He didn't have a name. Buahahahahaha

OkCornel:

If you insist God has a laid down method which is Jesus (I don't doubt this method anyways, cos it makes things way easier for me)... then why do you think God also considered judging these categories of people according to their works? Did these people also hear about Jesus in their lifetime here on earth?

Which people?

OkCornel:

12 And I saw the dead, both great and small stand before [x]God: and the [y]books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book [z]of life, and the dead were judged of those things, which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 [aa]And the sea gave up her dead, which were in her, and death and hell delivered up the dead, which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Let me first get your understanding of these verses.

OkCornel:

Read these verses slowly and tell us why these people would be judged according to their works while they face the great white throne judgement... unless you are also telling us John is a mystic as well...

Wait, you expect that you'd steal and you won't be judged for it?

According your works is accroding to the sins you committed.

OkCornel:


It's very clear that you are real purpose is to misunderstand me and put me in a bad light...and God who sees your very heart will judge you for this...

Please mention where I equated whosoever to Jesus

Keep up with the lies and false assumptions. I was pointing your attention to the fact these men communicated directly with God!

When did all these now turn into equating them to Jesus? why all these lies and insincerity?

Who were those men and who was Jesus?

Do you even know that mentioning Jesus along side them is equating them to Him?

You even went further to call all of them, including Jesus 'Men', and asked if they had a different head on their necks.

You don't seem to realize what you type.

Jesus is not a man. He may have taken flesh in other to have blood to shed, it didn't make him man.

Ask the demons who always saw Him. What was their testimony?

Emmanystone:


Before Jesus existed where?

John 1:1-5
In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God. From the very beginning the Word was with God.

Through him God made all things; not one thing in all creation was made without him.

The Word was the source of life, and this life brought light to people. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has never put it out.

John 1:10-11 The Word was in the world, and though God made the world through him, yet the world did not recognize him.

He came to his own country, but his own people did not receive him.

John 1:14 The Word became a human being and, full of grace and truth, lived among us. We saw his glory, the glory which he received as the Father's only Son.
JESUS IS THE WORD.

E clear you now?

One simple question for you to clarify what I meant about the Truth (God) existing before Jesus came to be... can the Son exist before the Father?

Emmanystone:

You are sooo confused.
When God came down in human flesh what was His name? Or wait, He didn't have a name. Buahahahahaha

This would be another instance of you misquoting me. I thought a Christian like you would connect the dots when I mentioned God came down in flesh... apparently, I am dealing with someone who has exhibited little understanding so far... so where did I mention God in flesh never had a name?

Emmanystone:

Which people?

People who lived and died without knowing or even hearing about Jesus.

Emmanystone:

Let me first get your understanding of these verses.

Wait, you expect that you'd steal and you won't be judged for it?

According your works is accroding to the sins you committed.

John's words are as plain and straightforward in there. I have nothing to add in terms of interpretation.
And where did you get the understanding that works means "according to the sins you committed"?

Oh...so God will judge by the gravity of sin and decide who enters into Heaven or Hell? This is quite amusing I must say...

Emmanystone:

Who were those men and who was Jesus?

Do you even know that mentioning Jesus along side them is equating them to Him?

You even went further to call all of them, including Jesus 'Men', and asked if they had a different head on their necks.

You don't seem to realize what you type.

Jesus is not a man. He may have taken flesh in other to have blood to shed, it didn't make him man.

Ask the demons who always saw Him. What was their testimony?

I repeat again... you are the one equating these men with Jesus...not me.

I was pointing out the fact that these men communicated directly with God.
Didn't Jesus mention in the beatitudes that "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God?"

OkCornel:


I repeat again... you are the one equating these men with Jesus...not me.

I was pointing out the fact that these men communicated directly with God.
Didn't Jesus mention in the beatitudes that "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God?"

Stop twisting the scriptures biko. Dat na satan work.